The next time I read another diary calling for civility, I will puke. Yesterday's contretemps were such an exercise in blatant sanctimonious hypocrisy that I can not stand it.
Let's be clear. I have always believed all this bullshit about civility was nothing but people bitching about people who did not agree with them. And yesterday's diary thread is proof positive.
After yesterday's display, only the most shameless of you will argue this point again. The diary. Why did I not link? To make a point. I was attacked because I criticized the diary for not providing links.
Consider the diarist who complained about lack of civility for one diarist (some like Rena said it was NOT just about the one diarist. I think it is clear NOW that is was not even about that one thread.)
Here is what the diarist wrote:
I have some suggestions for those who have no tolerance for people like X - if you can't find it in your heart to post something positive, or kind, or encouraging..... SHUT THE FUCK UP!
I think it is now obvious that the diarist only wants "something positive" for X, and no one else. How do I know, because of this:
I cannot believe you (34+ / 4-)
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Trollrated by:Rita in DC, vcmvo2, Rick Oliver, Big Tent Democrat
I've passed by DOZENS of your nasty, bloated-ego comments in just the last week and a half alone. I've troll rated precisely NOTHING. I've held back, over and over and over AGAIN! And why? Why am I reluctant to troll rate the trolliest poster around? Because I felt bad for what you went through? I suppose! But you don't deserve any forbearance, and I'm not going to hesitate anymore. You are chronically nasty and uncivil--you actually reserve your meanest shots for the random person who pokes his or her unassuming head into a thread to say something NICE to you. And in perfect passive-aggressive form (but ONE of your modes of aggression) you say that to troll rate you for being a dick is to violate one's own civility code. O bullshit, you rigorous, sophistic, bilious little bully. You taunt and provoke and taunt and provoke until someone finally explodes - and then you say GOTCHA! Then you say: How DARE you react! Boy are we psychologically sophisticated around here. Why is anyone taking this? Why did I? I have no fucking idea.
And nothing ever changes. You just go on and on. You're turning Daily Kos into a Usenet-like PIT all by yourself. Are you proud?
Calling for a measure of civility is not the same as acquiescing to dormatism, but I know you count on people conflating the two.
You still have so many fans on this site--folks who can't witness enough of your abuse, apparently--that to cross you is tantamount to committing social suicide. There is something really screwy about that, but I don't really give a damn anymore. I'm a breath away from abandoning daily kos altogether. It's not fun anymore--too often I leave here feeling kinda mauled. Yes, it is absolutely clear that my leaving would be no loss to you. Who the sam hell am I to complain?
And you'll never stop, and evidently that's the way of folks like it: you blowing your dyspeptic crud all over the damn place all the while hiding behind the flimsiest fig leaf of intellectual rigor. What a joke! You're no voice of high cerebral functioning! On the contrary, in your relentless belligerence, you've become a portrait of intellectual insecurity.
God bless our tinfoil hearts.
So maybe you need context? Well I'll do more than the DIARIST did, I'll give you the context. The comments thread preceding this one:
What have I learned?
That if I feel I have something to contribute, I should write a diary, snarky come-backs be damned.
That on the outside, DKos welcomes diaries by anyone who feels they have something to say (within guidelines) but that there exists an invisible, insiduous undercurrent of intellectual snobbery here, perpetuated by certain members and reinforced by the me-too sheep trying to fit in with the cool dudes at the cool table, which intimidates those that have a less-than-perfect written "voice", even if that voice has some important to say.
That there are a number of paranoid Kossacks that have a knee-jerk "TROLL" reaction to almost anything that falls outside the known pattern.
That there are others who feel the same way I do.
by on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 01:26:05 PM EST
Rather paranoid and insulting
What I learned? That the most uncivil persons are usually the ones that whine the most about civility.
. . . Very nice. What an insulting paranoid character you are. And intellectual snobbery means what? Let me guess, you believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by . . . ? You think rigor is snobbery. Sobeit.
It amazes me that so many oppressed peoplm do not break the shackles and post where the civlity is better.
by ME
What exactly is your point?
That making fun of the mistakes of a disabled, elderly diarist is "fair game"? That objecting to intellectual snobbery is akin to embracing paranoid conspiracy theories?
There was a time, some months ago, when things got pretty difficult for you. I actually felt sorry for you. Won't make that mistake again.
by
Fair game?
Excuse me, did you actually read what I quoted and wrote?
As for you feeling sorry for me, kiss my ass. Like I want anyone feeling sorry for me.
What a fucked up comment from you.
by ME
Troll rated (19+ / 0-)
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for totally inappropriate, and obnoxious comment.
by on Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:08:44 PM EST
I cannot believe you (34+ / 4-)
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Trollrated by:Rita in DC, vcmvo2, Rick Oliver, Big Tent Democrat
I've passed by DOZENS of your nasty, bloated-ego comments in just the last week and a half alone. I've troll rated precisely NOTHING. I've held back, over and over and over AGAIN! And why? Why am I reluctant to troll rate the trolliest poster around? Because I felt bad for what you went through? I suppose! But you don't deserve any forbearance, and I'm not going to hesitate anymore. You are chronically nasty and uncivil--you actually reserve your meanest shots for the random person who pokes his or her unassuming head into a thread to say something NICE to you. And in perfect passive-aggressive form (but ONE of your modes of aggression) you say that to troll rate you for being a dick is to violate one's own civility code. O bullshit, you rigorous, sophistic, bilious little bully. You taunt and provoke and taunt and provoke until someone finally explodes - and then you say GOTCHA! Then you say: How DARE you react! Boy are we psychologically sophisticated around here. Why is anyone taking this? Why did I? I have no fucking idea.
And nothing ever changes. You just go on and on. You're turning Daily Kos into a Usenet-like PIT all by yourself, Armando. Are you proud?
Calling for a measure of civility is not the same as acquiescing to dormatism, but I know you count on people conflating the two.
You still have so many fans on this site--folks who can't witness enough of your abuse, apparently--that to cross you is tantamount to committing social suicide. There is something really screwy about that, but I don't really give a damn anymore. I'm a breath away from abandoning daily kos altogether. It's not fun anymore--too often I leave here feeling kinda mauled. Yes, it is absolutely clear that my leaving would be no loss to you. Who the sam hell am I to complain? This is daily kos where armando will do his nasty little armando thing - people can take him or effin' leave.
And you'll never stop, and evidently that's the way of folks like it: you blowing your dyspeptic crud all over the damn place all the while hiding behind the flimsiest fig leaf of intellectual rigor. What a joke! You're no voice of high cerebral functioning! On the contrary, in your relentless belligerence, you've become a portrait of intellectual insecurity.
God bless our tinfoil hearts.
Here is some bullshit:
call for friendliness
is indecipherable.
a call to remember that this is the internet, and second rate experts that spell correctly are not our highest ranks of people.
the world of the New York times works by trusting experts because they are experts.
Haw can you not get the point from the diary... dailykos likes to mock and it's a VERY UGLY thing to enjoy.
What a joke. The commenter does not care about ugliness. If he did he would condemn ALL of it. He never has and he never will.
This is ugly:
Fine. (19+ / 1-)
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Trollrated by:Big Tent Democrat
. . . I'll throw you a "what if". What if some poor soul in NOLA came on here to post a diary about their living conditions during the days after Katrina - or even better - would come here today to leave a diary about how New Orleans residents are faring today. The diary is written by somebody with a 9th-grade education (such as my grandparents), but is desperate for his/her family's plight to be known. It is riddled with typos, poor grammar and bad spelling. The diary has no references, no links. It's just over 3 paragraphs long. But it's a heart-felt plea for attention and help. You :
a) rip the person a new one and call them a moron for not having references, links and proof, and for writing poorly, then proceed to tell all the commentators that support the diary to kiss your ass?
b) thank them for sharing their story, and write them an email offering to proof their diary in the future if they need some help?
c) pass over it and move to a diary that you find more interesting?
From your posting history, I would put money on (a). I might lose that bet, but that's where my money is.
This comment was recommended by the diarist who called for kindness. For the record, here is my posting history with Joseph Rainmound:
This Democrat's Deaf
by joseph rainmound [Subscribe]
Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 11:40:59 AM EST
Update [2005-10-14 12:11:58 by Armando]: By Armando. An interesting and underconsidered perspective.
These are exciting and disturbing days for Deaf and disabled individuals. On the one hand we have exciting technologies which allow Stephen Hawking to become an internationally respected scientist; we have technologies that allow for full participation in the mainstream; we have developed individual studies to explore our place and role in society and history. On the other hand, we have fierce opponents of the Americans with Disabilities Act rising in Congress and on the Supreme Court; we have a rising cost of technology that makes the existence of that technology no more than a tantalizing glimpse at what could be; and we have people decrying those very studies that allow us to empower ourselves and provide meaning to our lives. What we have is always tenuous, treated differently by different administrations and by different people-even by ourselves, as we struggle to individually navigate the path from "victim" to empowerment.
And Joseph wrote this comment:
Armando (4.00 / 5)
Thanks for your support and promotion of this diary! Armando was very helpful when I proposed this idea (somewhat tentatively) - Armando's very cool to work with. Hope I get to meet you - and other Kossacks - sometime soon.
by joseph rainmound on Fri Oct 14, 2005 at 12:53:50 PM EST
The diarist who called for kindness and the commenter who seconded the motion who then chose to smear me and recommended that smear can kiss my ass.
The sanctimonious hypocrites who claim concern about civility who recommended every insult directed at those who do not agree with them are do not care about civility. They care about being agreed with. You want some more examples? Sure, I'll provide them:
Some day you're going to (23+ / 2-)
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Trollrated by:vcmvo2, Rick Oliver
learn to read, and two thirds of Dkos will let out a big sigh of relief.
Yes, the DIARIST recommended this comment too.
Always standing up for the right to bully (8+ / 0-)
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We can count on you for that.
Only logical that you'd not get the point.
Yes, the DIARIST recommended that comment too.
What a crock.