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With the Democratic National Convention in full swing, Tom Hayden believes that Senator Joe Biden "will not be a progressive element on Senator Barrack Obama" and that his selection as Obama's running mate is not "a step in any direction." Hayden goes on to state that, "the democrats are in danger of decoupling the war from the recession and high oil prices."

hopefully Obama starts to let in anti-war veterans etc...
-yet to be seen:

Great quote...

HAYDEN: I think that Michelle Obama and the speech writer, the young man, are probably the antiwar advisors. There are no antiwar advisors who have national security credentials. It's one of the diseases of our state that to be a "national security expert," quote-unquote, you have to have been wrong on several wars, apparently, but you had to go to Georgetown, and you had to do the right PhDs, and you always approached things from the narrow view of America's interests. So these 300 advisors, none of them are frontally against American foreign policy. They are against the Iraq War because it's gone sour, and that's a small distinction that is important. The debate is between one set of advisors who think we should go farther—the McCain advisors—and another who think we should cut our losses and redeploy and refocus—that's the Obama advisors. That's not a broad enough debate. We need a populist debate, we need an antiwar voice, and it has to come from the voters and from other politicians who are hearing the pressure of their voters, the Out of Iraq Caucus, and so on.

Another good quote...

HAYDEN: Oh, I think Obama and Biden, particularly Obama, are more rational, cool, you know, subject to arguments back and forth. It's a little like when, I remember, John Kennedy was elected. We were very, very unhappy, 'cause he ran supporting the Green Berets and he invented a fake missile crisis against Nixon, then he implemented the Bay of Pigs, and he learned the catastrophic problem of depending on your advisors, who are not your friends. They are there to perpetuate some of their interests, and they're using you. And he became much more of a civil-rights and pro-peace president through that experience before he was murdered. And I would hope that Obama doesn't have to go through the same experience.

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Originally posted to SteveAnderson on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:00 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Attacking Obama From The Left Is DUMB DUMB DUMB (3+ / 0-)
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    housesella, pvlb, sea2008

    Please restrain yourself!

    •  Is criticizing the same as "attacking"? (2+ / 0-)
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      greenskeeper, ExpressStreetcar

      I do not believe progressives should attempt to deny the problems in the positions of more centrist Democrats. I do not believe it undermines Obama's chance of winning if we are open about what we see as the limitations, or errors, in his views.

      If Obama's proposal to expand the war in Afghanistan are wrong, does this mean all anti-war activists should just shut up about it? Or will that tell anti-war voters they need to vote for Nader or McKinney if they oppose the war?

      Each of us must pick our own path and play our own role in the political division of labor necessary to elect Democrats. It is essential for my role that I am regarded as credible with progressive voters. If I criticize Obama honestly and STILL advise them that it is important we elect himk instead of McCain, I will be more effective than if I ignore their concerns or make excuses for Obama.

      I see the campaign as a coalition of different constituencies, each with slightly different concerns and sometimes with conflicting interests. Because Obama and the congressional Democrats wanted to suck up to the telecom giants, does not mean I have to tell people concerned about our civil liberties that the FISA extension bill was right.

      We need to show integrity to maintain credibility with those who trust our political judgment. If we behave like party hacks, we will be perceived as party hacks and lose all credibility.

      Criticisms of Barack should be secondary to encouraging people to vote for him. But the criticisms should not be suppressed.

      God bless Tom Hayden for remaining true to his principles and working hard, all these years to guide activists along a path balancing our principles with a need to affect elections and policies.

      If you would prefer to have Tom, and other progressives, work for Nader or McKinney, continue to tell them to be silent about Obama's shortcomings.

      "... if I can lead you into the promised land someone else can just as easily lead you back out again." --Eugene Debs

      by Shliapnikov on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:11:41 PM PDT

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  •  TOO BAD IM VOTING FOR HIM (2+ / 0-)
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    jj32, ck4city


    by robertacker13 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:03:17 PM PDT

  •  Um, isn't Wesley Clark Anti-war? (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't this his site?: Stop Iran War

    For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of a next first lady
    O'biden '08!

    by second gen on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:04:55 PM PDT

    •  no (0+ / 0-)

      and as a general rule, most military folks are not.


      by dancewater on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:55:27 PM PDT

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      •  Did you not follow my link? It is Wes Clark's (0+ / 0-)


        For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of a next first lady
        O'biden '08!

        by second gen on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 10:39:11 AM PDT

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        •  yes (1+ / 0-)
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          he is against war with Iran because it would be really, really, really stupid and we might get our asses handed to us.

          so, he is anti-LOSING wars, not anti-war.  And he has been consistent too - he argued against an invasion of Iraq (bet he would okey-dokey with bombing the hell out of them, though) and then in 2003 when it looked like things were going well, he praised the troops and recommended taking on a few more countries and improving them.

          don't confuse anti-war with anti-LOSING wars.  

          (PS.  I have been of the opinion that there will be no attack on Iran within the next few years.  It may be a long term goal - to control that oil - but the bullies known as American politicians won't attack until Iran is MUCH WEAKER.  That's how bullies operate.  They don't pick fights they might actually LOSE.)


          by dancewater on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 11:45:01 AM PDT

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  •  Tom Haydan is a useless has-been (1+ / 0-)
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    who's opinion means SQUAT. Jane Fonda was right to dump him.

  •  Bugscuffle: (0+ / 0-)

    Tom Hayden needs to get a life.

  •  Why does he care anyway? I think he said (0+ / 0-)

    Obama will lose.

    No way. No how. No McCain -Hillary Clinton

    by jj32 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:11:45 PM PDT

  •  Tom Hayden can go crawl under his rock nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  Seven Comments, Seven Koolade Kidz (4+ / 0-)

    It makes it very easy to see how the Republicans got so many Democrats to go along with this war in the first place, and how deep the complicity with the war crimes continues to run on this side of the aisle.

    •  The really sad thing about this diary (3+ / 0-)

      is that the video interview with Hayden is brilliant but poorly represented by this diarist. He picked out two snippets and skipped the vast majority of what Hayden said, which was very pro Obama, very anti-McCain and very smart thinking about how the anti-war movement has to change it's tactics to avoid moving the discussion to the right (like this diary does, ironically enough.)

      What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?

      by Pager on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM PDT

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  •  Maybe Obama doesn't (0+ / 0-)

    feel the need to stack his advisory deck with 'anti-war' activists, because he's comfortable with his own creds.

    The Oval Office, January 20, 2009: The Obamaden

    by pvlb on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:39:00 PM PDT

  •  Hayden says: (0+ / 0-)

    This is kind of upsetting.

    Hayden says
    "It's a little like when, I remember, John Kennedy was elected. We were very, very unhappy, 'cause he ran supporting the Green Berets and he invented a fake missile crisis against Nixon, then he implemented the Bay of Pigs..."

    The Cuban Missile Crisis came to a head in the fall of 1962, which was not quite two years after JFK's election.  It was also subsequent to the Bay of Pigs debacle which took place in the spring of 1961, shortly after JFK took office after the election in late 1960...and had been substantially planned by the previous administration, which is niether here nor there.

    Was there a Kennedy campaign thread that used a manufactured 'missile crisis' against Nixon prior to the 1960 election?  I was a child at the time so may not be familiar with the entire campaign.

    Is my timeline off?

    "Tell me, is that rolling thunder...or just the sinkin' sound of something righteous going under?" Bruce Springsteen - Livin' in the Future

    by mooshter on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 05:43:24 PM PDT

  •  Tom Hayden a 'Ralph Nader Democrat?' (0+ / 0-)
    •  Hayden and the Progressive Democrats (3+ / 0-)

      Are supporting Obama, while retaining the right to criticize him where they disagree.

      I am fully in agreement with them on this. It is imperative that Obama be elected. It is also imperative that we spread no illusions about what Obama is proposing to do. A clear-headed analysis should convince voters to support Obama over McCain AND demonstrate the need to avoid the temptation of voting for Nader or McKinney.

      Obama supporters who want to pretend Obama's positions are 100% correct are telling progressive voters their reservations about Obama are invalid. I believe the hesitations of progressive voters about Obama have great merit. I respect their concerns. I share many of their concerns. But, while agreeing, point out the illogic of voting for Nader.

      Tom is saying the same thing.

      Where I may disagree with Tom is about the possibility of "pulling Obama to the left" in the course of the campaign. Ain't gonna happen. Obama's foreign policy advisors have been carefully selected to reassure people who want to see a "muscular" foreign policy, but one a bit more reasonable than the neo-con gang. The anti-war movement cannot pull Obama to the left during the campaign. Once he is elected, it will take a mobilized anti-war movement to limit his ability to expand the war.

      "... if I can lead you into the promised land someone else can just as easily lead you back out again." --Eugene Debs

      by Shliapnikov on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 06:24:21 PM PDT

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  •  My opinion of Hayden (3+ / 0-)
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    greenskeeper, dancewater, Shliapnikov

    I saw Tom Hayden speak on a panel at a book festival.  He planned to speak about his book but when he heard the others speak he decided to speak extemporaneously.  Without a doubt he can speak off the cuff perhaps better than anyone I have heard.  And he thinks very strategically.  One of the best strategic thinkers I have heard.  He is much more intelligent than I thought or imagined.

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