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So sayeth the NY Times/CBS poll. And this is not going to help John McCain win an election (nor help John Boehner keep his job... who wants to be a Republican? The answer is no one).

Americans are more dissatisfied with the country’s direction than at any time since the New York Times/CBS News poll began asking about the subject in the early 1990s, according to the latest poll...

The dissatisfaction is especially striking because public opinion usually hits its low point only in the months and years after an economic downturn, not at the beginning of one. Today, however, Americans report being deeply worried about the country even though many say their own personal finances are still in fairly good shape.

Ouch. Maybe it's because no one can stand George W. Bush, and everyone realizes he's ruined the Republican brand.

The unhappiness presents clear risks for Republicans in this year’s elections, given the continued unpopularity of President Bush. Twenty-eight percent of respondents said they approved of the job he was doing, a number that has barely changed since last summer. But Democrats, who have controlled the House and Senate since last year, also face the risk that unhappy voters will punish Congressional incumbents.

Oooh, I love that fair and balanced analysis. By the way, it's the exact same tripe (Democrats will pay for Republican failures) that the media was pushing just before the Democrats unexpectedly retook Congress in 2006. That's hogwash, probably stuck in by an editor looking over his or her shoulder. Republican self-identification is down, Democratic primary votes are up, people vote the economy, and

The poll found that Americans blame government officials for the crisis more than banks or home buyers and other borrowers. Forty percent of respondents said regulators were mostly to blame, while 28 percent named lenders and 14 percent named borrowers.

In assessing possible responses to the mortgage crisis, Americans displayed a populist streak, favoring help for individuals but not for financial institutions. A clear majority said they did not want the government to lend a hand to banks, even if the measures would help limit the depth of a recession.

John McMoreofsame, economics reformer in a change election? I think not.

A majority of nearly every demographic and political group — Democrats and Republicans, men and women, residents of cities and rural areas, college graduates and those who finished only high school — say the United States is headed in the wrong direction. Seventy-eight percent of respondents said the country was worse off than five years ago; just 4 percent said it was better off.

Blather on, cable TV, about the horse race. Americans are paying attention to the shape our country is in, and they will not ignore which party was in the White House steering us there.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:55 AM PDT.

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  •  Awwww (14+ / 0-)

    I feel so bad for them. 7+ years of fscking up the country, and nobody appreciates it.

    (-8.12, -7.33)
    "I am not a politician, I only suffer the consequences." Peter Tosh

    by AndrewMC on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:58:08 AM PDT

    •  I don't know whether to be a Nervous Nellie (8+ / 0-)

      or look forward to the Perfect Storm...

      but ah, fuckit, I'm leaning towards Perfect Storm

      John McCain - Like W. Only Older.

      by InsultComicDog on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:01:25 AM PDT

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      •  I'm leaning towards Pickett's Charge (4+ / 0-)
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        Slaughter them all, indiscriminately and without pity.

        •  Or, less violently, humiliate them without pity. (4+ / 0-)

          Their party needs to be obliterated, shamed into a fundamental restart, possibly even splintered and reformed into a new party or parties.

          And that will happen if we destroy them at the polls in November.

          Problem is, if WE lose in November, our party also is history. We will splinter and have to restart, and frankly if we lose this one we would deserve to end as a party.

          Wes Clark for VEEP!
          Obama/Clark: You want a side-order of Realignment to go with that Change?

          by pat208 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:29:39 AM PDT

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        •  Metaphorically speaking? (1+ / 0-)
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          I hope.  

          I would like nothing more than a return to the sensible policies when Democrats held substantial majorities in both houses of Congress.  The difference between Democratic control and GOP control is that Democrats actually think for themselves and make their own conclusions about issues (thus the seemingly "fractured" party) while Republicans take orders from their cronies in the executive suites and goose step in time.

      •  Be careful what you wish for.... (0+ / 0-)

        I've been craving justice be meted out to bu$hco. Now that it's coming, I'm fearful of the wallop it'll pack....!

        "Give me convenience OR give me death!"... (who'da thunk the Dead Kennedys nailed it)

        by speckitis on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:39:25 AM PDT

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        •  Justice will never come for them (1+ / 0-)
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          because the person who I expect will become the next President has vowed to close Guantanamo.  True Justice would have Bush, Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Gonzales, Rice, Rove, Mukasey (yes, even Mukasey), Rumsfeld, and a host of others sitting in solitary confinement for weeks on end and subjected to sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures and humiliation.

          But since we don't believe in torture, indictment, prosecution, trial and upon guilty verdicts (they've already admitted to breaking numerous criminal statutes), long prison sentences with hard labor will suffice.

      •  Please do (1+ / 0-)
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        Nervous Nellies don't win.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:58:15 AM PDT

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    •  I want to know more about Conyers' threat (1+ / 0-)
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      to Impeach if Bush takes us to war with Iran.

      Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom. -- Barack Obama

      by Jimdotz on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:22:15 AM PDT

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      •  Doesn't he have enough already? (1+ / 0-)
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        With the latest example of Yoo's sparkling legal acumen, why wait?  The administration has already determined the military isn't subject to Constitutional restrictions (despite the fact that the Third Amendment requires an act of Congress to allow troops to be housed in a home without the owner's consent) in a time of war.  Since we are now in a perpetual state of war, that means the Decider can order the Army to search your house and take your property.

        And you thought we lived in a democracy.  Impeach the rat bastards already.

    •  It sucks to be them! (1+ / 0-)
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      Born in Oklahoma Raised in Ohio Escaped to Meechigan!!!

      by MI Sooner on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:27:19 AM PDT

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    •  No GOP Free Pass in Congress (0+ / 0-)

      The Dems can and should make it clear to electorate that the GOP is to blame for Congress's inability to get much passed. How?

      Instead of letting the GOP threaten to filibuster us at each turn, make them do so. Call them on it, again, and again. And the more popular the issues the better.

      If we cower in fear of GOP threats we only embolden them to use the threats more often.

      Call their bluff and put them on the front page of ever newspaper and television news show blocking popular legislation that the majority of American's support.

      It doesn't really matter if they cave on their threats or if they follow through on their filibusters - Either way we win.

      They either highlight who the real obstructionists really are OR we either get our legislation (or a Bush veto which, while not optimal, also helps us).

  •  LOL (9+ / 0-)

    it's the Democrats fault. Yeah, good luck with that one fellas.

    Read UTI, your free thought forum

    by DarkSyde on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 04:59:46 AM PDT

    •  You watch, though (5+ / 0-)

      That's the Rovian way--strength into weakness. That's how they'll do it.

      (-8.12, -7.33)
      "I am not a politician, I only suffer the consequences." Peter Tosh

      by AndrewMC on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:07:57 AM PDT

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    •  It's not so much that it's the Dem's fault (5+ / 0-)

      The NYTimes said voters might blame incumbents.  Is it really so hard to believe?  Even true blue analysts and partisans bemoan the dem's ability to "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory."

      If voters weren't taking at least a little frustration out on the dems how do you explain McCain's positives?    Not even I think they should be as low as Bush's  but somewhere in to 30-40% range would be much more rational than sitting in the mid 40s.

      Lets remember the Democrats aren't above reproach either.  We are the party of Jay Rockefeller, and our leadership has played the patsy to W. for the majority of the congress.

      •  It's the economic populism, stupid (4+ / 0-)

        Democrats will get blamed for the status quo precisely to the extent that they present themselves as agents of the status quo.  That's why Obama's change message is so central to this election.  He's really branded himself with that word, to an extent McCain will never match.

        This survey shows how hungry people are for a strong economic populist message.  It's long past time Democrats developed an economic program for reversing the growing income disparity in this country.  That means increasing working peoples' incomes and dramatically increasing the tax burden on the wealthy.

        Republicans have been doing precisely the opposite for almost 30 years, and that's what has brought us to this pass.  You want your change?  There it is, right there.

        Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

        by Dallasdoc on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:43:42 AM PDT

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      •  McCain's "positives" aren't all that good (4+ / 0-)

        Just remember, McCain's "positives" are under 50% at a time when a majority of Americans still think he is a moderate and a "maverick", thanks to the MSM.  Also remember that he is running unopposed at this point.  I heard a commentator on Countdown say that is very bad news for McCain.  He has no where to go but down.  Once the Democrats introduce the real John McCain to Americans, and Americans get to know Obama, McCain is going to tank.  Hopefully he will take a lot of Republicans down with him.

    •  Democrats in media. (0+ / 0-)

      It's true. The Democrats who we all know run the media have done a piss-poor job of counterbalancing Reality's well-known Liberal bias.

      A more accurate moniker might be... the Loch Ness Social Anxiety Creature. -Satchel, Get Fuzzy.

      by Judge Moonbox on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:44:29 AM PDT

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    •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

      no close elections for Rove to steal this time.

      The DLC Hyperreality has been breached~

      by plok on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:03:11 AM PDT

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      •  Don't get overconfident. (0+ / 0-)

        When you think that the worst things that can be said about Obama have already been said, remember the words of Al Jolson: "You ain't seen nothing yet."

        The Republican Noise Machine is a wounded animal. That's when they get really vicious.

        A more accurate moniker might be... the Loch Ness Social Anxiety Creature. -Satchel, Get Fuzzy.

        by Judge Moonbox on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:02:47 AM PDT

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  •  Of course, there's much work to be done tying (9+ / 0-)

    McCain to Bush, and making sure that people know that McCain's maverick reputation isn't rooted in reality.

    •  Didn't I read around here that (3+ / 0-)

      McCain actually votes "with" the mainstream republican stands something like 80%+ of the time?

      •  So? The public (3+ / 0-)
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        especially swing and independent voters view him as a maverick, which is beneficial to him, as that makes it more difficult for us to tie him to Bush's policies.

        •  not so difficult (2+ / 0-)
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          it won't be a unanimous election, but McCain can't go right because of indies and can't go center because of the nutters in hthe GOP base that still don't trust him.
          http://blog.washingtonpost.com/...

          I have seen no evidence that Sen. McCain is successfully unifying the Republican Party or drawing conservatives into his fold. To the contrary, he seems intent on driving them away. ... To my knowledge, he has not reached out to pro-family leaders or changed any of the positions that have troubled them. He still believes, for example, that federal money should be allocated for laboratory experiments with tiny human embryos, after which they would be killed when they are no longer useful. He continues to favor allowing each state to create its own definition of marriage, potentially giving the nation 50 different legal interpretations. It would create chaos within families. ... One of his senior advisors asserted recently on Fox News that 'the right' can just go its own way, stating that McCain can win by attracting moderates and crossover Democrats. That seems to be the strategy. These are not the policies and pronouncements of a man who is seeking to 'unify the party.' Indeed, they appear to be fracturing an increasingly divided constituency.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:22:00 AM PDT

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          •  Until the press stops thinking that (2+ / 0-)
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            McCain walks on water, then, I classify it as "difficult."

          •  Unity is more of a problem for a (1+ / 0-)
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            Democrat.  As it stands the GOP understood that McCain was their only option this round and their base is far more obedient than ours is.  His VP choice will round him out for the base.  Plus McCain will have either Obama or Clinton Democrats crossing over for him if things keep going the way ther are going - shaking head.  McCain is a master at the micromanagement of niche audiences and the media love him.  It will be much harder to pin him than people realize.  I personally know far too many Democrats who think that McCain is "reasonable" which is not true, but has been an extremely successful myth peddled by and about McCain for decades now.

            •  Don't think many Dems will vote for McCain (2+ / 0-)
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              I know that there are a lot of angry Democrats out there who say if their candidate doesn't win they will vote for McCain.  But I truly believe in the end their love for this country will win over their anger.  They will know, by the time the Democrats are done with McCain, that voting for McCain will guarantee another four years of Bush Republican rule.  They also know, in their heart, that this country can't survive another four years of Republican rule.

              I despise what Hillary Clinton has become to my very core, but I will vote for her if I have to.  Because I love my country more than I despise Hillary.

              •  I don't think that the Dems will be as much as (0+ / 0-)

                a problem as they are canaries in the coal mine.  If Democrats can even consider voting for McCain then we are in my opinion way behind where we should be right now.

                •  Fortunately, (0+ / 0-)

                  we are still seven months out.  And the primary will be over in two and a half weeks if Obama can pull off the PA upset, but if not then on 5/20 when he clinches the pledged delegate majority.

                  The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

                  by Superribbie on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:33:50 AM PDT

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                  •  I think the problem goes beyond the primary. (0+ / 0-)

                    I know people think that it is all Clinton's fault for staying in, but McCain's polling numbers have been consistently too high in match ups against both Obama and Clinton for months now.  What got me thinking about this is that sometime back in February Obama out polled McCain by a few points and Clinton lost to him by a few points.

                    If the Republican Party was really where it should be as a result of their horrible governance, even Clinton should have been out polling McCain and Obama also should have been doing better against him imo.

                    If the general election is solely focused on personality and unity and clear party lines are not drawn, I think we are going to be in trouble with either of our candidates.  Seems ridiculous that we wouldn't force policy into the discussion since we win on every front in that arena and we aren't relying so heavily on either one of our candidates being able to throw a better barbeque party for the media than McCain does.

                    •  I think all of that's right (0+ / 0-)

                      but I think that the reason we've been unable to interject issues and define McCain is the simple fact that we're still fighting the primary.  Once it's over, I believe the numbers will move.  

                      The frogurt is also cursed. -8.25, -6.51

                      by Superribbie on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 09:50:11 AM PDT

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                      •  The only thing that gives me a bit of hope (1+ / 0-)
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                        is that both Clinton and Obama seemed to have figured out that one way they can campaign is to go after McCain.  There is no reason they shouldn't be doing some of that now.  Seeing each take him on now is a key factor in a lot of people's votes that is a whole hell of a lot more important than an incident in Bosnia 12 years ago or a crazy preacher.

          •  What does Dobson know of "pro-family?" (2+ / 0-)
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            To my knowledge, he has not reached out to pro-family leaders or changed any of the positions that have troubled them.

            This quote, which the URL identifies as from James Dobson, shows that Dobbie is just using labels that sound great to hide his real agenda. What does he know of what families really need?

            People of that sort talk about encouraging Traditional Marriage, but the only thing we aren't doing already to make traditional marriages more attractive would be to offer free computer dating that actually works to people who need it. They really want us to believe you need to tear competing unions down to build TM up.

            He continues to favor allowing each state to create its own definition of marriage, potentially giving the nation 50 different legal interpretations.

            So do we have just one standard on Common Law marriages? In some states, if you think you're married for a certain number of years (I think it's 7, but it could vary), you are. In others, you have to say you're married for Common Law to recognize it. Still others say you must have a ceremony of some kind.

            While laws against miscegenation have been declared unconstitutional, many laws created around that issue still stand. In Massachusetts, out-of-state couples can't get married unless their union is valid in their home state.

            There had been no concern about the US having One National Standard for weddings until gay marriage became a big issue, and even then the talk was only about banning equal treatment.

            A more accurate moniker might be... the Loch Ness Social Anxiety Creature. -Satchel, Get Fuzzy.

            by Judge Moonbox on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:02:10 AM PDT

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          •  The religious right will support McCain (0+ / 0-)

            in the end.  Right now they are just strutting their stuff so that they can retain their influence over the party.  They are trying to ensure that McCain picks someone from their crowd as VP.  If I were McCain, that is the last thing I would do.  If he chooses someone from the religious right as his VP, he better watch his back very carefully.  And, a food tester might be a good idea.

        •  No problem tying him to Bush (0+ / 0-)

          Once the Democratic campaign starts, there will be no problem tying McCain to Bush.  The political ads have been written by McCain.  All the Democrats need to do is to play McCain's own voice (or picture if they have film) saying one thing and then another.  Or, tick off his positions as a "maverick" as opposed to his position on those subjects today.

          I can hardly wait for the first debate between Obama and McCain.  It will be all over after the first debate.

          •  Would love for this to be true, but (1+ / 0-)
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            I remember how poorly Bush did in debates and was still "elected".  He should have lost in a landslide.  I sure can't imagine how anyone seeing the debates would have wanted him to represent the country.

      •  Better than 80% I believe. (4+ / 0-)

        He is extremely conservative.

        Most of the time when he doesn't vote with his party it is when they are going to win anyway and he is using the vote to grandstand and play the maverick.  That is actually why so many Republicans have problems with him - he has been known to publicly throw other Republicans under the bus primarily to score cheap points for his maverick image.

      •  I thought it was close to 90% of the time (0+ / 0-)
        he voted with the White House, in other words, the ultra-right wing Republican party. "Mainstream" implies that Republican policy is somewhere in the center of contemporary American thought and it isn't.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:10:24 AM PDT

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        •  Also, I forgot (2+ / 0-)
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          When I was researching Dennis Kucinich's voting attendance record for a story on the Ohio-10 congressional race here (and learned that he missed fewer votes than anyone in congress running for president), one of the shocking things I discovered was that McCain had by far the worst attendance record, missing more than 50% of votes. And unlike some candidates, who skipped multiple procedural votes or votes on comfortably bipartisan bills (Hillary and Obama), he was missing key votes since beoming a candidate. It was as if he was deliberately trying to not leave a verifiable record behind.

          We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

          by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:17:13 AM PDT

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    •  McSame (0+ / 0-)

      "Give me convenience OR give me death!"... (who'da thunk the Dead Kennedys nailed it)

      by speckitis on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:42:22 AM PDT

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    •  And media's Limbaugh dancers... (0+ / 0-)

      ...are going to bend over backwards ever harder to insure that the McCain image stays grounded in UNreality.

      A more accurate moniker might be... the Loch Ness Social Anxiety Creature. -Satchel, Get Fuzzy.

      by Judge Moonbox on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:46:19 AM PDT

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  •  The only way that the 'track' graph (5+ / 0-)

    could get worse is if the diverging lines go vertical.  And honestly I don't rule that out completely.

    Gas just jumped $0.24 overnight around here (Charleston).  As the old Bloom County cartoon used to say "Good Lord and butter, Mort!"

    It still is the economy and gas prices.  Add in the fact that regulations seem to be non existent anymore (see aircraft inspections and the govt letting that slide, also see the bank crisis).  The regulators have to take the blame, and since you cannot punish regulators at the polls, you take it out on whoever is in charge.

  •  I don't get the disconnect (5+ / 0-)
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    If the people are so upset over the results from 7 years of Bush/Cheney and Republicans are having such a hard time of it lately, why (oh, why) is McCain polling so well?  National polls have him roughly neck and neck with our Democratic candidates.  It seems like he should be polling much, much lower.  What am I missing?    What is the disconnect?

    •  Defense (1+ / 0-)
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      People still think Repugs can do defense better.

      (-8.12, -7.33)
      "I am not a politician, I only suffer the consequences." Peter Tosh

      by AndrewMC on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:09:44 AM PDT

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    •  2000 (8+ / 0-)

      People remember that in 2000 McCain was running as the guy who would not be like Bush. Lots of people liked him; hell, I was one of them. If he had been the Republican candidate he would have won in a landslide.

      So people remember "oh yeah, that guy who was running against Bush, I liked him, if only he'd won", and don't realize that he's spent the last 8 years becoming Bush.

      His 2000 run was a sort of political equivalent of Obama's anti-Iraq-war speech - he was against Bush before being against Bush was cool. His entire "brand" is based around being against Bush; reality hasn't yet intruded in much of the popular consciousness.

      •  Exactly! (1+ / 0-)
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        Without a lot of attention being paid yet to today's McCain, many people have this vaguely warm and fuzzy recollection of him from 2000. I hear all the time, "Oh, McCain's  a moderate" or "McCain's virtually a Democrat." That won't hold up.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:19:53 AM PDT

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    •  You're missing the reason why the GOP (3+ / 0-)
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      came together around McCain - McCain is thought to be a "moderate" Republican - a maverick - an outsider - of course he is as rightwing and rabid as they get - but a lot of people buy into the media's mythology.  Many people don't think of him as a typical Republican.  And as usual, Democrats are running away from our brand rather than embracing it which essentially gives the GOP the opening to escape the burden of their badly tarnished brand.  This is why I always thought McCain would be the GOP nominee and why I think he is still very dangerous to the prospects of putting a Dem in the White House this year.

    •  The Media. (3+ / 0-)
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      It's McSames constituency.

      They like it that he has the same preening narcissitic view of us lowly non-Beltway peons they do.

      And he can deliver his lines.

  •  81% of Americans think we are on the (3+ / 0-)
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    wrong track.

    That's huge.

  •  This is why we need to focus on McCain (8+ / 0-)

    The last couple of days I've noticed a shift of emphasis in some of Clinton and Obama's public statements away from their race against each other and towards attacking McCain, linking him to the Bush administration's failures.  We need the focus of both campaigns to move in that direction.  That'll give us twice the number of high-profile voices that he has, with nearly twice the media coverage.  John W. McCain parrots the Bush line on almost everything that Americans are so upset about, and if we hit him on all of those items, we brand him publicly as Bush III and force him back on the defensive.  Maybe we can even get him to pitch one of his famous tantrums.

    •  It's a great trend, and I hope it continues. (2+ / 0-)
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      John W. McCain parrots the Bush line on almost everything that Americans are so upset about, and if we hit him on all of those items, we brand him publicly as Bush III and force him back on the defensive.

      We need much, much more of this!  McSame has a 5,000 lb. gorilla on his back: the bu$hco mal-administration.  We need to keep him continually defending and praising them.  That's where the fact that we have 2 candidates still running is a major advantage.

       Maybe we can even get him to pitch one of his famous tantrums.

      I see this happening in a debate -- when Obama, cool and rational as always, traps McSame in a snare of his own pretzel logic.

      Our troops won the war. Bush lost the peace.

      by snazzzybird on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:28:59 AM PDT

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    •  I think there's time enough for that (2+ / 0-)
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      elmo, Amber6541

      Right now Hillary needs to be drummed into the abyss.

      Just today on NPR they had a "Democratic Strategist" on pushing the "see-saw/horse race" meme twixt Hillary and Obama.

      The DLC Hyperreality has been breached~

      by plok on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:13:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's gonna be a blowout. (3+ / 0-)
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    paradox, pat208, Jimdotz

    McCain isn't going to retain his parity in numbers after the Dem Primary (IMHO.)

    Distractions are soon to set themselves aside.

    :::

    ...Operation Rota is Closed... New Blog Coming Soon With Pictures!...

    by nowheredesign on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:07:43 AM PDT

    •  Are they? (3+ / 0-)

      This is the huge issue presently before us, can the corporate propaganda press cover for the GOP yet again?

      Digby thinks they can, so do others.  We'll have to try and stop them, the risks are too great to do nothing, even though the press can't do it, no way.

      •  I feel ya' (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        paradox

        ... But I don't think people are buying it anymore.

        :)

        :::::

        ...Operation Rota is Closed... New Blog Coming Soon With Pictures!...

        by nowheredesign on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:36:50 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh they will.... (4+ / 0-)

          They will.   Don't think they won't.   Just the shit over Reverend Wright shows how stupid people are.   They took "God damn America" out of context and Obama's poll numbers tanked.  Nobody even tried to say let's look at his whole statement.   People are too numb to understand any nuance.  

          The slightest thing, and some of the stuff coming will be complete fabrications, and the media will run with it.   John McCain could say I think the earth is flat, and the media will say: "He's a Maverick!!"  

          •  Sure and they "tanked" for what, (0+ / 0-)
            about 4 or 5 days? And then rebounded. People are coming around to "That crap doesn't matter -- how am I going to pay my bills?" Lots of people looked at his whole statmeents and it did go away. pretty quickly.

            We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

            by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:24:33 AM PDT

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      •  One area we've already nailed.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Amber6541
        late night TV. Some people here have wrung their hands about whether to point out McCain's age as a liability or not go there. We don't need to; Jay, Dave and Conan are already doing it for us, night after night after night. In addition, I think the contrast of Obama and McCain when the appear together will speak for itself.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:22:54 AM PDT

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  •  As long as we have a Congress and a Press... (4+ / 0-)
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    paradox, L Boom, Judge Moonbox, Amber6541

    that are independent of the Executive, our Republic will endure. For the last seven years, we have had neither.

    November 2008 will bring us a Congress free of Republican intransigence. (Yes, I'm predicting a filibuster-proof Senate.)

    As for the media, I am hopeful that a populist president will lead the restoration of the Fairness Doctrine, thus eliminating the Neocon lock on our airwaves, and reducing the monolithic hold of corporate news on small news media markets. Ironically, the Fairness Doctrine will restore Freedom of the Press.

    Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom. -- Barack Obama

    by Jimdotz on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:15:19 AM PDT

    •  Not that I doubt you, but. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jimdotz

      Would anyone out there have polls on the tossup Senate races? How big a lead can we anticipate if things stand as they are? How much better can we do once we get the nomination squabble behind us?

      A more accurate moniker might be... the Loch Ness Social Anxiety Creature. -Satchel, Get Fuzzy.

      by Judge Moonbox on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:08:19 AM PDT

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  •  what is wrong with the writte-up of the Nytimes. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cognitorex, Amber6541

    they are looking at the poll as if obama did not go through a storm known as wright.

    his number in the same 46% and he is a head like he was a month ago.

    and 70% of americans see him as having the value that all americans aspire to have the same number for McCain in 66 and for hillary it is 60%

    59% see him as a president that could unite the country, unlike hillary and McCain.

    so the numbers are good for berry and yet the Nytimes finds a shift among his constituents les men more women and voala! its bad for Obie.

    clinton delenda est

  •  I would be a part (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Odysseus, sab39, Amber6541

    Of the 4 percent who say our country is better off. I find my fellow Americans fickle, superficial at times. We focus on the present, and not on where we're going. I was against the war before it started. I told them not to elect that man again, I've been angry about deregulation and the impending subprime crisis for years. I've been telling people about climate change FOR YEARS. (since I was 10.) --and now, to my dismay all of these things are coming true one right after the other. I feel like Cassandra and I'm finally being validated-- So, now I know that we're at rock bottom we can only go up from here! So, I'm feeling optimistic. Things will get better!

    I hope I'm right about this prediction.

    •  Yes but many people (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Amber6541
      even those who saw it coming won't survive economically intact. I think part of the reason many people say they're doing OK but aren't optimistic about the future is that they see more of their family and neighbors struggling.

      By the way -- "beginning of a recession"? I think one of the issues is that the actual recessionary impact has been hitting people for a couple of years, no matter what technically qualifies as a "recession" to govenrment economists. Plus here in Ohio we've been in a recession now for almost 16 years -- technically speaking. We never recovered from the Bush I recession.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:28:37 AM PDT

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      •  16 years of Ohio recession? (0+ / 0-)

        That's not true as a statement, as Ohio's GDP has risen year over year in several of the last ten years.  But the numbers that I found are very interesting, and it's definitely not doing well:

        Data for US GDP

        Choose:
        Total Gross Domestic Product by State
        Quantity Indexes for Real GDP by state
        Levels
        and get data for 1997-2006.

        For Ohio, it looks like this:

        YearIndex in constant 2000 dollarsUS Quintile
        2006106.8bottom 20%
        2005105.6bottom 20%
        2004104.5bottom 20%
        2003101.8bottom 20%
        2002100.4bottom 20%
        200198.3bottom 20%
        2000100.0N/A
        199999.1top 20%
        199897.5top 20%
        199794.22nd (60-80%)

        (Michigan, at a 2006 value of 100.2, has the worst performance of all 50 states.)

        -7.75 -4.67

        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

        by Odysseus on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:25:10 PM PDT

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  •  Clearly (3+ / 0-)
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    Clearly, this is nothing but bad news for Democrats because ... er ... I don't have a freaking clue.  But I'm sure David Broder and Co. will explain it all.

  •  Give to the DNC, DSCC and DCCC.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....as well as the Act Blue Candidates.

    We'll never have another chance like this again.

    •  I'll give to Act Blue, but until they Impeach... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      trillian, ek hornbeck, Terminus

      I will give neither a dime of my money nor a minute of my time to the DNC, the DSCC, or the DCCC.

      Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom. -- Barack Obama

      by Jimdotz on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:25:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The DNC is not responsible for impeachment (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Jimdotz
        However it is responsible for the 50-state strategy and the voter protection efforts that give us a shot this fall ad it is lagging behind the RNC in donations, I believe the only Dem campaign organization to do so. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Support Howard Dean!

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:30:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  At this point.... (0+ / 0-)

    the only way we will lose in November is if we tear ourselves apart from the inside.

    I don't see this happening....but....there is still a lot of time for damage to be done. Hopefully we will unite long before we destroy our chances.

    Fight the good fight.

    "In your hands lies the future of your world and the fulfillment of the best qualities of your own spirit." -RFK

    by carolinadreamer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:23:07 AM PDT

  •  This is why I'm so confident (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    pat208, Judge Moonbox, paintitblue

    Zeus would lose to Obama or Clinton this year.

    Lead with confidence and courage.  Americans expect no less, and will not accept the status quo.

  •  That is why it is crucial... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    trillian, pat208

    to label McCain...McBush...

    Obama/Richardson '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:23:45 AM PDT

    •  And just as important (3+ / 0-)

      to tie EVERYTHING to the GOP's policies.

      Oil prices and lack of alternatives are a direct result of the GOP's energy policy.  They are the party of Big Oil.

      The subprime and credit crises are a direct result of the GOP's view that government has no role in the regulating the financial services industry.  They are the party of sub-prime lending.

      Lead in toys and pet food, poison in your fish, mad cow in your beef are a direct result of the GOP's view that government should get off of business's back.  They are the party which is against consumer protection.

      Cracking windshields on airplanes are a direct result of the GOP's belief that safety can be left up to big business and government has no role.  They are the party which is against product safety.

      Repeat...repeat...repeat.  At the water cooler, on the sidelines at sporting events, in the grocery checkout.

      If you want something other than the obvious to happen - you've got to do something other than the obvious...Douglas Adams

      by trillian on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:06:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And what we need to watch out.. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Judge Moonbox, Amber6541

        for is that the RWSM strategy appears to be to blame the 2006 election of Democrats for all of our current problems...which we all know is not true...Democrats have not been able to pass anything that GWB did not want...

        Obama/Richardson '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:24:44 AM PDT

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  •  Who participates in these polls? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cognitorex

    If 80% of people in this poll claim they aren't satisfied, then what methodology do those polls use who claim McCain running an even race with either Obama or Clinton? Do current polls still depend on LAN lines and other traditional means that skew their numbers towards conservative positions? Do they even bother polling young people, who probably don't have a LAN line or official address? Polls seemed to be better in the 20th century than the 21st. Why is that?

    •  Agreed: National polls make little sense FOX News (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jfriday, Amber6541

      commentators regularly say, "If these huge DEM primary turnout numbers carry over to the National election, the GOP will be pounded worse that 2006. It will be a blowout."
      This is said on FOX and by other conservative pundits all the frigging time. What is this fairy tale that nationally the GOP voters, likely voters or not, are going to rouse themselves to go vote with anything approaching the enthusiasm the Democratic voters have?
      There's also the mathematic model that Hillary has (and McCain) greater name recognition which disappears when Obama gets to campaigning in a local.
      Based on Hillary's loss of poll leads once Barack tours a state McCain is going to taste the same loss of name recognition advantage.
      These polls can not reflect reality.  

      You know those trey stupid socialistic European countries that provide safety nets for their citizens? They're kicking our butts.

      by cognitorex on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:21:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Say It A Million Times (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    indyada

    We don't need a third Bush term -- we need a new start for America.
    We don't need a third Bush term -- we need a new start for America.
    We don't need a third Bush term -- we need a new start for America.
    We don't need a third Bush term -- we need a new start for America.
    We don't need a third Bush term -- we need a new start for America.

    Every other sentence out of Obama's mouth this year needs to be this one. He needs to pound it. Relentlessly. Every day. Every issue. Every opportunity.

    Now say it again. . .

    They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. -- Brian Fantana

    by IndyScott on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:24:46 AM PDT

  •  Maybe branding is secondary? (2+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus, ek hornbeck

    "Maybe it's because no one can stand George W. Bush, and everyone realizes he's ruined the Republican brand."

    Maybe it's because George W. Bush with the help of his Republican Party ordered war crimes to be committed?  Maybe it's because George W. Bush with the savvy help of his Republican Party plutocrats has overseen and continues to oversee the looting of the American economy?  Maybe it's because, called by history to wear the mantle of greatness while the pulverized dust of thousands of bodies still hung in the air, George Walker Bush first fled, then hid, then took advantage of our national fright to enrich and empower himself, his family, his crony friends, and his Republican Party, at the expense of the people and the land he was appointed to serve?

    Maybe.

    Vote TORTURE. Vote DEATH. Vote REPUBLICAN: the party of torturers and war criminals.

    by Yellow Canary on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:24:50 AM PDT

    •  Impeachment would be the best thing that could (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Odysseus, Amber6541

      happen to the GOP. If they were smart, THEY would start it themselves and give it full-throated support.

      Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom. -- Barack Obama

      by Jimdotz on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:27:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  "Maybe ... " ... Got cut off, sorry ... (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe it's because of his acts and their results, and not because of how we feel about him or his political party's "brand".

      Maybe in the pre-shopping cortex of the American brain a distinction is still made between actions and conceits, and between reality and marketing.

      Vote TORTURE. Vote DEATH. Vote REPUBLICAN: the party of torturers and war criminals.

      by Yellow Canary on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:43:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A serious question- (0+ / 0-)

    can anyone come up with one thing that this administration has done in eight years that has been good for the country? a single piece of legislation they've pushed that improved anything in our lives?

    Support democracy at home and abroad, join the ACLU & Amnesty International http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org and http://www.aclu.org Your voice is needed!

    by tnichlsn on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:33:37 AM PDT

  •  I still believe McLame loses in a landslide... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cognitorex, B P Pgh

    of Goldwater proportions.
    And yes, I will take my lumps if I'm wrong.
    But so will America.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:36:44 AM PDT

  •  I got news for the NYT and CBS... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Odysseus, cognitorex, Judge Moonbox

    And whomever wrote the analysis for this poll.  It's been bad economically for most Americans for awhile.  The only source of wealth for the average American during this 'up-turn' has been the increasing price of their home.  They have been 'rich' because they have been able to pull equity from their houses.  Once the housing prices sunk, no more wealth.  And people who didn't own a home didn't experience any wealth at all.  It's hilarious when you read an article where people are shocked, SHOCKED that people are in a crappy mood.

    The Democratic Party - Finding new and interesting ways to lose the Presidency since 1968!

    by RichM on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:41:57 AM PDT

    •  credit cards and home equity borrowing, a fool's (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      RichM, Amber6541

      game that had to end.
      Don't let these financial types get their mitts on Social Security private accounts.

      You know those trey stupid socialistic European countries that provide safety nets for their citizens? They're kicking our butts.

      by cognitorex on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:39:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Only democrats can save them !!!! (0+ / 0-)

    and it looks like . . .

    Oprah? Nah, I'm voting however Jerry Springer tells me to.

    by Barry in MIA on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:42:20 AM PDT

  •  In case anyone hasn't seen the news... (3+ / 0-)

    80,000 jobs went "poof" last month and unemployment is back up to 5.1%.  In addition, Family Dollar says their 2Q net income fell 30%.  You KNOW it's bad when the dollar stores are hurting!

  •  Good News (0+ / 0-)

    for the election cycle. But, President Obama is going to have a whole slew of challenges to deal with during his first term.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:52:32 AM PDT

  •  Appealing to Independents (0+ / 0-)

    The last 2 elections have been very close.  I know many Democracts, and they will never vote for a repub.  I know many repubs, and they will never vote for a Dem.  That is the competitive polarization that has taken over America.  It is the independent vote that decides, as it did in 2000 and 2004.  Are the Dems now doing all they can to appeal to those independents that will decide this 2008 election?????????  Everything else we do here is a waste of time because real Dems will not be voting for McCain,  Hello, REAL DEMS WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR McCAIN!

    HINT: It may be better to make big social changes by baby steps in the direction you want to go rather than trying for the entire enchilada in one BIG step.  Are Dems doing that??  Remember, its the independent mindset that counts for ultimate victory.

  •   John McCain (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Judge Moonbox, ThompsonLazyBoy

    has nothing to offer this country but loyalty to a political ideology thst has outlived its usefulness; and blind allegiance to a failed president.
        After nearly 8 years(close to a decade)conservatives have proven-beyond a shadow of a doubt-that they cannot govern.
        Any political party that has no ability to govern is a political party that should never be in power. Ever.

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 05:58:35 AM PDT

  •  PNAC (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    akr nyc, JohnInWestland

    Shortest.Crusade.Ever.

    The DLC Hyperreality has been breached~

    by plok on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:01:49 AM PDT

  •  but but but (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Odysseus

    The Unnervingly Tanned One says 2008 is going to be a great year for the GOP:

    House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) predicted Thursday that Republicans will pick up seats in the 2008 election despite a slew of GOP retirements and the Democrats’ significant fundraising advantage.

    "We don’t need as much money as [Democrats] have," he said.  "We need enough to tell our story."

    He added, "I think we are going to gain seats this year. Period."

    Boehner was not always so optimistic. Earlier this year, he reportedly told House GOP lawmakers to get off their "dead asses" and raise more money for the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC).

    http://thehill.com/...

    Do tanning beds cause dementia? I'm just curious.

    The people who brought you the War on Terror are the same ones who brought you the War on Drugs.

    by Terminus on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:03:10 AM PDT

    •  Obviously they do (0+ / 0-)
      because Bonehead stands to lose 2-6 members of his OWN state delegation. That's how many GOP-held seats are in play in Ohio.
      At least two of them are as good as gone; others are more competitive than they've ever been. Bonehead is going to be lonelier than ever come January. Maybe he'll retire to "spend more itme with my tanning bed."

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:35:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I'd say he was a sadistic sodomistic necrophile (0+ / 0-)

      but that would be beating a dead ass.

  •  BushCheney were given the power to stop elections (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Judge Moonbox, Amber6541

    It doesn't matter how poorly the Republicans are polling because John Warner gave these criminals the power to dissolve Congress & the SCOTUS along w/ easier access to troop deployment in our cities, all it takes is a false flag emergency and we know how willing they are to do just that. John McCain is not George Bush's third term if BushCheney do not intend on leaving the emperors palace.

    •  Yawn (0+ / 0-)
      I love how you can always could on one person to cling to a beaten-to-death old myth.
      Those two can hardly wait to leave. Bush is tired of being picked on and Cheney can hardly wait to reap the spoils of his policies.  They don't want to continue to rule over the debacle they created; they want to cash in.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:36:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  They may be awful (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Judge Moonbox, Amber6541

    But somehow they'll spin it and it will be close.  They've been brainwashing the public since 1980 and so Republicans always get the benefit of the doubt and Democrats are viewed with suspicion.  They are counting on distraction to win this, which is why the negative attacks will be the worst we've seen.  The media will lap it up.

    Which is why Obama will need hundreds of millions of dollars to overwhelm the marketplace with his message.  

    GIVE NOW

  •  Fundamentals are not bad for Republicans... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Amber6541

    they are bad for America.  Increasing unemployment...  Temporarily dodged a credit bullet...  $53 trillion unfunded SS coming due soon...  Energy crisis that funds our enemies and weakens our own country...  growing disparity in wealth...  fascist health care system...

    etc etc etc

    The Dems have a very narrow window.  How many Soviet citizens thought they would wake up without a country?  We need to get off our butts and stop fighting about the peripheral issues and start dealing with the monster issues!

    Not apt to happen

  •  Re: the mortgage mess (0+ / 0-)

    Don't blame the GOP for everything.

    Privatization was a Bill clinton initiative. The big Federal loan consolidation institutions were carved up like so many turkeys.

    Single, unified databases got trashed. That let multiple contractors get more money out of Uncle Sam.

    Now -- as a practical matter -- holders of consolidated debt instruments cannot in any convenient way find out what status is for the underlying single instruments, the mortgages.

    Ultimately, of course.

    But not quickly. Not as matters unfold every day.

    BTW: the Bear Stern debacle is ascribed to a rumor volcano. Good credit and $16,000,000,000 ready reserves not enough to hold off baseless rumors.

    THIS COULD BE A FAKE.

    Senator Dodd was in there yesterday -- with the head of Bear Sterns --  noting that opening the discount window for INVESTMENT BANKS would have stopped the problem.

    Oops.........

    its not a proposal to open the discount window on a crisis, one-at-a-time basis. Its to open the Fed  for all of the IBs.

    Grab your wallets, folks. Hang on !!

    Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.

    by vets74 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:41:34 AM PDT

    •  Kind of like gas prices, but to a lesser extent (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      vets74

      Americans drive Hummers and commute 40 miles each way to work and then complain that gas prices are too high.

      Yes, there are some crooked mortgage lenders.

      But some borrowers who made up W2's with Photoshop are complaining that banks are not honest.

  •  Numbers don't add up (6+ / 0-)

    Ok, 28% think Bush is doing a good job but only 19% think this country is on the right path.  That means that 11% are happy with Bush taking us down the wrong path.  What's up with that?

  •  And the 4% (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Amber6541

    all know Bush personally. Everybody realizes that he and his cronies are the only ones who've benefited these past seven years.

  •  When I first read the headline... (0+ / 0-)

    I thought it said, "The Fundamentalists Are Awful for Republicans, And Getting Worse."

    It affects how one reads the article, believe me.

  •  Which is why (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Odysseus, Amber6541

    Which is why the GOP is going to have to make this about race.  The can't talk about: the war (60-70% don't like it), the environment (McCain is better than most of the GOP but that won't help him get out the usual GOP trogledytes), the economy (He knows little about the economy and is being backed up by those responsible for the sub prime disaster), immigration (McCain doesn't want GOP mouth breathers to remember his support for immigration reform), healthcare (his plan is little more than a fig leaf and people don't believe the GOP on the subject), etc.  

    As Sen Obama said in his speech, the election can be about distractions (& the GOP is praying for this) or it can be about putting the US back on the right course and trying to mix the messes made by w and crew.  

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

    by Hotspur18 on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 06:56:37 AM PDT

  •  Bonehead's seat is safe, alas (0+ / 0-)
    But he's going to look around the Ohio delegation and see fewer friendly faces next January. Three of his Ohio GOP colleagues didn't even want to face the voters and stepped down. One, Deborah Pryce in Ohio-15 (formerly 4th in command in GOP leadership), won by only about 1,000 votes lin 2006 (and there were a lot of disputed provisionals at OSU that fell through the cracks.) Faced with having to run against Mary Jo Kilroy again under a new, more honest secretary of state and amid a worsening nationwide climate for Republians, she bailed to "spend more time with my family."

    At least 5-6 Republican-held districts in Ohio are in play, and no Democratic districts. Yet Bonehead issues delusional fantasies about GOP pickups. He's going to be embarassed in his own backyard.

    We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

    by anastasia p on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:04:27 AM PDT

  •  We've been in an economic downturn for 8 years (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Amber6541

    Or rather, the working and middle class has been experiencing an economic downturn for the last 8 years and have been experiencing a full-on recession since the summer.

    It's important to remember that the economic pain being felt by the working and middle class is not due to Bush incompetency, but rather by conservative policy design.  If the voters realize this in time for 2008, there might be a chance to undo the damage.

    "If he who bases his hopes on human nature is a fool, he who gives up in the face of circumstances is a coward." -Albert Camus

    by jcbhan on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:10:24 AM PDT

  •  yay for tripe! (0+ / 0-)

     That song didn't work in 2006 and it sure ain't gonna work this year. Someone is responsible for this mess ...

    gas prices leads to big oil leads to ... Democrats and taxes? Methinks not.

    home foreclosures lead to investment bank shenanigans leads to ... Democrats and taxes? Methinks not.

     The Republican brand is so sullied it'll take 'em a decade or more and only after they unzip from the religious crazies before people will be willing to let them touch anything again in government.

  •  Great diary to introduce my new sig! (0+ / 0-)

    Coined by Kossack FireCrow last night.  Who, after playing along with the community effort, regailed us with this wonderful piece of Dr. Seuss inspired poetry:

    I'd like to see him in a cell.
    I wouldn't mind if it were hell.
    I think it should contain a bell
    that rang and rang with nasty tones
    that shook the weasel to his bones.
    The cell it seems should also smell,
    a putrid stench would serve him well.
    His hair on fire his feet on ice,
    all of this would be to nice.
    I do not like the decider twit
    I do not like him one single bit.

    I do not like the decider twit, I do not like him one single bit

    by worldbeggedyoutovoteKerry on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 07:14:42 AM PDT

  •  Beginning of a downturn? (2+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus, Amber6541

    "The dissatisfaction is especially striking because public opinion usually hits its low point only in the months and years after an economic downturn"

    The downturn has been going on for some time.  Wages stagnent or dropping, jobs being lost and sent overseas, price of gas and heating oil up, price of everything else going up.  For the average american the economy went south some time ago.  It is only because it is finally affecting Wall Street that they are claiming it is going bad now.

    This is the long term results of buisness practices. Shipping jobs overseas, cutting pensions, and everything else they've done has increased corporate bottom lines in the short term.  But eventually most people can't afford to buy the crap these companies put out.  Those increased profits quickly disapear and then they have to lay off even more people.  

  •  Who knew that the frog-exploding frat boy (0+ / 0-)

    was the fool of fools?

  •  i think hillary and obama should team up (1+ / 0-)
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    TheFreeFallingDollar

    and start the general election right now.

    instead of trying to beat each other, they campaign as a ticket against mccain.

  •  A perfect storm (0+ / 0-)

    So after it's all over this November, things should look pretty much like they did in late November, 1984, only in reverse, right?

    The thing is, if things don't pan out that way, if the GOP does even moderately well, if this election is any kind of close, it will be a major boost to GOP morale. Rush Limbaugh will crow and scream. Even with all this against us, they barely managed a squeaker! It will hearten them no end.

    So I'm not a big enthusiast about all this Perfect Storm talk. Yes, the country is sick of the GOP and their miserable leader and his hideous war and the torture and the economy and all the rest. No, it won't make much difference if all we can do until Labor Day is squabble.

  •  It would seem like a Democratic gain is immanent (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    But the Republicans see that their empire is crumbling and I predict it is going to get nastier than we have ever seen in American politics this year. Over the past 12 years, they have built up the most lucrative (for themselves) Congress this country has ever had and they are not going to go quietly into the night. I expect the full force of cooperate lobbyists, slanderous third party organizations and even the Bush controlled "Justice Department" will be turned loose on every Democrat in a close race in November. If you think Clinton's "Kitchen Sink" strategy is ugly, you have not seen anything yet. The Republicans will do anything to win and they have the backing of a President who basically has unlimited powers and a Supreme Court that is now stacked in their favor. Don't be surprised if quite a few Democratic candidates come under investigation or are indicted on bogus charges this fall and I guarantee every close race a Democrat wins will be challenged in court. Furthermore,  I hate to even think about all the things Chenay might do if it looks like Obama (or Clinton) is going to beat McCain!

    •  I don't have the stats at hand now (0+ / 0-)

      Didn't Republicans have similar low numbers in 1976?

      What happened in 1980?

      That's that forget the past, yadda, yadda, yadda.

    •  Remember the cesspools of Democratic corruption (1+ / 0-)
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      like in southern Ohio, where a Democratic rout will actually strengthen the oppressive machine.

      The real battle will happen after the election when the corrupt old Dems fight to cling to their levers on power. Whether an Obama Administration will work to challenge those machines remains to be seen.

  •  Then WHY (0+ / 0-)

    is McCain doing so @#%&^%$ well in the polls?

    Grrr.

    ------------------

    Time to end the drug war.

    by Sam from Ithaca on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:21:35 AM PDT

  •  Real median income (1+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus

    Heard on radio:
    Real median income hit a high in 199 and hasn't been that high since.
    This "recovery" is the first recovery since these figures started to be measured which didn't post a new high.

    1. Maybe that's because the "recovery" has been so slow. See the history
    1. Bill would do mmore for Hillary on teh campaign trail trumpeting that fact than hitting Obama and Richardson.

    "The three main issues in this campaign are Iraq, Iraq, and Iraq." -- Bill Foster

    by Frank Palmer on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 08:34:47 AM PDT

  •  The Barr factor (1+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus

    If Bob Barr runs as an independent or libertarian, he could have a real Perot/Nader effect on the McCain vote in some states.  If the Democrats manage to nominate the right candidate, states like Georgia, Indiana, South Carolina, and possibly even Kansas and Nebraska -- all chock full of social conservtives skeptical of McCain -- might be in play.

    I'm thrilled by the development, from a personal leve.  It means I don't have to launch my Draft Roy "10 Commandments" Moore campaign to accomplish the same.

    "If we believe that all humans are human, than how are we going to prove it? It can only be proven through our actions." Lt. Gen. Romeo Dallaire

    by djs on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 09:08:56 AM PDT

  •  statistics (0+ / 0-)

    from swimming freestyle:

    Two disappointing and, undoubtedly, related statistics.  And stinging indictments of a Bush Administration that is so ideologically bent on deregulation, they've given up any stewardship of the American economy.  As a consequence, we continue to drift towards an economic downturn European analysts refer to as depression-like while Mr. Bernanke dances nervously in Congressional hearings afraid to say the "R" word and President Bush goes AWOL to a NATO conference.  It will require some real Houdini like moves on the part of the Administration and their minions to squirm out of accountability for this gigantic mess.

    Democrats need to loudly remind voters the consequences of leaders allowing outdated and disproven ideological considerations to interfere with the business of managing the government and the, now obvious, implications for the American people.

    Loudly.  Very loudly.

    http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com

  •  The wrong track right track was negative in 2004 (0+ / 0-)

    granted it wasn't this negative though.

    I mean everything is set pretty well for a democratic win in November.

    "Men make their own history, but not under conditions of their own choosing." Guess you said this? Well, you got it Sparky, it's K.Marx

    by Mutual Assured Destruction on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 10:34:33 AM PDT

    •  a lot was different (0+ / 0-)

      granted it wasn't this negative though.

      here's another difference:

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:44:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's the id and leaning trend (0+ / 0-)

        of course these two trend increase when you got an unpopular war and an economic recession. I would be worried if they didn't. I thought the post was talking about right/wrong trend and that's on what i commented.

        "Men make their own history, but not under conditions of their own choosing." Guess you said this? Well, you got it Sparky, it's K.Marx

        by Mutual Assured Destruction on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 12:56:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  uh, yes you did (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Odysseus

          and I gave you added value. ;-)

          for those who say 'remember 2004, when we thought we'd win', I'm saying this ain't 2004. not for right/wrong. not for party ID, not for anything.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:48:36 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Why Is It, Then, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Odysseus

    That approval ratings for congress have tanked abyssmally in the last 17 months since the Dems took it over while GWB's approval ratings have basically remained the same?  No one's happy with government or the direction it's taking us right now, but make no mistake.. the hostility for the cluelessness in Washington is directed at both sides (more even towards the Dems if the raw approval ratings mean anything).  If there only was a 'full reboot' button we could all press..

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