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Ferraro/Clinton's strategy of appealing to white resentment continued today as she hit the media circuit, including Bill O'Reilly's show, home of white people who hate affirmative action.

O'REILLY: This crossed the wire. Apparently you told the Daily Breeze newspaper in Torrance, California, quote, "If Obama were a white man, he would not be in this position. If here were a woman of any color, he would not be in the position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is in a country who's caught up in the concept." Did you say that?

FERRARO: Yeah, but I also said a lot before that.

O'REILLY: Right, but you know you're gonna get hammered on that.

FERRARO: I was not speaking – no, I was speaking to – it was a paid speech. I was not representing a campaign. I go out and give speeches. I don't –

O'REILLY: Oh, I understand that.

FERRARO: You know, like you do.

O'REILLY: I absolutely know they can take you out of context, but do you believe that Barack Obama, if he were a white mean, white senator, would not be in the position?

FERRARO: Absolutely

She was "taken out of context", but asked directly if that's what she meant, she says "absolutely". So what the hell is she talking about? But she did get this, music to Ferraro's (and Clinton's) ears:

O'REILLY: I got it. I got it. I got it. No, listen, I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong [...]

but you're gonna get hammered by it, but if anybody does, let me know, and I'll take care of them. Geraldine Ferraro, everybody. Geraldine's too nice, see.

This is what the Clinton campaign is reduced to. Taking a candidate who has inspired hope and passion, and working overtime to turn him into the "black candidate" even though she has no hope of winning the nomination absent a coup by super delegate. Now there's a legacy for Clinton. Congrats to her on pulling that one off.

And it's clear as day, given their refusal to ask for Ferraro's resignation, that the Clinton campaign is as complicit and pleased with Ferraro's words as they are with her media strategy. African American blogger dnA (click on the link above) states the obvious:

If the Clinton campaign was truly embarrassed or disagreed with Ferraro's comments, they wouldn't be tossing her into the media frenzy to shout her message from the mountaintops that Barack Obama's success is due only to his blackness. And they would not be utilizing the most effective means of doing so--the Right Wing smear machine that nearly destroyed Bill Clinton's presidency.

The aim here is to evoke racial resentment on the part of white voters over issues like Affirmative Action, and cast Obama as a talentless hack who excels only because our country is held victim by political correctness. The hope is that this will drive a permanent wedge between Obama and white voters that will sway Superdelegates to ultimately go with Hillary at the convention. At worst, Obama will be so damaged in the general that he can never be a threat to their ambitions again.

I see that Ferraro just resigned the campaign so she can conveniently spew this bullshit without being directly linked to Clinton, but the two are now inseparable. The Clinton campaign didn't ask for a resignation, and they looked the other way as Ferraro ramped up the racial rhetoric for political gain.

It's inexcusable, and whatever Ferraro says from here on out will be on Clinton's head.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:26 PM PDT.

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  •  good luck with that (6+ / 0-)

    she'll need it

    •  do you think she quit because of KO special (2+ / 0-)
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      IncuriousGeorge, Greasy Grant

      comments tonight...he will come out hard about latest round of comments from the clinton camp...and now they will say, "we like KO, but GF is no longer part of this campaign and KO should apologize to use to this..."

      g

      There is no trickle down, because greed expands to absorb any excess. DevilsTower

      by thegelding on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:12 PM PDT

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      •  apologize to us about this... (0+ / 0-)

        old eye and older fingers....

        g

        There is no trickle down, because greed expands to absorb any excess. DevilsTower

        by thegelding on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM PDT

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        •  She's a sacrificial lamb, doing Hil's dirty work (2+ / 0-)
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          Lilly, Joe Beese

          This may be political suicide for Ferraro, but her political days were already over with, and she is not depending on the African-American community for anything (money, contacts, speaking engagements, etc.).

          She may get hammered now, but she is making racist Hillary's point for her, defending this point even as she goes down in flames.  (Unlike Samantha Powers, who disavowed her "monster" quote and praised Hillary.)  

          It's this kind of loyal lieutenant willing to fall on her sword for the campaign that Obama, as the underdog, does not have.  That's what gives the Clinton Machine its juggernaut power, disgraceful as it may be, the widespread network of blind loyalists.

          •  The Clintons will destroy the Democratic Party (1+ / 0-)
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            jiminy

            They have absolutely no shame.  And the party is full of gutless wonders who refuse to grab the woman by the hair, drag her off the stage and tell her she's done, done, totally finished and through.

            •  Hillary Should Be Ejected From Our Party. (0+ / 0-)

              Shameful, destructive behavior on her part.  She is not thinking about our party or our party's chances in November.  Her sights are solely set on what's best for Hillary.  She doesn't give a damn about any potential damage that she and her minions are inflicting on Obama and his chances in November.  At some point, any respectable, loyal party member would see the writing on the wall and do what's best for the party.  Unfortunately, Hillary has some misguided, deluded idea that SHE IS the Democratic Party.  Face the facts Hillary, it's not just Republicans that have a strong distaste for you and your tactics... the majority of the Democratic Party members have the same sentiment.  If you can't win constructively highlighting your own merits, get the hell out of the race before you destroy our eventual nominee and our party's long-awaited chance to regain the White House.  
              You and your ilk make me sick, missy.

          •  typo (0+ / 0-)

            I meant to say: "making Hillary's racist point" -- the word order got inverted as I edited.  I do not think the Clintons are racist.  I do think they are willing to use race as an issue, to win political office.

      •  Fuck her (30+ / 0-)

        I can't wait until the special comment tonight.

        I've tried to be civil, I've been in the "two great candidates" camp, but I've fucking had it.  Fuck her, fuck her husband, fuck her spin, fuck her surrogates.

        •  No shit. It's mean, AND it's weak. (1+ / 0-)
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          jimreyn

          It sounds desperate and pathetic and, well, republican.

          You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

          by dnamj on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:40:17 PM PDT

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          •  This will bite her in the ass (0+ / 0-)

            If she keeps this up the primary won't last until Pennsylvania.

            •  she's runing the party and ruining the election (3+ / 0-)
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              jiminy, Dont Just Stand There, Lilly
              Obama ist trying to unite all of us and she's dividing us into tiny little pieces a la Karl Rove so that she can win.

              You are a child of the universe; no less than the trees and the stars... Desiderata

              by byteb on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:48:59 PM PDT

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              •  The "white hands" ad Helms ran against Gantt (2+ / 0-)
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                mightymouse, daliscar

                in NC in '90 may be next.  Penn certainly wouldn't be above stealing from Arthur Finklestein.

                Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

                by RFK Lives on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:53:42 PM PDT

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              •  Well sort of (3+ / 0-)
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                caseynm, wmholt, dRefractor

                Obama is trying to win by not emphasizing divisions.... Clinton (through GF) is trying to win by helping people think about them.

                They are both pursuing strategies to win... Obama no less then Clinton.

                As a key advisor to the Obama campaign (;)), I would have Obama actually put a comforting metaphorical arm around GF, congratulate her on her long years of service, acknowledge her valiant struggle against cancer, thank her for willingness to raise money for Obama should Obama win the nomination (she said it!), and say, "Geri, you are so right, racism is wrong, and I KNOW you are against racism, and I know you were just complementing me and the AA community on my success."  

                I know it doesn't taste very good but it actually the better jujitsu move.

                The faster he can smooth things over and stop the talk about race, the better it is for him.  The longer she is out there, a loose canon, defending her reputation as "not a racist" (possibly at Clinton's bidding... possibly out of foolishness... but certainly to keep the race talk alive), ranting about the horrible attacks she has received by email (implicitly from "scary" AAs) the worse it is for Obama.  

                He needs to quiet the race talk... she and Clinton we'll be looking to amp it up any way they can.

                By accepting her on her own terms... it stops.  How can she argue with someone who publicly agrees with her.  And getting her to stop is way more important than being right in this argument.  WE understand the racist political implication of what she said literally... but what she SAID isn't important as keeping the controversy alive, and so stopping the controversy, not battling the idea, is the real move he has to make.

                •  Super point, and good idea (0+ / 0-)

                  It's also how he works, so it's well within doable without raising the spectre further.

                  -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

                  by caseynm on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:22:12 PM PDT

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                •  Put this into a diary and let's get it recommeded (0+ / 0-)

                  FWIW, I'd open with this:

                  Obama is trying to win by not emphasizing divisions.... Clinton (through GF) is trying to win by helping people think about them.

                  As a key advisor to the Obama campaign (;)), I would have Obama actually put a comforting metaphorical arm around GF, congratulate her on her long years of service, acknowledge her valiant struggle against cancer, thank her for willingness to raise money for Obama should Obama win the nomination (she said it!), and say, "Geri, you are so right, racism is wrong, and I KNOW you are against racism, and I know you were just complementing me and the AA community on my success."  

                  and put the rest "after the jump" (drop the
                  "They are both pursuing strategies to win... Obama no less then Clinton."

                  -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

                  by caseynm on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:26:40 PM PDT

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            •  This is her PA strategy... (1+ / 0-)
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              Leslie in KY

              As Carville describes it, PA is Philly and Pittsburgh with white Alabama in between.  Hillary is gunning for those white rural racists and intends to get their votes with these types of not so subtle coded messages.

              Sounds like a Republican campaign strategy to me, but as Obama said "better that this comes up now than in the general election."  The only problem with that hypothesis is that it's going to come up now and in the general election, so I hope he develops an effective strategy to deal with it.

              I consider myself an Agnostic because the only thing I believe in less than God is certainty.

              by aztronut on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 08:01:53 PM PDT

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          •  jesus christ. i hope voters are perceptive enough (4+ / 0-)

            to see how utterly transparent the clintons are -- in not just walking up to the GOP line, but crossing it and now marketing directly to the GOP base, to help take out Obama by having Repubs vote for Hillary in remaining primaries.

            They are beyond contempt.

            Howard Dean was so right. All these people need to be purged from the Dem party, completely, and with no further nostalgia for old times had.

            _ yes he is. >> * | *

            by rhfactor on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:48:34 PM PDT

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        •  If it were possible (2+ / 0-)
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          Lilly, nwgates

          I would recommend this comment 9 quadrillion times

      •  If They Did (0+ / 0-)

        They left a lot of ammunition for Olbermann with that resignation letter to continue firing shots.

        I find it funny how the Clinton campaign called for moving back to talking about issues when it ceased being about issues ... oh ... back to the 3 AM phone ad? "Meet me in Ohio" for "debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign"?

    •  Guess this is what they mean by... (6+ / 0-)

      scorched earth.

    •  The curse of the Cat People (0+ / 0-)

      Hillary, let this be on your head.

      8 bonus points to the first user who identifies this reference.

    •  what's next????? (1+ / 0-)
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      wilderness voice

      Bill Clinton on Rush Limbaugh's show....

      Geraldine Ferraro on Bill O'Reilly....

      what's next?

      Hillary doing a guest spot on Michael Savage's show?

      If this doesn't drive Democrats to support Obama, what will?  What does her campaign have to do to finally cross the line?  

      Announce Lieberman as her running mate, maybe?

  •  Breaking news: CNN: Geraldine Ferraro is leaving (9+ / 0-)

    Geraldine Ferraro is leaving the Hillary Clinton campaign in the wake of a controversy regarding her remarks about Barack Obama.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:27:31 PM PDT

    •  Looks like F. Scott Fitzgerald is right (7+ / 0-)

      So much for Ferraro's second act. Exit, stage right.

      John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:30:21 PM PDT

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    •  I am ashamed of Gerry Ferraro (5+ / 0-)

      The Clinton campaign did not "reject and denounce" her  appeal to white racism and white resentment, as Clinton should have done.

      And despite Ferraro's voluntarily resignation from the campaign, she continues to defend her racist talk on the right-wing Fox Noise.

      As Clinton might say of her opponent, "Shame on you!"

      •  i don't understand... (3+ / 0-)
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        jhutson, wilderness voice, Joe Beese

        ...how disconnected in hypocricy Clinton's campaign has become.

        They criticise Obama for not denouncing AND rejecting some guy I've never even heard of (farracan?) for racist comments but Ferraro can go out on national television and make an argument for white entitlement and....

        nothing.

        Nada.

        nothing but defensive "I'm not racist, it really is easier for blacks" and bizaare rhetoric of victimization.

        Ferraro is actually PART of the Clinton campaign and she's making these racist comments NOW.  But some guy who was big back before I was even born is somehow more worthy of denouncement.

        My head's gonna explode soon.  I can feel it.

        The measure of one's life is found not in its Length, but in its Depth.

        by DawnG on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:47:47 PM PDT

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        •  Ferraro is of an age when ethnic slurs and quiet (0+ / 0-)

          discrimination was practiced against Italian Americans. She and her husband probably had to battle against the perceptions held against their ethnic group, I surprised that she would stoop so low.

          You are a child of the universe; no less than the trees and the stars... Desiderata

          by byteb on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:52:36 PM PDT

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          •  yeah but I'd think most people "her age"... (0+ / 0-)

            ...have come to the realization that the world has changed and that kind of attitude is no longer accepted.

            It's like she's fallen behind the political curve in a BIG way.

            The measure of one's life is found not in its Length, but in its Depth.

            by DawnG on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:44:47 PM PDT

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        •  the degree of off-screen scheming they engage in (1+ / 0-)
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          wilderness voice

          I think could possibly be even greater than Bush being rehearsed by Karen Hughes & Karl Rove. Why? becuse Bush could only be told what to do and rehearsed. With Hillary, she's a full-fledged partner in strategic poisoning of an opponent.

          Everything has been said by now 100-times over re scorched earth, entitlement, worse than Lieberman etc. They all need a bigass karmic payback -- and i hope it's coming round the corner.

          _ yes he is. >> * | *

          by rhfactor on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:57:08 PM PDT

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        •  can anyone provide a Clinton quote??? (0+ / 0-)

          The New York Times has this:

          Howard Wolfson, Mrs. Clinton’s spokesman, replied that the campaign was "completely unaware" of Mrs. Ferraro’s remarks before she made them. "We did not in any way to encourage them," he said. He noted that when Mrs. Clinton responded to a question about the comments, she "made clear she disagreed with them and she rejected them."

          Can anyone provide a quote where Clinton "rejected" the words of Ferraro?  I don't even need "denounced and," just rejected.

          Another big lie.

    •  Hillary should return all the funds Gerry raised. (3+ / 0-)
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      Eman, Dont Just Stand There, jhutson

      n/t

      "The trust of a city street is formed over time from many, many little public contacts." - Jane Jacobs, 1961

      by eyesonthestreet on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:44:44 PM PDT

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    •  Olbermann still needs to do SC on Hillary (0+ / 0-)

      If she gor Ferraro out of her campaign "on day one" of this controversy, then she wouldn't have Olbermann planning to dis her tonight.

      Another dumb move from team Clinton.

      •  Olberman should show Obama's endorsement today (0+ / 0-)

        from Generals and Admirals and f**k Geraldine, because it will be the only coverage we will see on the endorsements and the following question and answer period, where Obama looked very presidential, IMHO.

        "The trust of a city street is formed over time from many, many little public contacts." - Jane Jacobs, 1961

        by eyesonthestreet on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:54:16 PM PDT

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    •  Ferraro is leaving? TOO LATE. (2+ / 0-)
  •  Breaking : NBC News confirms Geraldine Ferraro (2+ / 0-)
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    Phil S 33, eddienic

    leaving Clinton campaign

    www.haroldsaxon.co.uk "The Man You Can Trust"

    by tunney on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM PDT

  •  How do you know they didn't ask for her (3+ / 0-)
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    kck, Fireshadow, rigso

    resignation?

    You can't make that claim without knowing.

    Did anyone ask for Spitzer's resignation?

    Look at these people! They suck each other! They eat each other's saliva and dirt! -- Tsonga people of southern Africa on Europeans kissing.

    by upstate NY on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:28:34 PM PDT

  •  Man (13+ / 0-)

    Olbermann's gonna have a field day with this.


    "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." - Salvor Hardin

    by Zackpunk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:29:05 PM PDT

  •  An all Republican general election (5+ / 0-)

    Based on her primary campaign, that's what we'll have in November if Clinton is the nominee.  You don't think folks like Coulter, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly hand out these kind of favors without something in return do you?

    Lurleen Rodham Wallace: Ready on day one.

    by Woodwards Friend on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:29:13 PM PDT

  •  Now about Howard Wolfson... (4+ / 0-)

    When is that Ken Starr comparing Karl Rove wannabe going to resign?

    There are no unimportant states, only uninspiring candidates.

    by nightsweat on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:29:15 PM PDT

  •  Ferraro is merely representing constituents (13+ / 0-)

    In Ferraro's mind, it's still 1984; she's still the Congresswoman from NY-09 (Queens); and she believes that Archie and Edith Bunker are real people, are still alive, and are living within her district.

    Either that or she's blinded by anger and has chosen to fling mud by the metric ton.

    John McCain's Straight Talk Express runs on fossil fuels.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:29:23 PM PDT

  •  re (2+ / 0-)
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    The Termite, jhutson

    Un FORNICATING believable Hillary is ALLOWING this shit TIME AND TIME again to come from her campaign WITHOUT Apology.

    No wait. Presented with the facts I guess it is believable.

    "Steve Holt is more racially sensitive than the Clinton campaign." - Steve Holt

    by cookiesandmilk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:30:05 PM PDT

  •  DAMNIT (0+ / 0-)

    Why did Spitzer have to step down today? This would have been the biggest article of the day! Damnit... well, at least she lost a super delegate out of it.

    •  Ferraro's still a superdelegate (2+ / 0-)
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      beijingbetty, Joe Beese

      She just resigned from Clinton's finance committee.  She has superdelegate status because she's a former veep candidate (ironically, given her admission that she was an affirmative action beneficiary of that position).  

      Kos is right.  The resignation only benefits Clinton even more.  Ferraro will continue to tour the talk show circuit and exploit racist sentiment so Hillary can get a PA blowout.  Only now Hillary can respond by saying "she's resigned and I can't tell people who don't work for me how to express their first amendment rights."  

  •  Thinking strategically... (1+ / 0-)
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    VA Breeze

    ...wouldn't it have been better to save this up for the general?

    since the long winning streak Obama has almost certainly won the nomination.

    he used this brilliantly between NH and SC to set himself up for the coup de main on supertuesday.

    Will anyone care come November if a Republican says something overtly racist?

    "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

    by Salo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:30:20 PM PDT

    •  It IS interesting that HRC offers no further (0+ / 0-)

      comment disassociating herself from Ferrarro's statements.  
      Obviously, intended to be that way.

      •  she's broadly irrelivant (0+ / 0-)

        I'd just like to see what Swing voters are thinking about when they see the charges and counter charges about racism.

        It can't be that attractive to voters with no strong attachment to the Dems.

        "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

        by Salo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:35:54 PM PDT

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  •  About Fu**ing time! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    FishBiscuit

    You dont win an election, and you dont serve a democracy by trying to keep people out, you're supposed to try and bring them in...--Barack Obama

    by wscrews on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:30:39 PM PDT

  •  I could be the front runner (3+ / 0-)
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    The Termite, mightymouse, Shhs

    Except for the fact that I am what I am.

    I wish to high heaven that this whole campaign wasn't about who do you like better the woman, the white guy or the black man?

    Personally I liked Edwards best.  I am highly disappointed in Hil.  Speaking as a woman.

    The Next Agenda "For Progressive Canadian Politics"

    by Bionic on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:30:48 PM PDT

  •  Wow (6+ / 0-)

    She's corkscrewing herself into the ground.  How sad to see.  Does she have no family capable of reasoning with her?

    "Some folks look for answers...others look for fights."

    by The Termite on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:30:54 PM PDT

    •  Funny, I used to like her; also used to like (3+ / 0-)
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      The Termite, IncuriousGeorge, karanja

      Hillary---but when they go down that Republican slimy path:  See Yah!!

    •  It seems every day now someone from the Clintos (6+ / 0-)

      Campaign, some old time Dem, comes out and needs to be put down with some tranquilizers.

      Is Hillary doing this to them? Will she make us all insane?

      This is the last gasps of the Old Democratic Party.
      Fine with me.

      They have been the same as the Republics for years now and need to be removed, completely.

      Those are my principles, and if you don't like them ... well, I have others." --Groucho Marx,

      by Flippant on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:40:42 PM PDT

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      •  Yeahp ugly true colors rearing their monster head (0+ / 0-)

        I hope this sends black people to the Rethugs in droves and forces the Dems to fight for the black vote once again! Furthermore, Hillary is headed to this nomination by hook or by crook, and the Dem party is headed to oblivion, where it belongs for the lack of balls of the party leadership! I said in 2000 that Gore deserved to lose for running a mediocre campaign, as did Kerry (especially after the MSM bamboozled Dean) - both failed to defeat an idiot due to their lack of imagination and the Dem Party is now headed into an abyss for generations to come! I always used to say that the Dem Party would never have the guts to nominate a Black candidate before the Rethugs, and at this rate it seems my predictions may yet prove true. The Rethugs will probably run Condi as Veep and win the election and probably produce the first black & first female Prez all in one! Liberal racism is even worse than right wing racism in its insidious camouflage behind sensible sensitive arguments. Well team "monster’s" isn’t that brand – it’s of the raw low-grade type we expect from the far right, but it is being allowed to continue by the Dem party establishment all in the name of what? Fairness? Wait and see this process through? It’s been over, the Supers will have to weigh in, so they might as well do so today!

        Last week he was Karl Rove, this week he's Dem VP?! Excuse me?!

        by karanja on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:02:11 PM PDT

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  •  Who would pay good money to hear her talk? (4+ / 0-)
  •  The Clintons are racist (6+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry, but there is just no way around it.  You are racist if you perpetuate racism.

    "Universal suffrage should rest upon universal education." - Rutherford B. Hayes

    by rdxtion on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:31:15 PM PDT

    •  That's absurd and stupid (1+ / 0-)
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      chick ghandil

      Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

      by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:04 PM PDT

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      •  No it's not (5+ / 0-)

        If you are perpetuating stereotypes that depict certain people as acting in a certain way or getting certain benefits then you are being racist.  You can do this by passively being racist or by giving racist people the opportunity to go on national news program and spout their racism and make it seem like it's okay to be racist.

        By making racism mainstream, you are enabling and causing racism.  This makes you racist.

        "Universal suffrage should rest upon universal education." - Rutherford B. Hayes

        by rdxtion on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:34:28 PM PDT

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        •  this whole issue is a case of a group (0+ / 0-)

          of people, Obama supporters, trying to influence an election by inserting racism into everything.  Whether it is a coordinated effort to discredit Clinton by the Obama campaign or whether it is just overzealous supporters trying to be extra PC i don't care.  What I do care about is that Obama supporters hold themselves to no standard of burden of proof.  Ferraro makes a statement and all of a sudden it wasn't Ferraro making the statement it was Hillary who made the statement.  Matt fucking Drudge puts a photo up of Obama in a turban and CLAIMS he got it from the clinton campaign.  Drudge has only been discredited a billion times but nope, doesn't matter...Hillary gave it to him, personally...she is a racist and is trying to paint Obama as an evil black Muslim.  Troutnut and Thereisnospoon and others claim voter fraud in NV.  No proof, no news of it on any major newswire, nothing about it since...but dkos latched onto the meme and for a week we had diary after diary claiming fraud in NV...Clinton is a cheater...no proof.

          Clinton is on the ballot in MI.  She broke the rules.  No she didn't.  Edwards, Obama, et al decided not to add their names because they thought having their names on the ballot in MI would anger the early voting states MI tried to jump.

          Clinton campaigned in FL.  No she didn't.  Edwards didn't.  Obama did.  Fearing that Hillary would win another state uncontested Obama made sure he was on the ballot...then got trounced.  Had Obama won MI and FL you all would be crying from the tallest structure that the votes should count as cast.  Impartial?  Not much.

          90% of the anti-Hillary rhetoric is manufactured overwrought bullshit perpetuated by a group of rabid Obama supporters. You don't try and provide evidence and when you do most of it can be quickly discredited.  The Obama is blacker video?  Dozens of computer and video people tried to explain how the transfer from the original video to a different format could explain the darkening.  One guy showed what happens when you change the size format from the msnbc video to the you tube video...The smaller format had a narrower aspect, the larger had a wider aspect.  But nope...evidence doesn't matter.  Why?  Cuz Hillary is a racist.  How do we know?  Because everyone on dkos thinks so.  

          Sorry.  I need more than innuendo and inference before I accuse someone of being a racist.  You don't.  Too bad.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:16:01 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  It Is Stupid and Absurd (0+ / 0-)

        but becoming more and more verifiable.

        Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

        by dpc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:49:47 PM PDT

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    •  Why is it racist to point out what you believe to (0+ / 0-)

      be true? If she didn't believe it and did it to hurt Obama just because he is black, then possibly the racist label is appropriate.

      Don't you think that Hillary is getting votes only because she is a woman? How about McCain, do you think that it is possible that he is geting votes because he is neither female or black?
      Let's get real, people.

      •  racists (7+ / 0-)
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        generally believe their racist ideas "to be true" that's what makes them racists.

        •  Injecting race into a discussion... (0+ / 0-)

          that has nothing to do with race is racism.

          Why would it be considered important for Geraldine Ferraro to go onto Fox News repeatedly and bash Barack Obama for having all the advantages of being black.

          Is that some sort of important message that needs to be heard on this campaign?

          When asked why he robbed banks, Jesse James famously replied, "Because that's where the money is".

          When asked why she went on Fox News to make racist statements, and go back again to appear with Bill O'Reilly, Geraldine Ferraro famously replied, "Because that's what the racists watch."  

      •  That's just false (0+ / 0-)

        Racist believe believe that black people are inferior to white people.  Does that make it okay, because it's what they "believe to be true"?  No, and it doesn't make it any less racist.

        Black people were for Hillary in South Carolina before her campaign turned up the racism.  People forget that Obama was TRAILING her.  I think it's just as likely that black people are voting for Obama because he's black as they are voting for him because they think the Clintons are racist.

        "Universal suffrage should rest upon universal education." - Rutherford B. Hayes

        by rdxtion on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

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      •  you are either stupid, lazy, ignorant or playing! (0+ / 0-)

        Last week he was Karl Rove, this week he's Dem VP?! Excuse me?!

        by karanja on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:43:59 PM PDT

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        •  She also said that if she was Gerard (0+ / 0-)

          Ferarro instead of Geraldine, she would not have been the VP candidate. I guess that remark makes her
          anti-woman. She has accurately described the situation.

          •  so you are saying (0+ / 0-)

            that minorities have an advantage? Apparently, that's why they have held the top office on so many occasions.

            Sure, there can be a token minority (Condi Rice comes to mind). This does not make it a general advantage, only an occasional tool.

            An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

            by rini6 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:54:33 PM PDT

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            •  Condi Rice, token? (0+ / 0-)

              that sounds racist to me.

              •  No (0+ / 0-)

                She may have been used that way, and yes, the Bush administration is racist. I am saying this because I don't respect her due to her obvious blind allegiance to the administration above the safety of the american people. There are many black people in positions of power who are not tokens at all.

                An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

                by rini6 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:56:47 PM PDT

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                •  But can't you see that many can view that (0+ / 0-)

                  statement as racist? To me, calling someone a token is saying that the reason why they have the position is purely for appearance sake, that they aren't really qualified and have no say.
                  You not agreeing with her doesn't make her a token. So if you say that she has the position because she is black, then you must be a racist, that's what people are saying about Ferraro.

                  I realize that you are not a racist, I'm only trying to make my point.

                  •  I think that the reason she is there (0+ / 0-)

                    is for appearance sake. I don't know if she was qualified. She certainly hasn't done her job...like the rest of the administration.

                    I think that she may have  gotten her position, because of her race and sex. This, to me, says something about the administration, not me.

                    Obama has grass roots support throughout the country and is truly qualified. To say that he is where he is would be racist. Many minorities have truly succeeded, despite the odds and Condi may have been one of them. The recent part of her career, though? not so good.

                    To me it is different depending on the situation.

                    An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

                    by rini6 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 05:21:34 AM PDT

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      •  Here's the difference (2+ / 0-)
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        There's a difference between saying "Obama is getting some votes because he's black" and saying "Obama is lucky to be black, he wouldn't be in this position if he wasn't black".

        The latter, which is what Ferraro did, argues that black people are privileged in politics more than white people -- which would cause the obvious followup question of why, if so, there has never been a black nominee before now.

        •  Seriously (0+ / 0-)

          Because it's so easy to be the black candidate named Barack Hussein Obama.  That doesn't have any negatives.

          "Universal suffrage should rest upon universal education." - Rutherford B. Hayes

          by rdxtion on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:50:58 PM PDT

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        •  fyi--Ferraro isn't Hillary Clinton (0+ / 0-)

          ie Ferraro may have some issues...Clinton doesn't.  If surrogates get tied inextricably to their candidate then Obama said Hillary is a "monster" and he approves of the misogynistic homophobic Jesse Jackson Jr ergo he is also a misogynistic homophobe.

          you can't have one set of standards for one candidate and a different set for the other.

          Prove Hillary is a racist, not that a surrogate made racially insensitive remarks.

          But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

          by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:55:09 PM PDT

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          •  Proof? (0+ / 0-)

            Not exactly sure what sort of "proof" you'd require. There's no proof, there's what is to me sound indications that this is part of a pattern by the Clintons campaigns to utilise racism for their benefit.

            It began with dismissing South Carolina votes (because Jesse Jackson also won there or something), it continued with the dismissal of MLK in favour of Johnson (it's not the black orator but the white president that'll make the change), it continues with a surrogate promoting the idea of black privilege and getting no significant condemnation from Hillary. (Hillary merely "disagreeing", not condemning)

            I see it as a pattern -- you don't. I don't see any way to "prove" to you that the pattern isn't coincidental and merely unfortunate, it's simply my estimation that it isn't.

      •  "Why is it racist to point out what you believe (2+ / 0-)
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        to be true?"

        Seriously?  So you get a pass to say racist shit as long as you "believe it to be true?"

        All racists think what they say is true.

        Any force that tries to make you feel shame for being who you are...is a form of tyranny... And it must be rejected, resisted, and defeated. ~Al Gore

        by Sinister Rae on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:48:52 PM PDT

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        •  She did not say what she did because of a desire (0+ / 0-)

          to hurt a black candidate, she merely pointed out a reason for the Obama mania. She made a similar point about herself being female and getting the VP nomination.

          •  No, she was praising Obama! (0+ / 0-)

            The same way Bob Kerrey was praising him for being named "Hussein."  

            Give me a break!  That's the biggest fairy-tale I've ever heard.

            Sim, nós podemos!

            by SLKRR on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:54:57 PM PDT

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          •  ...And? (0+ / 0-)

            Even if that were true (and given Ferraro's other comments, I'm not remotely inclined to believe give her the benefit of the doubt), people can still say racist things out of privilege and ignorance.

            Any force that tries to make you feel shame for being who you are...is a form of tyranny... And it must be rejected, resisted, and defeated. ~Al Gore

            by Sinister Rae on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:55:52 PM PDT

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      •  So you are saying (0+ / 0-)

        that you can't be a racist if you really believe in the racist comments that you make? Doesn't believing it make you more racist?

        Maybe you should take logic 101.

        An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

        by rini6 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:52:25 PM PDT

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    •  Racist...like a fox (0+ / 0-)

      At least actual racists hold consistent beliefs.  Poll-driven racism might even be sadder...

      Listen, man. Sleep gives you cancer. Everyone knows that.

      by shumway on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:47:31 PM PDT

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    •  and you are an idiot (0+ / 0-)

      if you spout baseless accusations without evidence.

      Apparently the only place Clinton is a racist is dailykos and a few other pro-Obama blogs.  The rest of the nation doesn't seem to be buying the meme.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:50:43 PM PDT

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  •  Why do you want to make Clinton into a racist? (0+ / 0-)

    First she darkens pictures of Obama now she is personally responsible for non-racist comments by Ferraro. If Obama is the nominee TOUCHIEST CAMPAIGN EVER!

    Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

    by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:31:37 PM PDT

    •  What will swing voters make of the tactics? (0+ / 0-)

      I'd really like to know the answer. i'm sure there is a poll out there.

      "It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08

      by Salo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:33 PM PDT

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    •  Hillary made herself into a racist (1+ / 0-)
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      "Some folks look for answers...others look for fights."

      by The Termite on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:36:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's a lie (0+ / 0-)

        Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

        by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:38:02 PM PDT

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      •  prove it! (0+ / 0-)

        I want statements, actions and dates to go along with.  I want corroborative evidence that she not only is a racist but has a history of being racist.  Proxy arguments don't fucking count.  I don't fault Obama for his staff's statements so don't try and make me believe, as dkos wants me to believe, that "Clinton has to own" her surrogates words while not requiring the same of Obama.

        Clinton and Ferraro pointing out that Obama is winning black states with the black vote because he is black is not racist it is reality.  Clinton voters are being asked in exit polling if race played an issue in their vote.  Obama voters aren't.  A white voting for Hillary is a racist.  A black voting for Obama is not.  There is a double standard here.  I don't agree with Ferraro's entire statement but I do agree with the sentiment that Obama would not be winning the black vote 90-10 or 80-20 if he weren't black.  If Obama was not in the race Hillary would be pulling the black vote and she would never have been called a racist.  The fact that so many want to paint her as a race baiter because her campaign is pointing out the fact that blacks are overwhelmingly voting for the black candidate is, imo, absurd.  If the poll splits showed white women voted for Hillary 90-10 white women would be called sexist racists.  

        By now everyone in the country knows that Obama is black and that Clinton is a woman.  Why would Clinton's campaign go out of its way to paint Obama as the black candidate when he isn't attempting to hide the fact, nor could he, that he IS the black candidate?  Blacks in PA are and were going to vote Obama just as blacks across the country have, you think Clinton wants to lose the 10-20% of blacks she's been drawing by making race an issue?  Give me a fucking break.

        Back to the original pt.  You, nor anybody else on this site can prove that Hillary is a racist.  Why?  Because she isn't.  But it gives you all a rallying cry...evil Clinton and her racist strategy.  

        Luckily, just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so and luckily enough voters aren't buying the bullshit and the race is still going to come down to who can sell themselves to the superdelegates better.

        But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

        by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:47:10 PM PDT

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      •  I see no evidence that Hillary is a racist (0+ / 0-)

        Her campaign is certainly using racist sentiment to benefit her politically, but there's a difference.

        It's similar to the debates over Reagan and racism. Was Reagan a racist? I don't know, I didn't know the man and I haven't seen any statement by him that definitely shows him to be one. Did Reagan exploit the sentiments of racists to win elections? Absolutely.

        Is Senator Clinton a racist? I don't see anything she's said that convinces me that she is. Is her campaign exploiting racist sentiment to try to win the nomination? Signs point to yes.

        That still reflects badly on her.

        •  I am not sure the distinction matters. (0+ / 0-)

          Especially for a public servant. I would not care about Elliot Spitzer's private life at all, except that the hypocrisy is staggering and conflicts with his public service.

          So I don't care who Hillary is at home -- Politicians are people, and I do not need for her to be perfect. But she is asking for my vote to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. She needs to represent a standard of morality, of integrity, of honesty, of principle, of values...

          She is doing none of those things. She is cowardly, and once again has exhibited that STAGGERING Clinton judgment when it comes to her narrow self interest.

          She is no where close to being who we need for president, in what is arguably our darkest hour in 50 years.

  •  Guess Clinton's years of being "tested" just (3+ / 0-)
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    changed to her adopting their tactics

  •  I dont think a single Democrat (14+ / 0-)

    has ever pushed my buttons like this, not even Joe Lieberman. I have tolerance for incompetence, but not racism.

    Taking Daily Kos back, one anti-McCain diary at a time.

    by bhagamu on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:31:54 PM PDT

  •  oh please... Kos you're so wrong on this. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's inexcusable, and whatever Ferraro says from here on out will be on Clinton's head.

    And you dont know that they didnt ask for resignation, you know nothing actually, no surprise here. I guess everything Obama surrogates have said will be on his head from now on...Ferraro has the right to speak her damn mind like everyone else in this country, and if she really wants to do it, let her... SHes not part of campaign anymore

    •  He wants Hillary to be a racist for some reason (1+ / 0-)
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      easy to defeat in a 2012 primary?

      Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

      by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:37 PM PDT

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    •  If they asked for her resignation, HRC campaign (0+ / 0-)

      should have then indicated that Ferrarro was leaving "to pursue other interests, da, da".

      •  no apology (1+ / 0-)
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        Who believes that Hillary has NO control of Ferraro. She should have insisted on a apology (for the good of the campaign). So Hillary's friend thinks this is actually good for the campaign and Hillary agrees. It all reflects poorly on Hillary.

    •  Kos read the resignation letter.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Check his post higher up in comments.

      And yes, Ferraro has every right to say what she wants, and we can hold her accountable to what she says, whether or not she bows out ungracefully from the position she held when she made those remarks in the first place.

      The Neocons' biggest mistake was in allowing the Internet to happen.

      by pakaal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:41:29 PM PDT

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    •  oh pulleeeeze (1+ / 0-)
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      Always the doublespeak where surrogates are concerned. So, okay, which is it:

      1. Hilary is so out of control of her own campaign that she can't even stop what her senior staff like Ferraro say in public
      1. Hillary actually agrees with what Ferraro was saying

      Neither seems like terribly good news to me...

    •  Oh please...Rigso you're so wrong on this (1+ / 0-)
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      Anything Ferraro says related to this episode IS on Clinton's head. If the Clinton campaign really thought this type of talk was unacceptable, even after Ferraro's official separation from the campaign, Hillary would call Geraldine and politely ask her to stop for the good of the campaign. As a friend and supporter, Ferraro would comply. That's common sense. Yes, Ferraro has the right to speak her mind, but if her friend who she's trying to help says, "Please stop, you're not helping", naturally Ferraro would stop. As that didn't happen and doesn't look like it's going to happen based on statements from Clinton and her camp, these offensive remarks and any future ones ARE on Clinton's head.

      "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

      by Citizen Earth on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:53:14 PM PDT

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      •  nah, I dont buy it. I think Ferraro (0+ / 0-)

        is extremely outspoken and she believes what shes saying, she said the same thing in '88, thats how much she believes it.

        •  I agree Ferraro believes what she's saying, (0+ / 0-)

          but how does that change anything? If my friend were running for office and publically expressing my opinions about a subject was causing her campaign potential harm and she asked me to zip it, I would. It's her campaign and if that's what she thinks will help, then I'll do it. If you were in that situation, wouldn't you? I'm sure you wouldn't be so presumptous as to figure you knew what's best for your friend's campaign. Of course, none of this even touches the irony (hypocracy?) of Ferraro's criticisms of Obama's race being a factor in his success and her gender having any bearing on her selection as a VP nominee.

          "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

          by Citizen Earth on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:07:23 PM PDT

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        •  What about Farrakhan? (0+ / 0-)

          He's been saying what he believes in public for 20+ years.

          Clinton's own point just last month was that for Presidential candidate, it is not enough to simply disagree, that you must take the strongest position possible against people like Farrakhan who say racist, intolerant things.

          Clinton's silence on this, and foot dragging, just shows that either she agrees with Geraldine and holds the same position and/or thinks Geraldine is fanning flames that might help her out in Pennsylvania. By extension of her own logic, she is not being Presidential.

          It's indefensible.

          •  ohplease the things Ferraro are (0+ / 0-)

            saying are being exxagerated wildly if people are going to compare it Farrakhan

            •  Farrakhan isn't part of Obama's campaign, Ferraro (0+ / 0-)

              was/is. Big difference. That said, Clinton REALLY dropped the ball big time on this one. She should have stomped Ferraro down immediately and VERY LOUDLY. That she didn't and allowed the message hang in the air says a lot, and none of it is positive for her. Look how Obama handled it when someone on his campaign simply called Clinton a monster, which isn't even in the same universe of offensive comments as Ferraro's. Unless you don't believe Ferraro's repeated comments are racist and offensive.

              "Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

              by Citizen Earth on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:50:17 PM PDT

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  •  O'Reilly is the perfect place to spew racial (11+ / 0-)

    stuff. I mean with the I was Shocked that Sylvias was just like any Italian Resaurant in a white Neighborhood and the lynching comment. Seriously how is it that O'Reilly still has a job.

    You know, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical. A little pestilence here, a plague there... Omnipotence...got to get me some of that.

    by ryan81 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:07 PM PDT

  •  i'll tell you the truth, kos (3+ / 0-)
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    it's no accident that all of this is occurring right around the very racially divided Mississippi primary--the state that could definitely be expected to show the greatest discrepancy between white voters and black voters.

    The racial split in Mississippi was already news, and the Ferraro incident is just building on that.

    oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.

    The Nexus has you.

    by Dante Atkins on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:11 PM PDT

    •  Not just Mississippi... (1+ / 0-)
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      Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and West Virginia beckon.

      The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves. - Plato

      by robroser on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:33:19 PM PDT

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      •  Indiana not so fast (0+ / 0-)

        Indianapolis just elected a black Muslim to Congress, so I wouldn't say that. Anyway, the Indiana primary consists of two things: Indianapolis and the Chicago suburbs. I'm pretty sure Obama can rack up huge margins in both areas. Indiana polls show him 15% ahead of Hillary...

        •  Its part of the plan folks.. (1+ / 0-)
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          Let us all please stop being so naive.

          Pimping out Chelsey ....Off with their heads.
          She's a Monster.....Off with their heads.
          Obama is only winning because he is Black...the sound of loud crickets.

          I hope KO nails her to a cross. She is taking our party down in flames, piece by piece, and I hope all of our so called leaders end up losing their own jobs, because they don't deserve to keep them if they let her get away with this level of degradation. I am humiliated today to be a member of the Democratic Party. Our leaders are cowards to allow this to continue.  Cowards.

  •  The Clintons are toxic (9+ / 0-)

    It has taken me 16 years to get to this point - although Bill's refusal to block the execution of the impaired prisoner in 1992 was an early sign of their venality.

    Where are Al Gore, John Edwards, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi?

    Walter Mondale?

    Bob Kerrey?

    And most of all, Ed Rendell? Does he want his state to become typed as the Mississippi on the 21st century and himself as the enabler of a Karl Rove type campaign?

  •  Come on... (10+ / 0-)

    what good Democrats don't go immediately to O'Reilly to clear up misunderstandings and context issues?

    Perhaps she'll hit Limbaugh and Michael Savage tomorrow.

    The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves. - Plato

    by robroser on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:22 PM PDT

  •  This is an ingenious way for Clinton to appeal... (5+ / 0-)
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    To Republicans.  Clinton cannot hope to match Obama's policies nor his ability to attract Independent and Republican voters to the Democratic side during the election.  Therefore, she has decided to try to attract Republican voters in a different manner... by appealing to their racist attitudes.  Senator Clinton really is running on a new platform... a woman is better than an African American as President.  The poker face isn't working, Senator Clinton.  You've revealed your cards.

    ... false hope. But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope. Obama 2008

    by BasharH on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:22 PM PDT

  •  Victims for Clinton (4+ / 0-)
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    "I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign," Ferraro wrote in a letter to Clinton. "The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you. I won't let that happen."
    http://www.cnn.com/...

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:32:29 PM PDT

  •  Where Is the Democratic Leadership in All of This (10+ / 0-)

    I can't believe this race-baiting bullshit is allowed to go on in our party. I just CANNOT. And where is she peddling her race-baiting bullshit? On race-baiting Bill O' Reilly's show of all places.

    Where is the leadership in the party that will condemn this?

    I'm used to having this kind of outrage over GOP antics; this, however, is an all-new kind of disgust I don't think I'll ever get over.

  •  silly season? we're into the surreal season now (1+ / 0-)
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    "I ain't so afraid of losing something that I ain't gonna try to have it." Zoe (Firefly)

    by geejay on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:33:05 PM PDT

  •  kos, this is a Camp Clinton two-fer... (22+ / 0-)

    Let's see what they've done here over the last few days...

    Ferraro takes one for the team by running a two-fer:

    1. Obama is the black candidate/doesn't appeal to whites.
    1. Obama and his campaign pick on women (read her statement).

    As usual, the Clintons put what's best for the Clintons far ahead of what is good for the Party and far ahead of what is right.

    Geraldine Ferraro knew exactly what she was doing. And it was with the approval of Camp Clinton.

  •  Pat Buchannen = Ignorant Racist (5+ / 0-)

    I simply can not watch MSNBC anymore when he's on.

    If he's so strongly against all this "pc stuff" then I'm sure he would appreciate me telling him the "truth": I can't wait until him and his ilk die off so this world can be a better place.

    Don't tell me to be PC Pat... It's just the "truth" and I'm being "brave" to say it.

    Yes We Can || "Helping a rogue president start an unnecessary war should be a career-ending lapse of judgment."

    by recusancy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:33:51 PM PDT

    •  he is just trash (1+ / 0-)
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      he basically said that america just wants a black friend. none of the white people care about any of his issue stances or anti-war position. nope we just really want a cool black friend. Mathews went right along with him.

      The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. -Franklin Roosevelt, US President 1932-1945

      by Liberal Youth on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:35:51 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know how anybody sitting next (0+ / 0-)

        to him could sit there and take that without becoming so incensed.  I've never become so angry at my TV.  Not when the Pistons lost to the Spurs in game 7 three years ago.  Not anytime I can remember.

        It's expected from FOX, but I would think that NBC would have at least some dignity.

        Yes We Can || "Helping a rogue president start an unnecessary war should be a career-ending lapse of judgment."

        by recusancy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:38:42 PM PDT

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        •  i think the want to piss people off (0+ / 0-)

          they think that putting pat the known racist will get people more viewers just to see how racist he will be. they bring him in every time they want to do one of those discussions. why not bring on any other conservative? no they need to present the racist point of view to be fair and balanced.

          The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today. -Franklin Roosevelt, US President 1932-1945

          by Liberal Youth on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:42:53 PM PDT

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      •  He Wants Hillary (0+ / 0-)

        to win soooooooooooooo bad.

        Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

        by dpc on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:52:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  more than just Pat... (0+ / 0-)

      we need his GENERATION to shuffle off this mortal coil before we're going to begin to fix the myriad messes they've left us.

      "Who the hell you gonna nuke?" -- Mike Gravel

      by Taylor on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:12:44 PM PDT

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  •  How far Hillary has fallen (1+ / 0-)
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    It's clear that race still matters in this country, and that the Hillary campaign will tap into all the racist attitudes and racial resentent of the American voters that they possibly can in order to put Hillary in the White House.  She's stooped that low.  How far she has fallen.

  •  It's ugly, but good training for Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    The Ferraro nonsense is truly ugly.  I wonder when/if Hillary will denounce/reject that kind of sentiment.  Actually, if Obama were white he would have had this thing wrapped up by now.  Regardless, he has to figure out how to neutralize this kind of attack or all will be lost in November.

    •  Its not good training for Obama... (0+ / 0-)

      I wish people would stop saying this. When is a racist comment appropriate:  NEVER. The only 'good training' for Obama (or any candidate) is on the issues. The only good thing about this mess we are in today, is that the American people now fully understand who has been flushed out into the open for being racists. The only one that has truly been vetted by this is Hillary, and she is vetting herself. Good. Better that we know now. She's digging her own grave and unfortunately we may all end up falling into it with her unless party officials get off their asses and take action.

  •  Clinton announces Lie Bermann as running mate! (0+ / 0-)

        "Only one other senator has the vision and strength to support the war in Iraq, the coming war against Iran and the need to spy on all Americans all the time.

        If I am struck down by fate, Joe Lie Bermann will be answering the red phone in the White House until we can appoint Bill to be V.President and then poison Mr. Lie Bermann so the Clinton dynasty will be unbroken."

               --------  Clinton Campaign Press Release.

    "We will now proceed to construct the socialist order."

    by 7November on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:33:57 PM PDT

  •  Doesn't Hillary Know McCain Won Her Primary? (1+ / 0-)
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    For the 2008 Presidential election?

    It seems she's on the wrong side of the aisle.. but maybe she can win another important state, with all her JoeMentum!

    I am crass and hostile. If you want to be comforted and babied, unplug your internet connection and call your parents.

    by nanobubble on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:34:01 PM PDT

    •  Different position. (0+ / 0-)

      McCain is the Republican nominee for President.

      Clinton is the Republican candidate for Democratic nominee for President.

      "...And I woulda got away with it, if it hadn't been for that meddling Kos!" ---attributed to Tom DeLay

      by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:03:23 PM PDT

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  •  Her resignation... (2+ / 0-)
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    Was couched as a martyr thing to do to relieve Hillary from the 'distraction'.  She didn't apologize and she blamed Obama for the uproar.  Now they can get a twofer - blame Obama for playing the race card and showing a women as the 'victim'.  Unbelievable.

    Hillary has opened the Pandora's Box of racism. Let's pray that 'hope' is all that is left at the bottom of that box too.

    by RichM on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:34:04 PM PDT

    •  Triangulation was always a Clinton specialty (0+ / 0-)

      The word that comes to mind when contemplating Hillary and Geraldine starts with a "c" and ends with a "t".

      And it isn't "cheat".

      "I'm Joe Beese and I approved this message."

      by Joe Beese on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:47:19 PM PDT

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      •  Actually... (0+ / 0-)

        The way I read the letter is quite different.  But I won't share my thoughts because I might get banned.

        Hillary has opened the Pandora's Box of racism. Let's pray that 'hope' is all that is left at the bottom of that box too.

        by RichM on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:50:50 PM PDT

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  •  Hillary's On NPR Thursday Morning (1+ / 0-)
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    They just played a clip and she wants her MI and FL delegates even though Obama wasn't on the ballot. She's basically blaming Obama, and you can just here that gloating contemptuous smirk in her voice, the same one you see on that show "Intervention."

  •  It's The Clinton Strategy (3+ / 0-)
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     They are playing for the racist whites in Pa.  They know they are getting no blacks or progressives so they could care less.  It is horrible.  I'd rather lose than do what they are.

  •  Did Bill ask about women's affirmative action? (0+ / 0-)

    Did Bill forget to ask the gains women have made thru affirmative action and if she suppports that kind of meddling.

    have we hit bottom yet?

    by eddienic on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:34:31 PM PDT

  •  So what are we (0+ / 0-)

    reduced to now?  Anyone who says anything from either campaign is now the responsibility of the candidate?  So any stupid ass comment from anyone connected to Obama is now his responsibility?

    Do you know how many times I've read about how Obama isn't responsible for this person and isn't to be held accountable for that person?  The excuse-making would reach to the fucking ceiling.  And that's just here on your once upon a time "community" blog with a wide range of voices all speaking freely.  Not anymore, and certainly not with you frothing at the mouth like you've been doing for the past several weeks, leading the lynch mob and carrying the largest torch.

    So according to you, Clinton is stuck with anyone that you decide she ought to be stuck with?  But Obama's not?

    No wonder why anyone not in the tank for Obama has had the good sense to leave this place.

    "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

    by jsmdlawyer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:34:34 PM PDT

    •  Samantha Power? Hello? (0+ / 0-)

      I will drink the Clinton Campaign Champagne 'cause Kool-aid is for kids!

      by Shhs on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:36:49 PM PDT

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      •  So if Samantha Power (0+ / 0-)

        does an interview today reiterating her opinion that Hillary Clinton is a monster, is that the responsibility of Barack Obama?  I don't think so, and I don't think you do, either.  But the great and powerful Kos apparently does.

        "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

        by jsmdlawyer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:39:08 PM PDT

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        •  It would probably be construed as such (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          Due to the previous ties... but let's cross that bridge when we get there.

          For now, we have an unabashed racist woman who was working closely with Clinton, now on Bill O'Reilly's show.

          And you're upset that folks are reacting to that?...

          :(

          I am crass and hostile. If you want to be comforted and babied, unplug your internet connection and call your parents.

          by nanobubble on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:42:19 PM PDT

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        •  Calling someone a "monster" is a lot (1+ / 0-)
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          different that using rascist rhetoric.

        •  Power IQ > Ferraro IQ (0+ / 0-)

          so it's not likely that Power would make such a misstep. So, yeah, I for one could live with a "rule" like that. Ferraro, on the other hand, is clearly insensitive (if not out and out racist): witness her cavorting on O'Reilly's program with the rest of the righties. (Besides, I never really saw "monster" as such a terrible thing to call anyone... especially when it's accurate.)

          I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

          by scrape on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:59:34 PM PDT

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      •  needs to go back on air and repeat (0+ / 0-)

        HRC is a monster (due to her racist campaign)
        Hilbots want to play dirty, ok lets play really dirty.
        When Obama gets 99% will that send a big enough message to HRC!

    •  Ridiculous (3+ / 0-)
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      The Clinton campaign has been two-faced about this since yesterday.

      They clearly are delighted to have Ferraro's message repeated, tut tut about it, but not act upset or concerned.

      They are vile. I have voted for every Democratic candidate since McGovern. But I will not vote for Hillary Clinton.

      Absolutely disgusting.

      •  On what possible (0+ / 0-)

        basis do you claim that the Clinton campaign is "delighted"?

        And considering your claims of "vile" and "disgusting," I refer you back to my comment about mobs and torches.  Based on your nuttiness, I have the opinion that you are unhinged and completely beyond rational discourse.  At least my opinion has some basis in fact.  Can you say the same thing?

        And finally, in the event that you are still capable of reading for the foam emanating from your mouth, half of the Democratic electorate is for Hillary Clinton.  How do you think that your bizarre and loony statements are going to bring those folks back into the fold come November?  I hear all these people say that if Clinton wins, nobody will vote for her, and that the "divisions need to be healed."  What are you or Kos or any of the other lunkheads around here doing to woo Clinton supporters to your side assuming Obama wins.  Trust me, "vile" and "disgusting" is not going to work.

        "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

        by jsmdlawyer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:43:34 PM PDT

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        •  The Clintons are delighted (0+ / 0-)

          because it managed to interject race bigtime into the election.

          The evidence of their delight is Maggie Williams' disgusting statement last night blaming OBAMA for the controversy.

          This is stock in trade Karl Rove/Mark Penn/Harold Ickes garbage, and just because the game playing is from a fellow Democrat makes it no better. It makes it worse.

          Open your eyes. Your devotion to Clinton is blinding you.

          •  Obama's fault... (0+ / 0-)

            ..for being black, I guess.

          •  I'm just going to (0+ / 0-)

            very quietly step towards the door over here.  Very quietly, no big deal.  Very calm, peaceful.  And now I'm going to run like hell, because you are insane.

            You start with the proposition that Clinton is a racist, and proceed from there.  And working "Rove" into it was a perfect tinfoil hat transition, "Rove" being the new Daily Obama stock in trade for "anything I don't like that makes my candidate feel bad."

            And I'll ask again:  how are you and your tinfoil hat going to woo Clinton voters assuming Obama wins?  You're doing really poorly so far, let me assure you.

            "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

            by jsmdlawyer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:52:07 PM PDT

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            •  I never said she was racist (0+ / 0-)

              But they are exploiting racism for their own political gain.

              They know that a lot of white Democratic voters are quesy about blacks, and having a black for president.

              They want Obama's race to be an issue.

              But they don't want to have their fingerprints on the promotion of this idea.

              The overwhelming number of Kossacks get this; sorry that you don't.

              I am not insane. I am rational, and heartbroken at what the Clintons are doing to our party and our country.

              •  If it quacks like a racist... (0+ / 0-)

                It's racist to make an opponent's race an issue. I have no problem calling the Clintons what they are: racist.

                I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower

                by scrape on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:03:38 PM PDT

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            •  take your ball and go home (0+ / 0-)

              Supporters of the candidate in second place always are the ones more likely to threaten to "take their ball and go home"... perhaps this is your surest sign of desperation.  And the name calling.

              But you seem particularily angry that people would suggest the Clinton camp is associating itself with the comments made by Ferraro.  Well, obviously Clinton has not said she agrees with the comments, but actions speak just as loud as words.  Given Clinton's tepid resonse (and then Williams' defense/lame counter accusation of Obama's camp), there is no doubt about how Clinton's camp feels on the matter.  They are going to use it to their political advantage...  (as a Hillary supporter would you demand anything less?????) Do you really have any doubt about that?  Not convinced???  Compare the hypocrisy in their reaction to Powers' remarks that Hillary was a monster,  Clinton's supporters had a fit.  But now, they don't seem to mind when a member of their own campaign finance committee diminishes Obama's accomplishments with a racist remark.

              You're free to argue that Clinton's camp is not associated with Ferraro's comments, but when you take a look at what they've done (or not done) to distance themselves from the remarks, it's a pretty a dumb argument.

              •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

                I'm going to support whoever wins the nomination, fully and completely.  But not everybody has as thick a skin as I do, and not everyone is as devoted a Democratic partisan as I am.  I'd also note that when Obama was trailing, the number of "if Clinton wins, I won't ......" comments and diaries was best numbered in the hundreds if not the thousands.

                Obama remains highly likely to win.  But when it comes time to bind the divisions up and move forward as a party, there will be those folks who will look at the bile being spewed around here and say "if that's what Obama's about, then count me out."  They'll vote for your demi-god, but they won't volunteer and they won't donate as much money, and they won't solicit as many of their friends.  Note to bloggers:  however big this place may be, it's not the real world.  There are people out there who think differently than you do.  Just because they're not here and just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean that they don't exist, or that their allegiances and their beliefs are unworthy.

                And nobody here, from Kos on down, gives a shit about that.  I do, because I recognize that today's enemy is tomorrow's ally within the party.  The tenor of the conversation here (that's being charitable) is appalling.  Vicious hatred, bordering on mentally unstable.  Kos and his legions of rabid dogs are all about the ego masturbation and the inane cheerleading.  He claims to be a party-builder and a big-tent guy.  Bullshit -- over the last month or so, his tent has shrunk to the size of a phone booth.

                When it comes time to try to move forward, I suggest that someone put a lock on Daily Kos and mark it "Toxic -- Do Not Open Until After November".  Yes, it's that bad.

                "We have too many high-sounding words, and too few actions that correspond with them." -- Abigail Adams

                by jsmdlawyer on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:50:27 PM PDT

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                •  first point is true (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  YorkshireBob

                  I do agree that when Obama was in the "challenger" role prior to SC (and after NH in particular), the "take my ball and go home" argument was more prevalent among Obama supporters.  A lot of his new support was welling up from independents who felt less of a tie to the democratic candidate than Clinton supporters, but I admit even that rationale was sort of an excuse for the Obama people to pout a little bit if their guy didn't win.  So... now the shoe is on the other foot... and it is curious - but not unexpected - to see Clinton supporters going the same route, after taking offense to such a tactic earlier.  

                  BUT... here's the bigger problem with the way the Clinton supporters are flipping the script... with Clinton, it's not just that she's in second place.  She is ACTIVELY promoting the concept of not voting for the other democrat with HER OWN rhetoric and campaign ads... and that is probably the rhetoric we should be most concerned about as true democratic partisans - not that of some zealous Obama supporters on DailyKos.  The exit polls themselves now show Clinton supporters as more likely to vote for McCain than Obama supporters.  Running red phone ads and spewing talking points to denegrate Obama's foreign policy luster will do that!

                  While criticizing Obama supporters in style may be justified, criticizing them in substance is not going to hold water.  We can not lose sight of where the problems are coming from... namely the candidate (or the canidate's surrogates) who is throwing the kitchen sink into the mix and putting all kinds of damaging rhetoric into play.  If democrats or Obama supporters alike can't call Hillary's tactics out for what they are without having the Clinton Camp double-speak the blame right back toward Obama's Camp (like Ferraro calling Obama's camp the ones who are racist... are you kidding?), then the root of the problem is implicitly accepted, which is that Clinton's last best tactic is to engage in negative and devisive campaigning (via herself, tv spots and surrogates) and be quick to point the finger back at Obama's Camp when she's called out for it.  Might make Mark Penn and Maggie Williams very proud but don't we agree that this is a bit unhealthy for the deomcratic party????  Do all Clinton supporters agree with her latest tactics???  If not, then I think there's common ground for agreement with Obama supporters.

                  For example, in both camps, I think people realize (deep down) that they will have to vote for the other candidate if their candidate loses the race.  It might feel like a punch in the face right now and so others may not admit it, but it won't be in November.  The key difference is that Obama has never never never told his supporters (or implied to his supporters) to vote for John McCain if he doesn't win... Clinton HAS done so (and done so multiple times, which means it's not an accident) with her "John and I have crossed the threshold" and "all Obama's got is a speech" comments.  THAT is the kind of rhetoric and politics that tears a party apart (or at least takes a crowbar to it's kneecap).

                •  thick skin? more like a thick head. (0+ / 0-)

                  But when it comes time to bind the divisions up and move forward as a party, there will be those folks who will look at the bile being spewed around here and say "if that's what Obama's about, then count me out."

                  About what, objecting to race baiting?  Against denigrating states that don't vote for Hillary?  Against having our nomination stolen after the stolen election of 2000?

                  Hillary apologists would like to pretend that the dislike for her amongst lefty Democrats is as irrational as Rush Limbaugh's.  But that's not the case - the enmity towards Hillary is 100% based on her actions (voting for Kyl-Lieberman) and the campaign she's running (union busting pollsters, praising McCain while trashing Obama).

                  I'd also note that when Obama was trailing, the number of "if Clinton wins, I won't ......" comments and diaries was best numbered in the hundreds if not the thousands.

                  Um, what?  Obama has never trailed Hillary.  Not in states won, not in delegates won, nor in the popular vote.  Kos put up a nice piece back in February showing that Obama hadn't had a single day where he didn't tie or beat Hillary in the number of pledged delegates.  Now she might have gotten more delegates on Tuesday, I'm unsure of the totals - but he still finished the week with an increased advantage in delegates won and in the popular vote.

        •  HRC supporters can support the winner (0+ / 0-)

          or suffer under four more years of McTerminal and his most likely surprise successor VP.
          if they care about the Democratic party and the future of the US, support Obama, he has the majority and the delegates NOW.
          Being Bush-lite will doom this country.

    •  I'm confused... (1+ / 0-)
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      Are you advocating for slander and racism to be apart of the Dem primaries?

      I am crass and hostile. If you want to be comforted and babied, unplug your internet connection and call your parents.

      by nanobubble on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:40:24 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not sure whom you're referring to... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...other than Farrakhan, who was a) not involved with the Obama campaign in any way, shape, or form, and b) explicitly denounced and rejected by Obama. Given that until a few minutes ago, Ferraro was a member of Clinton's finance committee, and that Clinton has responded to her remarks with only the most tepid of disavowals, the comparison does not seem to be apt.

      You know, as recently as of a couple of months ago, I was regularly defending Clinton against the sectarian excesses of the Obama camp. Since then, she seems to have set out to validate every nasty right-wing smear ever made about her. It really seems she would rather be the nominee of the party of Archie Bunker, than merely a prominent member of the party of inclusion and hope. If she and her supporters have become unpopular of late, that is no one's fault but hers.

  •  Only "on Clinton's head" in the blogosphere (0+ / 0-)

    If it didn't work, they wouldn't be doing it.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:34:35 PM PDT

  •  I hope Clinton is endangering her seat in NY (4+ / 0-)

    If Obama can destroy the Clinton Machine, maybe she will also lose her Senate seat for race baiting.

    She is up in four years. Another spot where we need new and better Democrats.

    The Clintons may just as well go ahead and join the Republican Party. They are so done here.

  •  The fundamental fact is that this is what costs (6+ / 0-)

    Democrats the nomination: South Carolina everyone managed to walk back the racial overtones. But here, the resentment was viceral, the messenger unrepentant, and the Clinton's message to superdelegates crystal clear. He is too black to win the general election and not winning the big states and sealing the deal means you can't trust him to deliver come November.

    They've delivered the message and the Obama folks need to remake the case of his competancy all over again.

    But the Clinton's got EXACTLY what they wanted out of this media firestorm and I truly believe the Olberman special comment that was apparently coming was the only reason they walked this back.

  •  Maybe Ferraro Heard About Bill's Party (0+ / 0-)

    And was interested in that idea...

    /sarcasm.

  •  And here come the Clinton denialists... (6+ / 0-)

    ...it's Barack's fault ya know for bringing up the inappropriateness?  and as ferraro said, she's doing barack a favor for pointing this out for everyone.

    disgusting.

  •  Follow her lead, Hillary! (0+ / 0-)

    Get the fuck out the race

    I am crass and hostile. If you want to be comforted and babied, unplug your internet connection and call your parents.

    by nanobubble on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:35:47 PM PDT

  •  "This crossed the wire. " (0+ / 0-)

    Arrrgh.... even the littlest things that blowhard does set my teeth on edge.

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:35:56 PM PDT

  •  Hahahahaha! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    Sorry, didn't read the diary yet, just the title "Ferraro defends herself on Bill O'Reilly".  Priceless! Can't wait to get the details, but am too busy laughing to read!

    The Neocons' biggest mistake was in allowing the Internet to happen.

    by pakaal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:36:01 PM PDT

  •  it'll get worse (4+ / 0-)

    Bill's from Arkansas so he knows firsthand how to play the race card, apologize, then play it again, say your sorry, then play it again and again until they win... then apologize and ask us minorities to vote for them against the evil and racist republicans.

    •  Worse thing is once Bill left, Huck got more AA (0+ / 0-)

      votes then Bill did, Huck got more AA votes then the Democrats.

      Think about that.  That's what the GOP is banking on in the future.  

      I will drink the Clinton Campaign Champagne 'cause Kool-aid is for kids!

      by Shhs on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:39:11 PM PDT

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    •  But what is amazing is the LGBT support (0+ / 0-)

      the Clintons seems to harvest, I don't get it.

      Most people who play the race card almost always play the gay card, and if they hate blacks, forget about gays.  They detest them.

      And why would any gay person agree to this behavior?

  •  Wow! Defending her bigoted remarks on the show (2+ / 0-)
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    of a man who proven himself to be a bigot but is in a complete state of denial about it.  It kinda reminds me of the of the old news reel footage of southern politicians claiming that separate but equat is not racist.  O'Reilly could provide a rationalization for cat shit tasteing like brownies if it would sell his books among other reasons for him to do so......

  •  Next thing you know Clinton will be on O'Reilly (4+ / 0-)
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    Talking up what a great guy John McCain is.

    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

    by CA Libertarian on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:36:40 PM PDT

  •  You'll be surprised what you hear (2+ / 0-)
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    jj32, TheRationalLeft

    Behind closed doors. I once knew a presdient of the Michigan Young Demcorats who, in public, would talk about tolerance and equality, but it another room will talk about how tough it is being a straight white male in the Democratic Party.

  •  Thanx for the help w/Mississippi, Ger (0+ / 0-)

    Clinton the Monster. :(

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:37:11 PM PDT

  •  The Grand New Strategy: (0+ / 0-)

    Kos properly put this into perspective:
    "she has no hope of winning the nomination absent a coup by super delegate."

    Well, she does have hope. That hope is framing Barack Obama as Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. The last time I remember when someone tried to destroy another candidate personally, John Kerry was swift-boated and called a criminal.

    Now, Obama is being cast in much the same way.

    Although Obama thus far ran a civil campaign - one of hope and inspiration - I believe that at this point he won't risk much going after her like she is after him. The people he needed to bring to this political process are already with him and are unlikely to leave even if he is to engage into negative politics. Hillary has by far more negatives than Obama and he should pursue exposing it.

    http://rationalleft.com/

    by TheRationalLeft on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:37:27 PM PDT

  •  Gerry is right! (1+ / 1-)
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    wscrews

    Obama wouldn't be as far as he is without race being a factor.  I also think that Clinton wouldn't be where she is if she wasn't the wife of an ex-President.  They are both intelligent and capable people but that doesn't mean we have to ignore reality.

    •  GERRY IS WRONG! (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm sorry you're still drinking her milkshake!

      You dont win an election, and you dont serve a democracy by trying to keep people out, you're supposed to try and bring them in...--Barack Obama

      by wscrews on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:43:22 PM PDT

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      •  Gerry might be right (sort of)... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...but for realist rather than racist reasons.  I have no idea whether or not Geraldine Ferraro’s recent comments are evidence that she is a racist.  She may well be, and that’s sad.  But do I believe that these comments, while much more than a little troubling, are not per se racist.  To suggest that Sen. Obama would not be where he is today in this presidential primary race were he not black is not to denigrate him, or his successes, or his qualifications.  It is simply recognition that his race has played a big part in who he is.  If we like him or support him for who he is, then we have to allow that his race is part and parcel of the man Barack Obama has become.

        It is not racist to suggest or to accept that Sen. Obama’s race has brought him to where he is, both in his personal life and in his political life.  Sen. Obama celebrates his African-American heritage and his successes as a black man.  (Check out his books.)  His campaign website boasts that he "was born in Hawaii...[h]is father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British."  At Harvard, "he became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer...his advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate,...he became the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate." (All italics here and below are added.)

        Again from the Senator’s campaign website:  "It is an exciting time for African Americans, who will play a pivotal role in this election....There is no better advocate for African Americans than Barack Obama.  Barack knows your story, because it is his story.  The causes that you hold dear have been the causes of his life."

        Sen. Obama is not the only one who celebrates his African-American heritage and his successes as a black man in a white world.  Biographer, Steve Dougherty, writes that Sen. Obama’s personal story is basis of his political desire to unite.  He "grew up in Hawaii, forever an outsider, a black kid abandoned at age two by his father,...raised by [his white grandparents] in a white neighborhood and looked at askance by all of a more definable hue and tribe, who struggled mightily to find an identity and purpose in life,...has risen to become...a voice whose call for a union undivided by liberal and conservative, red state and blue, or black and white, springs from his own struggles to find a way to united his own divided heart...."  (Source: "Hopes and Dreams," by Steve Dougherty, p. 34 Feb 15, 2007.)

        Publisher’s Weekly describes (excerpt at Amazon.com) how Sen. Obama’s first book, "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance," came about.  "Elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama was offered a book contract, but the intellectual journey he planned to recount became instead this poignant, probing memoir of an unusual life.  Born...to a white American woman and a black Kenyan student....  So Obama's not-unhappy youth is nevertheless a lonely voyage to racial identity,.... He slowly found place and purpose among folks of similar hue but different memory, winning enough small victories to commit himself to the work."

        Audio File (excerpt also available at Amazon.com) makes similar comments about "Dreams."  .  "Throughout the book, the U.S. Senator looks at race from the point of view of someone who has seen and been part of a variety of cultures, and he explains how his perspective shaped his views."

        From an Editorial Review (at Amazon.com) for "Barack Obama: An American Story," by R. Edwards and K. Call:  "Of mixed race and cultures, Barack Obama struggled for years with his identity and place in society.  ...[H]e has made history as the fifth African American U.S. senator ever to be elected.  Now "the skinny kid" continues his political journey and strives to become the nation’s first black president. ...Senator Obama’s life has been interesting and inspiring."

        Check out other titles on Barack Obama:  "The Politics of Hope," "The Improbable Quest."  Ask yourself — and be honest — would Sen. Obama’s story be as hope-filled, improbable, inspiring, poignant, powerful and compelling is he were not an African-American in an all-too-white world?

        You also have to ask yourself:  Would this little-known state senator (who lost his bid in 2000 for the U.S. Congress) have been given the opportunity to give the Keynote Speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention if he were not black?   And isn't that where the country was first introduced to this inspiring man?  Would his story be as inspiring and compelling if he had grown up as just another poor white kid — like say, John Edwards?  Had Obama  not been given the Keynote Speech and had he not done such a wonderfully rousing job of it, would Obama have won his seat in the U.S. Senate, and would he have been able to move on so quickly to put his hat into the ring for the 2008 presidential election?  And, given former Pres. Clinton’s popularity with black voters — i.e., "the first black president" — do you think that Sen. Obama would have been able to wrest that vote from Sen. Clinton to the extent that he has if he were not black?  (Remember, his own campaign website states:  "It is an exciting time for African Americans, who will play a pivotal role in this election....There is no better advocate for African Americans than Barack Obama.  Barack knows your story, because it is his story.  The causes that you hold dear have been the causes of his life.") And, would he be where he is in the primary numbers without that black vote?

        This country is not color blind — would that it were.  If Sen. Obama can use his color to his advantage (and to the advantage of his constituents, his supporters and, ultimately, this country), then more power to him!!  But we shouldn't kid ourselves into thinking that his race has not played a part in getting him (meaning pushing or driving him to find himself and to succeed, not pulling him along regardless of his abilities) where he is today.  Not any more than Sen. Clinton can deny that her gender (and even her husband) has helped her.  Whether Obama’s color and Clinton’s gender are viewed as burdens to overcome or to capitalize upon, or as benefits to take advantage of, color and gender are part of who these candidates are.  And who they are is why we support them.

        •  GF quote, which I have not seen/heard but only... (0+ / 0-)

          ...read, could have been cut and pasted from Obama's book where he says quite the same thing.

          It's all politics. Everything matters and this late in a primary even if it doesn't matter someone will use it and make it matter

          That's why I won't work for a candidate in a primary - they all end up this way.

          HR 676 or California's SB-840 - the only health reform proposals worth my vote.

          by kck on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:07:35 PM PDT

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    •  John Edwards (1+ / 0-)
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      Young, charismatic, not a lot of experience, probably would have been the nominee if Obama weren't in the race.
    •  Uprated for ratings abuse, not agreement (0+ / 0-)

      HR 676 or California's SB-840 - the only health reform proposals worth my vote.

      by kck on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:09:14 PM PDT

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  •  can't wait to see ferraro on glenn beck tonight! (4+ / 0-)
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  •  MSMBC is reporting that (0+ / 0-)

    Ferarro resigned from the Clinton campaign.  There's no story yet.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:38:19 PM PDT

  •  Best take I've seen (2+ / 0-)
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    Preach it, sister! Someone had to speak up, and thank God Geraldine Ferraro had the fortitude to do so! Ever since the black man stole our ancestors from Europe and enslaved them in America, they've been trying to keep white folk down. The black man has had it too good in this country for too long! Truth to power, Ms. Ferraro, truth to power.

    But they can't keep us down anymore! Some folks say America isn't ready for a white president, but I say have you seen the numbers for McCain and Clinton? The time is now! And come 2009, we may finally, finally, after walking the long hard road, see a white person in the White House!

    --Nick Kaufmann

    "...And I woulda got away with it, if it hadn't been for that meddling Kos!" ---attributed to Tom DeLay

    by AdmiralNaismith on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:38:22 PM PDT

  •  The Latino vote (4+ / 0-)

    Should take notice by these comments as well.  Not only are her comments racist towards African-Americans, but Latinos as well.  Isn't it convenient that these comments come out after all of the states that have a heavy Latino population have already voted?

  •  Let me see if I have this correctly... (0+ / 0-)

    Ferraro, on a paid speaking engagement that has nothing to do with the campaign--she's not on the campaign's clock but on her own time--makes a statement about Obama.

    Everyone here, claiming she was speaking on behalf of the campaign (when she clearly was not) accuses her promoting racism on behalf of Hillary Clinton?

    And, now you Kos, acknowledging that she left the campaign over the past 24 hrs., say whatever she says will be tied to Hillary going forward, even though she's no longer associated with the campaign...and even though when she made the original comments, she was doing so as a paid speaker, completely outside of campaign activities?

    Sorry...but this crap isn't flushing. And, I'm calling it for what it is.

    A big cup of nuthin'...on your reality-based blog?

    Where's the reality? This is a totally made up story, in terms of it having anything to do with the Clinton campaign, whatsoever!!!

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:38:31 PM PDT

    •  she hasn't said this once... she's said it (1+ / 0-)
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      several times.

      She's a senior advisor, everything she says, especially when she's talking ABOUT the campaign is well... ABOUT Hillary's campaign.

      And even after she has said it, Clinton doesn't reject and denounce (barely registers a "oh... I don't agree.. really.. I don't think... sorta) and NOTHING happens to her and she

      resigns with no apology (not that the clinton campaign even would have asked for it) but rather a letter that says "I'll just keep talking about it, but I'll stop working for you" wink.. wink...

      Yeah, Clinton is dirtied from here on out.

      Daddy, Papa & Me: Two dads, a daughter & the politics of it all.

      by wclathe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:44:27 PM PDT

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      •  She resigned like Spitzer just resigned! (0+ / 0-)

        A former Dem vice presidential candidate isn't fired, just like the governor of NY isn't fired.

        Accusing the Clinton campaign of not doing anything is just plain bogus.

        This was handled properly.

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:46:52 PM PDT

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        •  uh.. I didn't say fired (0+ / 0-)

          They did little for just enough time to let her continue to spew her racist remarks.

          then no apologies.

          then no 'denounce and reject'

          just let her quietly go after a lot of damage is done...

          and Hillary INSISTS Barack "denounce and reject' someone who HAS NEVER BEEN ON HIS CAMPAIGN...but rather someone the daughter of his paster gave an award too.

          Really? this isn't "double standard"? This isn't basically 'doing nothing'?

          What 'reality' are you living in?

          Daddy, Papa & Me: Two dads, a daughter & the politics of it all.

          by wclathe on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:46:14 PM PDT

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      •  HRC's only 'dirtied' by people that believe lies. (0+ / 0-)

        This is pathetically typical of bogus, completely hollow campaign rhetoric.

        And, the fact that it's one of the new mantra's here just demonstrates how this blog, lately, has so grossly contributed to Democratic divisiveness.

        There's not a shred of fact to this entire story.

        The cat's out of the bag. Period.

        1 + 1 does not equal 3...except maybe on DKos.

        "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

        by bobswern on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:50:40 PM PDT

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  •  shut UP, just SHUT. UP!! (3+ / 0-)
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    To quote BillO.

    Hey Gerry: News Flash. The only place being a black man gets you if you're unqualified in the USA is PRISON.

    This reverse discrimination bullshit is disgusting.

    You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

    by dnamj on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:38:36 PM PDT

  •  The Idaho Example (1+ / 0-)
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    There aren't a lot of African-Americans in Idaho. There aren't a lot of liberals, either, even among Democrats. I consider myself a libertarian Democrat.

    So how come Obama got 79 percent here in less divisive times?

    A few reasons: (1) he paid attention to us, (2) he took the time to organize us and (3) while I don't think I'd call him a "libertarian" Democrat, he's definitely more open-minded towards us than HRC is.

    This is indicative of the West in general, too. Sure, Obama may not win Idaho, but he can win Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico, which HRC can't. We can take that strategy to November, or hope for Florida again. Take your pick.

  •  In defense of Ferraro, (9+ / 0-)

    Wait a minute - I'm sure something will come to me.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:39:21 PM PDT

  •  Birds of a feather..... (1+ / 0-)
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    Blackadder: Actually, I think he's the most over-rated human being since Judas Iscariot won the AD31 Best Disciple Competition.

    by Johnny Venom on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:39:28 PM PDT

  •  The company you keep (6+ / 0-)

    So far she has chosen the O'reilly, Gibson, and Hannity show to clarify her remarks.  Call me stupid but if she feels she was misinterpreted maybe she should try to reach out to a different audience.  For some reason, I don't think the Fox News' community will have much trouble sympathizing with her.

    It seems like Pat Buchannan, Hannity, O'reilly, and Gibson are the only prominent folks defending her.

  •  She's dumber than dishwater n/t (0+ / 0-)

    What is essential is invisible.

    by bebimbob on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:39:46 PM PDT

  •  last straw. (7+ / 0-)

    I went from mildly supporting clinton a year ago

    to fence a couple months later

    to supporting Obama and still respecting Clinton

    To losing respect but still voting/working for her campaign if she wins the nomination

    to losing a lot of respect but at least voting for her if she wins the election

    to losing all respect and wondering how hard I'll have to hold my nose to vote for her.

    Daddy, Papa & Me: Two dads, a daughter & the politics of it all.

    by wclathe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:39:56 PM PDT

    •  Way past holding my nose! (3+ / 0-)
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      If she is the nominee, no way in Hell am I voting for her. I will write in Barack Obama and then vote for the other Democrats. But I most certainly will not reward HRC and her sketchy campaign for this kind of behavior.

      "That's quite a jump. But you keep it up, I'm sure one day you'll clear that shark."

      by Steve In DC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:43:15 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I'm holding out hope (0+ / 0-)

        that it gets better from here on out and she wins fair and square...

        But if it gets worse and she wins by seating MI "as is" or by superdelegate fiat.

        well, I guess I won't be holding my nose because I won't be voting for the Democratic nominee...

        for the first time in a quarter century

        Daddy, Papa & Me: Two dads, a daughter & the politics of it all.

        by wclathe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:47:57 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      I went from I'm totally and militantly undecided

      to I'm leaning towards Edwards but I don't like either of the other two but any of them are fine in the General

      to I'm going to vote for Obama because Edwards can't do it but if Hillary wins the general that's ok

      to I'm going to vote for Obama because he's the best candidate but if Hillary wins the general that's ok

      to I'm so glad I voted for Obama and I really hope Hillary doesn't win but if she does I guess I'll still support her

      to thank GOD I voted for Obama and if Hillary wins the nomination I can't imagine how I'm going to hold my nose and vote for her.

      If I didn't live in a swing state the last few days would have pushed me to not even voting for her in November for any reason whatsoever.   But at this point that's all I would do.  Hold my nose and vote.  No money.  No work for her.  No trying to get anybody else to vote for her.  

      And if she keeps going I may get to the point where my own personal ethics won't allow me even to vote for her.  Not even for my biggest issue - the supreme court.  

      I agree with Digby: This election is worse than being stuck in seventh grade for the rest of your life. Jesus H Christ.

      by maryb2004 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:51:53 PM PDT

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    •  wclathe, (1+ / 0-)
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      that's about it, in a nutshell.

    •  a familiar story (0+ / 0-)

      .....heard time and again. The only people I know who are pro-Hilary at this point are women who share her age and trajectory to success in public position and respect. They see her as continuing what they have accomplished, which is a lot of good. I'll grant that if you believe that she has accomplished all she says she has, that is a valid reason to vote for her.

      what is more painful and disappointing is that these accomplished women cannot entertain a serious discussion about her accomplishments and cannot even admit that there is any evidence of error on her part. Even if one holds out the olive branch of hil's being ill-served by her campaign managers or surrogates and making the error's theirs.

      Sad sad sad.

  •  I am tired of Kos saying Hillary hates black peop (0+ / 0-)

    GBCW!!!!!!

    Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

    by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:40:01 PM PDT

  •  My impression is that Clinton's (3+ / 0-)
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    campaign has rolled out the racist appeal prematurely; with this much time left before the next primary, too many people will be studying her choices and coming to conclusions about her character. What is she planning to do - go for another 5 weeks along this line? She may win Pennsylvania, but she'll pay a high price in later elections. Her supporters are unmasking themselves as the trotskyite wreckers and mau-mau specialists that they have always been. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.

  •  no it won't she'll win PA (1+ / 0-)
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    and possibly lower Barack's poll numbers against McCain so low that the supers will have no choice but to go with her! She will get the FLorida numbers and the Michigan numbers as well, and Barack will be a footnote in history. I have diaried about this scenario ever since I realized the complicity of the MSM in this...sc style race baiting
    and
    "Howard-Dean-scream-ing" Obama

    Last week he was Karl Rove, this week he's Dem VP?! Excuse me?!

    by karanja on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:42:19 PM PDT

    •  NO, don't think so. (0+ / 0-)

      Deep support vs. shallow support.

      Obama has deep support, from a lot of independent already.

      I will drink the Clinton Campaign Champagne 'cause Kool-aid is for kids!

      by Shhs on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:44:54 PM PDT

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    •  Obama a "footnote of history"? (0+ / 0-)

      Don't Legitimize Fox News.
      "Democrats have the heart to care."

      by jeepdad on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:46:27 PM PDT

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    •  So every time I turn on MSNBC, CNN, local (0+ / 0-)

      affiliate news, read a local paper or flip thru NY Times online and all I see is how Obama is winning, Obama has the momentum, Hillary has lost the narrative, Hillary is losing the finance race...etc. I'm seeing the MSM's helping Hillary?

      Gimme a friggin break.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:17:29 PM PDT

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      •  Obama being in front is merely a fact (0+ / 0-)

        But the MSM going along with Hillary's Spin as if it wer factual news is highly skewed. She has dominated the narrative, and that is how the media is helping her. You may not see it either because you choose to, or because you are limited in your capacity. It would be more to your credit if you are simply chosing not to see it...

        Last week he was Karl Rove, this week he's Dem VP?! Excuse me?!

        by karanja on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:30:06 AM PDT

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  •  Why is she going on right wing radio to defend (0+ / 0-)

    herself?  And why did she go on John Gibson's show to begin with?  Has she given any interviews to liberal radio shows?  

    •  Liberal shows? Not a chance. (1+ / 0-)
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      They would tear her apart.  

      I have to wonder if she is pandering to the republican vote to knock off Obama's support of disaffected Republican voters.

      I vote and I'm pissed off!

      by TheStormofWar on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:45:16 PM PDT

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    •  To appeal to the angry white people vote (1+ / 0-)
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      That's who hillary is aiming for in Pennsylvania, and the campaign thinks pure, unfocused anger is better than providing solutions and vision for the country to get their votes.

      •  No it's not. (0+ / 0-)

        It's to put the broader narrative out that Obama is unelectable because his race got him there - and O'Reilly will now help push that narrative. There aren't enough race votes for her to win. She's setting herself up to be the only hope for Dems in November and to make that case at the convention.

        -6.00, -7.03
        "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

        by johnsonwax on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:06:25 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  This entire thing has gone right off the rails (4+ / 0-)

    I wrote about the possibility of all this (An Open Letter to Senator Barack Obama) ages ago.  What started out as pissy bullshit on both sides has now erupted into racial warfare.  I am rather shocked at Geraldine Ferraro - but then I was shocked over Joe Biden as well.

    If this doesn't stop (and not only stop - both sides have to sit down and openly talk about what has happened) - the Democratic Party will have managed to lose the only sure-thing election in modern history.  I mean - a Ficus tree could beat the Republican Party this time around.  Yet we did it - we blew it; and over a subject we as progressives should practically own.

    There is video of George Bush singing jauntily about all those dead people following Katrina - and what is the news lead?  Eliot Spitzer’s penis and Geraldine Ferraro's big mouth (and no - I didn't meant that salaciously).

    This has to stop, my friends - or America loses.

  •  Ha! I figured she'd become Clinton's unpaid (0+ / 0-)

    spokesperson on FUX Network.  Good for her, she deserves to be stuck in a room with sweaty-loofa-boy.

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:43:59 PM PDT

  •  All those Hillary Supers better start (0+ / 0-)

    defecting, lest they want to be tainted with this mess.

    Don't Legitimize Fox News.
    "Democrats have the heart to care."

    by jeepdad on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:44:46 PM PDT

    •  that makes sense (0+ / 0-)

      except for the lack of a relevant argument.  Does that mean you expect Obama's pledged supers to defect over Powers' statements?  Reality is out there, you just have to look for it.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:01:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  How can she resign (0+ / 0-)

    when she was just a "supporter?"

  •  What they really said. (0+ / 0-)

    O'REILLY: "So these people are calling you a racist. Ridiculous."

    FERRARO: "I'm a racist."

    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

    by Fishgrease on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:45:36 PM PDT

  •  It's a good thing... (0+ / 0-)

    that there is no way to stop all this crap.

    Oh wait...

    "Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do." ~Voltaire

    by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:45:57 PM PDT

  •  Hillary dIdnt denounce & reject joined at the hip (0+ / 0-)

    The way I see it

    Obama '08 YES WE CAN
    "The government should be afraid of its people, not the people afraid of its government"

    by DFutureIsNow on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:46:28 PM PDT

  •  Nice edit job Kos (0+ / 0-)

    I suggest everyone click on the link and read the transcript.

  •  Just a disgusting show of leadership (3+ / 0-)
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    by Hillary any way you slice it.  Of course she isn't responsible for Ferraro's words but if Hillary was a true leader she would have made sure Ferraro resigned on day 1 the way that Samantha Powers did.

    Samantha Powers has so much more class than either Hillary or Ferraro.  Powers made a mistake, resigned the day it was found out, and then apologized.

    Ferraro has RUINED her reputation for the rest of her life and Hillary has put a further wedge in the African-American community from the Clinton team because of her LACK OF LEADERSHIP in this matter.

    •  Samantha Powers ruined her image (0+ / 0-)

      but she did what she had to do by quitting.  Clinton denounced Ferraro's remarks.  I'm sure Obama denounced Powers remarks.  Ferraro has now quit.  She and Powers are apples to apples...they both stuck their foot in their mouths, they both hurt their candidates, they both had no choice but to leave.  But to say one is worse than the other is a stretch...at least if you are looking at the situation from an impartial perspective.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:55:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  There is a difference with Samantha Powers (0+ / 0-)

        and Ferraro.  Everybody makes mistakes but it is how you handle your mistake that determines what kind of character you have.

        Samantha Powers has character for she resigned that day and apologized.

        Ferraro didn't resign on day #1 (since Hillary didn't ask her to) and she keeps spewing her ridiculous nonsense.

  •  THE MSM LOVES HILLARY and is ACTIVELY CAMPAIGNING (0+ / 0-)

    for her.

    today on cbs radio i heard that hillary clinton lost by 5 delegates in MS but it was a wash because she made it up with 4 delegates from Colorado and 1 new delegate from NY.

    No mention of Barack's 20+ point margin.

    when barack came back with a delegate wins in california: no mention in the msm
    texas caucuses: no coverage in MSM
    rthe fact that he WON texas is STILL BEING HIDDEN.

    clearly the MSM is skewing this for the corporate candidate:
    Hillary Walmart Clinton.

    •  the msm loves hillary meme is pathetic (0+ / 0-)

      about on par with saying the msm is controlled by liberals when Rupert Murdoch is monopolizing American media.

      But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

      by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:51:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Must of been a real love in (1+ / 0-)
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    Two brow beaten white folk together.  "Were not racist, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean, who is going to stick up the real victims the white folk."

  •  denounce and reject (0+ / 0-)

    and nothing less.  

    But I'm not holding my breath.

    Doing the right thing is so far out of character for Ms. McMonster she can't even denounce and reject John McCain.

  •  1. After Bush, I swore I would never consider (0+ / 0-)

    casting a vote for any Republican, ever.

    1. This mean that if ClintCo is the nominee, I can't vote for her.
  •  I'm sick, just sick (4+ / 0-)

    I can't believe that our party is devolving into race baiting the very first time an African American has a credible shot at the nomination.  It's the 21st century, for god's sake, and it feels like 1957.

    It is far more than Hillary's reputation - and continued political viability - at stake.  It is the reputation of every leader in this party who is standing by silently while the Clinton's run around acting like Lester Maddox.  It's time to hear from Howard Dean, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Al Gore and others.  It might have been fine as of a week ago to communicate privately to the Clintons, but now it has to be public.  And the message has to be "the race baiting must stop, and you'll be held responsible for any further Ferraro-type incidents."

    •  Yup and its the Clintons doing it Go figure. Once (0+ / 0-)

      They were against racism now they embrace it as tight as they can

      Obama '08 YES WE CAN
      "The government should be afraid of its people, not the people afraid of its government"

      by DFutureIsNow on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:52:03 PM PDT

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    •  He may only have a shot because of sexism (0+ / 0-)

      Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

      by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:56:06 PM PDT

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    •  Way to go, way to act? Help me (0+ / 0-)

      A commenter on Thomas C's diary that will remain unmentioned so as not to be pimped suggested calling Deans's office.

      so I did and reported there:

      202-863-8000
      You will be put through directly to Dean's comment line. My message was that Ferraro as a senior member of the party can be and should be taken to account by her peers, the DNC leadership. While they cannot undo the  hurt she has inflicted on anyone of color who has achieved something in our society,  they can  offset the harm she has done to our party. How?

      strip her of her superdelegate status.

      I wrote in the heat of the moment.

      Was I right?
      She is I presume a superdelegate as result of being an ex-VP candidate--same as Gore.

      What are the free speech issues here?

      My thought is that a superdelegate is one because of their achievements as a Dem party leader and are therefore speaking as such whenever they speak. as the Dem Party is pro-affirmative action and anti-racism, she has violated her position as a superdelegate.

      Any opinions here?

  •  I feel for Kos (4+ / 0-)
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    Because he has this blog that has a mission to elect Democrats over Republicans.  If Clinton manages to steal this nomination by hook, crook, and gutter politics, he might have to make a choice between voting for Clinton, or changing this blog.  I'm glad I have no such responsibility.  I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton for president.

    "The time will soon come when you must choose between what is right and what is easy." -- Albus Dumbledore

    by cgvjelly on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:49:07 PM PDT

  •  The Victim Card has worked twice now. (1+ / 0-)
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    In New Hampshire and in Ohio. Hillary has her surrogates out there perpetuating her image as being a victim in all ways. Not just the "reverse discrimination" way.

    This has Rove written all over it. Bush was portrayed as both "Strong" and "Victim" (hey I don't talk too good, but I found Jesus and I got a good heart...).

    But Hillary is NO VICTIM. She has had the finest education money can buy and has access to ALL the levers of power.

    That she used them to abet an illegal war in 2002 and now to destroy her own political party shows her character to be seriously flawed.

    You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

    by dnamj on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:49:14 PM PDT

  •  And Kos is our God who gives judgement: (1+ / 0-)
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    It's inexcusable, and whatever Ferraro says from here on out will be on Clinton's head.- Kos

    A blogger and a God. Who would of thought it.

  •  When will Nancy Pelosi (3+ / 0-)
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    endorse Barack Obama?

    She's expressed outrage at the Clintons' tactics, but she needs to go all out against this vitriolic politics.

    She knows Barack can help add to the House majority better than Hillary.  She knows Barack will come out of the primaries with a pledged delegate lead.

    It's time for Pelosi and other supers to save our party from this scorched earth path. It's now or never.

  •  Clinton: I am entitled to my entitlements (0+ / 0-)

    And no guy of colored skin is gonna taketh away.

  •  Yikes (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry I looked at these comments...  no fun.

    I am crass and hostile. If you want to be comforted and babied, unplug your internet connection and call your parents.

    by nanobubble on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:50:50 PM PDT

  •  Hey, why are they not covering Obama's press (0+ / 0-)

    conference today and the endorsement of distinguished generals and admirals, but are covering a rasict?  

    "The trust of a city street is formed over time from many, many little public contacts." - Jane Jacobs, 1961

    by eyesonthestreet on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:51:06 PM PDT

  •  It seems important to stop defending Clinton (6+ / 0-)

    and stop saying we have two excellent candidates.  There is only one excellent candidate at this point.  

  •  someone needs to take her and drop her (0+ / 0-)

    into the middle of an Africa-American neighborhood in New Orleans.

    Sorry to be crude, but I sure hope I can catch her on a campaign stop her in PA and maybe spit into my hand before I shake hers.  She deserves about that much respect.

  •  Kos' naivete (1+ / 0-)
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    How can you expect people to take what you say seriously when you make comments like these?  

    I see that Ferraro just resigned the campaign so she can conveniently spew this bullshit without being directly linked to Clinton, but the two are now inseparable. The Clinton campaign didn't ask for a resignation, and they looked the other way as Ferraro ramped up the racial rhetoric for political gain.

    It's inexcusable, and whatever Ferraro says from here on out will be on Clinton's head.

    By that logic, since Rezko was Obama's friend back in the day, they are now inseparable, and everything Rezko has done is on Obama's head.

    Did Obama's campaign ask for Power's resignation?  Are you sure?

     Because I read her letter of resgination

    And it claims she's making the decision on her own.

    Have you suddenly become so naive?   Just like the dozens of government officials who have resigned "to spend more time with their families" have resigned just for that reason.  Oh, please.

  •  I'm so sick of the DLC (1+ / 0-)
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    And all their sycophantic enablers.  They've actively sabotaged the Democratic Party for decades.

    Turn the teleprompters off! We need leaders, not news anchors.

    by slippytoad on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:54:26 PM PDT

  •  Where is the NYT (0+ / 0-)

    With this story?  It's virtually nowhere to be found on their site.  This is the most outrageous stunt yet and where are the Democratic leaders?  All bowing to these LOSERS the Clintons?  Who the hell are they and why do we all have to suffer because of them?  I'm fed up and let me get a hold of O'Reily and that loser Ferraro.  I break em off somethin.  

  •  Why Hillary is not dropping out (0+ / 0-)

    Over the last 24 hours, I've made several comments responding to people who were expecting/hoping/wanting/begging Hillary to drop saying essentially there was no way that she was.  My thinking was Hillary was staying in because she thought somehow she could still win the nomination.  

    The quote in the article above gives a more plausible argument:

    ...Obama will be so damaged in the general that he can never be a threat to their ambitions again.

    She knows the nomination is lost for 08.  She wants to damage Obama to the extent that he cannot win in November so that she can run again in '12.  If Obama were to win her next shot would be in '16 when she would be 68 and possibly too old.  

  •  My father said... (0+ / 0-)

    I am white and grew up in mostly democratic Montgomery County , MD. I have lived mostly black Baltimore since 1990.

    My father, a life long democrat a few months ago said to me That the racists in democratic party would never vote for obama. I thought he was exaggerating, as i couldn't believe there were any significant number of racist in the democrats.

    I see now he was right.

    I see now this has been calculated to coincide with her loss in Mississippi and to divided the electorate in Pennsylvania along racial lines

    I see they are using Fox noise to magifiy thier strategy.

    Those who deny this are deluded, ignorant, or cynical.

    Hillary Clinton is shameful.

    GWB has done more to harm America's freedoms and liberties than a million Osama Bin Laden's ever could.

    by IncuriousGeorge on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 02:56:43 PM PDT

  •  where is the Democratic leadership on this? (0+ / 0-)

    i realize that the media is having a field day, but someone else needs to speak out against this divisiveness.  even clinton's most ardent supporters in the party need to know that the African-American vote is critical this fall.

  •  Democrats are so pathetic (0+ / 0-)

    An election they should have won by 10 points in November is now all but lost.  Obama supporters should have just ignored Ferraro from the start.  Turning her into a martyr is going to further alienate huge chunks of middle America.  Clinton supporters just as bad. These two candidates locked in a mutual suicide spiral.  Makes me sick.

    •  No they shouldn't have (0+ / 0-)

      If this was always the strategy, it would have been a whisper.  Now it's out in the open, 6 weeks before Pennsylvania, and it will have lived and died.

      It needs to be out in the open, and Obama should be working the media to make them examine HRC's racism and slow response.

      We can't run away from it.  It's like everything else in a campaign -- this has become HRC's "strength" and we need to attack it head-on.

      We don't need to call her a racist every day.  Rather, take this and have BHO make inspirational speeches about unity, harmony and coming together and a better world and a better, stronger country for our diversity.  Tolerance, lifting people up.

      Use it to his advantage without looking hurt by it.  Appeal to white Pennsylvania's better nature.  He has plenty of time to bring people around and innoculate himself for the GE.  We were always going to have to address this.

      -4.63 -4.77, Stop writing interesting things. I've got to get some work done.

      by mengelhart on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:12:21 PM PDT

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    •  Ignore bigotry? (0+ / 0-)

      This isn't the GOP.

      Hillary Clinton - Uniting the GOP since 1992!

      by kitebro on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:15:20 PM PDT

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  •  Now the GOP has free reign (0+ / 0-)

    to repeat the talking point about Obama since it started with a Dem and because she sought protection from the right. They'll cast themselves as the ones bold enough to speak the truth and the conservatives will start lining up against Obama.

    By the time of the PA primary, Clinton will be able to declare that she is the only one that can end this racial divisiveness and deliver the White House to the Democrats.

    -6.00, -7.03
    "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

    by johnsonwax on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:00:01 PM PDT

    •  They were always going to run against Obama (0+ / 0-)

      as an inexperienced lightweight who got caught up in bline frenzy of adulation. Kos is the prime example  of this frenzy of adulation.

      Sorry I have to run to the Senate floor to abolish torture.

      by bten on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:02:35 PM PDT

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      •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

        But they didn't have Democrats on board to support that assertion and until the other day, and they didn't dare press race as explanation for his nomination. Now they don't have to, they can just quote Ferraro and hide behind the fact that a Dem said those words.

        Before it was pretty hollow. Now they can use Dems against Dems.

        But the point isn't to use this in the general. The point is that Clinton can make the case at the convention that the GOP will use Ferraro in the general against Obama and point to herself as the candidate that can skirt around all of this racial nastiness.

        -6.00, -7.03
        "I want my people to be the most intolerant people in the world." - Jerry Falwell

        by johnsonwax on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:11:01 PM PDT

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  •  Ferraro's letter to Hillary (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think she is done with this yet...:)

    http://tinyurl.com/...

    Dear Hillary -

    I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.

    The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you.

    I won't let that happen.

    Thank you for everything you have done and continue to do to make this a better world for my children and grandchildren.

    You have my deep admiration and respect.

    Gerry

  •  Kos: Feminists are people too. (0+ / 0-)

    Kos says...

    I see that Ferraro just resigned the campaign so she can conveniently spew this bullshit without being directly linked to Clinton, but the two are now inseparable. The Clinton campaign didn't ask for a resignation, and they looked the other way as Ferraro ramped up the racial rhetoric for political gain.

    Well I am glad to see that you got the trophy of her resignation on your mantle, Kos. You just showed how bad you can be.

    The woman didn't say anything wrong or false. But you seem to have her tried, and lynched for it. Why don't you simply pull in your harsh rhetoric of this outstanding woman and realize "you were wrong".

    She is a feminist that is standing up for woman in this election. But you seem to be foaming at the mouth that anything that doesn't work FOR Obama is wrong or evil.

    Again.. if you want to campaign for Obama so badly, Kos. Then set up a DailyObama blog for those diaries. The rest of us would like to get on with the Progressive Issues like FISA and the TIA/NSA crap.

    Simply Sad Kos,
    Wynter

    "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Hitchhiker's Guide

    by Wynter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:06:54 PM PDT

  •  So What Can We Do? (0+ / 0-)

    All I can think of is a letter-writing campaign to the super delegates in my state.

    Dear Senator,

    Hillary Clinton appears willing to torpedo the 2008 Democratic presidential campaign rather than lose the nomination to Barrak Obama...

    Perhaps a surge in Obama contributions every time she goes out of bounds would send her the proper signal. Send another $20 today!

  •  If Hillary wasn't a woman... (0+ / 0-)

    She's still be trailing in the primary.

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:10:00 PM PDT

  •  Josh at TPM has a great video up: (0+ / 0-)

    Don't Legitimize Fox News.
    "Democrats have the heart to care."

    by jeepdad on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:11:44 PM PDT

  •  Q: What do you call a person who employs a racist (1+ / 0-)
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    to speak on their behalf?

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    A: A racist.

    Feingold is my hero.

    by Marc in CA on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:13:27 PM PDT

  •  She's not a racist piece of shit... (1+ / 0-)
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    as far as I know.

    Hillary Clinton - Uniting the GOP since 1992!

    by kitebro on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:13:35 PM PDT

  •  It's a sad day when Geraldine Ferraro and (0+ / 0-)

    First Lady Barbara Bush can stand next to each other, and we can't tell them apart.

    Take a look at the best Progressive T-Shirts around. Drawn by me! On sale now!

    by The Gryffin on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 03:18:08 PM PDT

  •  screw Hillary, Geraldine, Penn (0+ / 0-)

    let them play the race and victim card..I am still very proud of my country that Obama has come as far as he has...yes there are still racists in this nation, but the American people have come together and said they wont fall for race baiting anymore..Barack Obama didnt come as far as he did with just black vote....and thats what scares Hillary and her husband and her team

  •  I have lost count of the number of ways in which (1+ / 0-)
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    Ferraro's comments are offensive to me - the racism, the hypocrisy, or the lack of contrition.

  •  I think it's time to (0+ / 0-)

    bomb HRC's website...  I imagine she has more than a few wavering supporters at this moment.

  •  Why on Bill O'Reilly? (1+ / 0-)
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    No respectable Democrat would use FOX NEWs or associate like Bill O'Reilly as a sounding board against their own kind. No Mother devours her own children even those she is not happy with.  What is her problem? We do have problem Democrats like Ferraro, Lieberman, Schummer, Feinstein, etc. that just are Democrats - they are a hybrid!

  •  Anyone Know? (0+ / 0-)

    Farraro: ...I was speaking to – it was a paid speech.
    ...
    Does anyone know the name of the group that she was speaking to?  Who were the sponsors?

    Thanks in advance.

  •  I have a question... (0+ / 0-)

    Can't the DNC do anything about this shit?

  •  Wow, banner day (0+ / 0-)

    Hey, as a white man who is about to vote in a primary thanks for discussing the issues!
    This is as about as important as the Janet Jackson incident, and a carbon copy.
    Some old, over the hill starlet is looking to get back in the spotlight and does something outrageous and WE EMBELLISH HER.

    Considering Hillary wanting Obama to denounce Farrakon by nuking his house, it seems odd no one is asking the same of Hillary.

    I am not voting for the politician who approved every extension of NAFTA since elected who screams experience when the only experience she has is supposedly sleeping with Bill Clinton and missing key votes on minimum wage and Saipan and other labor issues so she never took a stand on her employer-Wal Mart.

    Hey, if we can, lets never make demands on Obama about single payer coverage that way Nader takes 15% of the vote and McCrazy wins for sure!

    Yep, this is a banner day. Instead of trying to separate himself from the whole scene an assure that he is the best president in history, Obama is waiting this thing out.

    Why not just give the White House to the republicans? Yes, Hillary won Texas, and how many democrats have won Texas in the general election EVER?
    But she is winning the big states.

    This is above all asinine.

    •  Obama can't demand it (0+ / 0-)

      that's the whole point- they want him to call her a racist so they can say, "see- you can't criticze Obama or he'll play the race card!!"

      •  The Point is... (0+ / 0-)

        Obama can refocus his policies to reflect his desire to win the national election.

        Yeah, everyone blames Nader for Bush-UNJUSTIFIABLY!! And they will blame Nader for McShitforbrains. Nader will take 5% of the republican vote and 10% of the democratic vote if we don't insist on some changes.

        1-Single Payer healthcare
        2-We marched in, now we will march out of Iraq
        3-We will change taxes to shift subsidies to oil companies to their CEO's as opposed to their workers

        Obama is at a crossroads, he can seal PA and the national election with some simple changes that will be celebrated. Of course he won't, and congress will do even less solidifying dissent -which will give Nader a nice chunk of the angry.
        Nader will take 2% from Obama for every 1% he takes from McCrazy if changes aren't made

  •  Wow. Ferraro just lost her mind on NBC news. (0+ / 0-)

    I now hav signifant concerns that this 72 y/o woman is in the early stage of some form of dementia.

  •  I feel as though this is probably far more true (0+ / 0-)

    "If Hillary Clinton was just Hillary Rodham, she would not be in this position. If she wasn't the wife to Bill Clinton (or any ex-president), she would not be in this position. She happens to be very opportunistic to have fucked and married the 42nd President, and stayed with him for political purposes. The country's less intelligent folk seem to have forgotten that." -ME

  •  You know what Markos? (0+ / 0-)

    I used to like you, a lot.  During the darkest years of the Bush administration, I found solace and hope with every visit to your site.  And every time I heard asshole wingers criticize you I dismissed them as biased, blinded.  

    But when I read you write stuff like:

    "Taking a candidate who has inspired hope and passion, and working overtime to turn him into the "black candidate" even though she has no hope of winning the nomination absent a coup by super delegate. Now there's a legacy for Clinton. Congrats to her on pulling that one off."

    I realize that you're not immune to bias, prejudice, irrational thought, pettiness, and simply put, being flat out wrong.  

    I am truly disappointed to see you go off the deep-end over this.  I guess you just don't know how to take a balanced view on things.  You're addicted to categorical statements; you need conflict; you need an enemy.

    •  What is it (1+ / 0-)
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      you think the Clinton camp is trying to acheive exactly?

      You really think this is a benign comment unrelated to Obama's candidacy?

      •  It's not just the Ferraro comment... (0+ / 0-)

        It's the flawed, biased "math" kos presents as fact; it's his inability to see in Axelrod the same nastiness he reminds us on a daily basis about Penn, Wolfson, Ickes, and of course, Clinton herself; it's his inability to shy away from cheap conspiratorial arguments that seek to demonize the HRC camp.

        I don't remember Kos bitching about Obama's McLurkin episode, and if he did, well how quickly he forgets.

        I'm left with Atrios, because most others have lost their grip.  

        Let's do a quick exercise, go back to the pre-election 2004 archives of any leading "progressive" blog and you'll see that they wrote of Bush the same way they're now writing about HRC.  It's quite unsettling.

        And it's not just bloggers.  Bill Moyers once asked Keith Olbermann whether he thought comparisons to O'Reilly (on the other side of the spectrum) were unfair.  Keith said, quite correctly, when covering the Bush administration "I think emergency rules apply."  Watch KO now, he talks of Clinton with the same disdain, smugness, contempt he used to talk about Bush.  What happened to "emergency rules"?  I've lost so much respect for him as well.  

        This is all one big disappointment.
         

    •  Off the "Deep End"? (0+ / 0-)

      If you are a Democrat, like KO said tonight in his special comment, you should wretch over Geraldine Ferraro's slanderous and racist propaganda. And the fact that Hillary is NOT distancing herself from that propaganda as a strategic matter is disgusting and worse than anything Karl Rove could have dreamed of.

      I am a former Hillary supporter. But she lost me a long time ago. Her vile tactics are harming the Democratic party and the ideals that it stands for. I hardly think that Kos has gone "off the deep-end over this." If anything, he has been restrained.

      -5.25, -6.31 "Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair

      by butchergirl on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:25:24 PM PDT

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  •  she is a fuckin idiot! (0+ / 0-)

    maybe if she was a black male she will be president by now...

  •  O'Reilly is the place to go (0+ / 0-)

    This asshole was surprised that black people eat like everyone else.

    Change You Can Xerox: Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton

    by Oothoon on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 04:05:44 PM PDT

  •  hope not pimping: ck out this latina diary (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    and cry as many did, and rejoice in the greatness of kossack-ness.

  •  where to go to find your superdel's name? (0+ / 0-)

    My BlueState is the BlueBay State of MA.

  •  Vile anti-Clinton speech from Obama's pastor... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and am posting the link, since I doubt it will any play here on DKOS.

    http://www.foxnews.com/...

    Of particular interest is the mealy mouthed Obama response to these vile sentiments.  The IRS will hopefully take a good look at this Farrakhan-loving "pastor" and his "church."

  •  This is heartbreaking... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...coming from the campaign of the wife of the country's "first black president".  

    Strike One was Bubba trying to paint Obama as the black candidate.

    Strike Two was Hillary demanding that Obama apologize for the words of a fringe figure whom he doesn't know personally.

    Strike Three was Ferraro's hypocritical garbage that she has spewed these past couple of days.  Oh yeah, Geraldine.  The high turnout of female voters in Ohio didn't help Hillary at all!

    This black man won't vote for HRC should she get the party's nomination and I'm not alone.  There are many grumblings in the black community about refusing to vote for HRC in the GE should she get the nomination given her behavior.  

    We only makeup 10&-15% of the vote, but every vote counts as these past close GEs have shown.

  •  Clinton (1+ / 0-)
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    Clinton knows she is finite, so she's going to destroy the party as her idea of revenge. She's NOT one of us, she's into it for herself. Go ahead superdelegates, steal this one away from Obama, that way we can wonder in the wilderness for another 20 years. Where is Howard Dean taking control? Why is Rush urging republicans to vote for Hillary? Hillary is poison for our party, damn right I'm blasting her and will continue to blast her.

    •  Oh please (0+ / 0-)

      You guys talk only to yourselves, work yourself into high dudgeon over trivialities, self-righteously proclaim yourselves better than those poor philistines otherwise known as traditional Democrats, then wonder why people think you're jerks.

      •  Oh please yourself... (0+ / 0-)

        You guys talk only to yourselves, work yourself into high dudgeon over trivialities, self-righteously proclaim yourselves better than those poor philistines otherwise known as traditional Democrats, then wonder why people think you're jerks.

        Ahem, she is no traditional Democrat, a Rethug or a Dixiecrat perhaps, but Hillary Clinton is no traditional Democrat.  Not now, not back in the early 70s when I started voting.

        Born and raised a rethug always a rethug.

  •  That's why the senate is full of Afr. Americans (1+ / 0-)
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    Yeah, Ferraro, blacks get a pass in our society.

    Current make-up of US Senate:

    16 women senators (16%). Historically, 35 women have served there. And NONE of these were Geraldine Ferraro, who ran twice for the US Senate and failed miserably. I guess she woulda won if she were just lucky enough to be black.

    1 African American senator (guess who?), or 1 %. Only 5 African Americans have ever served in the US Senate. I guess they were all too busy using affirmative action to take all the CEO jobs from white men & women to run for office.

    (And currently only an additional 4 racial minority senators serve -- 3 Latinos and 1 Asian American. The sole Native American senator left the senate in 2005.)

    But lest anyone think this opening of "the kitchen sink strategy" to include race is an accident for the Billary’s, take heed. Billary very much want to make race a continual part of the campaign. They figure it will only help them in the KKKeystone state, Pennsylvania, where racism is alive & well.

    They want Ferraro’s portrayal of Obama as the privileged recipient of affirmative action to stay in the news, cause they’re counting on all them whites in Pennsylvania who blame "affirmative action" for not getting a job (the devastation of the steel industry was just an accidental coincidence). Whites who think no black should get a job until every white person has one.

    "You’ve got a friend with a pointy white hood in Pennsylvania."And lest we forget, the very same thing could be said about Michigan & Florida, where ALL the Billary news commentators and supporters are pushing for "do overs" on all fronts. Race will serve them well in those states, too.

    •  Thank you for pointing that out. (0+ / 0-)

      I will be using it to help make the case against the more intractable of Hillary supporters... grrr....

      •  Hillary's supporters would rather burn The Party (1+ / 0-)
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        ...to the ground.

        Her supporters are a problem because most of them haven't a clue about her positions, they just blieve it's her time and they think it's a twofer with Bill.

        These are the people who, ahem, have no problem with the possibility that their salary may be garnished for her silly health plan.  

        That's it in a nutshell, the other side of her crew are lowend uneducated oldworld Dixiecrats - and these are the older ones, like my parent's age, in their late 60s to knocking on death's door who are picking the lesser of 2 evils in their eyes.  They'll take a woman, and remember you get Bill as a twopher, but certainly no blacks in the White House.

        The other small percentage are Echo Chamber Rush lovin' wingnuts trying hard to punish the Dems because they think we are responsible for them getting stuck with McBush or as they lovingly call him - McShamnesty.

        But you wait and see what happens if she gets the nomination. The real bloodletting will then begin. Wingnutville is salivating just waiting to Swiftboat her into oblivion, and they will.  They will destroy her just based on her past.  The day after the general, the day we lose because of her misguided campaign, her supporters will be gone, they could care less about The Party, this is a one-time-shoot-their-load-free-for-all for them.

        Her nomination will be a repeat of '68 and the Party of Jefferson will be left in shambles.  Moreover, Hillary and her supporters would rather destroy The Party - burn it to the ground - than see their candidate lose.

        Disgusting, sickening and revolting.

  •  A match made in bigot's heaven (0+ / 0-)

    Congresswoman Pot, meet Mr. Kettle...

  •  Nice - going on BILLO & FAUX - classy (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary was so upset by Tweetie's remark a few weeks back, and now she sends this old coot out to speak out of turn??

    Hillary, you are a Rethuglican you were born one and you are obviously running as one.  Or as a modern version of a Dixiecrat.  Hillary is evoking the fond memories of Al Gore Sr, Strom Thurmond and Orval Faubus.

    I ain't voting for a Dixiecrat or a Rethug, thanks but no thanks.  Let's hope she loses PA and all the rest going forward and the Clintons are history, just like the Bushes.

  •  It's a game for HillBillary (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, The Mac and Hillary Show offer us the same "looking back in anger" song Oasis gave us a few years back. But they forgot something - something Obama remembers. The song says "don't look back in anger". What we need is a tomorrow we can define. Not a tomorrow defined by the burdens of yesterday. Being better than yesterday is a pretty low aim. We want a tomorrow we can build. More on this in my blog at http://angryafrican.wordpress.com/...

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