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Jeff Gannon aka Jim Guckert, and gay smut

by kos

Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:47:46 PM PDT

Oh man, reality is truly stranger than fiction.

"Jeff Gannon", the White House press propagandist "correspondent" for the fake "Talon" news service, turns out to be using a nom de plume.

A group of dKos diarists have been peeling away the layers of Gannon's fake persona, summarized by World O'Crap. In one of those diaries, this revelation is made by Radically Bitter: Among the domains owned by Gannon/Guckert are these:

jeffgannon.com
Hotmilitarystud.com
Militaryescorts.com
Militaryescortsm4m.com
In case this isn't clear enough, those last three are gay sex-themed names. Suddenly, his picture looks appropriately in character.

So why is this relevant, other than today seems to have become "Republicans and sex hypocrisy day"?

In reviewing White House press conferences from the past year, Media Matters for America has noted numerous instances in which Gannon's lobs -- leading questions that often include false assumptions favorable to the Bush administration -- have allowed McClellan to move to friendlier turf, away from having to answer questions on such issues as the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment; [...]
So in addition to the "hyprocrisy and sex" thing, we've got the "hypocrisy and gay" thing.

And no, this wasn't planned. It's not my fault the other side unloaded so much hypocrisy in a single day.

(In a sign of how I've lost complete control over this site, I note, with great irony, that I found out about the domain thing from Atrios.)

Update: There is some concern that focus on the more salacious details of Gannon's hypocrisy detracts from more substantive discussions and investigations currently going on by various diariests.

In a way, that may be true. Gannon is a propagandist, funded by god knows who, who essentially provide McClellan a lifeline whenever the White House press corps backs him into a corner.

I, along with most liberals, couldn't care less if one of our colleagues or employees is gay. That's a problem with right wingers, not our side.

So say Guckert's outing costs him his gravy train at Talon "News", and he is replaced by someone else, would that kill the issue?

I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Personally, I think it would add fire to the crusade if they cut him loose. And it's not as if the "propaganda" angle is tied to Guckert. That one belongs to Talon News, independent of which sycophant they have infesting the White House press room every day.

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  •  Just did a little digging (none / 0)

    Came across an obit with a son James and a daughter Karen. And a Karen Guckert was killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq.

    I know that's too little info, but for those who can search better, please do. I'm, uh, at work.

    Today's Special: Chickenhawk, slow-baked in its mother's basement.

    by Earl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:43:42 PM PDT

  •  Another possibility (4.00 / 2)

    Could the gay sites be an attempt to identify closeted military people? Could the intend have been blackmail?

    And another question - for Guckert to have advanced, he likely had a high up sponsor, also closeted -- this could get interesting...

    by seanflynn on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:45:38 PM PDT

  •  SETI (4.00 / 5)

    In a sign of how I've lost complete control over this site, I note, with great irony, that I found out about the domain thing from Atrios

    Distributed processing is a wonderful thing.

    Visit my damn blog: Dohiyi Mir

    by NTodd on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:45:48 PM PDT

    •  control vs. leadership (4.00 / 5)

      Kos, there is being in control and then there is being a role model.  The Gannongate explosion is done by hard-working readers emulating you... you are more in control than ever.

      Just not that kind of control.

      by emptypockets on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:15 PM PDT

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    •  it sure is wonderful (4.00 / 6)

      the more self-sufficient e-activists we have, the more work like this will get done. And this is just one of a long string of similar projects, like the Sinclair Boycott, Buy Blue, and the Ohio voting problems.

      by kos on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:53:58 PM PDT

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      •  Cuts both ways (none / 0)

        The wingers are doing the same to Eason Jordan, it appears.

        Visit my damn blog: Dohiyi Mir

        by NTodd on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:57:46 PM PDT

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      •  kos... (none / 0)

        I have a question re web site construction.  If you would, please e-mail me.  Address is under my name.

        Thanks,
        NYBri

        Kleeb ~ Powers

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:58:44 PM PDT

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      •  You gave us the space and the room (4.00 / 35)

        This couldn't have happened without you.

        AND ... there's a lot more to come. I'm going to let the feeding frenzy over the sex pics to die down so we can get back to focusing on the main question:

        What was this guy doing with secret, classified information in his interview with Joe Wilson?

        by SusanG on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:01:21 PM PDT

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        •  Susan G: (4.00 / 4)

          Many congratulations to the project you founded re: Jeff Gannon.

          Must say, I kind of hate to see it go off in this direction as that does diminish all the work you and y'all have done.

          I'm more saddened to see this front page post than anything else.

          Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

          by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:20:49 PM PDT

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          •  Wonderful work, Susan G. (4.00 / 3)

            And gilas girl, it is sad. But what would you do with it? And I almost hate to raise this cheap old question, but: what would THEY do with it were the positions reversed? Do think of Karl Rove when feeling super fastidious. That's what I do. Remember all his vileness.

            It will be interesting to see who else picks this up and where it goes.

            by jane 2000 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:33:54 PM PDT

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          •  Here's the real shits ... (4.00 / 16)

            I have the best, most-researched diary of the whole series right now on hold.

            It is absolutely the most important one so far, for a couple of reasons.

            But ... there's no sex in it. It focuses on the Plame leak/Gannon angle.

            And I'm going to have to hold it back until this frenzy dies down.

            by SusanG on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:54:27 PM PDT

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            •  I am excited to see the next installment (4.00 / 3)

              Susan, you and your group have kept me up every night for over a week now. I look for those Roman Numerals every chance I get. XVI now?
              Your diary is a lot better than a mystery novel I can not put down. A 4 and a 5 Stars to you!

              I'm voting for the Democrat! End of story!

              by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:09:46 PM PDT

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              •  susan (none / 0)

                post the new one NOW!  gannon could have dual front page billing with all angles of the story.  that way, the very serious questions of a blatant admin shill with no qualifications being granted cushy press access will not be dwarfed by the rest.

                "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

                by Cedwyn on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:28:00 PM PDT

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            •  Please release it (none / 1)

              I've been following the REAL story and want to know more.

              Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. H.L. Mencken

              by Seoduwyn on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:10:52 PM PDT

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            •  can't wait to read it (none / 1)

              still think LondonYank and NYBri are on the right tracks. If there were federal dollars spent on the influence projects of Eberle and company that is the goal.

              Let me know what I can do. My mornings are yours and Liberalpalooza's.

              What Would Shirley Chisholm Do?

              by ricardo4 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:12:38 PM PDT

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            •  that's way more interesting to me (none / 0)

              Don't hold it back too long, I await it eagerly.

              by Elizabeth D on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:29:13 PM PDT

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            •  My advice: (4.00 / 8)

              Hold it until tomorrow morning, publish it first thing in the A.M..  It'll sit in the recommended diaries all day, absolutely everyone will see it.  Sorry everyone, but you can wait.  We need to maximize the impact on this stuff.

              So that'll give time for this part of the story to percolate a bit.  Then come back with the nasty connection to Plame, now that even more people are paying attention.  And as should be obvious from Atrios, Kos, Salon, Kurtz, etc., etc., etc., you've got people's attention.

              An aside: I'll fully agree parts of this thread are treading the line of good taste, but I will chalk that up to everyone temporarily being shocked out of their gourds that, yet again, a hard-right conservative wingnut turns out to be a complete, unabashed hypocrite.  A gay man fighting against gay rights.  A "Christian" peddling pornography.  A "journalist" who freakin' posts pictures of himself in his underwear on the Internet.  Like it or not, that's gonna be news.  Now use the publicity to push the bigger Plame story even farther into the public eye.

              by Hunter on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:32:30 PM PDT

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            •  You're right. (none / 0)

              I agree about holding off for a few days.  As exciting as the discovery of Gannon's identity is, the other stuff is much more important.  Not just the Plame stuff, but some of the other stuff that has yet to be published too.

              Wait, let this die down then put out the next section.  Then wait and put out the next section.

              Too much info at once will just get lost.  

              Florida Redistricting Petition - Don't let Florida be Delayed

              by Liberalpalooza on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:38:14 PM PDT

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            •  Susan, are you (4.00 / 2)

              an investigative reporter?  You should be.  Fantastic work.

              "There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi

              by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:50:26 PM PDT

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            •  Don't wait too long... (4.00 / 5)

              You're right, the titillating stuff is a distraction.  But it's also mildly radioactive for the right.  Suddenly they're wanting to get distance--and while they're all scurrying to do that, they're not covering him.

              Remember, scandal--and smut--sells.  This is an angle that the SCLM will adore; they can present the hypocrisy of "Gannon" and the hypocrisy of those who've cuddled up with him as a package that... well... "bleeds".  It'll sell.

              The deeper, more substantial stuff is important.  Really important.  But don't lose track of the fact that with the serious stuff goes this tawdry stuff.  Ridiculous as it is, it's significant to the "values" folks.  This is incredibly corrosive to their sense that the neocons and their sympathizers are their allies.  Remember what they played for the Cilnton impeachment?  It was a few mildly substantial issues (that didn't justify impeachment) plus a huge dose of sex scandal to justify the outrage and shock (oh, the shock, I tell you!).

              A winger friend is proof.  She's recoiling at what I've sent on to her.  "Why am I responsible for all the nutjobs in the GOP?" is the theme of her scrambling.  The answer is because they're not isolated lunatics that have been identified and disowned (say, like LaRouche).  These nutjobs are the guys that the White House and Frist and others are snuggling up with to plot how to bury dirty laundry.

              Yes, in the grand scheme, the sex scandal is trivia and a distraction. But it's a really dangerous wedge issue for the loonies of the right.  'Half' of them don't give a tinker's dam,  none of this really matters to them.  They'd happily look the other way (and have been).  But they pander to the 'half' that does care.  And as the latter half finds out what kind of company the first half keeps, it's demoralizing for them.  They don't want to keep that kind of company...

              I see it as being sort of like the freeze-thaw cycle breaking down rock.  This kind of stuff has an effect.  We don't see it or expect it, because we find it inconsequential.  But it's hard to wrap yourself in Leviticus and self-righteousness when you're associated with people running porn sites that are trying to offer hot young military guys to gays.  The cognitive dissonance is simply extreme.

              We need not think alike to love alike -- Ferenc Dávid

              by ogre on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:33:23 PM PDT

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              •  The republic you got (none / 1)

                I agree with ogre  - you got to go with the republic you got, and try to move it toward the democracy you want. If the sex crap will get public attention to the fact that this crowd at the wheel now is perverse, fine and dandy I say. Now my concern about a particular "perversity" is my own - though I know many kossacks share it. I think the perversion of the English language that is willfully practiced by the current Washington elite, in the service of a growing tyranny of thought over America and the world, is the main game. But if pictures of guys in there underwear will get attention on the issue of the general, corrosive perversity of this crowd, fine and dandy.

                The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings. -- Julius Caesar, I.ii.

                by semiot on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:47:44 PM PDT

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                •  "The sex crap" (none / 1)

                  was what nearly got Clinton impeached...

                  ...it can be powerful.

                  But it's the "escort service" angle, not the gay one, that we should stress - lest we appear homophobic which I believe the vast majority of us here are decidedly NOT!

                  "There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." - Gandhi

                  by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:58:57 PM PDT

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                  •  I think you meant to say the PIMP angle. (none / 1)

                    Escort service is too nice.  Our White House shill appears to be a pimp.

                    Mommy, what's a pimp? Are all Republicans pimps?

                    by tritium on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:11:33 PM PDT

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                    •  say that as much as possible (none / 0)

                      PIMP PIMP PIMP PIMP PIMP

                      If you're tempted to say anything about the sex aspect.  It isn't about the gay.  It's about the pimp.  (For one reason, it brings to mind the fact that SOMEBODY was pimping HIM out as a "reporter" known as "Jeff Gannon.")

                      Pimp!

                      Also, keep your eyes on the prize, this isn't over, who leaked to him, who pays for GOPUSA, who vetted him, etc.

                      "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." --Dan Quayle

                      by jakester on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 12:22:23 AM PDT

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            •  Very wise (none / 0)

              A wise woman you are.  We need those on our side, never enough of 'em.

              Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

              by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:08:10 PM PDT

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        •  Way to Go, Susan (4.00 / 2)

          And way to stay on topic: now that we know who this guy is, we need to find out how he's done what he's done:

          1) getting into White House Press Conferences
          2) getting hold of a secret memo before interviewing Joe Wilson

          Luckily, we have loads of kossacks working on those issues as we speak. I'd encourage all those new to the story to check out SusanG's diaries on the topic. There's plenty of work to be done before we're finished with this sexy, sexy pseudo-journalist!

          This post kills fascists.

          by baltimoretim on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:56:33 PM PDT

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        •  I totally agree SusanG (none / 1)

          I have to congratulate you and the other people investigating and putting so much time into this.

          But let's not forget the first reason this investigation was started. The leak of a classified document identifying a CIA operative and endangering her life and possibly any op that was connected with her in any way.

          The gay part of all this is quite compelling given the hypocracy of it all but how he got access to that memo is extremely important.

          CyberNews4You

          by canuk1 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:36:27 PM PDT

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      •  Clearly, (4.00 / 3)

        you have created a monster, a wonderful monster without doubt, but a monster all the same.  

        It is always a nice thing to recognize that one's life has significance beyond the usual horizon.  

        Guess what. Kossacks continue to be very rude. I am for Obama, but I'm not a Kossack.

        by DCDemocrat on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:14:21 PM PDT

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      •  I was wondering Kos (none / 1)

        when you would take notice of this.  And i was curious, as well as others I'm sure, what your take on it was.  Good to know you approve.  Seems like every blog who mentions the story has a link back here a gives credit to the Kos community who have done most of the heavy lifting.

        When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade.... Seriously make some lemonade - it'll clear that shit up right away.

        by Edanger6 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:54:05 PM PDT

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    •  What if he and Sully got married? (none / 0)

      Can you imagine what their children would be like?  Ugh.

      --- Read Dear Leader's Daily Thought

      by grytpype on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:16:59 PM PDT

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  •  Book 'em, Danno. (none / 1)

    Looks like we got our guy.

    Wars not make one great. - Yoda

    by Volvo Liberal on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:46:29 PM PDT

  •  TeamBlogosphere 1, TeamBushCo/Gannon/Guckert 0 (3.75 / 4)

    It's exactly this sort of thing that is what makes the blogosphere something new.  It's not just an easy way to publish, not just a community, it's -- to steal and twist Rush Limbaugh's phrase -- a "BS detector."  With all of us out here using our awesome Googling skillz, it's much harder to pull the wool over people's eyes...

    by GregP on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:46:57 PM PDT

    •  Gannon/McClellan have scored, but no more (none / 1)

      Team Gannon/McClellan have scored many points, all the while we didn't know about them. When the pitcher and batter are working together, with lobbed softballs, they can hit a lot of home runs together. Now that we know what's up, we will shut this propaganda factory down.

      Investigate War Lies --> Evidence for Senate Conviction --> End the War. Got it?

      by bejammin075 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:54:59 PM PDT

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  •  I'm a gay man living in Virginia (4.00 / 8)

    where they're on the way to moving an anti-marriage amendment into the state constitution, and even I can't believe this shit.

    Kos is right:  you just can't make this stuff up.

    Does anyone think that anyone in the WH press corps will actually follow up and file stories, wondering how this guy got credentials?

    UM, lemme think. . . .  

    NOT!

    We are not "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

    by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:46:59 PM PDT

    •  With wonkette on the story, (none / 0)

      it will be hard for the Washington press corps to ignore it.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:04 PM PDT

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    •  But tonight Wolfie and Howie said -- (none / 0)

      that's it's wrong for leftie bloggers to look into the personal lives of journalists.

      Issue 1:  What if a journalist has no professional life to look into so "personal" is the only life to check out?

      Issue 2: Have Wolfie and Howie been lounging around AOL in their tightie-whities or something?  Enquiring minds want to know!

      (PS - The personal lives of politicians of COURSE are in bounds, not out of bounds.  Y'know.  Cigar preferences and stuff.)

      "The key to security is public information." -- Margaret Chase Smith

      by Drawn4Quarters on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 07:45:20 PM PDT

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  •  Welcome, kos.... (4.00 / 4)

    Jump on in.  The water's find.

    Actually the issue is very large.  I take a stab at it Here.  As a matter of fact, this is my WHY I am involved in this undertaking, if anyone would like to take a look.

    NYBri

    Kleeb ~ Powers

    by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:47:01 PM PDT

    •  NYBri (none / 0)

      thanks for that thoughtful assessment. I'd missed it earlier, and glad to read it now.

      True journalism: truth, justice, and the American way, not just a cliche any more.

      The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

      by Mnemosyne on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:08:07 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for reading, mnemosyne... (none / 0)

        this ahs been quite a ride, yes?  I hope you're on for the duration...?

        Kleeb ~ Powers

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:27:10 PM PDT

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        •  Holding on to my hat, (none / 0)

          clinging desperately to the rail as the good ship dKos comes about, trims all sails, and beats into the wind of the gathering storm. And other assorted cliches.

          I'm not as sophisticated in researching such technical things as web sites, which so many others do brilliantly. But, yeah, give me a phone and a Rolodex and I can have a pretty good time.

          The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips

          by Mnemosyne on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:10:15 PM PDT

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  •  Deja Vu All Over Again (none / 0)

    So did you click on Atrios' link to the domain names and say "Waitaminnit, I've been here before..."?

    Dump Bush!

    by dave on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:47:48 PM PDT

  •  That AOL picture (none / 0)

    And the AOL profile picture is at the absolute limit of AOL's tolerance for suggestive photographs. I'm sort of surprised it hasn't been removed due to complaints about its salaciousness.

    "Don't screw with me, I'm a Damnocrat and I've got nothing to lose but my dealer-financed pickup."

    by precinct1233 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:16 PM PDT

  •  BLOGS RULE!!! BLOGS DESTROY MSM!! (4.00 / 4)

    IF this were Instapundit, you would be posting a hundred things a day on this and stating only: BLOGS RULE! BLOGS RULE!  

    If this were PowerLine, you would proudly proclaim that you, Mr. Daily Kos, have destroyed all by yourself the MSM as we know it.

    Can't wait for Jeff Jarvis, of BuzzMachine, to have a whole load of posts about this. . . . After all, he claims to be a dem.

    I am not voting against Hillary, I am voting for Obama

    by NewDem on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:18 PM PDT

  •  Is it just me or (none / 0)

    does Gannon look like a younger James McDougal?

    It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:41 PM PDT

  •  These are the same people... (4.00 / 3)

    ... attacking SpongeBob and Sesame Street? Hypocrisy indeed.

     I have written a diary about Sesame Street's global mission and funding needs, including a link to make donations.

    Today, Sesame Street is the longest street in the world -- a boulevard of learning, understanding, and respect among children across the globe... using the power of media to make a positive impact on the world of tomorrow. We're teaching children to be more tolerant, more understanding, and more respectful of differences.

    Those, my friends, are core liberal values we all stand for. Please read my diary and make a donation if you can afford it... and, yes, I have been pimping this diary a lot because the Street is very close to my heart. Sorry if that offends anyone.

    Check out My T-shirts

    by mrboma on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:30 PM PDT

  •  Caption for the Gannon/Guckert pic (none / 1)

    "I bet you'd like to smell my fingers too?"

    Investigate War Lies --> Evidence for Senate Conviction --> End the War. Got it?

    by bejammin075 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:32 PM PDT

  •  LMAO! This is MOST EXCELLENT! (4.00 / 4)

    But before we party too much...

    QUICK!  EVERYONE!  SAVE THAT PICTURE BEFORE IT IS TAKEN OFF THE INTERNETS!

    And good work everyone!


    by Plutonium Page on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:44 PM PDT

    •  Done (none / 1)

      just as you said.

      Guess what. Kossacks continue to be very rude. I am for Obama, but I'm not a Kossack.

      by DCDemocrat on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:16:31 PM PDT

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    •  OT, but, I just ran across the following (none / 1)

      GENIERE - Dum-dum Daschle
      SPARTANBURG, SC (Talon News) -- The campaign for Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD), who is running for his political life against Republican challenger John Thune, has a new television ad that began running this week featuring President George W. Bush and his political nemesis in the U.S. Senate hugging each other.

      http://www.talonnews.com/news/2004/august/0831_daschle_bush.shtml

      in the Phycicsforums.com archives.

      The title caught my eye and a caused a little itch to start in the back of my mind. When I scratched, I remembered that Winchester once marketed a fragmentation round called

      Black Talon SXT: The original Black Talon handgun bullet. It was introduced in 1991. The cartridge consists of a black colored bullet seated in a nickel-plated case. The black paint-like coating on the bullet is a Winchester proprietary lubricant called Lubalox. The bullet has six serrations on the rim of the hollowpoint cavity (meplat), and six talons. The talons deploy when the bullet expands. They are described by Winchester as: "six uniform, radial jacket petals with perpendicular tips." Winchester voluntarily discontinued sales of Black Talon SXT to the general public in late 1993/early 1994 due to intense negative media and political pressure. Some political activists derisively referred to it as "Black Felon" ammo.

      The funny part is that the colloquialism for a fragmentation round is

      Dumdum: An early form of expanding bullet made at Dumdum Arsenal, India, in the 1890s, in an attempt to make the small bullets used in modern rifles as  effective as the much larger and heavier bullets used with black powder muskets

      Coincidence? I think not.

      WARNING: When not being directly observed, this post may cease to exist or exist only in a vague and undetermined state.

      by Democarp on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:54:39 PM PDT

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  •  C'mon, the guy's just an entrepreneur... (4.00 / 4)

    selling what he can. He tried the court-reporting thing, and started a little Hot-Marine-Boy action on the side. Now he's selling something else: "Jeff Gannon, Intrepid Reporter!"

    But who's paying him? And where do they get their money from? And how in hell did he hook up with Bobby Eberle?

    Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -The Histories of Herodotus, Book 7, Ch. 49

    by Louise on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:50:03 PM PDT

  •  AND, BTW,.... (4.00 / 14)

    A HUGE CHEER goes out to SusanG and every kossack who has worked so hard on this.

    This is just the start.  

    We are after the man behind the curtain

    Kleeb ~ Powers

    by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:50:10 PM PDT

    •  Hip Hip, Hooray! (none / 0)


      You get one too...been following this in the shadows. So here's yours:

      Hip, Hop, Hooray-Ho-Hey-Ho...

      [shakes head]

      Sorry.

      Kudos to the Propagannonistas. Job well done. I hear rumors there's more to come...

      Goverment isn't ruling, its managing diversity. - ppGaz, balloon-juice.com

      by Clever on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:43:26 PM PDT

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    •  work is just started (none / 0)

      kudos to all but the work is just begun. NYBri is there anything from the Gannon/Talon FOIA filing in the DC tax office?
      In my spare time I have been looking at the timing of the rise of Talon with Defense Department projects to Influence through web sites overseas wondering if the effort in the US was concurrent.

      What Would Shirley Chisholm Do?

      by ricardo4 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:08:39 PM PDT

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      •  Okay...FOIA update.... (none / 1)

        standingup has been the on it all the way.  standingup has gotten up to speed on the FOIA ins and outs and is to be commended for the great work.

        Today a FOIA requst has been submitted to the DC tax office for Talon News' FIOA request for Daschel's tax records and we will have that doc within ten days (sooner, most likely).  Why is this important?  We'll have names and addresses for Talon News.  And, if the infomation on their request is wrong or is signed by a fake, then we have grounds to argue for this news organization to lose their press credentials.  You'll be the first to know.

        Press credentials

        We are on it.  'nuf said at this point.  

        Let me repeat.  This is the beginning.  More to follow.  Stay focues.  Stay energized.  This is YOUR project and will go as far as you want to take it.

        However...

        We are after the man behind the curtain

        Kleeb ~ Powers

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:22:14 PM PDT

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      •  Let me and spiderleaf know (none / 0)

        what you find....

        Thank you...

        Kleeb ~ Powers

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:23:35 PM PDT

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  •  Wouldn't it be rich if this guy were Mehlman's (none / 1)

    lover.  Ken Mehlman, GOP National Committee Chair, and rumored to be gay  (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just the hypocricy stupid).

    Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

    by LionelEHutz on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:51:49 PM PDT