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I received a flyer from Busby today, she boldly states she will "Eliminate Budget Deficits," "Cut Taxes," and "Weed out Waste." Further down and not quite so bold, she promises to "Fight to lower gas prices now," "Balance the budget and no pay raise for Congress until it's done," and of course the obligatory, "Eliminate government waste and slash the National Debt."
If those goals don't put a majority of voters to sleep, insure a low turnout keep voter cynicism at an all time high, the big bold headline that is the lead campaign promise is to "Permanently Eliminate the Death Tax." Great, the top half of one-percent can rest of assured Busby is on her side.
I am so tired of these juvenile campaigns targeted at the lowest common denominator of American politics. This is the problem! A win here is not a win. We must stand on principles.

For all those that will take a Democratic win at all cost, vote Busby and all other candidates that stoop to this level.

Originally posted to Carlsbad on Sat May 27, 2006 at 12:55 PM PDT.

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  •  Or vote for the alternative? No thanks. (2+ / 0-)
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    MJB, SoCalLiberal

    First of all, I have no idea what reason you have to think she's not telling the truth, but even if she isn't, the reason you vote for the lesser of two evils is that if that person wins, there's less evil. It's pretty simple.

    The Skeletor Show as seen on BoingBoing and Wired!

    by Arken on Sat May 27, 2006 at 12:48:50 PM PDT

    •  Busby is campaigning on eliminating the Death Tax (0+ / 0-)

      I didn't say she wasn't telling the truth. I said the campaign is insulting. But worst, the Death Tax elimination is designed to benefit the top one half of one percent of Americans. If we have a Democrat advocating that extreme sellout position, how are we going to decide the least of two evils?

      •  Who do you suggest people in CA-50 vote for (0+ / 0-)

        if not Busby?

        The Skeletor Show as seen on BoingBoing and Wired!

        by Arken on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:28:04 PM PDT

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        •  Interesting that Carlsbad has still not (1+ / 0-)
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          answered this one... Hmmm....

          The Skeletor Show as seen on BoingBoing and Wired!

          by Arken on Sat May 27, 2006 at 02:05:01 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, very interesting.... (1+ / 0-)
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            and its also interesting that as the questions pile up--
            the diarist seem to have taken a powder....
            I wonder...

            Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

            by JeffSCinNY on Sat May 27, 2006 at 02:15:48 PM PDT

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          •  Well it is a holiday weekend... (0+ / 0-)

            I don't know my final answer to that question. In fact there are five voters in my immediate family.
            I do know that if I cast a vote for Busby now, then I give up all right to complain when Democrats fail to band together to oppose Alito or Roberts or Hayden or fail to oppose corporate legislation like bankruptcy.

            I guess, bottom line, I can't play this game. I could stand by and watch a dreary, calculating Busby campaign that insures a low voter turnout and contributes to voter apathy because I feel it is important to take back one chamber at least.

            But not the estate tax. Not stealing from the right-wing playbook. I have to draw the line somewhere. Is there any legislation or policy that a Democrate could endorse that would be a deal breaker for you?

            The Democratic Party must stand for something. It must articulate why. There are of course local variations on the main themes but voters need to understand why they should vote Democratic. Busby had an opportunity here, and took the low road.

  •   The only ones who call it the Death Tax (2+ / 0-)
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    RickWn, Arken

    Are the republicans. Its the Estate tax.
    This smells fishy to me.

    Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

    by JeffSCinNY on Sat May 27, 2006 at 12:57:49 PM PDT

    •  I have the flyer (0+ / 0-)

      I live in the district and have the flyer. I quote, "Permanently Eliminate the Death Tax." Paid for by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

      •  scan it in and post it. (3+ / 0-)
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        TrueBlueMajority, bewert, Arken

        I'm surprised you didn't. JeffSCinNY is right. The DCCC wouldn't call it the Death Tax. Nor would they authorise that. That's a gop talking point.  I think it's a fake.  That wouldn't surprise me as the gop is perfectly willing to lie, cheat and steal to get that seat.

        "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness." Mark Twain

        by dougymi on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:18:52 PM PDT

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        •  Sure they would (1+ / 0-)
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          We're talking about a Democrat with a chance to win the California 50th.  They'd absolutely go with pushing her credentials in Republican terms--it's a majority Republican, affluent district, and when that can work for a candidate they'd use it in a New York Minute.

          Florida Democrats: Learn how to WIN at the polls!

          by JR on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:23:33 PM PDT

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          •  I can't see it , but you might be right. (0+ / 0-)

            Anything is possible.  That one would surprise me.  Republicans faking a flyer would not.  

            "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness." Mark Twain

            by dougymi on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:30:07 PM PDT

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          •  Fool People who say 'death tax' (0+ / 0-)

            into thinking she is the Republican?

            It sounds like a stupid strategy, but there's a fair amount of competition for that title.

            •  Not that, (1+ / 0-)
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              but comfort those that think that Democrats are reflexively taxers, in parlance they can understand.  I'd guess the goal is to lessen resistance to a Busby win, rather than convert new supporters  Keep the affluent 50th from becoming too concerned for their pocketbooks by providing some cover for Busby.  It's much cheaper than attempting to reframe the debate in a matter of days.

              Not exactly the high debate we've come to expect from our movement, but hey, we need the win.

              Florida Democrats: Learn how to WIN at the polls!

              by JR on Sat May 27, 2006 at 10:12:35 PM PDT

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        •  Second that--this looks fishy (3+ / 0-)
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          MJB, curtadams, dougymi

          I just went to her campaign web site and there is nothing about the estate tax. Seems weird it would be highlighted on a mailer. This is the full text of the position mentioning taxes:

          Strengthening America’s Economy

          -Cut Taxes for Small Businesses and Working Families and Balance Those Cuts by Eliminating Corporate Tax Shelters and Loopholes

          -Reduce Cost of Health Care to Small Businesses and the Self Employed

          -Pass a 21st Century Energy Policy That Reduces
          Costs to Business and Families by Increasing Efficiency and Conservation

          Francine Busby believes that we need to re-prioritize our tax system to value working families and eliminate tax-evaders. She strongly supports reducing taxes for small businesses and working families. To balance those cuts, Francine supports the elimination of corporate tax shelters and loopholes that cost the county hundreds of billions of dollars. She will work to reduce the cost of health care for businesses and the self-employed and will encourage investment in a 21st Century energy policy that will reduce costs for families and businesses. Her approach will create economic growth while cutting the national debt and helping American families prosper.

          You might also want to contact Busby's crew and see if they know about it. Her website is

          "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Dr. ML King, from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama in 1963.

          by bewert on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:44:02 PM PDT

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      • (2+ / 0-)
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        alizard, SoCalLiberal

        A National Republican Congressional Committee ad misleads viewers by saying Busby "could bring back the death tax," when in fact she has publicly supported permanent repeal of the federal estate tax for years, a fact known to Republican opposition researchers.

        The phrase "death tax" isn't here used by Busby, but it's reasonable to think that, in a district like the CA-50, the standard voter parlance for the estate tax would be "death tax," and there's no reason to quibble over semantics this close to E-Day.

        Florida Democrats: Learn how to WIN at the polls!

        by JR on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:22:06 PM PDT

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  •  Whoa... (0+ / 0-)

    ... a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. You talk about the top one percent, well honey, 80% of that top one percent live in her district!

    Don't get all purist on me a week before the election. Busby will be a great member of congress --she has a very sleazy act to follow.

    Get her in, then we can talk agenda.

    "I am my brother's keeper. I am a Democrat." -- That's your slogan, Democrats.

    by Bensdad on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:20:36 PM PDT

  •  Look this whole thing is ridiculous (2+ / 0-)
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    MJB, hilltopper

    Are we gonna nit pick our way to another defeat....
    or is that the whole point of this diary?

    Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

    by JeffSCinNY on Sat May 27, 2006 at 01:33:06 PM PDT

  •  So we have to figure out a way to appeal (0+ / 0-)

    to the lowest common demoninator and bring it back to our side.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Sat May 27, 2006 at 02:22:58 PM PDT

  •  This is her website (0+ / 0-)

    here. Find where she mentions eliminating the

    "death tax".

    And scan and post the flyer.

    I am still looking at her site, but if this death tax talk is such a "winner" you'd think it'd be featured more prominently.

  •  great job (0+ / 0-)

    a little more than a week before an election in which we have a fair shot at taking a seat in a Repub district and you're here tearing down the Democratic candidate. And for what? Not being pure enough in idealogy in a district that consists of some of the nations wealthiest neighborhoods. Seems rather trollish for you to attack Busby like that.

    "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor" Reverend Joseph Lowery 02/07/06

    by Prison4Bushco on Sat May 27, 2006 at 04:15:43 PM PDT

    •  How insulting (0+ / 0-)

      Busby is campaignin on the right-wing agenda. By pointing out that fact, I am guilty of being negligent? You obviously don't get it and seem real comfortable with the thought police knocking at our door.
      Try learning the facts:

      Then try to remember what it means to have a political party stand for something.

      •  you're correct (1+ / 0-)
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        peace voter

        your diary is quite insulting. As far as the "facts" go, I'm well aware who the estate tax benefits. If you want a Marcy Winograd type as your Congresswoman you might as well move to CA-36 because no matter how great a progressive candidate she is, she wouldn't have a chance in CA-50. Meanwhile, if CA-50 has any chance of being represented by a Democrat, Busby is your best chance. Your idealism is admirable, but it seems that it should be tempered with some pragmatism.

        "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor" Reverend Joseph Lowery 02/07/06

        by Prison4Bushco on Sat May 27, 2006 at 08:15:27 PM PDT

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        •  Idealism (0+ / 0-)

          You have got to be kidding. Opposing a candidate that campaigns on repealing the estate tax is idealistic? With that kind of muddled thinking you deserve the government you get. If it is okay to support repealing the estate tax how about opposing affirmitive action? What about eliminating the minimum wage? come on... Why stop with a pillar of the Democratic Party like the estate tax, just keep going, the right-wing has lots of great ideas to appeal to the wing nuts. You can applaud them all. What ever it takes to get elected, just as long as that D is behind your name. How insane!

          •  Idealism (0+ / 0-)

            What would be insane is if all Democratic candidates marched lockstep and obeyed your demands of idealogical purity. If that were the case, the numbers of Democratic representatives in Congress would be more than halved with no Democrats even having a chance in Republican leaning districts. Show me an example of a Democratic member of Congress representing a Republican leaning district whose positions on the issues and votes on the hill toe your idealogically pure line.  

            Your opposition and attack on Busby has a negative effect on the Democratic party, it's just a shame that you will never realize that. You don't realize it, but by attacking Busby you're helping the Republicans maintain power in Congress.

            "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor" Reverend Joseph Lowery 02/07/06

            by Prison4Bushco on Sun May 28, 2006 at 08:51:13 AM PDT

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            •  Mr. Ends justify the means, (0+ / 0-)

              It is not about marching lockstep or purity which you seem to have a difficult time comprehending.
              Republicans gained control of all branches of government by standing for something. Not "lockstep" or "purity" but voters understood what Republicans believed and rewarded that stance with election.
              Do you complain when Democrats vote for Roberts or Alito or Hayden? How about the Republican backed bankruptcy law? I hope not.

              You don't seem to understand that the estate tax is a pillar of the Democratic Party. It insures that inherited wealth will not be passed on generation after generation. This is not some fringe piece of legislation it is bedrock.

              If you think adopting an ends justifies the means approach to politics will work, just look at the current rampant apathy and dismall voter participation.

              By the way, is there any campaign issue that a Democrat could adopt that would insult you enough to  consider not voting for them?

              Does it bother you that middle class Americans will pick up the tab if Busby's repeal of the inheritance tax is adopted? Do you have any idea how much money is involved and how few people the inheritance tax affects? This is another give away to the ultra-rich at the expense of everyone else.

              Democrats cannot not be in the business of promoting the right-wing agenda in order to get elected. I recognize there are many that disagree and are willing to say anything and do anything in order to get a win as long as there is a "D" behind the name.

              How sad, but that is where it stands.

  •  It looks like there are left over McGovernites (0+ / 0-)

    that want to grease the way for Nixon lovers.

  •  She has one helluva (0+ / 0-)

    professional staff and I'm willing to bet there is a lot left unsaid in this post. Her campaign manager is very, very good.

  •  so far, what you've given us (0+ / 0-)

    is an attack on Busby based on her alleged support of repealing the estate tax, whose only verifiable basis is from GOP advertising. Apparently her support is so secret that based on people checking her site, even Busby doesn't know about it.

    Your options are to verify your claim (post the flyer, and I'm sure somebody knows who to call to verify that its origin isn't a Photoshop job you did yourself) or admit to being a GOP troll.

    Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

    by alizard on Sat May 27, 2006 at 06:12:46 PM PDT

    •  Come to terms with it (1+ / 0-)
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      It is accepted that the flyer is accurate. I think we agree, that for a Democrat to support the elimination of the estate tax is unacceptable.
      I don't know if I will vote for her but if I do, then like everyone else I need to stop complaining when Democrats side with Republicans on key votes.
      This isn't about Party anymore it just a collection of issues in any given race that will allow a candidate to garner 50.1% of the vote.
      If we continue down this path we can be assured voter apathy will rise and turnout diminish. Beyond the social implications of the estate tax which has been a Democratic Party pillar, on just a budgetary level, campaigning for eliminating it which would cause a huge drain on the treasury and then in the same flyer talking about balancing the budget takes cynicism to a new level. Who picks up the taxes the ultra-rich avoid if the estate tax is killed? The same people that are picking up Bush's tax cuts.
      Busby has run one of those safe and sanitized campaigns. It is a real yawner guranteed to keep turnout low and to remind any voter left tuning in that it is business as usual. Okay, that is one way to win and this is a tough district for a Dem to win but she crossed the line with the repeal of the estate tax. To some this seems acceptable as long as she wins. I am left to wonder what right-wing issue would she have to support before enough is enough.

      •  accepted by whom? (0+ / 0-)

        Nobody else around here seems to have heard of her "flyer", even those who live in her district as you say you do.

        As I said, scan and post the flyer and prove that it came from Busby's campaign instead of your photoshop skills and I'll be happy to discuss it.

        You've managed to move the discussion topic from "does Busby support the estate tax?" to "is Carlsbad a GOP astroturfer or just a freeper troll?"

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Sun May 28, 2006 at 03:13:15 PM PDT

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        •  Salutation alizard, (0+ / 0-)

          You have a very creepy way of communicating and worst you seem all to willing to engage in name calling rather than reason.
          The flyer is true, I am not going to answer your juvenile request to scan it but it has been confirmed many times here:
          When you say discuss, do you mean more flagrant unsubstantiated accusations and name calling?
          Your signature seems to fit your personality.

        •  Here is a link to the North County Times. (1+ / 0-)
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          I made it simple for you. You could have found it for yourself...
          The argument many have used is Busby is just representing the district which is wealthier than some. While the district's demographics tilt toward the high end it is very diverse. The people making those comments generally don't know the district. They certainly don't know how very few would be effected in this district.
          What I find dumbfounding is Busby is against the Bush tax cuts that certainly more directly effect the wealthy in her district. The estate tax effect so very few.

          Read here as well:

          Come on, what is this Internet 101:

          I am going to make you knowledgeable yet:

          This is a good one... see who else supports it:

          •  why didn't you say so to begin with? (1+ / 0-)
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            reid fan

            If you'd simply linked to the newspaper article, while people might argue whether or not one should vote GOP over the estate tax alone, nobody would have disputed that your accusation was reasonable. Whether or not this is Busby's current position... somebody around here could have checked with her office.

            Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

            Since you were the one making the claims, the proofs were yours to provide, this was by definition your problem and nobody else's. So I didn't bother to websearch and nobody else bothered to go past the candidate's own website.

            It's your own fault that you made your own credibility an issue.

            As for "Internet 101", I've been writing how-to pieces on the Net for money since the early 1990s, I write how-to pieces on Linux now.

            Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

            by alizard on Sun May 28, 2006 at 07:11:33 PM PDT

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            •  I see (1+ / 0-)
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              I was not making "accusations" only stating fact. You attacked my motives and questioned my character. Before I do that to anyone, I feel an obligation to make sure there is a basis. You failed to do the simplist of Web searches and decided I was some kind of low life. You don't have an excuse and instead should just apologize. I am beyond expecting that kind of behavior from you.
              I am surprise at the level of closed mindedness I have experienced just stating a fact that Busby supports a position that only the extreme right has pushed. It is almost robotic how so many have responded. Troll is a favorite, anti-Democratic Party is another. Of course your favorites liar and Republican operative.
              To those that believe that anything and everything is acceptable in order to get elected, that the ends justify the means and that having control of a chamber is more important than leading, I say, that is what brought us here. How does it feel?

              •  you expected us to take your word (1+ / 0-)
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                reid fan

                for it and got increasingly defensive and crazy-sounding as things progressed, continuing to make claims you had not substantiated. We don't know you, why should we take your unsupported word for anything? You came on like a Freeper troll, and that's how you get treated.

                You did this to yourself, and you only have yourself to blame for the results. I certainly didn't tell you to present your information this way.

                I have no apology for you, you don't deserve one. Just advice. If you're going to make an extraordinary claim and you've got proof from a reputable source, put that up front.

                Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

                by alizard on Sun May 28, 2006 at 08:23:37 PM PDT

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                •  You must think of your self as a very important (1+ / 0-)
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                  person around these parts. I think of you as something much less. Do you have a mouse in your pocket because otherwise who is "us?" Maybe you have an imaginary friend...
                  I am trying to figure out just how far out you are, point me to the post where I got "increasingly defensive" and "crazy-sounding." I just want to check your view of reality.

                  Meanwhile, you think it is extraordinary the Busby suppports the repeal of the estate tax? I find it down right shameful.

                  In the future, try, then busby+estate tax. How hard is that? I guess the easy thing is name calling and character impugning.

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