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Chris Bowers has an excellent post up at MyDD about the existence of a "generation gap in perception" around the 2006 midterm elections. That post, in making a distinction between how those above and below the age of 40 see this election and the Democratic party, dovetails with an interesting conversation I had with fellow blogger Matt Ortega at Drinking Liberally Oakland last night.

There is a missing ingredient that we Democrats need to find right now. That ingredient is precisely this: a level of backbone and resolute focus on the GOP record embodied personally by Republican candidates. Democrats have failed to produce this ingredient in previous elections and we've suffered for that.

We need to make a visceral connection with voters about the price of this GOP Congress.  We need to make this personal.

In Matt's words, we need to get real...

To elaborate on what it means to "get real," Matt spoke convincingly about the recent anti-George Allen Vote Vets ad on body armor. That ad, with its direct, side-by-side comparison of GOP versus Democratic legislation makes the kind of visual point that sinks in. The Vote Vets ad pulls no punches. That approach is EXACTLY what is called for.

In my view, if this election is simply base against base. Mid-term voters versus mid-term voters. Democratic turnout versus GOP turnout. We change nothing even if we win seats.

We Democrats need to take our chips and put them ALL on a simple, direct message that will resonate for decades: it's time for America to get real about the consequences of this GOP Congress.

To convey that message we need to get real ourselves. We can't pussy-foot around. Let me put it this way, if the Republicans are going to spend another election season attacking Democrats as if we are "in bed with terrorists" then Democrats sure as hell better stand up and start attacking Republican candidates and standing up to that slander. We Democrats need to make it clear that we mean serious business. There is no room for equivocation or qualifiers. This is no time for niceties.

You see, everything that is wrong with the direction this country is headed in is embodied in the record of this GOP Congress. Everything. We need to convey that.  We need to talk about that.  We need to present that distinction in unequivocal and direct terms.

Democrats need to connect with folks who eat breakfast at McDonalds. Our arguments have to work in that environment. Our ads, our candidates, our message needs to play in that arena: we need to connect...viscerally...with small groups of Americans talking over a cup of coffee and an Egg McMuffin. The VoteVets ad does 30 seconds.

From the point of view of two Democrats from the under-40 generation that Chris Bowers talks about...that is precisely where the Democratic Party needs to be right now.

Originally posted to kid oakland on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 07:19 AM PDT.

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  •  Bush Could Have Prevented 9/11 (32+ / 0-)

    Is that the sort of think you're talking about?

    Not only did the Republicans fail to protect us from 9/11, they didn't protect us from the anthrax attacks, either.

    Personally, I think that as the Republican narrative is rooted in 9/11, that's where we must focus. Americans want to know how that happened. The Bushies have spent years promoting a narrative that overlooks the cause (except to blame Clinton, of course) and focuses only on the reaction. But, given the recent polling showing how willing Americans are to believe odd conspiracy theories, I believe the Democrats can now speak the truth: 9/11 was preventable. Clinton handed the incoming Bush Administration a plan to destroy al Queda.

    But the Republicans chose not to impliment it.

    Let there be sharks - TracieLynn

    by GussieFN on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 07:16:21 AM PDT

    •  Of course, you're right (10+ / 0-)

      And this fits the "Rovian" policy of attacking their strengths.

      But convincing and solidifying this theme may require a longer term "re-education" than the less than two months we have.

      Perhaps it's better to make the same point (Bush is weak on terror) by working with what is obvious to make the same point (like the Allen Armor ads).

      The Democratic Message: Security, Privacy, Justice

      by Upper West on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:02:35 AM PDT

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      •  play to the existing meme (21+ / 0-)

        Bush is an oil man, right? After all, he gives them BILLIONS in subsidies when they're making record profits.

        Well what happens every time there's a terrorist attack? The price of oil goes up.

        So why would Bush not like terror?

        He's a proven liar, we know that because he said Saddam was in bed with Osama and that he had WMDs.

        Stronger than all the armies is an idea whose time has come. - Victor Hugo

        by racerx on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:23:52 AM PDT

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        •  Except right before the election when the price (15+ / 0-)

          of oil and gas has gone down. Why? What in this world has changed in the last month to make the price of oil and gas go down? No thing! Nothing!

          Except the upcoming elections where the military/ industrial/corporate interests need the Republicans to retain power in order to continue making record profits.

          Gas down a few cents for two months prior to an election, even though it's up from a year ago, and dumba** voters can only remember the fact they are saving a dime a gallon from July's prices?

          I love the New anti-Allen ad. So simple, so fact based, so graphic!  In advertising it's a simple formula- Tell em-tell em again, then wrap up by telling em what you just told em.  That ad is perfect!  

          An election is coming. Universal peace is declared....and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry. ~T.S. Eliot

          by maggiemae on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:46:33 AM PDT

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          •  You are right... (10+ / 0-)

            Americans are being PLAYED by Bushco...gas prices have dropped 20 cents a gallon...anyone else besides me feel like the puppet whose strings were just slacked?...of course they are orchestrating the whole thing...we are being played by big oil whose obscene PROFITS- not gross sales- PROFITS should have been enuf to get folks hot under the collar....corporate interests are the motivation for raping the environment, air quality and discounting global warming. It is behind terror threats and the invasion of is behind the thousands of deaths and injuries to American soldiers...Jesus Christ, if American voters can't get it thru their thick heads I really don't know how many 30 second commercials will...

            "Our sweat and our blood have fallen on this land to make other men rich." Cesar Estrada Chavez

            by bic momma on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:31:57 AM PDT

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            •  I've heard a number of people with this theory... (3+ / 0-)
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              and it may be that more people think this than we are aware.  I know I do.

              I wouldn't believe Bush if his tongue became notarized (h/t to shanti2)

              by billlaurelMD on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:43:36 AM PDT

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            •  Well, here is some breathless news (5+ / 0-)
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              that was on the local news and in the paper this morning. Gas will be going down to $1.15 a gallon in the next few months according to some analysts. Here's a snippet from the local paper

              Crude-oil prices have fallen about $14, or roughly 17 percent, from their July 14 peak of $78.40. After falling seven straight days, they rose slightly Wednesday in trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, to $63.97, partly in reaction to a government report showing fuel inventories a bit lower than expected. But the overall price drop is expected to continue, and prices could fall much more in the weeks and months ahead.

              For most of the past two years, oil prices have risen because the world's oil producers have struggled to keep pace with growing demand, particularly from China and India. Spare oil-production capacity grew so tight that market players feared that any disruption to oil production could create shortages.

              With fear of supply disruptions ebbing, oil prices began sliding. With oil inventories high, refiners that turn oil into gasoline are expected to cut production. As refiners cut production, oil companies increasingly risk getting stuck with excess oil supplies. There's already anecdotal evidence of oil companies chartering tankers to store excess oil.

              All this is turning financial markets increasingly bearish on oil.
              Should oil traders fear that this downward price spiral will get worse and run for the exits by selling off their futures contracts, Verleger said, it's not unthinkable that oil prices could return to $15 or less a barrel, at least temporarily. That could mean gasoline prices as low as $1.15 per gallon

              You know that old saying  "timing is everything"

          •  The more I think about Republicans and truth (3+ / 0-)
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            the more I am drawn back to Orwell.

            Your point about the price of gas before an election is one case.

            "Boot production is up 15%."

            When y'ain't got nothin', ya got nothin' to lose.

            by aerdrie faenya on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:09:26 AM PDT

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        •  Please pardon my butting in line here. (8+ / 0-)

          The simple fact is that the Republican Slime Machine (RSM) makes the unthinkable--thinkable--regardless of the truth.


          • Max Cleland who lost limbs serving his country now supports terrorists.
          • John Kerry military medals were ill-gotten.

          Democrats have to use the same tactic--and not worry about being sticklers for the truth.  George Allen's vote against increased funding for the National Guard did leave our troops with old, ineffective body armor.  Thinking that's "unthinkable that members of Congress would do such a thing to our soldiers" pays fidelity to truth.  Republicans count truth as BULLSHIT.

          Another example:  The new Medicare prescription program is a mess on so many levels, but Republican ignore any facts and call the program a great accomplishment.

          Are the Republicans grinding our over-stretch military into ground?  Unthinkable you might say.  I SAY THINK IT.  Are Republicans determined to financially enslave of children and grand-children to Chinese?  Unthinkable you might say.  I SAY THINK IT.  The Republican Congress is under-funding homeland security?  Unthinkable you might say.  I SAY THINK IT.  Though the Bush Administration claims it is acting against terrorism, the real purpose for the push for domestic spy is to curtail individual rights.  Unthinkable you might say.  I SAY THINK IT.  

          To Republicans the truth is bullshit and something to ignored.

          (Hey racerx, see ya' over at The Carpetbagger Report)

          For people of deep faith like George W. Bush, beliefs are intoxicating, and facts are sobering. Sober up, America!

          by slip kid no more on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:30:30 AM PDT

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          •  I Agree (3+ / 0-)
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            Help spread the meme that Cheney knew about the impending 9/11 and just let it happen (or that he was directly behind it).  This is spreading out there anyway.  Keep our fingerprints off it but help spread it anyway in the same way Rove spread the rumors that Ann Richards was a lesbian.

            This aggression will not stand, man.

            by kaleidescope on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:36:40 AM PDT

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            •  No, Fighting Against Bleak Bush Future (1+ / 0-)
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              and for a better one should be the overriding message. Not some lame old sh-t about what happened 5 centuries or years ago. Respond directly and succinctly to lies with facts, but change the subject to the crappy future Bush etc. has in store for us, and a much better alternative. Otherwise, there's no reason to vote, is there?

              Here's a great future:
              *Single-payer national health care.
              *A US incomes program that controls immigration so that wages and employment for the bottom half go up not down.
              *Foreign policy centered on getting out of other nations' business, and if not that then on non-military solutions for all regions we are inevitably closely mixed up with.
              *Domestic policy that gets the police and law out of what we smoke and put in our (and others') bodies of our own free will.
              *Huge national jobs for the environment program that builds mass transit systems and alternative energy projects. And repairs environmentally disastrous damaged and out-of-date infrastructure.
              *Paid for by drastically cutting back on our 'dinosaur-age' military (approach and) budget, and by greatly increasing taxes on the top 10% and especially the richest 1%.

              Thom Hartmann or Stephanie Miller for President, alternatives to the wonks and whimps

              by fairleft on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:34:36 PM PDT

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              •  Right (2+ / 0-)
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                And people will believe this will happen if the Democrats regain narrow control of the House.  They're just gonna look at the Democrats "promising" this as duplicitous politicians who'll say anything to get elected.  

                Hell, Clinton couldn't even get to square one of what you outline and he had control of the presidency and both houses of Congress.

                You might as well propose that Democrats advocate chocolate fountains in every town square and money that grows on trees.

                This aggression will not stand, man.

                by kaleidescope on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:57:24 PM PDT

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                •  So promise the same old cr-p, but blue? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Americans want secure, decent-paying jobs, a peaceful secure future for our kids, and decent health care and social security. If Democrats can't promise those without getting laughed off the stage (by the pundit class at least), then what's the purpose of politics?

                  Nobody gives a real damn what Cheney did what 5 or 6 years ago. Sorry.

                  Thom Hartmann or Stephanie Miller for President, alternatives to the wonks and whimps

                  by fairleft on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:37:53 PM PDT

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                  •  No (1+ / 0-)
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                    Promise something that sounds realistic.  Like:  We'll hold Bush accountable and we'll fight hard to keep him from wrecking even more shit.

                    This aggression will not stand, man.

                    by kaleidescope on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:58:59 PM PDT

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                    •  That won't get a lot people off their couches (2+ / 0-)
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                      and into voter booths. Holding Bush accountable doesn't hit people where they live. 'Keeping him from wrecking more shit' ain't exactly inspiring.

                      It's pathetic the only message Dems, apparently slaves to conventional wisdom, think they can have is "We're not Bush."

                      Thom Hartmann or Stephanie Miller for President, alternatives to the wonks and whimps

                      by fairleft on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:04:19 PM PDT

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                      •  But (0+ / 0-)

                        Promising them chocolate fountains and money trees will.

                        This aggression will not stand, man.

                        by kaleidescope on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:27:53 PM PDT

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                        •  How is raising taxes on upper-income people (0+ / 0-)

                          and the super-rich, and cutting way back on a Pentagon budget that is largely useless in assymetric warfare, and then using much of that to fund environmental, economic and infrastructure programs that will distribute income better and get important economic stuff accomplished for the country... unrealistic?

                          I realize it's 'unrealistic' when large corporations and the rich 'own' our political system. But otherwise it's just old-fashioned Democratic Party economic politics, the kind that brought us 1945 to the early 1970s, the best economic period in our country's history.

                          Thom Hartmann or Stephanie Miller for President, alternatives to the wonks and whimps

                          by fairleft on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:52:23 PM PDT

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                          •  Good Policy/Unrealistic Politics (1+ / 0-)
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                            Sure, people are in favor of all the shit you mention.  But they also know the Democrats -- especially in the near future -- have a snowball's chance in hell of actually enacting it.  So the Democrats come across as just cynically saying what people want to hear.  Which turns people off.  Much better would be to get elected and then try to do some of that and, if you get it enacted, THEN run on it.

                            An iron law of politics is that politicians make pretty, unrealistic, promises that they break.  That's what most people think of politicians from both parties.  When John Kerry said he was going to balance the budget and allow everybody but those making more than 200K a year to keep their Bush tax cuts, people knew he was just saying a bunch of shit to get elected.

                            It would be much better to attack the Republicans for what they've done to the environment, income inequality, defense, support of the troops with body armor, the Constitution, etc., and then to say, "we'll work really hard to keep Bush from fucking more things up."  This is something that actually sounds doable.  

                            In my mind -- especially given what most people think of Bush right now -- it would also be popular.

                            This aggression will not stand, man.

                            by kaleidescope on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 05:03:02 PM PDT

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                          •  Your politics is a proven loser (0+ / 0-)

                            Why not try a little substance, instead of "Bush is an asshole, and we're/I'm not him"? Kerry tried that and lost.

                            If you think a long list of stuff is too much for your dumbed-down cynic's eye concept of the voting public, then I have a one item list:

                            1. Single-payer govt health insurance for every American. No more insurance companies taking a slice, no more insurance premiums, no more claims forms, and the cost of health insurance cut 30-50%. This is what the California legislature passed a couple weeks ago, but the loser Demo Governor candidate, Phil Angelides, was against it. He's running on no issues except "Ahnold is an asshole, and I'm not him," and he's losing.

                            Thom Hartmann or Stephanie Miller for President, alternatives to the wonks and whimps

                            by fairleft on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 08:02:14 AM PDT

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                        •  There are plenty of things (1+ / 0-)
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                          that government can do that don't cost much money.

                          For example:
                          1. Require that wholesale prescription drug prices in the US be the lowest in any OECD country by law
                          1. Require healthcare providers post prices like restaurants do physically and on the Internet in a standardized computer searchable format
                          1. Limit total airline price changes to three per flight
                  •  And (0+ / 0-)

                    As for nobody caring about what somebody did five years ago, try telling that to Ann Richards when she was hit with rumors (started in a covert whispering campaign by Karl Rove) that she was a lesbian.  Personally, I think the Democrats should also use a whispering campaign, which would then be fed by left-wing bloggers, that Bush knocked up his girlfriend and drove her to an abortion clinic.  Push polling on something like this would also help.

                    This aggression will not stand, man.

                    by kaleidescope on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:01:49 PM PDT

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        •  Follow the Money ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... because it sure ain't coming to you.  

          "Follow the Money" would be a great meme to focus on because concentrating the money in the hands of the top 1% and big corporations is THE ONE AND ONLY philosphy of the Republicans.  Guns, gays and God are all just distractions that enable them to accomplish their primary goal of gettin the money into the hands of the few.  Concentrating wealth is what defines EACH AND EVERY Republican policy.  Go ahead, name an issue.

          The Republican war -  Why is there is enough money in $500B we've spent on the Republican war for Halliburton's CEO to make $40M last year, but not enough enough to buy body armor that actually stops bullets? Or not enough money so that we have to CUT VA funding that takes care of those who have fought in the Republican war ... Because that is the Republican way.

          The Republican Economy - How is it the economy is expanding but wages for most American are declining?  Where is all that money going???  Why is it that big businesses that are making record profits are getting tax-incentives for moving job OUT of the US?  Why are oil companies that are making record profits getting BILLIONS of dollars in tax subsidies, while American pay record prices at the pump .... Because that is the Republican way.

          Republican Medicare - Why is it that the Medicare D plan forbids the goverment from negotiating with big pharmaceutical companies, thus resulting in higher drug prices for everyday Americans?  Because that is the Republican way.

          Republican Environmentalism - Why is it companies can increase their bottom lines by being allowed to dump more mercury into our waters, which in turn, causes more birth defects?  Because it is the Republican way.  

          Follow the money.  Simple and to the point.  

          All men want to be rich. Rich men want to be king. And the king ain't satisfied till he rules everything. Springsteen

          by howd on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:07:31 AM PDT

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      •  or the Dubai ports, (8+ / 0-)

        and don't forget to mention that attempts at full security were quashed by corporate giant WalMart b/c it would slow down their supply-chain speed.

        Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being American first... [t]he President -- and those around him -- did that. -- KO -7.63/-6.41

        by vome minnesota on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:00:08 AM PDT

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      •  We must be vocal about what we CAN do (0+ / 0-)

        In this election, no matter what gains we make, we cannot overcome any veto that George sends down the pike.

        Therefore any resolve about great plans we have and the direction we want to take the nation we FIRST have to do what MUST BE DONE in order to change course.

        We have to apply the BRAKES and STOP further headway in the WRONG direction.

        With the House in our control which is our BEST BET TO HAPPEN.

        We need at least a gain of 20-22 seats to accomplish this goal.(must take note that a 1 vote majority doesn't hold well in the House).

        Once accomplished the House applys the BRAKES TO BUSH'S RECKLESS WAYS AND METHODS.

        He can be stopped and his power CHECKED.

        His actions can be investigated and brought to the attantion of the nation.

        SO FOR NOW.

        We must make it clear to the voters this November that this is a referendum on G.W. Bush and his policies.

        Little else matters.

        We cannot gain enough seats in the Senate to override a Veto due there not being enough GOP seats up for election to get 67 Democratic Senators.

        What we can do is Check the President's power and hold the purse strings on the entire bunch.

        When anyone asks you what our plan is It can be no more than CHECKING THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENT AND STOPPING THE COUNTRY FROM THE DIRECTION IT IS HEADED.

        Everything else must come no sooner than 2008!

        Sure we can pass progressive legislation in the House but, without a Senate majority it is a moot issue.
        Without a Democratic President we must have "Veto Proof" Senate and Congress and that's most likely NEVER going to happen.

        Let's get out the vote, make sure your friends and neighbors that you can count on to vote your way are REGISTERED AND HAVE A WAY TO VOTE!!!!

        Political pardons are unacceptable Mr Bush,and so is hiding your daddy's secrets behind exectutive orders,free the truth now.Econ 3.50&Soc. 5.79

        by wmc418 on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:39:34 AM PDT

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      •  I Called Di-Fi's office today about this... (1+ / 0-)
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        curiously - the aide had NOT SEEN THE AD.

        WTF are they doing?  I suggested he could "check it out" as a quick 30 second guide on - HOW NOT TO LOSE WITH THE TRUTH.

        The Dems better stand up - if not now, WHEN?

        "And so, to the end of history, murder shall breed murder, always in the name of right and honor and peace."

        • George Bernard Shaw

      •  Bush: Weak with Terror (2+ / 0-)
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        OR bumper sticker:

        Republicans: Weak With Terror
        Stay Strong * VOTE DEMOCRATIC

        or something like that ...

        Republicans--ballast in the ship of state.

        by ohiolibrarian on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:47:17 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry, wrong direction. (29+ / 0-)

      The argument "Bush Could Have Prevented 9/11" merely confirms the worst stereotypes of Democrats:

      1. concerned about placing blame for actions in the past

       2) offering no direction of our own.  running on purely a negative message.  making no argument for how Democrats are going to protect us now.
       3) making an argument that can be debated tit for tat ad nauseum
       4) lending credibility to conspiracy theorists.

      If our message isn't about the future, we're sunk.  The reason that we reflexively look to arguments like the one above is that the Democrats haven't made a case for a future-oriented, consensus message, like what the hell are we going to do about Iraq if people vote for us.

      •  amen think blue (7+ / 0-)
        absolutely !

        Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. - Harry S. Truman

        by wishingwell on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:28:32 AM PDT

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      •  Curious that Clinton-bashing still works (5+ / 0-)
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        for them, though.

        I think you're believing the hype, like that voters 'don't like negative campaigns.' Well, maybe not, but they work.

        Same with blame. We Democrats are terrified of blaming--we can't even say 'fault,' we mutter about 'accountability' instead--when the assignment of blame is the Republican's major fault. And we're right, too!

        Building our own narrative is the only way to counter theirs. Trying to convince people Democrats have some vague plan to protect us is not only nonsense, it's strategically-useless nonsense.

        A future-oriented, consensus message? I'm sorry, but that's a recipe for losing. Attack. Attack. Never defend. Then attack more. That's how you win.

        Let there be sharks - TracieLynn

        by GussieFN on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:31:51 AM PDT

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        •  Not 'major fault,' 'major strength'! (nt) (0+ / 0-)

          Let there be sharks - TracieLynn

          by GussieFN on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:33:33 AM PDT

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        •  Geeze, think about what you are saying ... (1+ / 0-)
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          Trying to convince people Democrats have some vague plan to protect us is not only nonsense, it's strategically-useless nonsense.

          This seems to be a dream comment for the right wing noise machine!  I can see it now, "Even the kossacks admit that they don't have a plan to protect you!"

          •  What I mean is, nobody does. (2+ / 0-)
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            The Republicans are selling this idea that we can be safe. We can't. Such is life. Such is the world.

            Bush: "We're safer, but not yet safe."

            So these conversations about how to make us 'safe' are largely nonsense. Or, I guess more accurately, they're largely theater. Yeah, there are plenty of things that'll make us safer--port security, not starting wars for no reason and pissing off allies and being corrupt incompetent monomaniacal ideologues--but still, political debate is drama, not scholarship. Republicans understand this. We don't seem to.

            Let there be sharks - TracieLynn

            by GussieFN on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:11:45 PM PDT

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          •  If it's government's job to protect us 100% (0+ / 0-)

            where should I turn in my car?  And when will they come and fill in my pool?  When will the MacDonalds down the street be shut down?

            My neighbor is smoking cigarettes.  That's not safe!  Should I call the police?  Will they take away his gun?  Will they arrest me for being overweight?

            There's lots of stuff more dangerous than terrorists.

            Pumped and ready for "the rough and tumble competition of the memetic marketplace."

            by sagra on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:36:04 PM PDT

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        •  Thier Clinton bashing IS about the future (0+ / 0-)

          They are trying to say Clinton and his team were a bunch of wussies in terrorism, frittering away opportunites in a frenzy of liberal handwringing. "Do you want pansies like that in office again?" they say.

          Bush may push the wrong button but at least he'll push a button. And keep pushing it.

          Clinton bashing is part of thier single theme of decisive uncompromised action against an evil foe.

          Our single theme seems to be Accountability for Iraq.
          That's why the Vets Ad works so well.

          •  Sort of... (0+ / 0-)

            ...think longer-term: Hillary.

          •  Agree in part (2+ / 0-)
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            I think they see their vulnerability in a side-by-side comparison between life under Democrats (Clinton) showing peace and prosperity vs. life under the GOP (Bush) war, 9/11 and Katrina.

            This is what was/is about fabricating an alternative history that paints Democrats (Clinton) as being hand-wringers over terrorism. THe reality of course is the exact opposite, but that is the tell n the GOPs m.o. They always run at their own weakness when they project it onto their opponents. Did it with Cleland, with Kerry, with Dean, with any and all who they see as a threat.


            Mitch Gore

            Republicans believe in training Al-Qaeda, but not in training American workers.

            by Lestatdelc on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 12:15:05 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you think blue (0+ / 0-) what the hell are we going to do about Iraq if people vote for us...

        Reparations.  I don't like the idea of big foot slowly pivoting on his big foot and walking away.

    •  I think it is more about immediate needs (16+ / 0-)

      than past failings.  In other words, saying to the people who work at MacDonalds, "The minimum wage will be raised if the Democrats win."

      It is about saying that veterans returning home will finally be given the support and medical treatment worthy of their service and sacrafice.

      We will create one of the greatest economic opportunities for Americans in recent memory by rebuilding the Katrina-crippled Gulf Coast.

      We will work actively towards getting our troops out of Iraq.

      WE will hunt down Osama Bin Laden.

      We will reduce gas prices by delivering an energy policy that reduces our country's reliance on the Middle East.

      We will reduce American's home heating and electricity bills.

      Please note that there is no reference to our opponents in these statements.  I believe we have achieved the goal of telling people what is wrong - they know that - use what precisous little time we have in the MSM not to debate whether or not a problem exists, but to assert the solutions to the problems.

      The Republicans love to trap us in debates about whether or not something is a "civil war" or an "insurgency" - just call it a fiasco and offer an freakin' solution already.

      •  Yes Yes! (12+ / 0-)

        Casey has finally begun to really attack Man on Dog.
        There is much to attack that idiot on. And the dumbass wrote a book which can be diced apart and used.  And Casey  wisely chose a working class married woman who talks about how Santorum said in his book that both parents do not need to work.
        She says something to the effect of and I paraphase...

        I would like Sen. Santorum to come to my house the end of the month and see for himself how we could pay our bills if I did not work

        This woman is a real voter, not a celebrity and not the candidate. She looks like and talks like the average working person in America.
        It has a simple message that is hard for Santorum to refute because he says this stupid shit in his book.

        Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. - Harry S. Truman

        by wishingwell on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:32:50 AM PDT

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      •  Kerry said all that, (9+ / 0-)

        and more. Is it covered by the media? Does it build a narrative? Does it seep into the public discourse?

        No, it's a list of lovely-sounding items, like all politicians offer. "I support veterans." "I'll hunt bin Laden." "I'll impliment a sane, clean, and secure energy policy."

        Well, blah blah blah. Kerry said all of that, and how was he portrayed? A weak-willed flop-flopper who lied to get his Purple Hearts.

        Telling people what's wrong isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about telling them who is to blame. Negative works. Motivate your own base and depress theirs. Sway so-called undecides by giving them a narrative reason to hate Republicans.

        It's not pretty, but it's effective. No more laundry lists!

        Let there be sharks - TracieLynn

        by GussieFN on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:38:16 AM PDT

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        •  incompetence (3+ / 0-)
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          That is the word that resonates. Bumbling. fuck-ups.
          plus crooks.

          We have to hit on the "safety" issue. They are still playing the one note "Be very afraid of Bin laden."

          We have to hit back on what was embodied by Katrina, when their mask slipped for awhile. "They are a bunch of fuckups who have no clue." And America felt very unsafe

          The hacks and fools behind the mask.

          Because if you have an incompetent idiot dad, you arent very safe are you?

          To attack them on their "perceived" strength which is safety we do not have to focus on just Iraq or anti-terrorism.

          We can ask the question:
          "Are you safer than you were 4 years ago?"
          and the answer is no.

          l'shanah haba'ah bi neworleans

          by biscobosco on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:53:25 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with you on narrative for sure. (2+ / 0-)
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          I was plucking out the key sentence in each narrative.

          I also agree that going negative has to be a part of the strategy, but the thing that really drives me crazy lately is that when I see most Dems on TV doing their debate thing, they keep getting caught identifying the negative thing - the GOP counter gets the rest of the time saying that the problem doesn't exist and the segment is over.  I am suggesting that we lede with the solution.  That inevitably leads to the question of what the problem is, but at the same time the problem is given some legitimacy.

          So if I went on one of these things and just said, "Democrats are going to lower household electrcity and heating bills the minute they take over Congress."  The host would immediately say, "How are you going to do that!?"  They don't disagree with the premise that energy bills are too high - they ask how which legitimizes the problem and reduces the debate over whether or not the problem exists.

          I agree with your take on Kerry, but I always felt he spent a lot of time explaining that there is a problem and the nature of the problem and how many people had the problem blah, blah, blah explaining to me - like I don't know - that my power bill has doubled - solutions got completely lost partly because I get simulatneously bored and irritated.  By reversing that information flow and saying "Here is what I want to do to make your life easier... and let me tell you how and why {briefly}..." you get your message across more effectively.

      •  I really have to raise the flag (0+ / 0-)
        on "We will hunt down Osama bin Laden".

        How?  The US military and the CIA is trying now.  What will change?  Will the military and the CIA try "harder"?  (I don't think that's possible, but I could be wrong)

        Also, giving more/better benefits to vets?  I will believe it when I see it.  It's been continually going down over both Dem/Repub administrations.

        Just my jaded opinion on those two points.

        Best regards,

        The Republicans are on a roll. Now they've introduced a resolution that says we stay in Iraq until Ann Coulter joins the Dixie

        by USAFguy on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 12:23:41 PM PDT

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        •  Actually, (1+ / 0-)
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          If we got most of our troops out of Iraq, we could assign quite a few more to the miasma called Afghanistan and probably could catch him. So yes - they could try harder.  Hell we could re-instate the Osama task force because you know there have been several attacks since 9/11 - Bali, London, Madrid and whether or not Osama is able to attack here - the fact that he still can plot and carry out attacks anywhere in the world means he should be captured.

          As for benefits for vets, that is one of my expectations of the Democrats in the event that they get into power.  I am trusting them and if they don't do it they will pay with their careers.  But what I know for sure at this point is that the Republicans will NOT assist veterans so that counts for something too.

          •  I appreciate the explanation (1+ / 0-)
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            of "HOW" capturing bin Laden would happen under your scenario.  Lots of politicos make it sound EASY.  I don't share the opinion that "more" is better in that endeavor, but I've been wrong before.

            On vet benefits:  Vets are a pretty cynical lot (not necessarily pessimistic or optimistic... we just have learned to have low expectations on pre- and post- retirement benefits).   I hope the severely injured get fantastic support...they earned it the hard way... but I have low hopes regarding the rest of us.

            Personally, you and I disagree on many things but you are one of the most civil on the list.

            Best regards,

            The Republicans are on a roll. Now they've introduced a resolution that says we stay in Iraq until Ann Coulter joins the Dixie

            by USAFguy on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:21:43 PM PDT

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            •  Well it is my hope that things will change and (1+ / 0-)
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              for the better.  I appreciate your feeling cynical about Vets benefits and care, but I feel strongly about this issue and I'll do my best to advance the cause.  It isn't personal because the last man in my family to actually go to war went to Korea.  My Dad was in the Army Reserves and miraculously his unit didn't get called up for the Tet Offensive.  In any case, to me it is a critical matter of pricipal.  You have to pay in blood or treasure in a war.  It it the least I can do to give up treasure when others have given up blood.  No matter how wrongly our military has been used, I owe them for their service - we owe them.

              As for Osama, Bush claims that there have been no attacks and that is not true.  No they haven't been here, but the attacks have affected us either way.  Letting terrorists roam free is not a good strategy.  At the very least we could keep them on the run and I say that particularly in light of the new treaty between Pakistan and the Taliban.

              Anyhow, civility is a road to concensus or at the very least good neighborly behavior. :)

          •  I suspect that he is in Pakistan (0+ / 0-)

            probably in a modest suburban detached house or farmhouse.

            Unless the house burns down or his hosts are killed on a grocery buying trip he is not likely to be found.

            His hosts are probably fairly wealthy or may have a reduced income subject to tax.

            His hosts buy more food than they themselves need.

            The house is probably owned by the host since you wouldn't want a landlord to show up.

            The household probably doesn't have children who might talk about their famous guest.

            The house probably has a courtyard where Bin Laden can sun himself or he gets Vitamin D tablets.

            He probably has a doctor visit him as needed.

            The house may be slightly rundown as repairmen and cleaning ladies would not be welcome.

    •  Our own "Talking Points". (2+ / 0-)
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      I say we out-Rove Rove and get our own little stealth attack memes out in the mainstream media. You want to take them down on Iraq and National Security? Here's how:

      • Be current. Capitalize on the "Hitler appeaser" remarks and the rest of that speech by highlighting that the Emperor and his lackey Rummy have no combat experience to judge the experience of War. Just because they caught a special on the Military channel the other night doesn’t mean they can lead a war. No chickenhawk should ever speak on position of authority regarding combat while our men & women in uniform are actively getting their asses shot off in Iraq -- over what, exactly? We're hyper-critical because we went to war on the cheap, illegally & unjustified, with no real international support, draining our treasury, and at the same time mortgaging our kids' future. We dissent, ask for a timetable, and now we're appeasing f***ing terrorists? On what planet do these people live, because down here on Earth it's a very different story? According to an NBC/WSJ poll, 62% believe those remarks were inappropriate. That means 62% of Americans DO NOT associate Iraq with Nazi Germany. And think of the demographic the WSJ serves: The Greatest Generation, the Baby Boomers, the wealthy; the very people the GOP thinks it has under it's (supposed) Big Tent. Strike at them right at the heart of their bullshit rhetoric, and hit them at the demographic they most cater to.
      • Get Angry. How the f*** do they know what war looks like up close? Have they lost a buddy standing right next to them in battle? No. The Dems, especially combat vet Dems should flambeau Rummy every stinking day, Murtha-style. What's wrong with saying "do us all a favor and just shut the f*** up because you know not what the f*** you're talking about." Like Biden did. Like Murtha did. Why can't they all get in on it? Have a spine for our sake, SHEESH. Take the kid gloves off and smack 'em around. They deserve it. Our men and women in uniform want to be respected, they want to come home and be accepted back into society, but most importantly they want to REMAIN ALIVE. And Rummy's failed Iraq plan underscores how severely incompetent a SoD he truly is. Are we going to allow yet another Vietnam to happen to our kids while they fight an unpopular war, and then come home only to be rejected & cast out of society once the tide turns? Haven't we learned anything since then? Vietnam vets most of all should be really, truly furious right about now, seeing what's happening to the veterans of this war with the amount of funding the VA in particular cut recently.
      • Attack them with the Truth. The Bush family fortune itself is suspect regarding the "Hitler appeaser" remarks, and Dubya and 41 have a lot of 'splainin to do over their family's ties to Nazi Germany because their entire lives have been tainted from this blood money, and we are the victims of their ill-gotten privilege and power. Average Joe Sixpack American should know this story, so we need the mainstream media to carry it. Figure out a way to get it on the airwaves, spread it far and wide. It's true, it's not lies, we're not swiftboating anyone, we're merely pointing out that Rummy's remarks were ill-conceived & hypocritical when taken into historical account; the truth is much more awful than Rummy’s fiction.
      • Lambaste them on their Shit (with a capital 'S') foreign policy (what foreign policy?) in relation to terrorists. Hamas elected to 75% of the Palestinian Parliament? Muslim Brotherhood picking up seats in 'moderate' Islamic Egypt? Weren't these the same guys that assassinated Sadat? Hezbollah attacking Israel successfully from Lebanon, pretty much culminating in a stalemate? The mighty Israeli army couldn't eradicate a non-state military militia? All foreign  policy disasters.
      • Tie their failures to a global geopolitical scale. For example, North Korea launching test missiles, one of which can reach the California coast, is clearly not a good sign the U.S. & the South Koreans are containing Kim Jong Il very effectively. Plus we have no valuable intelligence on their nuclear program. All the while the people of North Korea are starving and under the control of a crazy, desperate man. Desperate men do dire deeds. We're stretched thin militarily, we can't pay attention to this guy, what is our plan to contain him? What are we doing in the intelligence community to gain valuable intel on him? The GOP has no plan of any substance at all, but – just like everything else – they’ll choose to ignore him until Seoul goes up in a “giant mushroom cloud” (thanks Condi, only you got the wrong f***ing dictator!!) Dems need a plan but they also need to go on the attack over the GOP’s DANGEROUS, POTENTIALLY FATAL North Korea foreign policy.
      • Summarize, rinse, repeat. Connect the dots. Pound them with it every day. Dubai ports deal, inadequate port security, Iran & Syria buddying up: we’re only strengthening terrorism worldwide each time a new nugget is revealed – and in fact are legitimizing them with our inaction once terrorists make political gains (as aforementioned). The GOP is not fighting a War on Terror effectively at all. Their entire national security strategy & performance thus far gets an ‘F’ for it’s inability to include good, sound foreign policy even to ‘terrorists’ like the Palestinian Authority: financial aid creates jobs and will quell some of the anger by providing hope to an otherwise hopeless situation. It also improves our image. The GOP may say “there hasn’t been an attack on American soil since 9/11” but the reality is it’s a goddamned MIRACLE we haven’t considering all the incompetence.

      Give them a smackdown of epic proportions.

    •  Republicans: Big on Spin - Weak on Results. (1+ / 0-)
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      Pumped and ready for "the rough and tumble competition of the memetic marketplace."

      by sagra on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:23:20 PM PDT

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    •  he could have prevented most of the katrina (0+ / 0-)

      deaths too - the repugs need to hear all of this  loudly because up until now i don't think they have listened at all.

      impeach-it does the body good impeachment-it isn't just for blow jobs anymore impeachment-i can say no more i expect no less

      by playtonjr on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 06:44:21 PM PDT

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  •  That Would Be Nice But It's Against Party Policy (13+ / 0-)

    to suggest that there's anything unusual about today's Republicans. With that as a premise, any question of a serious fight is right off the table.

    Your kind of messaging is heard nowhere except from activists. I'm with you in what I'm doing, to the extent it helps.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 07:18:32 AM PDT

  •  the brutal, smash-mouth truth (21+ / 0-)

    about what the R's are doing to this country on so many levels.  You are right, ko, there is way too much at stake to use any other approach.

    •  it seems like since 9-11 (7+ / 0-)

      Democratic candidates seem so hesitant to go after Republicans. But Republicans campaign on and exploit 9-11 and scare voters to death.

      Democrats need to go after Republicans hard and strong and thus will appear tough and strong.

      I remember the day when smearing, mudslinging campaigns turned off voters. Apparently that has GREATLY changed as evidenced by the past 3 election cycles.

      Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. - Harry S. Truman

      by wishingwell on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:36:24 AM PDT

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  •  Couldn't Agree More (19+ / 0-)

    I sent the link to that VA to the DNC, suggesting that they do this in every god-damned district where a gooper is running for re-election.

    If they voted against decent equipment and body armor for our troops, then we need to hang this around their neck until they sink from the weight of it.

    Add Bush to that anchor and we can't freakin' miss.

    BTW - Ehrlich's running ads in MD, claiming he's unpartisan.  Not a republican't, and not a democrat.  He's trying to play this middle-of-the-road BS and it won't fly.  If the O'Malley Camp is smart, they'll run ads day and night with footage of Ehrlich and Bush.  Tie that bastid around his neck and he'll sink from the weight.

    We've got to take that strategy national.  Dean's 50 state strategy should include this big-time.

    Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. -8.75 / -6.10

    by Alegre on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 07:21:58 AM PDT

  •  I'd love to see it happen! (24+ / 0-)
    All Dems need to learn to speak at the third-grade level, as I did when I taught remedial reading. Not because Americans are stupid, but because they are busy, busy, busy.

    Change four-syllable government / college speak to two- or one-syllable words. Short words are powerful, and more Dems need to learn to use them (as Wes Clark has).

    The VetVotes ad was the absolute best I've seen. Dems should hire whoever made it to help them think clearly about basic things to get the message across.

    If not now, we may never have a chace again.

    Thanks for the great diary!

  •  McDonald's breakfast is the new Confederate flag? (5+ / 0-)
  •  I was checking out the Senate vote that (33+ / 0-)

    Vote Vets used in their ad.  In reality, it could be used on any of the Republican incumbents that are running, as they ALL voted to table Landrieu's amendment, which would have provided the funding for body armor...  Chafee voted to table; Allen voted to table; Conrad Burns voted to table; DeWine; Talent; Santorum; Hutchison; Kyl; Ensign; the list goes on...

    In fact, only one Democrat voted to table.  But that was Zell Miller, so I'm not quite sure he counts...

  •  watched the ad on YourTube, but (27+ / 0-)

    what caught my eye was this comment posted on the video page:

    "You go to war with the draftdodging administration that you have - not the competent administration that you need."

    -7.50,-6.97 | Liberal, and Proud of it.

    by Angie in WA State on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 08:07:14 AM PDT

  •  It's time to call bulls**t on the R's (8+ / 0-)

    What I wouldn't give to hear a Dem call out the Repubs on their lying crap. Call it what it is for gods sake, get mad, be clear. Jeez, we are supposed to be the OPPOSITION party-let's be shout it out about exactly what we oppose. Which is pretty much everything the administration has done...

  •  I wish I could recommend (20+ / 0-)

    this 100 times, Kid Oakland.  I wish I could take every Dem wringing their hands over the attacks coming from the Reds or whining about how the media isn't FAIR and make them read this again and again until they get it.  You don't win by cowering.  You don't win by whining.  You don't win by walking right into the trap - Dems are weak - that has been laid for us.  
    Get Loud.  Get Angry.  We are right, about everything.  Point it out.  Get attention.  Media doesn't cover it?  Get attention.  Do what you gotta do.  
    Go on Offense.  Get off Defense.  Quit reacting to the bullshit charges coming from the Rove machine.  

    •  Make Republicans regret every rubberstamp vote. (5+ / 0-)
      US:  Last chance for a Democracy.
      Them:  Last chance to avoid Federal/World Courtdate.

      I can't do links, but I read somewhere that if you vote Republican your penis will fall off. No shit!

      by cosette on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:28:11 AM PDT

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    •  Stop with politicians and pundits; talk to people (7+ / 0-)

      Real, every day people. They really want change but don't necessarily see that the dems are any different. We have moved so far to the center that we have become indistinguishable from out opponents.

      Make the choice at the election booth something everyone's future -- and their grandkids' futures -- depends on. Facts are fine but way too many people don't know where those facts lead.

      Paint a picture of two futures. Call the bullshit about where the republican policies will take the average American.  Appeal to their hearts as well as their heads.

      We need some righteous anger and divine inspiration.

      •  There you go. (6+ / 0-)
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        And quit calling them stupid!  A lot of them don't vote precisely because they fear they really are stupid.  They don't want to make a mistake.  I've been talking to some nonvoters around here, and this is appalling.  These people take voting VERY seriously.  And they've heard, from both sides, that they're not very smart.  Believe me, this is no way to reach anyone, let alone win "hearts and minds."  They're busy, they feel overwhelmed, they don't get full information, but they aren't stupid.  They know things are seriously screwed up, but have no idea how to make it better.  Let's show 'em, okay?

        •  I gave the woman who cuts my hair an earful... (4+ / 0-)
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          She happened to mention the ABC disaster, TPT911, and the words just poured forth from me.  I guess that's what happens when one reads dkos several hours a day...

          Anyway, one of the things I said is that it is impossible to get through life without trusting someone.  You have to trust in order to survive.  Most people don't have time to read every newspaper or read things online for hours a day.  So they naturally rely on whatever information they do get.  But what happens when most of what they hear is not the truth?

          I let her know about the way we (usually) keep eachother honest around here, insisting on links, multiple sources if possible, etc.  So that although this is a left-leaning site, I feel that I get a lot of truthful information here.  Information that I can verify.

    •  long fund raising email from the DNC today (4+ / 0-)

      Some snipped bits:


      We're sick of playing defense against a Republican leadership that thinks nothing of using the national security issue in the game of political partisanship. We are not going to be pushed around, spun, or defamed by right-wing extremists or those whom they use to disseminate their propaganda.

      So we're going to go on the offense -- telling the truth and never backing down against the smear tactics of those who have failed to make our country safer.

      We have a plan to take that message to voters between now and Election Day with person-to-person outreach in all 50 states. We have staff on the ground ready to take a strong Democratic security message to voters -- supporting candidates up and down the ballot and spreading the word that it's time for a change.

      We're going to fight for the Democratic vision on national security -- will you make a donation to help fund the plan?


      We're strong, we're right, and the people know it. Now let's get our message our to voters in all 50 states. Can you donate to help make it happen?

      Republicans have won two elections since 9/11 by instilling fear in people, and they're trying to do it again this year.

      But it's not going to work. The President's foreign policies have failed. Iraq is sliding into civil war. Iran and North Korea are more dangerous than they were five and a half years ago. And a Taliban resurgence poses new threats in Afghanistan.

      People have had enough. This administration cannot be trusted with our security.


      Let's get this message out to Americans who need to hear it:

      When it comes to national security, the Republicans have not led.

      We will.

      Thank you,

      Tom McMahon
      Executive Director
      Democratic National Committee

      Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

      by bumblebums on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:40:26 AM PDT

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  •  Under 40? Over 40? Means dick! (28+ / 0-)

    Age and ageism sets up a false dichotomy, even though Bowers is on the right track.

    In my personal experience, there is a split in perceptions. In my not so humble opinion, that split does not depend so much on age, but, as Bowers rightly points out, perceptions vary directly with those who do field work and those who do not.

    People who do field work talk to more voters, and hear more and more widely varying points of view. People who do not do field work tend to be more passive receptors of information.

    I am older than 60, and I am a field nerd. I bang doors, phone bank, update voter files, and raise money. I believe that every race is tight, and I agree with Kid Oakland that GOP office holders must be held personally responsible for the failures of this administration.

    But don't make it an age thing. A whole lot of people in a whole lot of age groups are full of shit out there, and I know a lot of people who have achieved that status at a very early age.

    "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

    by Ivan on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 08:52:20 AM PDT

  •  Damn straight. (3+ / 0-)

    Although breakfast is the only meal I'll eat at McDonalds.

  •  When getting real goes right (12+ / 0-)

    Your "eating breakfast at McDonald's" analogy is priceless.  I used to pop into a McDonald's for breakfast in downtown Baltimore years ago (when I lived there, and was overweight) and the regulars were always in there reading the Sun and talking about politics.

    Great diary.  Really wish we got more Kid Oakland these days.

    Pakistan is harboring bin Laden. What now, Mr. President?

    by The Termite on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 08:56:28 AM PDT

    •  i have to agree (1+ / 0-)
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      it's the most sensible statement in this diary. it provides a vivid, personalizable image of the hard pressed american adult -- squeezed by $$, time, and choices.

      at the same time, images and metaphors get low mileage. they're easily appropriated and manipulated -- like statistics, percentages opposed to absolute whole numbers. they're also impossible to own, because too many ordinary americans take their visual "culture" for granted: where verification of the person is the same as an exhibition of the personality.

      mediocrity is the "reality" to which several generations are accustomed, tho they may aspire to so much more.

      the diarist is correct: tipping points will obtain when dems abandon tacit agreements to limit discourse to "issues", metaphorical comparisons and future outcomes. they need to verify publicly the past performance and authenticy of their opponents --

      how much $$, how much time, which choices.

      Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

      by MarketTrustee on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:48:19 AM PDT

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  •  Essential point! Thanks, KO. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    "Control of the initiative is control of the battle. In the alley, at the poker table or in politics. One must raise." David Mamet

    by coral on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 08:58:47 AM PDT

  •  Republicans = Death = Debts. (9+ / 0-)



    Their PARTY.


    The Bush Administration has allowed people to be killed under false pretense and for ignoble reasons.  I know no better definition of heinous.

    by Yellow Canary on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 08:59:47 AM PDT

  •  I'm in Memphis visiting from Olympia (6+ / 0-)

    and the ladies about town I've been face to face with don't give a damn about reality.  They have equated Bush with Christ and a certain lifestyle that doesn't afford looking at people with hard circumstances with any mercy.  "W The President" stickers still tag SUVs and knowledge is out of the question.

    Democrats need to come out hard and swinging.  We need to speak and be as visceral as our message is.  Maybe then we can crack these stubborn and hard skulls.

  •  Backbone (11+ / 0-)

    Establishment dems have decided that democrats are better suited in the minority until 2008... I am ABSOLUTELY convinced of this...

    They deploy Senator Kennedy or one or 2 other senior dems to tepidly criticize the "path to 9/11" Rovian slander...

    Damage is now done and Rove is right on schedule... our response just put us on the defensive.

    If Establishment dems who have the ear of the national media were to talk shit back, it would AMAZE the republicans and the media... they are so in bed with corporate interests that they didn't even manage a small squeak when Rove deployed his dirty tricks this time around...

    fucking pathetic.  

    what are they waiting for?!?!?!?  if you talk shit, that is free advertising because the media will run it!  Ask Rove, he knows ALL about it.

    •  I'm afraid you're right. (3+ / 0-)
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      I can hear the arguments now:

       The Bush will still be President

       The Republicans are unified and will oppose everything

       The Democrats aren't unified and even a majority may not be enough

       The Democrats will be blamed in 2008 if we lead Congress.  Better let the Republicans get all the blame in 2008.

      I'm so disappointed I can hardly stand it.

  •  Yes (4+ / 0-)

    I am a firm advocate of Democrats going on the offensive.  But our Party leaders are just so hamfisted when they try and spineless all of the other time.  Have you ever noticed that when they do go on the offensive their body language betrays that they would rather not?  There are few instances that I can remember when a Democrat was angry and in attack mode and did not look uncomfortable.

    It's like when you are in a competitive enterprise: put your fear away and go at it 100%.  Democrats seem to think that this is a board game and not a full contact sport.

    Lobbyists need Republicans like pimps need whores.

    by electricgrendel on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:11:25 AM PDT

  •  Whatever the age of the voter (5+ / 0-)

    They will respect Democratic candidates who have backbones and stand up to GOP lies. They will not respect wimps who merely smile and are afraid of offending anyone.

  •  even the Brits are aggressive... in Parliament (1+ / 0-)
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    if even the ever-polite British can call one another on the carpet in Parliament, then surely, surely, the Dems can finally start calling a spade a spade.  

    you hear the "Dems are weak on national security" meme ramping up again, but where are the Dems in response to this? I feel almost desperate because I still hear no real response.  I know this theme is a total lie, all progressives do, but does the 3-40% that doesn't vote?  

    there should be a clear, concise, ORGANIZED response that includes an ATTACK on the Rs' totally failed "policy", the Rs continuing desire to paralyze our citizens with fear, and the Rs' demonstrated total inability to actually improve things - which is the segue to the "here's what Dems will do for this country" themes that ALSO need to be presented.  attacks alone won't win this.  even Dean is disappointing me because he seems to only attack, but as to the Dem plan, speaks in such generalities.  name some specifics!  if they're not quite perfect, we'll hammer out the details in Congress, but name some specifics to say, here's our "to-do" list once we get back in control.

    No matter how cynical you become ... you can never keep up.

    by LegalSpice on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:13:38 AM PDT

    •  You need both (1+ / 0-)
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      You need to say that they were bad, but you need to say why you are better.

      I recall my Tai Chi instructor (a long time ago) saying the way you beat an opponent is to use their strength against them when they attack you.

      -6.5, -7.59. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

      by DrWolfy on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:23:33 AM PDT

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  •  This Over-40 Democrat (9+ / 0-)

    This over-40 Democrat says, "Damn straight".

    Had a conversation with a 40-something friend who is a consistent Democrat and says that the Democrats don't have a plan.  Well, Democrats do but people don't know it.  And more importantly they don't see the contrast between the Democratic plan and the Republicans' performance.

    And if you are appealing to the McDonalds crowd who are the captive audiences for CNN or Fox on the fast-food restaurant's TV, those ads must be visual with big subtitles.  The sound is not always audible on those TVs.

    •  Gee, I'm in the over-50 crowd... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...and I'm not the least bit confused about any of it. They're criminals and thoroughly evil ones at that. Evil and politics does like to stroll hand-in-hand, so this is what they mean when they say "lesser of evils."

      Dems don't have much trouble getting rid of the lowlife scum operating in their name. Republicans don't even know they've got any.

      Satan himself had a 33% approval rating even as he was booted out of heaven.

      by Joy Busey on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:59:47 AM PDT

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  •  People want them to do that... (6+ / 0-)

    ...for proof, just look at the three special commentaries given by Keith Olbermann over the past two weeks.

    People want the Dems to start fighting back like they want to win, not like they want to educate. Not that their is anything wrong with educating, but you don't bring a book to a gunfight.

    •  People don't want to be educated.... (8+ / 0-)

      They don't want to be spoken down to...

      They don't want to not feel smart...

      So, by bringing a book and attempting to "school them" you turn them right off.

      I was talking to a grad student of mine yesterday, and this seems to have stuck.

      "For people to believe in and follow an idea, they have to think they came up with it themselves"

      -6.5, -7.59. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

      by DrWolfy on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:21:39 AM PDT

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      •  I disagree about educating ... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...The body armor ad is highly educational. It's not educating that's bad, it's how this is done. I'll guess most voters who see that ad would be left gasping, with their lower jaw on the floor after seeing that ad. I sure wish there was $20 million in television buys for that one and five more with the same knockout punch.

        See? Republican votes put these bullets into our soldiers.

        •  People like "feeling educated" (0+ / 0-)

          They just don't like feeling you are "schooling" them.

          It is a very educataional ad, but it doesn't make people feel dumb for not knowing it.

          That's the problem with many democrat messages, it starts off with the "I'm so smart, and I'm going to tell you why you're not".

          -6.5, -7.59. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

          by DrWolfy on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 04:23:42 AM PDT

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  •  Ohhhh... the ad: (9+ / 0-)

    The ad's tone is aggressive from the start. It opens with Peter Granato, an Army reservist who served in Iraq in 2003, standing in a desert holding an AK-47 assault rifle. He fires the weapon at two mannequins, one outfitted with a Vietnam-era flak jacket, the other wearing modern body armor.

    "The difference is life," Granato says, opening the new bulletproof vest to show an unscathed mannequin, "or death," he says, opening the old vest to reveal four bullet holes.

    "Senator George Allen voted against giving our troops this," Granato says, holding one of the new vests up to the camera. "Now it's time for us to vote against him."

  •  To the extent (0+ / 0-)
    that you are saying we need to refer to GOP malfeasance, in order to contextualize what we would do differently , I'd agee --and this does go back to an earlier diary regarding the Democratic Party's ability to put forward its own agena or "plan."  We must give the voter somethng to vote for,  not simply soething to vote against.  If that's what you mean by getting real, great.

    I always thought we could do it had we the right spokesperson to be constantly out front on this.  Surely, we have such a leader . . .

    . . . we just can't agree upon whom that person is.

  •  YES - YES - YES - FIGHT of our lives... N-O-W (4+ / 0-)

    Both parties feed from the same corporate trough.  So then, WHY aren't Dems fighting, filibustering, etc.  

    They will not GAIN ANY RESPECT if they timidly sit back and play into Rove's hand. Do they want to "play nice" forever - while our Country & our World goes down the drain?  Are they THAT SELFISH after all?

    Is it the money, wiretaps, corporate media propaganda?

    What about their oath of office to our Constitution?  Bill of Rights?  THE PEOPLE?  The PEOPLE want & need to know the TRUTH.


    If the Dems only stood up for TRUTH - with HARD HITTING FACTS - like the non-safe  bulletproof vest ad --- that shows how SHALLOW the SLOGAN of the radical r's "support the troops" really is.  

    TODAY and the next few days is all WE THE PEOPLE have.

    WTF are they waiting for?  TODAY - WE NEED THEM - NOW.

    “I think it's important to realize that when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly           halfway between them.

    It is possible for one side to be simply wrong.”  

    • Richard Dawkins

  •  That Ad is the best (4+ / 0-)
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    political ad I've ever seen.


    Fuck, run this thing in every district!

  •  I'm 53 (21+ / 0-)

    And I've been pissed off far longer than many of you have been alive.

    Today's thugs are simply the culmination of a 60 year effort by the Plutocracy to turn this country into their own provate third wolrld shit hole, armed to the teeth and totally under their control.

    This is a reaction that began with FDR's efforts to implement some modest justice in America and went into hyper-drive when the 60's scared the shit out of the ruling elite- "My GHAWD! Gentleman we're in real danger of DEMOCRACY breaking out in our fiefdoms!"

    Since then it has been all their way and we are sieeing the results- it's not that they "mis-manage" or are "incompetent", their aim is and has always been to destruction of this nation as it could have been and ensuring it becomes nothiing but a base for projecting the oligarchs' power throughout the world. An ignorant and thoroughly psy-ops befuddled population funding a bloated military used exclusively to bash heads internationally to further the twisted aims of our elite.

    Thsi has been a fascist country for a long time. They no longer feel they even need to hide it behind a Potemkin "Democracy".

    •  I'm 51 and I'm with Dave (6+ / 0-)

      You could see this coming from a mile away. The oldest GOP creeps are still mad about FDR. The younger ones (like Bush and his ilk) are getting revenge for the 60s. Altogether, it's a plan to "take back America" and give it to the white, rich, important people.

      While we have done the dance on issues, the Republicans have:

      1. Trashed the word "liberal" and "Democrat."
      1. Started so many fallacious "think tanks" with serious sounding names that no one knows they're full of dangerous, partisan shills.
      1. Gerrymandered every district it got its hands on.
      1. Sullied the reputations of the more decent of our recent leaders -- Carter, Clinton, etc. While doing so, they elevated Reagan to the demiGod status.
      1. Co-opted dupes to use for its purposes, like Christian churches, black elected officials like Powell and Blackwell, and others.
      1. Either bought outright, bribed, or paid media to tout its message and give venue to its most vitriolic shills.
      1. Reduced political discourse to irrationality and invective. We have no more fact-based analysis.

      It is the most sustained and dangerous attack on this country in my lifetime.

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by JuliaAnn on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:31:58 AM PDT

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      •  And I'm with you (2+ / 0-)
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        Well said! (Note to self- must proof before posting must proof before posting must proof before posting. . .)

      •  I'm 51 and I totally agree (2+ / 0-)
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        I wonder if we'll still be alive when the pendelum finally swings back. That's why I'm trying to get it through my kids' heads how important it is to get involved.

        •  I'm with all of you folks (0+ / 0-)

          My kids are Libruls like me. Thank ghod or I'd have to send 'em back. ;) Like the rest of you in this sub-thread of Dave925's...I've seen too much shit already. I talk about politics (i.e. LIFE) all the my friends, acquaintances, strangers. I talk about what's going on (mostly using humor) in supermarket lines, every store, everywhere I can...nobody is safe. I just won't shut up. It's a matter of life and death.
          I'd like SOMETHING left for my sons to inherit of this earth that hasn't been DESTROYED by greedy bastards masquerading as Republicans. These are NOT the Republicans we were up against decades ago. These are fucking MONSTERS.
          Time to drag that pendulum BACK from the fascists!


  •  Figures lie and liars figure (3+ / 0-)

    There's a tremendous body of work out there on how much the Bush Crime Family has cost the United States in terms of real dollars.  The simple fact that the ceiling on the national debt has been raised quietly time and time again, and now approaches $10 TRILLION dollars should be a major economic stick with which to whack the GOP.


    Why, stacked end to end, that's enough $20 bills to reach from here to.......Uranus.

    All Spin Zone : Progressive Politics Writ Large

    by Richard Cranium on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:37:08 AM PDT

  •  Make it Explicit (4+ / 0-)
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    The Vote Vets ad is great. It uses the visual aspect of TV. Since I have some creative juices here is an idea. Imagine an ad setup like this:

    A white background (think Apple ad)

    On walks our Democratic candidate from the left and a workman brings out a cardboard cutout of the Republican from the right.

    Have the candidate list off some issues and then have a visual representation:

    Tax cuts for the rich: have some average looking Americans walk in behind the Candidate, have a Paris Hilton impersonator walk in behind the cutout.

    Oil Company give aways: have the workman bring in a solar panel behind the Candidate (or have a person walk in with a seabird, like those seen covered in oil) and then have another workman cart in an open barrel of oil (if they can get it to slosh on the cutout when they put it down all the better).

    No bid Iraq contracts: have some Iraq veterans walk in behind the Candidate and then back a pickup overflowing with money behind the cutout with the word Halliburton painted on the side.

    Warrentless Wiretapping: have the workman bring in the constitution on an easel by the Candidate and then have another workman put a cutout of President Bush beside the Republican cutout (if you can get a Bush cutout with its arm out so that it looks like it has its arm around the Republican cutout that's better)

    Lobbyist money: have some regular people walk in behind the Candidate (perhaps holding things that represent everyday intrests) and then drop a big bag of money in front of the cutout with the word lobbyists printed on it.

    I'm sure there are other ideas. At the end have the Candidate say, "Who's standing up for you, and who is standing up for the special interests?" or something like that.

    Happy Thursday!

  •  Maybe Dems should meet & greet at McD's (1+ / 0-)
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    When I was a kid I remember JFK (and RFK, for that matter) standing at the corner shaking hands with voters climbing out of the subway stations. There were spontaneous (seemed like it at least but I was a kid) demonstrations with hand-made signs supporting the candidates "in the neighborhood."

    TV is not a trusted medium. Americans know that.  

    > 518,000 American children are in foster care. Got any bandwidth?

    by kck on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 09:57:18 AM PDT

    •  McD's is as American as the KKK. (1+ / 0-)
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      and if a Democrat stood in front of it for a political rally... I'd spit in their face.

      •  Sorry, (2+ / 0-)
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        this sounds like the holier-than-thou attitude that gives liberalism a bad name.
        I'm no fan of McD's but we have to go where the voters are or we'll never get them.

        "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat." -- Will Rogers

        by Allogenes on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:24:19 AM PDT

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        •  Please don't encourage him (0+ / 0-)

          The last thing we need is to incite an angry Dem to go spitting at people at McDs. He should hold his spit until after the election.

          > 518,000 American children are in foster care. Got any bandwidth?

          by kck on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:28:02 AM PDT

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      •  What? Have you ever had a Sausage McMuffin? (0+ / 0-)

        Please don't spit at me but can you explain the connection between McD's and the KKK? I only ever eat breakfast - take out. Maybe I'm missing something important....

        > 518,000 American children are in foster care. Got any bandwidth?

        by kck on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:25:45 AM PDT

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      •  So, if JFK was pressing the flesh at McDs (0+ / 0-)

        you would spit on JFK?

        > 518,000 American children are in foster care. Got any bandwidth?

        by kck on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:29:25 AM PDT

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    •  No Way I Go to Mickey-Fickey's! (1+ / 0-)
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      Although I was hooked on it as a child (first thing I wanted to see at age 10 when I returned to US after a year abroad), I have boycotted McDuff's for 3 years now thanks to the book Fast Food Nation.

      I'll meet them at their house, their church, their gun show, their NASCAR track, their Wal Mart parking lot.  Anywhere but Mickey D's.

      "when i cruise the information superhighway, i CTRL-BREAK for hallucinations."

      by emobile on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:37:26 PM PDT

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    •  Remember Bubba? (3+ / 0-)
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      or at least the SNL skit with him going into McDonald's to talk people up, then eating their food?  Stick with what works.  If there's one thing Clinton knows, it's connecting with people.

      (-7.25, -5.85) "Talk amongst yourselves. The Christian Right: neither Christian nor right. Discuss." --Linda Richman

      by Slartibartfast on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:12:39 PM PDT

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  •  You're demanding Hillary Clinton "get real?" (0+ / 0-)

    You might as well ask Ahnold to get real...

    or Tom Cruise.

    As if they have any idea what reality looks like.

    Hillary Clinton eating an Egg McMuffin....?

    Are you friggin joking?

    Establishment Dems are political trash and basically worthless for the rebranding of our Party.

    That must be left to the progressive up an comers, and particularly the Iraq vets.

    But corporate stooges like Hillary Clinton shouldn't be "acting real" or doing much of anything else in my opinion.

    Establishment Dems like Hillary are dinosaurs, dead meat, old news, and most of what they have to say... should they start saying it... we don't want to be said. Last thing we need is Hillary and Kerry at McDonalds trying to "act" like something they aint.

    And that's real.

  •  Framing the Election with George Lakoff - Free (0+ / 0-)

    George Lakoff is a master at reframing and teaching people to speak in ways that connect with voters.

    Event Title: Framing the Election with George Lakoff
    Event Type: Conference Call

    Organized by: DFA Night School

    DFA Night School is our online training program. In this session Professor George Lakoff, author of Don't Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate, will help you develop a message that can sway voters at the deepest levels and motivate them to vote.

  •  It's so obvious (5+ / 0-)

    The question is why hasn't this happened. The Republican record is SOOO bad that this is just plain easy to do. That 30-second vets ad encapsulates it all.

    You could do it with:

    Marianas Islands...

    "[GOP Senator name here] voted against holding firms in the U.S. Marianas Islands to the same worker protection and wage laws in the United States. As a result, female workers there are still subject to forced prostitution and forced abortions. What kind of family values are these.""

    College loans...

    "[GOP senator name here] voted in favor cutting Pell grants and increasing the interest rate on college loans, at the same  time that state college tuitions across the country are skyrocketing..."

    Energy policy...

    "[GOP senator here] voted in favor of President Bush's energy bill, which gave oil companies like Exxon and Chevron billions and billions of dollars in tax breaks. And now those same companies are reporting record profits, while most Americans are having to use more and more of their paychecks to get back and forth to work or take their kids to soccer practice."

    It's so easy. The facts are all out there. Just state them simply.

    Life is too short to eat undelicious food. Sample a Lusty Bit @

    by Whigsboy on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:24:55 AM PDT

  •  Keep the message short... (11+ / 0-)

    This is your brain. (actor holds up egg)
    This is your brain on drugs. (actor cracks egg into hot skillet)

    This was a very effective ad campaign. Everyone can tell you the next line...the next image...everyone remembers or knows this ad.

    This is your country.(visuals of baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, etc)

    This is your country being run by Republicans. (visuals of gas prices, war, flag-draped coffins, the deficit, Katrina, etc)

    Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear. - Ambrose Redmoon

    by MNW on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:26:37 AM PDT

  •  Here's where Dems must start: (4+ / 0-)

    "9/11 happened on George Bush's watch. He blew it."

    If they don't go after Bush's strongest point, and greatest vulnerability, nothing else they say or do will matter.

    The pet goat drowned in New Orleans.

    by thinkdouble on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:35:06 AM PDT

  •  Here's one for ya: (10+ / 0-)

    Brought to you by the "Stealth Patriots" -- currently, an army of 1.


    Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
      Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
    Tempest even in reason's seat.

    by GreyHawk on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:40:12 AM PDT

  •  Hey, I eat breakfast at McDonald's (1+ / 0-)
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    #3 no meat, with a milk.

    Hate them for everything else they do but they make a mean portable breakfast.

    Osama bin Laden? Osama been livin' in Pakistan and the admin ain't done a damn thing about it.

    by nightsweat on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 10:42:11 AM PDT

  •  If the terrorists are a nest of hornets (1+ / 0-)
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    It sure ain't the Democrats out in the yard throwing rocks and sticks at the nest 24/7/365.

  •  We all know this administration (1+ / 0-)
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    is little more than a criminal cabal masquerading as a political party. And we know that bush and his band of henchmen should not only be impeached but should be tried at the Hague. Even so, when I opened the WSJ this morning and read that bush has enjoyed a "modest" bump in the polls following his current "tour of terror" I began to wonder if the real enemy in this country isn't bush, but the fucking lazy, petulant, spoiled Americans who are complicit for not only permitting, but often supporting this administration's numerous crimes.

  •  MARY LANDRIEU must have heard you... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...either that, or the ghost of Ann Richards took possession of her for a few hours today.

    Landrieu stated flat-out that the "boneheaded Republican leadership" is wasting $6.5 billion and untold lives a month in Iraq when the war on terror was in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia!

  •  I could not agree ... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...more, KO.

    Democrats need about 5 ads with the punch of the one you link. It is, in my opinion, one of the best political ads of all time, not a smear, and it doesn't equivocate. If that kind of talk doesn't persuade the fence-straddlers to abandon the Republicans, what will?

    What I am concerned about is after the election. If Dems wins, will "we" win because there will be enough of them to keep the rest from playing GOP patsies the way too many have been doing since September 12, 2001?

  •  For those who missed it the first time around.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Mr Populist's diary, Madison Ave. Ad Exec Reveals How GOP Wins Elections  (and advice for what the Dems need to do now.)

    Vote Jerry McNerney for Congress CA-11

    by RainyDay on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:41:49 AM PDT

  •  Because of Bush's war based on lies (0+ / 0-)

    [show scenes of destroyed neighborhoods, torture pictures, etc. then show a picture of a cute little kid] your kid owes $30,000.  Where's that going to come from?
    Vote for Democrats this November.

    "The Universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Marcus Aurelius

    by Mosquito Pilot on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:44:27 AM PDT

    •  Even if you just show (2+ / 0-)
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      the difference caused by Bush, it will still be something like $10-15,000.  I agree that simply $30,000 is more effective, but leaves it more open to attack.  

      How about a cartoon of Bush stealing $30,000 out of a stroller and handing it through a limousine window, or doing it over and over to a bunch of kids and rolling a wheelbarrow full of cash into Halliburton HQ.

      (-7.25, -5.85) "Talk amongst yourselves. The Christian Right: neither Christian nor right. Discuss." --Linda Richman

      by Slartibartfast on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:29:44 PM PDT

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  •  If we can't stand up to the Republicans... (0+ / 0-)

    how can we stand up to the terrorists?

    (Ok I'm being snarky because only the Republicans are a real threat.)

    •  That is a very real assumption. (0+ / 0-)

      And as someone from the over 40 crowd, who actually remembers all those elections mentioned in the article, the dem loses were always about them not fighting back. It was always about whose team do you want to be on in the playground. Starting in the 70's dems just couldn't figure out how to fight back in a way that people would relate to. They never took the lessons of Paul Wellstone, and unfortunately they still aren't. I saw the vets ad last night and it blew me away. Dems- TAKE A LESSON

      To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men~~ Abraham Lincoln

      by Tanya on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:02:27 PM PDT

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  •  Nauseating Nuance (0+ / 0-)

    The quick message is what we need, both negative and positive.

    For example, how are going to protect America? Get bin Laden, not Hussein. Protect our ports, not War Criminals.  Secure our borders, not Halliburton’s shareholders.

    Editorials are where authors use arguments to draw conclusions.  Ads and campaign speeches need to fire people up.  Ads and campaign speeches need to be clear as to what side you are on.  You can have position papers and the like that address issues in detail, but you run the danger that the opposition will grab on to some nuanced detail to bash you.  If they complain you have no plan or detail, counter attack with the punchy our side their side line.

    I’m tired of Democrats using their superior intellect to obscure the issues in nauseating nuance detail.  You want to connect with people who eat at McDonalds?  Better be ready to sound like a menu of good and bad eats.

    The message for a generation of Democratic control is simply that the neocons are all about war, the military solves all problems, and no concern with Americas real problems.  The message is "look at the disaster these neocons have created".  And once the Rs are braded as neocons the liberal brand doesn’t look so bad.


    Do the right thing 'casue it feels better.

    by John Boy on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 12:01:24 PM PDT

  •  The two faces of the Republican pa;rty (1+ / 0-)
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    On fighting terror, they are keystone cops.

    On getting elected, they are razer sharp sharks.

    We know ehich face we are seeing now,

    which face will we see in 3 months if they win (cut to Bush eating cake during Katrina)

  •  What are we going to do now? (1+ / 0-)
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    1. We are going to committ ourselves to capturing Osama Bin LAden and Iman Al-Zawahiri. No questions asked, and we will not stop until we've got them. Bush and Rumsfeld had 5 years to do this and blew it.
    1. We are going to committ to controlling the Debt by reversing the tax buts on the richest 1%. Bush has had 5 years to prove that his tax strategy would rescur the economy, and all it has done is drive us into record breaking debt.
    1. We are going to restore basic public services. The Republicans have cut services nationally and locally to the point where they don't exist. This is a local issue, and every Democratic candidate should have the list of what has been cut, and what has been restored.
    1. We will return the government to its place of working for the people be reinstating accountability. That means real investigations, and real reports about mistakes.

    You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

    by dnamj on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:03:58 PM PDT

  •  As I sit here (2+ / 0-)
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    listening to the Senate on CSpan where the Republicans are about to table an amendment that would require scanning of 100% of all cargo containers in 4 years, I wonder how we let the Republicans speak out of both sides of their mouths. If GWB is most concerned about keeping us safe and the number one fear is of a smart bomb or an atomic bomb coming in through our ports, how can they say they want to keep us safe?  Their objection to this amendment is that it could interrupt commerce.  So commerce in their eyes is more important than the safety of the American people.  Is this a talking point for the Democrats or am I missing something here?

  •  Does anyone sometimes wonder as I do, (0+ / 0-)

    when the Democrats fail to really attack when the opportunity to do so seems so blindingly obvious, that you'd swear there was no way in hell they could avoid seeing it?
    Or, no matter how anti-democratic, blatantly criminal or even downright barbaric the action by this Administration, no one from either party offers more than (at most) token resistance.
    I mean say what you want about spineless Dems, or Rhinos who fear losing their comfy sinecures. These are not monsters, nor are they stupid, having children and grandchildren certainly they, like all people, must worry about the kind of world they will inherit, so what gives?

    Is it fear? (Senator, that package of anthrax you were expecting has arrived.)

    Or is it blackmail à la J. Edgar Hoover? Why else would they not seek warrants that were in the past virtually never refused?  (FISA Judge: WHAT?! Threat my ass!! I will not grant your request for a warrant to wiretap Senator Snowe's office!)

    I can't imagine any other reason for the lack of significant action on the part of Congress. Am I nuts?

    Behold the Lambs of Kos

    by greeseyparrot on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:43:29 PM PDT

  •  It's the McMessage, stupid. (2+ / 0-)
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    Democrats need to connect with folks who eat breakfast at McDonalds.

    Couldn't agree more.

    That body armour was straight-to-the point, and not timid.

    This line intentionlly left blank.

    by BentLiberal on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:18:33 PM PDT

  •  Its too bad that Dems are just now deciding (1+ / 0-)
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    to get real

    55 days left in this election cycle and Dems are still coming up with a strategy on what to do to win.

    This is unreal.

    Dems have needed to get a back bone in 2004. We are in 2006, get real.

    Boy I feel real down about the chances for Dems right now..

    With the media in the pocket of the GOP and commentators like Nora ODonnell openly have pep rallies for the GOP on Hardball now.

    The propoganda is so thick it is unbelieveable.

  •  About the Vote Vets ad (0+ / 0-)
    It's perfect, like you say. If I remember it's aimed at VA's Allen. But we know 98% of Republicans voted with Bush 98% of the time (approximate numbers.)

    That means it's not only Allen who voted against the improved body-armor, it's almost each and every Republican. The ad cites its source as Senate Vote #116, 108th Congress first session. Someone with savvy should be able to find who voted for or against that. I don't know if a similar vote was taken in the House. (if you haven't seen the ad you can see it here )

    Those with the contacts and skills should follow the "Have You Had Enough" model which is being recreated for each race, with the appropriate Republican's name placed in it for each election.

    I honestly think the Vote Vet ad could swing a meaningful percentage of people from non-voters to voters, and Republican voters to, at least, stay-at-homers.

    (in searching for the "had enough" link I came across a Sen Landrieu address in the Senate, using the best tag I've heard for Republitic conduct of the war boneheaded leadership

    What's the anthrax terrorist doing for fun these days. September 18th marks five years of freedom.

    by Jim P on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 05:57:12 PM PDT

  •  you are right, but... (0+ / 0-)

    sadly it might never happen.

  •  OK, I'll finishe my PCO flyer (0+ / 0-)

    and hit the streets.

    A LaRouchie is running against me! So I gotta fight the good fight.

    Rah, Rah! Ree!  

    Whack 'em in the ... well, walk around with my little "vote Me" flyers, anyway.

    Good thing I know every person who lives on the block.

    Be good to each other. It matters.

    by AllisonInSeattle on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 06:27:58 PM PDT

  •  "being weak on terrorists" (0+ / 0-)

    or, as I like to think of it, the "Sonny Corleone approach".  And we all know what happened to Sonny, don't we. It was Michael, and his more finely layered approach to the enemy that actually won the day, now, wasn't it???

    How about "remember Sonny" as a battle cry?

    too heavy on the metaphor?  probably...

    oh well, that's what a life at the cinema will get you, I guess.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 07:09:26 PM PDT

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