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Update: Many wondered what in the hell I am talking about.
So I updated this below to illustrate some of the diaries and comments I encoutered. Plus remember outside of DKos, there are people we encounter who are looking at this differently. And some are discouraged, depressed, and ready to give up. I have seen this in person and here to a much lesser degree and on a number of other forums.

I have seen a lot of people giving up in despair and becoming discouraged and depressed over McCain's choice of VP.

Who cares if she energizes the base? I am not convinced they would stay home anyway.  As many regular voters do vote in Presidential elections.

It seems his choice motivated the wingnut base.
It can also motivate our base to work even hard and become even more energized.

****** UPDATE: Many ask me what I am basing this on. Most have not seen any discouraged or anxious people worrying about Palin as a pick. So I decided to list diaries and comments I was seeing A LOT late last night. Scroll down***

UPDATE: Here are the Quotes and Links ;

http://www.dailykos.com/...

I think it'll work....

I truly think this will get the wingnut vote.  I am from the deep south and almost everyone I know (with the exception of my 2 other liberal friends) is supporting McCain and they are all just THRILLED with his pick.  I don't believe anyone around here would even do any research on her.  They don't need to know anything more than she's a creationist, pro-life, anti-gays, pro-guns, and pro-drilling.  That's all that matters around here.

I just feel sick about it.

http://www.dailykos.com/...

The Christian Right is only one part of the Republican Party. If all the groups unite behind Palin though, keeping their mouths shut even though they dislike her, it could be tough for the Democrats. The independent, low information voters tend to ignore complaints unless both parties agree, or the media agree. So if Republicans and the media stand behind Palin, it will be trouble.

Really worried. I think this could be a game changer. Just when I thought things were starting to go our way after Obama's incredible speech last night.

As people were asking where I found this and what the hell I was talking about.
Maybe this explains my motivation for writing the diary.
Try to take it easy on me, this is what I was seeing.

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We can use his pick to Energize Our Base or we can become discouraged and give up.

  1. We give the Wingnut base too much power and attention when we promote the idea they can win because they have have in the past. Sure anyone can win or lose an election but sometimes we get stuck in the past. Democrats lost 2 Presidential elections. But this has happened throughout history to both both parties. But to Automatically think the Republicans can easily win because they have in the past is giving up and giving in to them. Who says because they won 2 Presidential elections, that gives them a leg up? Where is that written. What makes them all so powerful? They cannot be all powerful, almighty unless we think and tell them they are.
  1. When we feel all hope is lost because the Wingnuts always win by dirty tricks, we are giving up. We can fight them at every turn. We can debunk all the myths they throw out and all the spin. We do not have to assume that Voters will buy their bullshit because they have in the past. We work and work and never give up. Elections are won by Voters and GOTV is all about that. Sure anyone can win the Spin Game du Jour in the media but Voters decide election.
  1. The last 2 elections have many Republicans we encounter feeling they cannot lose. The last 2 elections have many Democrats feeling they cannot win.  Neither of these are facts and neither is true. It a mindset that can be overcome by empowering ourselves to once again believe Anything is possible. Hells Bells, we won overwhelmingly and Republicans got spanked in 2006.
  1. Conceding early or giving up is just a way to try to spare ourselves the sadness, the grieving, the anger we may feel if Obama loses the election.

It allows us to hide in a shell so nothing can hurt us. By doing this, we hurt ourselves.  What I have seen:

Having worked as psychologist with addicts, they will talk about how they medicated themselves to keep from feeling human emotions. And when that was taken away, they had to learn to cope with handling and processing their feelings. And in doing so, they grew and matured and gained an awareness.

I say: we Face that Bridge if and when we come to it.
If we decide to retreat too soon for fear of how losing will anger, frighten, sadden, depress us, we are simply hiding, avoiding and running away.

I was always an emotional and sensitive person. I would and do feel things deeply. But my late parents taught me so many valuable lessons and provided me with the tools and coping skills for the challenges of life. Some of the important ones were:

Do not give up your Dreams
Believe in Achieving Much
Face Failure if and when it comes but never Lose Hope.

Preparing ourselves too much for losses,  contributes nothing but to protect ourselves from feeling normal , human emotions.

I will use a sports analogy from the 1980 USA Gold Medal winning Hockey Team. The USSR team was considered to be unbeatable. No one could beat them, not even the NHL All Stars. But the USA team won because they believed they could. They believed and they were coached to believe they were stronger, tougher, better conditioned and better prepared than the Soviets were.  And this mindset in addition to their team play led to the Victory.

What if instead they believed they would lose and therefore, went onto the ice feeling discouraged and demoralized? Most, including their coach, the late Herb Brooks, believed that mindset alone would contribute to a loss. So instead he said....( and I paraphrase but I will find the exact quote)...

I am sick of the Soviets being called the Best Hockey Team ever and being told they cannot be beat.
Well not Today, Not this Time, Today we will Win because We know we can Win.

We can use his pick to Energize Our Base or we can become discouraged and give up. Who says Sarah Palin can only motivate Their Base.
Dammit, we can use this as a way to motivate to Motivate OUR Base.

We Cannot give into the naysayers and the defeatists who say we simply cannot defeat the Rovian tactics of fear and division.  I am sick of hearing that we cannot win and that no one can beat the Rove method.

Not This Time, We can win because we believe we can.

The Choice is ours.

Originally posted to wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:52 PM PDT.

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  •  Who has given up in despair?? (3+ / 0-)
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    carolkay, hhex65, dotster

    Seriously.

    Please Donate to Barack Obama's campaign. Every $5 or $10 helps!

    by cishart on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:54:49 PM PDT

    •  Not me (6+ / 0-)

      Palin was a poorly vetted, shoot from the hip pick by McCain.  He'll come to regret it.

    •  see my late tip jar comment below (0+ / 0-)

      Probably a dozen people are preparing for themselves for a loss and about a half dozen have all ready conceded. I would not think much of it ordinarily but some are regulars here.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:58:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  A dozen people have given up (3+ / 0-)
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        hhex65, Newzie, Analog Kid

        on a site with 200,000?

        We're doomed.

        Please Donate to Barack Obama's campaign. Every $5 or $10 helps!

        by cishart on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:02:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I see your point, this was my attempt to (1+ / 0-)
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          pooh74

          discourage others from following. Check out some of the threads and you will see some of it.

          I guess I was wrong to do this diary.

          Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

          by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:08:02 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  don't be discouraged. Ecellent pep talk to the (0+ / 0-)

            troops. DK is not the centre of the universe and anything that prevents us from feeling discouraged and maintains the enthusiasm is welcome.

            I, personally since yesterday morning have attended a meetup about getting out the vote; this morning met with the organisers of our local Obama office to to share ideas about putting together factual information for phone bankers and canvassers; have set up a radio interview for monday with a local radio station and am setting another one up for next week.

            We have decided that we must prioritise and getting people registered properly is the first priority. The deadline for where i live to register or make sure you are properly registered is early october. That is a priority. It is too late November 4th to disover you or the election board has screwed up.

            We are asking everyone who wants to vote and participate to take personal responsibility to ensure you know when to vote if you want early or absentee, Where to vote on election day, How to vote if you are not sure and also WHY. We are preparing fact sheets of simple sentences to explain Obama's positions vs McCain's when you knock on the door, pick up the phone, write to the local newspaper, express your opinion in the supermarket check out line and so on.

            That is what i have done in 24 hours, I have also done my share of bitching and moaning. What have YOU done?

            As i said before Sarah Palin is the Bridge to Nowhere. Barack obmaa is the Road to a More Perfect Union and a Better Future.

            Each must do as they feel able.  I suggest to DK'ers if a particular point anyone makes does NOT apply to you then move on and make some points of your own.

            Thank you Wishingwell, I wish you well.

            •  thanks soccer, I am really getting hammered (1+ / 0-)
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              soccergrandmom

              below someone accused me of being on crack and being retarded. But I really have seen some giving up not just here but in my neighborhood, among my friends and earlier threads this AM.

              I was not hallucinating, honest, LOL!

              I guess I jumped the gun a bit.

              You know me Soccer and I am optimistic and positive but there was a thread on FP this morning where people were quite discouraged.

              But I am getting beaten up for noticing some are discouraged.

              Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

              by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:24:15 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Please, my dear, don't let them get to you (0+ / 0-)

                sometimes people just confuse positive and negative.  As far as i am concerned you are one of the most valued longtime members of this online community.

                One of the serious dangers of sudden storms like the one generated by the Palin pick is that people get so incensed they believe automatically that it will have a negative effect not because it seems so incomprehensible and refuse, to believe that this election neeeds to be fought for, one vote at a time.

                I am a pragmatic optimist and believe in preventative action. That is the category your diary came in for me anyway.  

                There are millions of voters out there just looking for an excuse to vote for the republican ticket. it is our job to see that the democrats are energised more than they are.

                Stiff upper lip!

                •  Yes thank you Soccer (1+ / 0-)
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                  I consider you one of the most valued people here as well and I always appreciate your perspective and comments.

                  I updated my diary to show the diaries and comments I was referring to  and thus the motivation for the diary.

                  Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

                  by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:08:22 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

          •  dude (0+ / 0-)

            half of those people are concern trolls...there is nothing she can do to overcome the facts of her life.  Its not her fault but McCain is toast.  This does not mean we can walk into the end-zone, but it he showed an immense lack of judgment by selecting her.

            •  It is dudette, but thanks Pooh, I am sure you are (0+ / 0-)

              correct. I was surprised because some are not usually concern trolls. I Updated this diary to clearly show a few of the comments and diaries on which I based my reasoning for this diary.

              Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

              by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:09:48 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  Thank you for your concern, but (2+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, Newzie

      I think Mcsame just shot his campaign in the foot.
      Seriously.

      Whatever the Repuglicans say, the truth is the opposite.

      by MariaWr on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:59:28 PM PDT

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      •  Seriously, check my comments and history (0+ / 0-)

        I am not a concern troll, been on here with a history of positive, and uplifting comments for 4 years.

        I was addressing those who are losing hope, I guess the diary was too narrow?

        I do apologize folks, I Meant well.

        By the way,  I was the DKOS blogger quoted by Keith Olbermann with the Poem tribute for Rachel Maddow.
        So you see, I am normally known for little poems and humor.

        Do not judge me by this diary if you find it absurb.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:10:19 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  see the comments on this FP thread (0+ / 0-)

      A few have nearly given up.

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I can find more from last night but I will paraphrase a few I saw last evening.

      My family and I have all ready given up, this election is lost due to more Rovian dirty tricks.

      and

      We are going to lose to these assholes again.

      I am just sick,this is going to cost us this election.

      The media will continue to talk about her from now until November. We are seriously screwed folks.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:07:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Everyone who wrote a "media is our enemy" diary (1+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell

      during the convention, for starters.

      Looking for scapegoats is something losers do, AFTER the less. I do not intend to lose.

      As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

      by ticket punch on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:48:07 PM PDT

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  •  Republicans? (3+ / 0-)
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    I have seen a lot of people giving up in despair and becoming discouraged and depressed over McCain's choice of VP.

    Yeah, but aren't they all Republicans?  I'm delighted, offended, and worried only in a "worse-case scenario" kind of way.

    I mean it's like these guys take pride in ignorance! It's like they like being ignorant.

    by math monkey on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:55:31 PM PDT

    •  expanded (1+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell

      Delighted - McCain couldn't have picked a worse choice if he was trolling for VP in a state prison

      Offended - This reads like an insult from McCain to Women; that he thinks he can buy them this cheaply.  I'm not a woman, but my mother is one.  My sister, too.

      Worried in a "worst case scenario" kind of way - While I think increases the likely chance for an Obama win, stranger things have happened in the past (one was caused by Butterfly ballots, for example).  In a worst-case scenario, McCain wins and Palin is one 72 year old heart beat away from the Presidency.  If you told me I had a 1-in-1000 chance of dying in a plane crash, I'd probably still stop flying even though I have a 99.9% chance of surviving.

      I mean it's like these guys take pride in ignorance! It's like they like being ignorant.

      by math monkey on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:41:37 PM PDT

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    •  I updated to show the comments and diaries (0+ / 0-)

      on which I based reasons for this diaries..see above in the content of the diary for updates.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:11:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  this diary sucks, no one is giving up in despair (2+ / 0-)
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    sweetliberty, BJMS

    Obama/Biden '08 "anticipatin...celebratin"

    by polticoscott on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:56:23 PM PDT

    •  sorry you feel that way, I should post some of (0+ / 0-)

      the comments from earlier posts of people.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:59:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Scott, I only write about 2 diaries per year (3+ / 0-)
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      cassidy3, slksfca, polticoscott

      and I thought this one was a good idea. I guess I was horribly wrong. It is not just DKOS, it is other sites as well of liberals upset and discouraged.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:01:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Maybe sucks is strong, I just think you're (1+ / 0-)
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        slksfca

        overreacting. I detect some concern out there, but I have been reading a lot today and honestly haven't got the sense anyone is even close to despair or giving up. My apologies for the hammer.

        Obama/Biden '08 "anticipatin...celebratin"

        by polticoscott on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:04:04 PM PDT

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        •  that is ok Scott, thanks for the hammer (0+ / 0-)

          as we all need it now and again. Actually, I thought some were overreating too, thus the diary.
          But I got on here earlier and must have found a few diaries where everyone was doom and gloom.

          Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

          by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:13:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  I'm sorry (3+ / 0-)

        I didn't realize you only post a couple of diaries a year. I guess my posts replies seem kind of bitchy in that light. But I truly believe you are mis-reading the mood of the room.

        Please Donate to Barack Obama's campaign. Every $5 or $10 helps!

        by cishart on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:04:24 PM PDT

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        •  thanks Cishart, I think it was luck of the draw (1+ / 0-)
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          cishart

          or the ill luck of the draw..LOL. As when i signed on, the front page comments were filled with quite a few people giving up and talking about what they would do after the loss!

          But it was just the timing , I think.

          I agree with you.

          Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

          by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:15:07 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  it's not the mood of this room the diarist is (0+ / 0-)

          worrying about, it is the fact that she realises that the electoal mansion has many rooms and lots of them are filled with absolute delight today that a pro-life, cretaionist, pro-gun, Phyliss Schaley feminist has got the nod from the man who wants to be president and apparantly will do whatever he feels necessary to get there,

          Broaden your vision folks, the electoral map does not consist of ONLY DK members, lurkers or browsers.

    •  but it is ok for those who post diaries joking (1+ / 0-)
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      cishart

      We are Dooomed ! We are Doomed!

      I guess I should have used humor. I am better with that anyway. I really felt this diary would help those who are feeling discouraged as you will see if you go through several diaries, there are more than you think feeling temporary discouragement.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:12:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Scott, I updated in my diary above (0+ / 0-)

      what I was seeing..thus my diary will make a little more sense. I hope, LOL!

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:11:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Moreover, who really thinks Palin will hurt us (2+ / 0-)
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    Leftovers, MariaWr

    It will energize his base. So what? It will turn off just as many thinking people.

    Why are the majority of your poll options pessimistic and gloomy? And why does your diary sound like you're trying to build us up after a blow?

    THIS HAS NOT BEEN A BLOW, IT'S A PRESENT.

    Sheesh.

    Please Donate to Barack Obama's campaign. Every $5 or $10 helps!

    by cishart on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:56:33 PM PDT

    •  That's the way I see it. Palin is the gift (1+ / 0-)
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      that keeps on giving.....for us.  Although they'll never say it on the record, word is that some of the runner ups in McCain's beauty contest are beyond pissed, that they were used and passed over for her.  I can't imagine more substantial women such as Susan Collins or Kay Bailey Hutchison are thrilled about having to defend her substantial record.  That being said, I'm hoping Dems don't go overboard in attacking her.  Her pick says more about John McCain than her.

    •  Oh I agree, guess I went about this the wrong way (0+ / 0-)

      I should have clarified in the diary more.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:25:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I don't understand... (0+ / 0-)

    I always thought McCain needed to pull more independents to win, not energize the evangelicals who were already going to vote for him anyway?

    Vicious, liberal, and female, nuff said.

    by Lopez99 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:56:35 PM PDT

    •  I understand (I hope) (0+ / 0-)

      McCain needs to pull more independents to win.

      However, he needs the evangelicals to not embarrass himself, to not kill the radical right agenda, and to ride the lecture and lobbyist gravy train for the rest of his days.

      He can sell out the cause and try to win.  Winners are forgiven just about everything.  Or he can stay true, lose, be taken care of for life, and the forces of [inflamatory word deleted] can fight again in 2012.

      I mean it's like these guys take pride in ignorance! It's like they like being ignorant.

      by math monkey on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:06:22 PM PDT

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      •  Yes those who are discouraged as you will see (0+ / 0-)

        in this thread
        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        These people are encountering a lot of motivated, energized Fundies ready to run to the polls. They are discouraged because their families and friends are now voting for MCcain just because of her and blah blah.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:17:01 PM PDT

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        •  I feel exactly the opposite (1+ / 0-)
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          My assumption has been that most fundies will vote for McCain anyway.  I mean, what, they're going to let that Hussein guy run the country?  Sure, McCain sucks, but we gotta stop them d@mn gay muslim commie baby-killers from taking over!

          Ok, maybe they'll be less motivated, maybe there'll be a slightly smaller percent not voting, maybe some of them will vote for Bob Barr or whoever the "Natural Law" party or the "Income Taxes are Unconstitutional" party have nominated, but really, we're talking about folks who will vote R because the alternative is a D.

          For McCain to win, I really, truly think he needs more moderates and independents.  Heck, he's been generally viewed as a "moderate, bipartisan Republican" most of his career (hence the "maverick" label which is still sticking this cycle).  Choosing a Veep who "arouses the base" (apparently in more ways than one!) is fine and all, but the more her views get publicized AND GET ASSOCIATED WITH MCCAIN, the less appealing he becomes to exactly the folks he needs.

          So he takes Alabama and Oklahoma by 30% instead of 25%, and Alaska is now wrapped up instead of Obama having an outside shot.  Big deal.  The fact that there was any lingering doubt about Alaska is a sign the GOP is in trouble.  That whole "inexperience" thing can stick a lot more to the Veep of the 72 year old guy who's had cancer (especially if she continues to have performances like that first one in Dayton, where she looked woefully out of her league, exactly like a small town Annie suddenly up in The National Spotlight), rather than they guy who looks increasingly Presidential every time he has to give a speech (and hopefully will also look in command of himself and the stage in the 3 debates).  Not to mention the fact that she's, you know, under investigation and the details of that little story will continue to play out...oh, overr the next two months, right smack dab in the middle of the campaign.

          No, I'm anything but discouraged.  I'm just waiting for the polls to start streaming in, for the dog days of the campaign to start and for Obama and Biden to kick up the intensity.  Post convention is like the playoffs in sports: everybody plays that much harder, every mistake is that much more magnified.  Ms. Palin has almost no time to get her feet under her and be gaffe free.  If you're going to screw up, the time to do it is in February or March (Rev. Wright tapes, anyone?) not in October.

          Although I see what McCain was trying to do here, I'm still stunned by his pick, and can hardly wait for the next few weeks to kick into high gear. It might work out for the GOP, but there's a good chance this could be Eagleton-like in its impact.  No, as an Obama supporter I've got a big smile.  Four more days or so and it's time to get down to business for the final two month sprint.  Like The Joker says in that new movie some people have been watching:

          "And...Here....We....GO"

          Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds

          by synchronicityii on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:43:03 PM PDT

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  •  Tip Jar (3+ / 0-)

    For Never Giving up.

    This diary was written to encourage us.

    I have read a lot of comments especially since late last night through early afternoon of people who have given up. Granted, it is only about a dozen people but many are regulars here.

    I also wanted to talk about how just because Palin energizes the GOP base of wingnuts, we can also use this to energize our base.

    Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

    by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:57:39 PM PDT

    •  Show me posts from people who have given up (2+ / 0-)
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      because of the Palin pick.

      Seriously, I'd like to see them.

      Your diary is as "encouraging" as a coach talking to his team at halftime and saying "Look, guys, I know we're up by 10 points and their coach just put a high school kid as a defensive lineman, but try not to let that get you down. It's still possible for us to win if you just believe."

      Please Donate to Barack Obama's campaign. Every $5 or $10 helps!

      by cishart on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:01:16 PM PDT

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      •  Here is an example and I can find more (0+ / 0-)

           
        About Palin:

        Everyone I know is enthralled.
        It makes me sick

        My family has conceded, we have lost the election. This will energize the base to turn out in high numbers again.

        Even electoral-vote. com..a liberal site posting polls said...

        McCain needed a boost in the polls. This just might do it.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:28:26 PM PDT

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    •  Giving Up? (0+ / 0-)

      People need to give up their money and their time -

      I just gave up a couple hundred bucks for Obama / Biden. Somebody (Al, I think) in another diary was reminding everyone that it's the end of the month.

      So yeah....I encourage everyone to give up today and in the coming days.

      8 is enough!!

      •  Exactly that is what I was trying to say (0+ / 0-)

        But I blew it folks, I apologize.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:29:01 PM PDT

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      •   Update of diary (0+ / 0-)

        to show the comments and diaries I was reading and why I did the diary

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:14:01 PM PDT

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    •  Wait ... (0+ / 0-)

      There are regulars on this site who think that the VP selection of a governor from the 47th most populous state with less than 2 years in that position and no opinion on the Iraq war is enough to torpedo the chances of the most dynamic and inspiring candidate in generations?   Geez, I didn't realize how fragile Obama/Biden really was.

      •  Yes there were and I was addressing that (0+ / 0-)

        in the diary who think Rovian tactics always win.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:29:48 PM PDT

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        •  I guess my point is, (0+ / 0-)

          what if McCain actually picked someone qualified for the job of VP?  If this pick is enough to make some on this site give up, then how the hell did they think Obama ever had a chance?

          •  I wondered that too, thus the diary (0+ / 0-)

            and I posted more links above to comments I was reading that explain it more.

            Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

            by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:14:45 PM PDT

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    •  I don't really agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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      But I very much like this:

      I also wanted to talk about how just because Palin energizes the GOP base of wingnuts, we can also use this to energize our base.

      Definitely worthy of discussion, IMO.

      There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. -Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

      by slksfca on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:17:57 PM PDT

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      •  Yes I should have stuck to that (1+ / 0-)
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        instead of addressing a dozen people who are discourged, sick, depressed over this.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:30:29 PM PDT

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  •  I think the people most discouraged and (4+ / 0-)

    depressed by the Palin pick are the few remaining more or less sane Republicans.

    Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

    by alizard on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:00:27 PM PDT

    •  Unless a majority of Americans are flat out (0+ / 0-)

      insane (always a possibility) this pick can only help Obama dramatically if anyone bothers to learn anything about her that is not coming from the McCain campaign -- like she is some kind of reformer that stands up to oil companies, give me an f***ing break. She is a climate change denier, an eager destroyer of wildlife, who claims there is enough oil in Alaska to fix America's energy problems. Just the sort of person to cause execs in Houston to really sweat.

      We have only just begun and none too soon.

      by global citizen on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:05:54 PM PDT

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      •  I think I am also basing this on the MSM (1+ / 0-)
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        which is gushing over her and how this makes MCCain the Maverick and how this helps him and hurts Obama.  

        But that is the MSM.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:31:36 PM PDT

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        •  I saw a little of that on CNN (1+ / 0-)
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          and was pretty amazed. I presume that it will not hold up or at least that they will eventually have to report the concerns of at least some sensible people -- imagine if you were a General in the military and thought that you might soon have to take an order to go to war from someone who knew as little about world affairs as she does, wow. I do worry though that the media will just make a 'fun story' out of this and prattle on about mcCain's 'daring' rather than his insanity (or mention his age in this context).

          We have only just begun and none too soon.

          by global citizen on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:52:23 PM PDT

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    •  actually I agree, but as you can see by my (0+ / 0-)

      updates, these people are not Republicans, maybe concern trolls. Some never seemed like concern trolls before..is what probably got me thinking.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:16:01 PM PDT

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  •  Look at me - I'm Mavericky! (3+ / 0-)
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    I haven't talked to a single person who wasn't already voting republican who is impressed with this pick.  Give McCain credit - nobody saw this coming.  So of course it's getting a lot of attention. Once the dust settles this is going to look like one of those quickie Las Vegas weddings that seemed like such a good idea at the time...

    Any democrat who wants to "concede" now should grow a spine or leave the party.  No sunshine patriots needed here.

    •  This diary also comes from some diariest late (0+ / 0-)

      last night writing diaries about this Palin choice is appealling to the soccer Moms and how this benefits McCain and blah blah. I should have just ignored all that BS.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:32:46 PM PDT

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  •  Focus on McSame (1+ / 0-)
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    ...he is the one to defeat.
    Palin will take care of herself, it's brutal on the stump. Focus on mcsame--he did this b/cause he is LOSING and needed to do something, anything.

    Whatever the Repuglicans say, the truth is the opposite.

    by MariaWr on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:02:41 PM PDT

  •  She's a bad choice (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes, a lot of media attention but the FACT is she's a poor choice.  This will turn to our advantage in the long run.  

    Remember that when she gaffes, she can say it was because of her years as a POW.

    I believe the Clear Light is the consciousness of the quantum vacuum.

    by Sharkmeister on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:03:28 PM PDT

  •  There's no quitting in me.... (0+ / 0-)

    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.

    by danieladamsmith on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:03:48 PM PDT

  •  What the fuck are you babbling about? (0+ / 0-)

    I've met no one in the Progressive Community that has given up in despair over Sarah Palin. If anything its made everyone a bit over confident at the seeming ineptness of the McCain campaign.

    If at first you don't succeed, your name is not Chuck Todd.

    by Larry Madill on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:05:15 PM PDT

    •  Larry,. I saw a good bit of it on this thread (0+ / 0-)

      from earlier today and some in diaries last night.

      I think, as I said, above..I just ran into a streak of concern trolls.  

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:18:37 PM PDT

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    •  Larry , I updated my diary to show (0+ / 0-)

      the diaries, the comments that I am talking about. I should have listed this in the original diary,it would make this diary easier to understand.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:18:51 PM PDT

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  •  Great sentiment, but I find (0+ / 0-)

    your assertions just a tad bizarre. From what I've seen reactions around here have ranged from ecstatic to merely puzzled toward McCain's pick.

    •  I stayed up too late last night and there (0+ / 0-)

      were at least a dozen people writing diaries that said we were in trouble and they were sick and discourged. That is what I was addressing.

      Maybe all those people were concern trolls, drunk or both..LOL

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:34:39 PM PDT

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    •  Updated Diary with examples (0+ / 0-)

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:19:17 PM PDT

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  •  What the hell... (0+ / 0-)

    are you talking about???

    •  I should have cited some diaries (0+ / 0-)

      and more comments of what I was reading here last night. I saw a good bit of discouraged people just sick about this choice because we could lose, blah blah. That is all.

      If you did not see it or disagree, I can respect that.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:39:38 PM PDT

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    •  Updated diary to show what I am talking about (0+ / 0-)

      with examples of people quite discouraged, worried or giving up.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:20:27 PM PDT

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  •  What the hell are you talking about?! (0+ / 0-)
    •  diary updated with examples I should have used (0+ / 0-)

      in the first place. I apologize.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:21:11 PM PDT

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  •  Why certain people on the forum (0+ / 0-)

    get discouraged every time McCain does something is beyond me. How many times has it been assumed that Obama was finished during this campaign, only to comes back stronger and smarter? We have the best possible candidate at the best possible time. Chill out people! Have some faith in Obama's political skill.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

    by rclendan on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:54:40 PM PDT

    •  Agreed, that is why I wrote the diary, to those (0+ / 0-)

      people. But I should have known they would read this or respond. I updated diary with specific comments and diaries that illustrate why I wrote this one.

      Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

      by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:22:01 PM PDT

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  •  what the?? (0+ / 0-)

    Palin is manna for the Dems, in any of the skrillion ways that have been articulated here and even in much of the MSM for the past 36 hours.
    I haven't heard or read a single comment by anyone on our side that even remotely reflects ANYTHING suggested by this tone-deaf, off-base, left-footed and, above all, astoundingly uninformed diary.

    I gave up smoking, drinking and sex. It was the worst 20 minutes of my life.

    by jedley on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:09:35 PM PDT

    •  sorry wishingwell (0+ / 0-)

      i jumped the gun and posted my comment before reading your comments about having jumped the gun!
      cheers

      I gave up smoking, drinking and sex. It was the worst 20 minutes of my life.

      by jedley on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:12:49 PM PDT

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      •  thanks. I updated diary to show why I wrote mine (0+ / 0-)

        these are the examples of what I was talking about.

        Sen.Bob Casey said:John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush more than 90% of the time...that's not a maverick, that's a sidekick.

        by wishingwell on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:22:44 PM PDT

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