Daily Kos

Corrections

Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:01:21 PM PDT

Man, this piece has so many factual mistakes I've got to correct them for the record, ASAP.

  1. I spoke to the Democratic Senate caucus at the JFK Center, not the LBJ room of the Capitol. I've never been inside the Capitol.

  2. I didn't talk to the senators about strategy, I walked them through what a blog was, and highlighted the role that the South Dakota conservative blogs had in the defeat of Daschle.

  3. I don't talk to Rahm every three weeks. In fact, I've never met him or talked to him. Ever.

  4. I don't talk regularly to Reid. Now his office has a blogger liason who I do speak (email) with regularly, so maybe that's what they were referring to.

  5. I've never, never, never made a recruitment call on behalf of the DCCC. I've spoken to just ONE congressional candidate this cycle, and it had nothing to do with the DCCC.

Wow. And that's just in the first four paragraphs. I wonder what source gave the author all this information, because it's beyond wrong, it's almost misinformation. I'll update as I read the rest of the piece.

Update: Okay, reading on it gets better from a factual standpoint. It looks like he depended on maybe one bad source for that info. Still, I didn't run any Latino group while in college. I was too busy running the school newspaper.

Update II: I don't want to make a big deal out of this, since the piece is generally fine and the intentions were good. This isn't a hit piece. If anything, the errors make me sound more impressive than I actually am. But the mistakes in those first four paragraphs build me up as someone ingrained in the party structure when things couldn't be further from the truth.

All I ask for is that they return my emails when I ask questions, just like any other reporter for any other traditional media outlet would expect. And for the most part, that's the case.

Update III: One last update, since I loathe being self-referrential. First a quick note:

“All he really wants is not to be president, or governor, or have statues built for him,” one of his friends told me, “but maybe to help run the DCCC, to help Democrats win, and to have been right.”

I don't know who this friend might be, but the last thing I want in the world is to "help run the DCCC". I do want to win and be right, though.

But more importantly is this notion that the site is somehow missing something because it is more focused on tactics than it is on policy. The author writes that winners in politics then have to govern. It's true.

But I'm not sure where the notion that Daily Kos had to singularly encapsulate the entire VLWC came from. Everyone has a role. I see Daily Kos as part of our noise machine, with tangents into organizing, fundraising, and even think tank wonkery (like the energy policy work organized by Jerome). But at the end of the day, this site won't replace the need for a network of think tanks to challenge CATO, Heritage, and the like. In fact, our book makes this very clear -- there is no single solution to the problems facing the party. The blogs (like this one) are a piece of the puzzle, but it's a big-ass puzzle with lots of parts.

So the fact that Daily Kos isn't particularly focused on policy isn't a bug, it's a feature. We can't single-handedly rescue the progressive movement. We are but a small part of a much broader whole.

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  •  but hey... (4.00 / 6)

    they got your name right. ;-)

    -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

    by snookybeh on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:01:09 PM PDT

  •  Take it as a compliment... (4.00 / 6)

    for now.

    But it has all the hallmarks of a disinformation piece.

    I wonder how long till Hannity or Limbaugh tries to push the story?

    •  I also notice... (none / 0)

      that they have a link to respond to the article at the top of the page.
      •  This was my reply. (none / 0)

        I believe you have many factual errors in this article.

            He spoke to the Democratic Senate caucus at the JFK Center, not the LBJ room of the Capitol. I've never been inside the Capitol.

            He didn't talk to the senators about strategy, He walked them through what a blog was, and highlighted the role that the South Dakota conservative blogs had in the defeat of Daschle.

            He didn't talk to Rahm every three weeks. In fact, he has never met him or talked to him. Ever.

            He does not talk regularly to Reid. Now Reid's office has a blogger liason who he does speak (email) with regularly, so maybe that's what they were referring to.

            He has never never, never, never made a recruitment call on behalf of the DCCC. He has spoken to just ONE congressional candidate this cycle, and it had nothing to do with the DCCC.

    •  Way too kind ... (none / 0)

      ... to the ignorant prick who wrote that article, Kos. Some people refuse to believe even as it comes to life before their eyes. We've got a mass movement abuilding here and Lord is it fun. Kevin came close with his talk of a "a partisan wrecking crew", Atrios nailed it.

      I'm actually hoping Sinclair pulls some more shit, can't wait to finish them off.
      .

  •  Did (4.00 / 6)

    Judith Miller write it?

    Visit RemoveRepublicans.com and follow every 2006 Senate race.

    by AnthonySF on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:03:23 PM PDT

  •  holy crap (none / 1)

    This sounds so bad, it oughta be actionable.

    Why dont some of these hacks seem to care at all about the quality of their work? Are they dimwits, or do they wanna just do as little work as possible for a paycheck? It's weird...

    Get over to the Green Mountain Daily! What are you still reading this sig for?

    by odum on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:03:41 PM PDT

  •  Kos (3.80 / 5)

    Were you really on the grassy knoll? I didn't think you were that old.

    Thrice is he armed who hath his quarrel just. Sherlock Holmes.

    by Carnacki on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:04:14 PM PDT

  •  They're worried... (none / 0)

    about you, and you're on their radar scope.

    I'd take it as a compliment as the previous poster said.

    •  MSM and SCLM (none / 0)

      I personally don't have a problem with MSM, as it is a relatively judgment neutral term for describing the Establishment Old Line Media -- okay, the Main Stream thing is qualitative judgment, and Markos' objection is correct -- if they are Main Stream, everyone else is out in left or right field.

      My Fitzmas wish and New Year's resolution is the same as last year's -- that we on the left stop snarking about the MSM and the Wingers, and just unload both barrels on them at every opportunity.

      I think Eric Alterman is great, but his SCLM (So-Called-Liberal-Media) construct is way too snarky for the war that is upon us; the so-called MSM is really the . . .

      LRWM -- the Lying Right Wing Media.

      We need to push back, and calling the media on their crap is vital, if we are ever going to restore the political equilibrium.

    •  The biggest blog blip (none / 0)

         The writer just doesn't get it: sometime back in April 2004 this place hit critical mass, and after that Kos didn't ever have to write anything here. In fact he wrote little while doing the Book. Things ticked right along. And the site is what Kos created and it's the site whats got their knickers so twisted they can't tell if the day of the week label goes inside or out.
          A frog? Boy that's some serious pushback from the beltway,,hahahaha. Beltway comedians,  sheesh!
          Oh, and thanks for everything Kos.

      Sen. McMeatwad (R) for pResident.

      by KenBee on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 02:11:02 PM PDT

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      •  Agree with that... (none / 0)

        Although I don't want to sell Kos short as he's really sharp and comes up with/compiles good framing ideas (not to mention is always really interesting to read), a lot of his role here is just in writing about already posted stories on the blog that he fines the most interesting and/or calling people to action.
  •  JFK, LBJ (none / 0)

    Both letters, both presidents............

    Seems factual enough <snark>

    "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - Cicero -6.75 -3.64

    by KOWALSKI on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:05:19 PM PDT

  •  big dude (4.00 / 2)

    "But Moulitsas, who is the world's biggest political blogger..."

    uh oh, time to start working out, Kos.

    I subscribe, and it's one of my favorite easy reading mags. Hate to see this.

  •  As it is said over at Atrios ... (4.00 / 3)

    Time to convene a blogger ethics panel, stat!
  •  Politics is like sports? (4.00 / 5)

    It seems, for them, that doing actual research is like making shit up.
  •  maybe someone should call Media Matters (none / 0)

    about this...

    Still you feed us lies from the tablecloth

    by Albee090 on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:07:10 PM PDT

  •  Hey, I've met Rahm... (none / 0)

    so I'm one up on you, Kos.  

    He was in Tampa a few weeks back to speak at a fundraising event for Phyllis Busansky (FL-9).  He was evasive, and then dismissive when asked why Dems couldn't speak as a united front in opposition to the Iraq War.  We told him that we were disappointed at the lack of leadership (up to that point) and expected more of our party.

    I'll check out the article, but hope they clarify the mix-ups.

    Carrie French, age 19, died in Iraq on June 5, 2005. Why?

    by Susan S on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:08:12 PM PDT

  •  good thing it's not written on a BLOG! (4.00 / 8)

    ...Because then we'd have to quickly convene a conference on blogger ethics.*  

    According to the traditional media (helping you spread that meme, Kos):

    1. Lousy reporting or bad information on blogs = the end of civilization

    2. Lousy reporting or bad information in traditional media = balance

    (* this bit stolen from Atrios, of course)

    JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

    by chumley on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:08:35 PM PDT

  •  I see you still hate Washington (4.00 / 2)

    With that attitude, somebody should put you on some list of, say 100 people who are bad for America!
  •  On second thought... (none / 0)

    as I read the article I'd sue the bastards for libel just for shits and giggles.
  •  Credible sources say (4.00 / 7)

    Kos was never in Cambodia during the summer of 1968.

         Toodles,

         The Swift Boat Veterans for Making Stuff Up.

  •  Who cares....cuz (none / 0)

    You are the KING OF ALL BLOGGERS

    Take a bow.

  •  Musta been your evil twin brother "koz" (4.00 / 2)

    The one your parents never told you about.

    The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now

    by sizzzzlerz on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:09:40 PM PDT

  •  JFK room (4.00 / 2)

    JFK.. LBJ... FDR... PBS, it's all the same to these guys.
  •  MSM (none / 0)

    "Mainstream" media = suckage.
    Daily Kos !
    suckage.

    Herein lies the difference, for the most part.

  •  how did you like this part? (none / 1)

    ...with a high-pitched voice and a rounded face that puts you vaguely in mind of an animated frog

    Can we start calling you "Kermie Kos"? Are you going to change the signature color to green?

    :-)

    "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" --Ralph Waldo Emerson (Hear that, George??)

    by still small voice on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:10:19 PM PDT

  •  Look on the bright side. (none / 0)

    You are now officially, "the world's biggest political blogger".

    Don't forget to change your business cards!

    Markos Moulitsas Zuniga
    aka "World's Biggest Political Blogger"
    1234 Liberal Lane
    Berkeley, CA 90000
    kos@worldsbiggestpoliticalblogger.com

  •  Kind Words. (Feh!) (none / 1)

    Most other bloggers think that Moulitsas is a fame hound, a loudmouthed nerd at the back of the room pulling ever more absurd stunts to get attention--What if I doctor the photo of Zell Miller, so it has fangs, and blood cascading from its mouth? What if I did it without wearing any pants?

    With several million blogs, how can anyone possibly make the statement "most other bloggers"?

    Yo, Kos: Do you personally do the photoshopping around here? I thought you posted other people's work...?

    "All he really wants is not to be president, or governor, or have statues built for him," one of his friends told me, "but maybe to help run the DCCC, to help Democrats win, and to have been right."

    Unattributed. By this point in the article, I wonder if it's a manufactured quote just to prove a point.

    --- "opendna is high and just makin' shit up outta nowhere." - greenskeeper

    by opendna on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:10:52 PM PDT

  •  Forgot to add (none / 0)

    Go to some of the wingnut sites...they get guest blogs from repub congressmen and senators...

    Is that bad too?  

  •  Heh, heh! (none / 1)

    They'll never get it, will they?
  •  The guy is a lousy writer too (4.00 / 5)

    I'm trying to figure out what a "nearly sub-articulate animus" is.

    Amazing that the guy has a job.

    Yes, there are still FEMINISTS on Daily Kos! Join the fabulous Supervixens every Thurs. night

    by hrh on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:12:16 PM PDT

  •  Animated Frog... lol (none / 1)

     

    Check out The Albany Project for the latest in NY state political news.

    by Team Slacker on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:13:36 PM PDT

  •  Going to the main page with Kevin Drum (none / 0)

    To quote from the Drumbeat:


    All political movements have both tacticians and theoreticians, so there's nothing odd that Kos is all about tactics and prefers to leave the ideology to others. But there's more to it than that. To a large extent, I think Kos is symbolic of nearly the entire political blogosphere, which tends to be far more a partisan wrecking crew than a genuine force for either progressive or conservative thought.

    I can't keep a diary up for more than 30 seconds anymore there because are so many people posting here. A wrecking crew? How about an explosion of voices? Gawd!

  •  Sounds like someone from Rahm's office (4.00 / 3)

    ... trying to ride your coattails.

    Heh-heh...

  •  Couple of other things (4.00 / 7)

    Not factwise necessarily, but misunderstanding daily kos I think.

    At least for 2005, while we may not have engaged in much in the way of traditional DC-style issue wonkery, we certainly stood up on some issues besides "winnerism."

    Honest to goodness issues:

    (1) Torture

    (2) The Supreme Court

    (3) Iraq

    (4) Corruption

    (5) Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich

    (6) The FEC Media Exemption

    (7) The Nuclear Option

    (8) Plamegate

    to name a few.

    Daily Kos is a partisan Dem blog. So that is our prism.

    But issue wonkery is pretty useless unless you can do something politically. It strikes me that, in many ways, the failure of magazines like the Washingto Monthly, American Prospect, et al to fully understand that has made them irrelevant in most ways.

    They are insider trade journals for the most part. And not particularly good ones.  

    Everybody dies alone.

    by Armando on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:17:01 PM PDT

  •  circular cycle (none / 0)

    discussion of the article, along with Kevin Drum commentary, over at www.washingtonmonthly.com
  •  RIght wing disinformation? (4.00 / 2)

    The author, Benjamin Wallace-Wells, is a Dartmouth Review alum, like Laura Ingraham and Dinesh d'Souza. Guess that's where the "he's not one of us" tone is from.

    - What happens on DailyKos, stays on Google.

    by Jon Meltzer on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:18:06 PM PDT

  •  what on earth does this mean (none / 0)

    And sometimes infantile and absurd. The site in recent months has become to seem like the site of some arcane political Thermidor with puzzled liberals being endlessly impaled upon pikes.

    and then he follows up this inanity with Kos's 2003 comment...

    what the

    its hard to drink all day unless you start in the morning

    by The Exalted on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:18:28 PM PDT

    •  Wait, is that a direct quote from the piece? (4.00 / 2)

      The site in recent months has become to seem like the site of some arcane political Thermidor with puzzled liberals being endlessly impaled upon pikes.

      Is that bolded part correct grammar and usage?

      I write everyday and that just sounds fucked up...

      •  no (4.00 / 2)

        You're right.  It's incorrect.

        And the guy is the fucking EDITOR!  Can you believe it??

        Yes, there are still FEMINISTS on Daily Kos! Join the fabulous Supervixens every Thurs. night

        by hrh on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:29:57 PM PDT

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      •  yup direct quote (none / 0)

        and i can't make heads or tails of it

        and i can't see what relevance this so-called phenomenon has to comments by kos from 2 years ago

        the bolded part looks awful in print, but i think conversationally it kind of makes sense...kind of

        its hard to drink all day unless you start in the morning

        by The Exalted on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:31:43 PM PDT

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        •  should be either (none / 1)

          "has come to seem like"
          or "has become like".

          Yes, there are still FEMINISTS on Daily Kos! Join the fabulous Supervixens every Thurs. night

          by hrh on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:36:04 PM PDT

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          •  yes but (none / 1)

            what does it mean?

            i found this for thermidor:

            (thûr´mdôr, Fr. trmdôr´) (KEY) , 11th month of the French Revolutionary calendar. The coup of 9 Thermidor (July 27, 1794) marked the downfall of Robespierre and the end of the Reign of Terror. The men who came into power were members of the old bourgeoisie and the newly rich who had profited from speculation and inflation. Extravagance in dress and manner prevailed. The Jacobins were suppressed, but the royalists did not gain power. The Thermidorians removed economic controls, thus unleashing inflation, and established some freedom of worship. The principal figures in the so-called Thermidorian reaction included Barras and Tallien. The period ended with the establishment of the Directory (1795).

            I don't get it -- is Kos a pre-revolutionary element? Was there a successful liberal revolution of some kind and now Kos is the reactionary force impaling them? And how would this phenomenon be "arcane", when the piece has gone to great lengths to establish Daily Kos as the world's pre-eminent political blog? And why does it use the label "political" before thermidor, when the original thermidor was already explicitly political? Its like referring to a "literary" book.

            This writer is a piece of work.

            This author

            its hard to drink all day unless you start in the morning

            by The Exalted on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:47:51 PM PDT

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          •  I think he meant (none / 1)

            begun to seem...

            That would make sense with only the change of that one word.

  •  anti-war, deeply partisan, young, *mostly white* (none / 0)

    So? Isn't America mostly white (not for long)? Isn't Washington mostly white? Why do people always classify the political blogging world as white? Makes me feel like I don't belong. I hate that shit.

    I just don't see how it really matters, how it is integral to the story...maybe someone can explain. I do have to finish reading it.

    i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

    by missreporter on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:18:42 PM PDT

    •  I'm so embarrassed to be a 'partisan' (4.00 / 2)

      Especially in this day and age.

      Oh, and...

      REPUBLICANS SUCK.

      Sorry about that.

    •  It does matter (none / 0)

      "Why do people always classify the political blogging world as white?"

      ______

      Maybe because it is.
      I'm an Indian-American myself.

      And it does matter.
      For example, African-Americans are the most loyal group in the Democratic Party.  But I don't see too much of that perspective.

      Not a criticism, just a fact.

      Barack Obama for President '08

      by v2aggie2 on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:29:52 PM PDT

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      •  I'm just saying (none / 1)

        that in my meanderings here I see a lot of diversity - not just racial - but reading articles about the blog, you get the image of a bunch of 30-year-old white guys wearing tortoise-shell glasses and sipping on chai or cappuccino.

        Don't get me wrong, I love all those things - 30-year-old white guys wearing tortoise-shell glasses, chai and cappuccino. However, I think these descriptions do not do justice to the whole that all of us make up.

        Also, as a "minority," when I read these types of descriptions, I tend to think - rather, feel - that I am not part of the intended audience. That may not be literal or logical, but it pushes that emotional button. For me. I came to Daily Kos as a result of Matthew Klam's NYT mag article on bloggers at the conventions. Nowhere in that piece did he describe Kos's audience as white or mostly white, nor any of the other blogs. I think if I had read that description I most likely would have stayed away. Thank God for that article. I should also add that the "white male" description has that same effect, on me, at least, as a female.

        That's all I'm saying. My own personal thing.

        i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

        by missreporter on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:52:39 PM PDT

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    •  uh i will check demographics in the interim (none / 0)

      but DC is mostly black if not then its mostly "minority" (Central/South Americans + African American). Im sure like Georgetown is mostly white but not DC...

      the author of the piece seems 100% stupid for sure

      im 36 (is that young), white and not partisan - just looking for a modicum of fucking honesty from our leaders whether they are Green, Dem, or Repub....

      were all orange here tho :)

      "Sometimes it's like his record skips or like some coke-dusted and liquor-glazed synapse is unable to fire and he's just stuck" RudePundit

      by christhughes on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:39:45 PM PDT

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  •  Kos, I hardly knew you (4.00 / 3)

    I having been reading Daily Kos for over two years. At least I thought I was reading Daily Kos. The blog that this piece talks about is very different. Mean? No interest in policy? Sure Kerry was going to win. (Is that why so many of of Kos people spent election day 2004 driving people to the polls? If we were sure he was going to win we would have relaxed at home.)

    Maybe I have been going to the wrong site.

    Keep your eyes on the prize.

    by Better Days on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:20:59 PM PDT

  •  All and all (none / 0)

    It reads as a compliment (but don't let it go to your head).
  •  getting the details right (4.00 / 2)

    journalists don't get paid any more money if they get the details right and newspapers don't sell any more newspapers if that happens.
  •  Come visit sometime (none / 0)

    Even as a DC outsider, you ought to at least get a Capitol tour the next time you are in town. I'd be happy to arrange one.  It's a remarkable building, and hopefully will become more central to our democracy starting around November 2006.  
  •  LOL @ "an animated frog" n/t (none / 0)

    i think they're attacking me cause i'm awesome. how's that??

    by missreporter on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:22:57 PM PDT

  •  Kos... (none / 0)

    I do think you're giving them too much credit.  This is clearly a piece written to discredit you or to make you seem like an insider.

    What is more it is written to make it seem as though you are somehow influening Harry Reid--and I do give you credit for some things but telling Harry Reid what to do is not one of them.

    At least that's what I got out of it.  I admit I stopped reading when they glossed over your military service.

  •  I object! (4.00 / 5)

    I have a problem with this part:

    They don't believe strongly, as successive generations of progressives have, that the Democratic Party must develop more government programs to help the poor, or that racial and ethnic minorities are wildly underrepresented, or that the party is in need of a fundamental reform towards the pragmatic center--or at least they don't believe so in any kind of consistent or organized manner.

    If anything Kosacks are hell bent in doing all these things and more...or did I just skip that page of the handbook. Can't very well sign the loyalty oath/honor code page at the end of the document if I'm getting details like these wrong, now can I?

    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Seneca

    by Ralfast on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:23:43 PM PDT

  •  argh (none / 1)

    you're ingrained in the party structure.

    we all are.

    I want Lamont to win, but I won't cry when he doesn't.

    by BiminiCat on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:25:44 PM PDT

  •  What I want to know (none / 0)

    is when were you at NIU? And was it the same time I was there (1992)?

    In general, I thought the piece was ok -- and it really outed the Monthly for me as a DLC kinda place. No wonder they don't like you over there...

    •  normally... (none / 0)

      the Monthly is a pretty good read, I subscribed for a while. It always seemed reasonably liberal to me, sort of in the American Prospect school of liberalism.

      this story may likely be an anomaly.

      -8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott

      by snookybeh on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:50:44 PM PDT

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  •  This is fascinating to me (4.00 / 5)

    on a number of levels.

    They want to peg you as both an influential insider, and as an iconoclastic outsider. Sort of what we see on a regular basis on the blog, too, you damned Vichy Dem, you.

    But there's also the persistent "not-getting-it," this idea that the Internet is still limited to young, white, Silicon-valley type professionals. That the readers and posters here are all politically inexperienced twenty- and thirty-something sons and daughters of baby-boomers. Too bad he didn't talk to some of your more prominent guest bloggers, say Meteor Blades?

    I know that this perception exists within the Party hierarchy as well. They view us with a great deal of suspicion. We're a flash in the pan, soon to go the way of the dot-com bubble. But in the meantime, we make a handy ATM.

    I guess we've got a lot of work to do for '06, huh?

    "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

    by mcjoan on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:32:39 PM PDT

    •  Hit piece (none / 1)

      Wallace-Wells is not just trying to peg Markos as "an influential insider, and as an iconoclastic outsider" but to sow suspicion in people here about Markos' motives (i.e., re buying a house, gaining political power). But really, he does so not get it, because to me Markos is irrelevant, and I suspect to many others as well.

      Much as I appreciate that he's set up and maintains this site, what he writes is just about the last reason I'd offer for coming here. In fact, DailyKos is a paean to competition: 70,000+ individuals competing to express their ideas, and to post the latest news first, with the most insightful analysis. Social darwinism to warm the coldest Repub heart. Fact-checking rigorous beyond the wildest dreams of any newsroom.

      Take that, Repubs and MSM/Old Media.

  •  Demographics seem off (4.00 / 4)

    Every time I've seen a diary do a survey of readers -- and yes, they are probably self-selected diary readers as opposed to just site readers -- I've been amazed at how OLD everyone is. Or at least how much older the demographic has seemed than I'd assumed when I got here.

    I seem to remember that boomers are the single-most represented age group here. Am I misremembering?

    I'm wondering where the young/white/professional characterization came from. Is it based on a study? A survey?

  •  Markos Moulitsas Zuniga (none / 0)

    "...well incorporated into the party machinery..."
    --Benjamin Wallace-Wells

    True?

  •  Wait (none / 1)

    You mean Rush Limbaugh was wrong when he said DailyKos ran the Democratic Party?

    :D

    ;)

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:39:35 PM PDT

  •  The Important Question (4.00 / 3)

    C'mon Kos, you have to answer the most serious charge in the article -- do you ever blink?
  •  Jeezus, dude... (none / 0)

    Were you really a Reagan Republican in the 80s??
  •  This article doesn't impress me at all (none / 1)

    Did you see the poll on age groups here at dkos some months ago?  The poll (I don't have a link) showed demographics that shoot down the article's claims that this is primarily a young, liberal, white professional audience.  The poll I saw here, though I understand it's not scientific, indicated something radically different.

    That's a big mistake, IMHO.  They don't even understand how broad the base is here at dkos.  They invoke Berkeley, several times, and that's when my disinformation meter spiked.

    Actually, when I think about it -- fine with me.  Means they'll never know what hit them.

    This piece smells.  

    "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

    by joanneleon on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:46:06 PM PDT

  •  consider it a compliment (4.00 / 2)

    'America's number one liberal blogger'

    Wow - quite a compliment!

    Was it not just last week that some moron MSM reporter
    was writing that the right-wing blogs are more effective than the left?

    Apparently the right wing doesn't think so.

    Remember Kos....

    "First they ignore you,
    then they laugh at you,
    then they fight you,
    then you win."
    - Mahatma Gandhi

    They aint laughing anymore, you must be at stage three then :-)

    keep it up!

  •  Additional corrections, Kos. (4.00 / 3)

     You left these out.  Surprisingly.  Let's set the record straight, completely straight, how 'bout it:

     >  BenGoshi is not no. 3 on your speed-dail, "just below and Scott McClellen and Jennifer Lopez."  What a bunch of shash.  I am no. 5, below Scotty, JLo, Brit Hume and "Tuck" (a bookie in Queens).

     >  Kos and I did not "sell out Daschle to Thune's 'people' because we were looking at 'the bigger picture."  That's frigging libel.  We sold out Daschle out of pure spite.  It's politics, baby, and it's rough.

     >  Kos has not "been seen frequenting a 'certain nightspot' in Adams Morgan with the Bush Twins."  Sheesh, on how many levels is this wrong?!  Kos is a happily and faithfully married man.  That's been me and it was just with Not Jenna.  And it's a little Thai restaurant just off DuPont Circle.  Duh!

     >  Kos, Gov Dean and I do not do "Power Steams".  Anymore.  Not since we all learned that Bush, Karl, Rev. Moon and Ralph Reed steam together and frequently get into giggling towel-flicking fights.  We now relax and brainstorm by doing weekend Mahjong marathons, comparing newly-discovered bouillabaisse recipes and watching Australian rules football on Kos' way-cool 140" plasma t.v.  And PBR.  Lots of PBR.

     O.K.  I think that gets it all.  Why don't they  fact-check these things before printing them???

     BenGoshi
    __________________

     

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:48:54 PM PDT

  •  Criticism (4.00 / 2)

    The worst thing I saw in the article is the notion that if dKos isn't the answer to our partisan prayers, then think tanks are.

    Folks, I interned at a think tank (Center for American Progress), and I recently graduated from college. The work at the think tank was interesting, definitely no regrets about that, but I didn't see any "new idea" there that compared, even in the slightest, with the formal academic literature that I was reading at university. Think tanks aren't for new ideas; they're for winning. They're for bringing out the best of academia, sculpting it into a PR message and strategy, and getting out on the street with it.

    The non-partisan scholars in academia are already on our side, not because they're the liberal drones of the right wing imagination, but because we're right about how the world works and those scholars investigate how the world works. Don't look to the think tanks for our big ideas--they're the ones who should be looking outside the beltway.

    And I think it's a conceit of the liberal Washington community, not the luggards of the DLC, but the smart ones of the opinion magazines, that Washington politics need only look at Washington. They attend these think tank events, where pre-fab scholars moot arguments dating from the Carter administration, and haven't cracked an academic journal since Harvard graduation.

    "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

    by Marshall on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 01:50:33 PM PDT

    •  When you look at the influence (none / 1)

      that the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute have had on public policy over the past 30 years, I believe that balancing that influence is important.

      For example, on an issue like national health care, we need credible policy analysis and spokespeople who will present it in the media. That's where think tanks like the Center for American Progress come in handy.  

      The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

      by devtob on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 02:17:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree (none / 0)

        I agree with what you say. But I don't like the credit that liberal Washington types give to what goes on in think tanks, maybe because they anticipate a fellowship there for themselves one day. Let me put it this way: this "muckraking" project by Josh Marshall and TPM is a much, much more important development for the Democratic community than the aggregate of think tank output. My only hesitation in saying that is the think tanks' respect-worthy opposition to Social Security destruction, which did drive the debate. But the important research they used was from themselves, it was from either the academic community or the Social Security administration itself.

        Social Security, like many other traditional Democratic ideas, is a very, very good idea. We don't need an army of sinecurists at think tanks to tell us that because we already know, and we also know there are other good ideas, like universal healthcare, not yet implemented. We need those think tanks to drive the debate like they did on SS, but we don't need them to determine the debate.

        "We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality."

        by Marshall on Thu Dec 22, 2005 at 02:22:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  "World's Biggest Political Blogger" (none / 0)

    You don't look that big, judging from your picture, Markos.
  •  Fuck the article I would still buy you a beer (none / 0)

    Since its Christmas a coquito. Yes TexasLiberal is  Puerto Rican.

    I enjoy the hell out of this site.

  •  WM forgot to mention your plot