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The kids are off limits, but Sarah Palin's dangerous judgment calls are not.  Somehow it's okay to criticize Britney Spears for driving her baby around without strapping him into a car seat, and to question Spears' mother about the unwed teen pregnancy of her other daughter, Jamie Lynn.  But it's not okay to question Sarah Palin, who could be Vice President and has made her family choices one of the centerpieces of her campaign, about her judgment?  Her behavior has been not just odd, but dangerous.

As a fellow sports-mom, the accounts of Sarah Palin's decision-making just get weirder and weirder.  I know, the kids are off limits.  But her judgment calls are not.

Today's Washington Post front-pages yet another story on Palin that leaves me saying, "Whhaaat?"

Before I get to the second half of the sentence, about Palin getting a warning from her public safety commissioner, my brain was shouting, "What were you thinking?":

Palin held her baby in her arms as the warden drove a short distance around the facility.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

That's parenting 101:  Most states won't let you leave the hospital without the baby being properly strapped into a newborn car seat.  Britney Spears made national attention, and took universal criticism, for the same offense.

And then there's the birth of said baby itself.  Palin's own account of the baby's birth is that she and her husband were in Houston when she awoke with mild contractions and leaking amniotic fluid.  According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, when a pregnant woman's water breaks, she should go right to the hospital because of the risk of infection. That's true even if the amniotic fluid simply leaks out.

Even though she was in premature labor (the baby was not due for another month), with a high-risk pregnancy (due to her age) of a special needs baby (diagnosed in utero with Down syndrome), she did not seek medical treatment.  Instead, she delivered a speech to the energy conference of a Republican governors group, got on an airplane (you're not supposed to fly after you're 7 months along, and certainly not while you're in labor), flew to Dallas, flew another leg to Seattle, and then a final leg to Anchorage--before driving 45 minutes to the hospital.

This is not just weird to me, it exhibits recklessness and extremely poor judgment.  IMHO.

Originally posted to Jesselyn Radack on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:08 AM PDT.

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  •  Please, for the love of all that is holy (17+ / 0-)

    can we not talk about Palin and her goddamned flight from Texas?

    Proud member of the uppity angry left.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:10:28 AM PDT

    •  I doubt the carseat is a winning issue (13+ / 0-)

      but that flight???

      Alaskans may celebrate rugged individualism, but most Americans think reasonable steps to protect the lives of a mother and child are good things.

      I read somewhere Palin did that because she wanted the child to be born a native Alaskan.  Do you think most people in this country can relate to that?

      I don't.

      •  Good point (7+ / 0-)

        especially if she is a secessionist, it may even be part of their rules.

        Get to Alaska or the baby might not be considered a true Alaskan if the state ever managed to succeed.

        •  But you forget the most important (8+ / 0-)

          thing (and it needs to be researched) - she was there for a gas and oil conference.  She was there to be vetted by big oil so she could be sold to Rick Davis!  

          That's why she sat through it knowing that her water had broken... that's the real topic.

        •  I think this is correct. (7+ / 0-)

          Not sure if it was really her motivation, but I believe that the AIP has said that if and when independence comes only native-born Alaskans will be citizens, and entitled to the privileges thereof. It's either in the AIP platform itself, on its webpage, or has been documented in videos of speeches by AIP officials. The only word from the Palins on why they did this, so far as I know, has come from Todd Palin, who was quoted as saying "You can't have a fish picker born in Texas." I'm frankly not sure what a fish picker is, or does, although I can guess, and it doesn't sound like Todd has great ambitions for Trig, but does plan on his future being centered in Alaska.

          BTW, the current MSNBC story on the Palins contains disturbing info on the extent to which Todd participates in government meetings, and is copied on all of Sarah's emails. This is a guy who was indisputably a member of AIP for many years. Will he be serving a similar function in President Palin's cabinet meetings? Can he pass an FBI background check to get a security clearance? I doubt it.

          "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." -- FDR

          by mainer on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:20:47 AM PDT

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        •  Saildude, think $$$, not secession! n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  Winning issues? (22+ / 0-)

        How about these:

        1.  She has repeatedly lied about her support of the Bridge to Nowhere.

        2.  She has repeatedly lied about selling the state plane on eBay -- at a profit.

        3.  She has repeatedly about her position on pork, claiming to oppose it even though she hired lobbyists to bring in $27 million dollars for her tiny town.  I believe that comes to about $50,000 per resident.

        4.  She doesn't know what the VP does.

        5.  She has no foreign policy experience at all.

        6.  She has no position on Iraq.

        7.  She's a member of a radical extremist church that associates with other radical extremists, including Jews for Jesus.

        8.  She is under investigation for ethical violations.

        9.  She continues to denigrate the work of community organizers, while claiming to be a reformer because she was on the PTA.

        10.  She became mayor of a town with a budget surplus and turned it into a deficit.

        There.  Ten issues you can talk about, and none of them are about her damned baby.

        Proud member of the uppity angry left.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:28:15 AM PDT

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        •  A voice of sanity (5+ / 0-)

           Thank you. How hard is it for people to figure out that there is so much to hammer Palin for, that there's no need to go anywhere near her family? All that does is leave the repugs an easy out to change the subject without answering the question. Calling her on actual, verified, on--tape lies is infinitely preferable to nitpicking her on family and personal matters. Because while I believe her actions in those matters are indicative of her poor judgment, we end up defending against charges of sexism.

           

          What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

          by happy camper on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:37:26 AM PDT

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        •  You're right (10+ / 0-)

          there's an awful lot about Sarah Palin we can legitimately criticize.

          I would add to your list:

          1. She chose to board an airplane after her amniotic fluid began leaking, putting both herself and her baby at grave personal risk.

          I don't know about you, but I don't want a person capable of making that kind of risky decision in charge of directing our country's foreign policy.

          Back in the seventies, when I was in college, we used to say "the personal is political."  It's never been more true than in this case.

          •  Wow. Talk about missing the point. (1+ / 0-)
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            I cannot believe that with so many legitimate, critical issues about Palin, people insist that her mothering decisions are equivalent to, say, her lies and her fiscally disastrous policies.

            You want to go after her for being a lousy mom?  Fine.  Waste your time.  In case you hadn't noticed, the far right has rallied around her family on all "family" issues.

            If, on the other hand, you want want to persuade undecided independents who aren't coo-coo for Jesus, maybe you should stick to more important issues than seatbelts and amniotic fluid.

            Proud member of the uppity angry left.

            by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:47:53 AM PDT

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            •  Have they rallied around her (3+ / 0-)
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              for that plane flight?

              Let them.

              Look, Palin was nominated in large part to peel away Hillary voters.  Women, however, know just how nuts it is to get on a plane when you're leaking amniotic fluid.  One hundred percent of women whom that happens to are ordered by their doctors to proceed immediately to the nearest medical center for observation.  Most of them begin induced labor, and some -- like my wife -- undergo an immediate caesarean section birth.

              People can relate to that.

              Sarah Palin is way out on the right-wing fringe, an Alaska firster who put her own life and that of her baby in danger in order that the child would be born in Alaska.  That removes her far from the American mainstream.

              This line of attack has the potential to kill not only Sarah Palin as a viable candidate for the vice presidency, but also John McCain.  It seriously weakens the credibility of the Republican Party.

              If you ask me, the pre-birth flight and Todd Palin's membership in the AIP are two sides of the exact same story, and we need to bring that story front and center to discredit both McCain's vetting and Palin's candidacy.

            •  Seriously (1+ / 0-)
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              Let Obama, Biden, and the Democrat operatives and surrogates go after any and all of those issues.

              But for the love of god let the people that want to call Palin on the carpet for other issues be. Palin, herself, made these issues legitimate by talking about them or by her spokespeople talk about them - months before she was a VP pick. These turn up in the Anchorage and Seattle papers. So it is a fair game topic.

              Whether Obama wants to have anything to do with the topic is his business. It shouldn't interfere one iota with a private citizen or citizens questioning the judgement of a candidate based on documented events in their past.

            •  If I can't trust her judgement in this arena... (5+ / 0-)
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              how can I trust her judgement in anything else? My wife's and son's well-being are the most important things to me, and more so when she was pregnant. In fact, about 2 weeks before our son's birth, my wife's blood pressure began to rise. She was told, on no uncertain terms, that she was on bed rest the rest of her pregnancy. No ifs, ands or buts. She was not even allowed to finish her day at work after that appointment. And she went along with it, even though she didn't want to.

              If I can't trust my vice president--who would have a better than usual chance of succeeding to the presidency if elected--to make sound decisions regarding her unborn child's health, how can I trust her to make wise governing decisions?

              I'll even go a step further. If true, this story says the following about Sarah Palin: she lets her ambition override her judgement. Why was she flying at 36 weeks to Dallas? Because she "had" to attend that conference. Why did she (supposedly) speak after her water broke? Because she was "determined" to give that speech. She "had" to give birth to her son in Alaska. It's all about her, it seems, even when it comes to family decisions.

              To me, the flight story itself is not the issue, it's what it says about Palin and how she makes what should be vitally important decisions.

              "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." --Bruce Cockburn, "Lovers In A Dangerous

              by AustinCynic on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:27:47 AM PDT

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              •  Particularly decisions effecting all American (2+ / 0-)
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                families. She is reckless about the very things she should hold most precious to her, her children. This is not lost on liberal women like me AND their ultra conservative base. Those women find her pro life stance rather hypocritical since she clearly isn't putting her family first and they believe the welfare of those kids should come first. I don't want someone running the country who isn't grounded in their family, making life and death decisions on the world stage.

            •  She's radically anti-choice ... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... and uses her son as a prop to demonstrate her dedication.  She's a self-proclaimed "hockey mom," implying a strong dedication to her children.  Yet she's willing to place her own child at risk repeatedly?  That leads me to question her judgement -- and her credentials as a parent.

            •  Carseats are the law (1+ / 0-)
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              Carseats are the law.  I have two kids and while I hated the time period when both kids were infants and they had to be not only be in a carseat but rear-facing for a full year (baby is crying and you can't see why--very frustrating), I followed the law.  I snapped and buckled over and over again even though holding a baby in your arms is much faster, it is not safer and it is against the law.
              I agree that the airplane story has been beaten to death, but the carseat issue is the law.  Governors don't get to choose which laws they follow.  Especially when they receive a citation and call it petty.  And, when it happens more than once.  I can tell you, that my babies were never without a carseat in a moving car, not once or twice wink wink I skipped it, never.  Safety laws are laws to protect, not petty laws.  The constitution is not something to fudge around with either.

          •  RNC Speaker talked about Toughness (4+ / 0-)
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            I'm not sure who the speaker was (a woman), but she used the story of flying back to Alaska while Palin was in labor as an indication of how tough Palin is.

            It should be fair to counter the perception of tough with reckless.

            •  Was that Lingle (1+ / 0-)
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              the governor of Hawaii?

              •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)
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                The same day she delivered that speech, Sarah went into labor with her fifth child...made the trip back to Alaska...and delivered her son Trig the next day.

                "Did I mention that she is tough?"

                She needs to be removed.

                I'm amazed at how the people of Hawaii could elect such a vile person as Governor. It's shocking. I watched it, and she made my skin crawl. ugh.

                NC, MN, OR, MS, ID, KY, GA, TX, OK, ME - every State with a Senate race!
                Every House seat!
                Let's get to work!

                by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:06:38 AM PDT

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          •  That she waited 18 hours to (3+ / 0-)
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            seek treatment in a high risk pregnancy with a sick baby, then drives around with the baby unrestrained, with contempt for his safety, leads to the obvious conclusion. She doesn't want him, and hopes God's Will can intervene to take Trig home.

            Abortion and infanticide by Divine Intervention (with a nudge by Sarah, but God won't mind).

            God loves Sarah, so she must be wondering why He let this go on so long? Now she knows it's so Trig was sent by Him to be the perfect campaign prop.

            And no, Obama, Biden and the rest can't touch this clear indicator of deep pathology from future President, but it if fine for us to talk about it.

        •  Not to mention (5+ / 0-)

          -- she want abortions in the cases of rape and incest to be illegal everywhere and her cohorts have imposed that view on the Republican party platform. She and her biggest fans are stark raving mad, not to mention morally repugnant beyond comprehension.

          We have only just begun and none too soon.

          by global citizen on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:48:10 AM PDT

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        •  Most of this ain't worth Jack... (1+ / 0-)
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          1. She has repeatedly lied about her support of the Bridge to Nowhere.

          Hmmm... has she?  Exactly?  She has been misleading... but has she lied?

          1.  She has repeatedly lied about selling the state plane on eBay -- at a profit.

          Be careful... she says she put the plane on eBay.  Did she say she sold it on eBay?  As for the profit, my understanding is that they sold it for more than they bought it for.  It was purchased second hand, so you can't just compare the list price with the sale price.

          1.  She has repeatedly about her position on pork, claiming to oppose it even though she hired lobbyists to bring in $27 million dollars for her tiny town.  I believe that comes to about $50,000 per resident.

          Yes, this is a good line of attack.  It helps that Obama and Biden both have strong records opposing earmarks and pork.  Oh... wait a minute... I seem to remember something about Obama and an earmark for the hospital his wife worked at... do we want to go there?

          1.  She doesn't know what the VP does.

          Neither does anyone else.

          1.  She has no foreign policy experience at all.

          Yes.  And we can tote up Obama's foreign policy experience in comparison.  

          1.  She has no position on Iraq.

          She has a son there.  Effectively immune.

          1.  She's a member of a radical extremist church that associates with other radical extremists, including Jews for Jesus.

          And she has an Israeli flag in her office and she surprised the local Frozen Chosen by showing up at a synagogue opening without being specifically invited and said polite nothings about how everyone should have their own place to worship.  Won't fly.

          1.  She is under investigation for ethical violations.

          Good... but I doubt it will fly - if there is one thing the McCain campaign definitely checked out it is her trooper problems.

          1.  She continues to denigrate the work of community organizers, while claiming to be a reformer because she was on the PTA.

          And most Americans are laughing and wishing they could find a community organizer so they can yell "Get a real job!"

          1.  She became mayor of a town with a budget surplus and turned it into a deficit.

          Good.

      •  The flight (5+ / 0-)

        I took a little flack for harping on it myself, but to me it says everything about Palin's judgement that needs to be said.

        However...Alaskans and Texans like to tweak each other over their "big state" rivalry, and I do firmly believe that Palin was not telling the truth about boarding that flight with her water leaking. My theory/thought is that the Palins made up what they thought was probably a cute story, what probably would have remained a cute story if she hadn't joined the national ticket.

        Jessalyn's right about flying so late in pregnancy being in an of itself risky; but if "water-break-gate" is true what Gov. Palin was doing was playing, IMO, Russian Roulette with hers and her child's lives. Perhaps this is yet one more reason McCain's people are keeping her under lock and key?

        "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." --Bruce Cockburn, "Lovers In A Dangerous

        by AustinCynic on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:18:47 AM PDT

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      •  Why do Sarah and Todd hate America (4+ / 0-)
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        so much they'd risk 2 lives to avoid being born in the continental usa?

        Btw, Todd seems angry somehow.

      •  IIRC a "native" Alaskan is eligible for (1+ / 0-)
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        future funds from oil pipeline revenues.

        Where I live, we have an-ever-dwindling population of true Native Hawn's---who are entitled to parcels of land; most die before evvah receiving, however!

        People who reside here are either "locals" (some of whom may also be "Haw'ns); if actually born here are referred to as "kama'aina", or children of the land. All other later-comers can never be the aforementioned!  Choice terms exist for THEM, but I won't use those words! Kindest would be word malihini, usually applies to
        visitor/newcomer/recent transplant.

        Using the rule-of-thumb to which I've become accustomed, a "native" Alaskan would, perforce, have to be Inuit!!  They really should come up with a different, and more accurate term, IMHO!

        My son has lived on O'ahu since 1980, making him a kama'aina. Please note there is NO ethnic/racial component here! He, and I-- will forevvah be haole.
        I'm a 1995 transplant, so I sorta straddle malihi 'n' kama'aina.

        We can nevvah be Hawaiian, no matter how long we live here; only gets one lucky chance to be born such!

        I used to be a Pennsylvanian, know alot of Noo Yawkers, my SIL's a New Jerseyite, Joe Biden's a Delawarean(?), there are many Californians on DK---
        but I continue to cringe when the unintitiated continue to label, incorrectly, based on rules that're valid in any other of the United States!

        Aloha   ..  ..  ..

      •  You can't stop labor from happening (0+ / 0-)

        I have a hard time believing that a woman on her 5th pregnancy could wait until she got home to Alaska to have the baby.  This isn't something she has control over - either it is stupid judgment or she is a liar.  Both are possible with Sarah.  She  is not vice-presidential material.

    •  Talking about Palin's kids VALIDATES McCain (1+ / 0-)
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      and his slime.

      The point is to STOP talking about.

      What part of "off limits" do you not understand?

      •  I thought we could discuss what we want here (3+ / 0-)
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        Palin is off limits to the Obama campaign, not us.

        We should not change our discussions of the issues and allow it to be determined by what some right winger thinks about it.

        •  It's not an "issue" it's tabloid diversion (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Sorry, Palins iresponsible decisions (2+ / 0-)
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            no matter what they concern is an issue to me.

            I find it odd you consider this bdiary or subject a tabloid diversion and yet comment on the diary anyway.

            •  Fine then Barack's decision (0+ / 0-)

              to marry Michelle is fair game, and his decision to attend Trinity Church and.....and.....

              Don't you get it? It's all in or it's all out.

              Drop it. It's a personal matter.

              •  Remember when Michelle started campaigning in (1+ / 0-)
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                earnest for her husband, remember the concerns about those two adorable little girls? remember how THEY BOTH didn't find anything sinister in the concern, they let us know Michelle's mother was there for the girls. She limited her involvement to three days a week, daddy calls every night and sees them at every opportunity. That they were keeping it real for the girls, trying to limit the impact on their lives.

                Think about their response and actions against Palin, who would you trust just based on family values and valuing their family with your future?

                It is all about judgement and these personal glimpses are a very telling.

              •  That's all been covered, and covered, and covered (0+ / 0-)

                and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered,
                and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered,
                and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered,
                and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered, and covered.

                And will be again. So what's your point?

              •  It is all in. (0+ / 0-)

                Everything about Obama has been critisized, spotlighted, and made into a special documentary.

                Do you think you're going to get the Republican part to shut up about anything that may cause people to be concerned about Obama being president if you choose to not say something about Palin?

                These people are not concerned about torturing people and what impacts it may have on people serving the U.S. military.

                Take President Bush.... PLEASE!

                by DerAmi on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:57:32 AM PDT

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            •  She put it out on prime time!! (0+ / 0-)

              It was Palin herself who put out the information about her daughter's pregnancy, not anything anyone "dug up."  She put it out to combat "rumors about herself" that her latest baby was actually her daughter's.  It was Palin herself who threw her daughter's pregnancy out there to squelch a rumor about herself....i.e. throwing her daughter to the wolves to cover her own ass.

              if you don't want your daughter's pregnancy discussed in public, don't put it out on national news on primetime.

              If Liberals really hated America we'd vote Republican

              by exlrrp on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:44:11 AM PDT

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        •  There are many very concerned people (3+ / 0-)
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          at DK. They are only trying to protect us. ;)

      •  Her judgement is certainly not off limits. (4+ / 0-)
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        McSame's campaign wants to mash all questions about Palin together into one huge off-limits island.  I'm not validating McSame in any way by questioning her choices.  As a mom of two boys, her judgement in not prioritizing the health and well being of her baby warrant scrutiny.    

      •  It's over (5+ / 0-)
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        Palin is off limits because she is a stark raving loon with no self-control, a horrifyingly embarrassing personal life as a negligent mother, bully of a boss, and corrupt public official. If conversation about what she really is were to blossom, the public might get to know her. So she is off limits.

        She will be so much worse than Bush as President. Until a week ago I didn't think that was possible.

    •  Child endangerment is a crime. (12+ / 0-)

      If a Democratic candidate for dog catcher was caught holding an infant while driving, it would be front page news on every newspaper in the land for weeks.

      I am getting sick and tired of people being AFRAID to challenge this woman. It's making me physically ill.

      NC, MN, OR, MS, ID, KY, GA, TX, OK, ME - every State with a Senate race!
      Every House seat!
      Let's get to work!

      by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:39:42 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not afraid to challenge her. (5+ / 0-)

        I just think there are far better issues on which to challenge her, as I have posted repeatedly.

        I don't give a shit that she's a lousy mother.  That's not what disqualifies her to be vice president.  The fact that she was a lousy mayor and a lousy governor, with absolutely no foreign policy knowledge or experience, is what disqualifies her.

        Proud member of the uppity angry left.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:41:56 AM PDT

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        •  But do you think the adoring throngs of (7+ / 0-)

          republicans know or care about what kind of governor or mayor she was?  I doubt it.  They are falling in love with the ballsy hockey mom with the "sexy" glasses (I'm puking in my mouth as I'm writing this) with great family values.  

          But some of those adoring throngs are mothers who, like me, would never even consider taking their babies out of car seats.  The number of road trips where my oldest was screaming in her car seat and we were either stuck in bad traffic or trying to get to an airport so we couldn't stop and we had four adults in the care singing Mary Had a Little Lamb over and over and over again to keep her happy.  If this helps to raise a question mark in their heads, I'm for it although I agree entirely with you that there are many more substantive problems.

          Since the MSM appears to be in full Palin swoon (or too intimidated by the McCain bullies), the National Enquirer and US may be our allies (although thank you Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann for keeping me sane).

          Middle Aged White Jewish Mom for Obama/Biden '08

          by nycmom on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:52:01 AM PDT

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          •  So here's my question... (0+ / 0-)

            You're saying the adoring throngs don't know about her failures as mayor and governor.

            But instead of educating them on those issues, we should be focused on investigating and criticizing her decisions as a mother?  

            The adoring throngs have rallied around this family on "family" issues, such as the knocked-up teen.  

            Why don't we focus on educating them about the other stuff?

            Proud member of the uppity angry left.

            by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:54:24 AM PDT

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            •  You have a higher opinion of the throngs than I (2+ / 0-)
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              do.  If they cared about politics or policy, how could they possibly support the Republicans after the last eight years?  This is the age of American Idol where a mediocre singer can be elevated to his or her own record deal.  Where people care more about the exploits of Brittany Spears and Lindsay Lohan than they do about the Iraq War.  My husband and I were just explaining to our kids that when we grew up in the 60s and 70s, we watched the war on the evening news every night.  The kids couldn't picture it.  

              I guess what I'm saying is that we do live in a culture that seems to be more about personality and celebrity than substance and as much as I agree with you that we should always try to steer the conversation toward substance, a huge portion of the population has had its brains numbed by years of People, Us, Celebrity Life and Style, Entertainment Tonight, American Idol and dozens of reality shows.  So if we can reach a few of them by pointing out the ways in which Sarah Palin's life intersects with that of the Spears sisters (Jamie Lynn on teen pregnancy and Britney on driving with your infant on your lap), it might be worth it.

              Middle Aged White Jewish Mom for Obama/Biden '08

              by nycmom on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:06:43 AM PDT

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            •  They don't care about any of those issue (1+ / 0-)
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              The evangelical base and conservative base are enthralled with her because of her "family values" and her positions on "social issues".

              As long as she says she is in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade they will all be on her bandwagon.

              To think otherwise is to be intentionally delusional.

            •  Because the issue of her reckless (0+ / 0-)

              and cavalier actions concerning her children hits women particularly and ANY parent who views their children as the most precious part of their lives. Sometimes we can't articulate those feelings about Palin but they are real and viseral for some of us, and they cut across party and economic lines. They absolutely speak to her judgement, the very place she should be using good judgement she isn't and explains a lot about why she is in the other trouble.

        •  You both make valid points. (2+ / 0-)
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          The pregnant plane ride points to a recklessness similar to that of the man who chose her without ever vetting her. Its a strange story that needs to be investigated but I'd rather leave that to the National Enquirer crowd to ferret out. Bill Maher brought up the baby issue on his latest show, saying he doesn't believe its her baby but Jeffrey Toobin of CNN was scared shitless to even touch it (afraid of a visit from Rovian thug Steve Schmidt I believe.) I'd rather hammer away at the steady stream of blatant lies that ooze from Sarah Palin's mouth every time she gets near a microphone. There are plenty to deal with. Those are things the media will follow up on if we keep pushing more info before their faces. Hell, even the AP has a story out called "Questions Remain About Palin Vetting." Its up to us to make sure the stories stay alive long enough for the media to pick up on them.

          Meet Sarah Palin, graduate of the Monica Goodling School of Ethics.

          by eclecticbrotha on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:59:01 AM PDT

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        •  Gotchya ... but ... (0+ / 0-)

          I don't aim to sway Dobson's vote. I aim to sway the traditionally Republican friends of mine, who are parents, and aside from their politics, are generally rational people ;).

          Between the economy, and what they know about raising children, some die-hard Republicans I know are looking at Obama. And it's not the lies she's told that are getting through to them. Getting on a plane leaking ambiotic fluid, sorry to say, has trickled down far faster than anybody's economic policy.

          Can't wait to drop the car-seat story on my Republican-mother-of-five friend in Indiana :P. She's already figured out that Palin threw her daughter under the bus when the opportunity to be VP presented itself.

          All that is necessary for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke

          by Lois Lane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:41:27 AM PDT

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        •  Better issues than her judgment? (0+ / 0-)

          She doesn't protect her children, but you trust her with her finger on the button?

          How reassuring.

      •  I wrote a diary yesterday about (0+ / 0-)

        the importance of mothers and valuing one's family as a requirement to valuing our families and making good choices about our futures. Got a some flack, but I still contend being connected to one's family colors your choices as a leader. I think it is what separates the cowboys from the big boys.

    •  wait! sarah palin is real? i thought she was... (1+ / 0-)
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      the fictitious love child of john waters and david lynch

    •  Holy Mouse Shit! (3+ / 0-)
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      Senator Kerry was defeated by people spreading lies. People belived those lies just as a the torture approving, consitutional destroying regime wanted the people to believe the lies.

      What do you love that is holy? Yes we can talk about Palin. And her "goddammned" flight from Texas.

      Palin is representing an end to the United States of America as proscribed by the Constitution of the United States of American. And you are concerned with your "love of all that is holy?"

      Take President Bush.... PLEASE!

      by DerAmi on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:47:25 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, we can talk about Palin. (0+ / 0-)

        I've now twice provided a list of ten talking points that I pulled off the top of my head, all of which speak much more directly to the kind of vice president she would be than any criticism anyone can dig up about what she does or doesn't do with her children.

        Proud member of the uppity angry left.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:55:45 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, I read your list... twice. (2+ / 0-)
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          Do you not realize that she would make all abortions a federal crime? I'm not talking about late term abortions. She specifically said at the time that her daughter was 14 years old that even in the case of rape she would not support abortion. Birth control is described as abortion by these radicals.

          Her actions put her child at risk. In the terms of late stage abortion risk.

          There are millions of voters that do not vote according to your fine list of ten issues. They are extremists and if they see how far away she is from what she says she is then they may vote against the Republican ticket because of her.

          Take President Bush.... PLEASE!

          by DerAmi on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:02:44 AM PDT

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      •  I have to recommend you, only because (2+ / 0-)
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        it truly does point out that we have been cowed into playing a different type of politics.

        We are expected to be perfect and rise above using tactics that were on display right at the RNC. Even the AP said most of the RNC speeches were outright lies.

        Yet, we are expected to suck it up, and somehow get our points across without even the HINT of hyperbole.

        Kerry's character was assassinated, and yet we cannot open our mouths about this woman for fear of retribution. Plays right into Rove's playbook.

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        by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:10:14 AM PDT

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    •  yes, put the spotlight back on mccain! (0+ / 0-)

      while i agree with the diarist on some points, i think we all agree that palin's judgment on a lot of issues leaves much to be desired

      it's far more effective to ignore palin and question mccain's judgment---there are many issues about energy, jobs, equal pay for equal work, etc, that folks don't know about

      every time we talk about palin's family, those issues go back to the back burner

      mccain is a weak candidate---let's focus on that

    •  If I were on that plane and it got diverted.. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'd be one pissed off guy. Can you imagine?!

      I wonder if her desire(insistence) on having the baby in Alaska has anything to do with her husband's Alaska-first anti-Americanism?

      Just wondering..

    •  Not when (0+ / 0-)

      she parades them in front of the convention and the world...The clintons were use anything to win BUT they protected their daughter

  •  Do the words "White Trash" mean. . . (5+ / 0-)

    anything to you?

    And I still find that birthing story literally unbelievable.  But we didn't bring it up.  She did.

    All politics is class-warfare.

    by dhfsfc on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:13:13 AM PDT

    •  That's the point. She is running for vice (9+ / 0-)

      president on the basis of a persona constructed out of stories like this.  It is our job (since the media for the most part seems to be flat footed) to either point out that they are false or that the underlying behavior is reckless.  Also to point out the utter hypocrisy of right wing pundits like Bill O who castigated Jamie Lynn Spears' parents for their daughter's unmarried teen pregnancy but applaud Sarah Palin for hers.  Same thing here with riding around in a car with a baby in her arms.  Britney gets slammed and rightfully and Sarah gets a free pass.  

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      by nycmom on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:27:07 AM PDT

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  •  I agree with Angry Mouse here. Palin (7+ / 0-)

    was for earmarks before she was against them. she has limited executive experience, and no foreign policy experience, unless you could going to school in Moscow, Idaho. We don't need to get into the personal stuff.

    •  Bullshit... er, I mean Mooseshit! (6+ / 0-)

      This is a real issue. These are decisions that would cause me not to allow my children to be alone in the room with this person.

      Ms. Palin has serious problems and those problems should be discussed.

      Take President Bush.... PLEASE!

      by DerAmi on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:35:00 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, let's discuss her problems. (2+ / 0-)
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        1.  She has repeatedly lied about her support of the Bridge to Nowhere.
        1.  She has repeatedly lied about selling the state plane on eBay -- at a profit.
        1.  She has repeatedly lied about her position on pork, claiming to oppose it even though she hired lobbyists to bring in $27 million dollars for her tiny town.  I believe that comes to about $50,000 per resident.
        1.  She doesn't know what the VP does.
        1.  She has no foreign policy experience at all.
        1.  She has no position on Iraq.
        1.  She's a member of a radical extremist church that associates with other radical extremists, including Jews for Jesus.
        1.  She is under investigation for ethical violations.
        1.  She continues to denigrate the work of community organizers, while claiming to be a reformer because she was on the PTA.
        1.  She became mayor of a town with a budget surplus and turned it into a deficit.

        There.  Ten issues you can talk about, and none of them are about her damned baby.

        Proud member of the uppity angry left.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:37:34 AM PDT

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      •  Mojo for mooseshit. (6+ / 0-)

        I agree that Sarah Palin's children are off limits, but her positions and reactions to issues they raise are not. Having a baby and a shotgun wedding at 16/17 is NOT a good idea or something to be celebrated.  If she had put her daughter on birth control, it is unlikely that this would have happened.  Sarah Palin and her ilk are more responsible for this type of "sad" occurence than the kids. Palin should be old enough and wise enough to know better.  She isn't.  

        They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20 ~~ Dennis Kucinich

        by dkmich on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:40:46 AM PDT

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        •  Read about the young man (1+ / 0-)
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          Nothing unusual for a teenager I'm sure.

          But coercing your daughter to marry the young man? Sad.

        •  I can't believe some of the (0+ / 0-)

          crap I am reading on here lately.

          Look, she didn't "put" her daughter on birth control because she doesn't believe that she should be having sex at 17.

          How do you KNOW that they weren't using a condom and it broke?
          Were you THERE??

          I don't believe they are celebrating anything, there is a difference between embracing your daughter during a difficult time and "celebrating" an unwed pregnancy.
          I know this from personal experience.
          As for the "shotgun wedding" if our daughter was in the same position, that is exactly what we would expect. It is not what we would want, but the boy had better damn well step up to his responsibilities or my husband would....be very unhappy to say the least.

          As for what is and what isn't a good idea, this really isn't anyones business but their own.

          All this fake finger wagging at her daughters pregnancy is bullshit.

          Mind your own business.

          A veteran is someone who, at one point in his/her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The USA for an amount of "up to and including my life." - unknown

          by AJsMom on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:06:06 AM PDT

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          •  Condoms are not birth control, they (0+ / 0-)

            are preventatives to disease.  I am minding my own business, which includes judging candidate qualifications and keeping hypocrites and fools out of office.

            They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20 ~~ Dennis Kucinich

            by dkmich on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:30:58 AM PDT

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    •  Child endangerment is a CRIME. (8+ / 0-)

      It's not personal stuff.

      If Caribou Barbie wants to drive around without a seatbelt, good for her. She has no right to endanger her child, sorry.

      Alaska law says that a driver may not transport children under 16 in a motor vehicle unless the child is properly secured according to state child passenger safety law. Children under age 4 must be properly secured in a federally approved car seat or booster car seat. For children over age 4 but under age 16, Alaska state law requires that the child be properly secured in a vehicle seat belt or federally approved car seat or booster seat, whichever is appropriate for the particular child.

      http://www.infant-car-seats.com/...

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      by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:36:55 AM PDT

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      •  Loving it. (0+ / 0-)

        *Carabou Barbie
        *Secessionist Sarah
        *Bush in go-go boots

        They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20 ~~ Dennis Kucinich

        by dkmich on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:42:01 AM PDT

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      •  Let's just have her pay the fucking ticket (0+ / 0-)

        retroactively so we can be done with this nonsense.

        •  They LOCK PEOPLE UP for this. (5+ / 0-)

          Just recently a woman was jailed for 5 days in an adjacent town for doing just the very same thing.

          Granted, that's a bit harsh.

          In most cases, they get probation, and a State social worker is assigned, to ensure that the children are being properly protected and the parents have to certify on a regular basis they are complying with the law.

          As for it being nonsense, I have a close friend who served as fire chief for many years. His stories about scraping up the remains of dead infants not properly restrained after a car accident is not nonsense, my friend.

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          by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:02:02 AM PDT

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          •  It's a moving violation, at least in AK. (1+ / 0-)
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            And, honestly, I really don't see this doing anything other than turning voters off.  If I'm wrong, great.  I think this stuff is nuts, but if it pushes voters to vote (D), fine.

            I just don't think it will.  And I personally think it's nosy busy-body-ism.

  •  It's weird, watching Republicans on TV (21+ / 0-)

    cheering teen pregnancy.  This is every parent's nightmare.  

    We are all droogie6655321

    by Buckeye BattleCry on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:18:58 AM PDT

    •  it's weird watching repubs on tv period. n/t (5+ / 0-)
    •  P.S. (4+ / 0-)
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      On the birth of Trig...Sarah Palin was leaking amniotic fluid and only had contractions once or twice an hour.  Not active labor, but a serious risk of infection.  She had to have delivery induced when she reached her destination in Wasilla.  Her doctor says she didn't OK the flight because Sarah Palin didn't ask, but that it wasn't unreasonable for her to fly.  Another doctor interviewed for the article linked below, active in the Am. College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, doesn't agree.

      It may not have been unreasonable for Todd and Sarah, because secessionists would definitely want their baby to be born in Alaska.

      http://www.adn.com/...

      We are all droogie6655321

      by Buckeye BattleCry on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:38:21 AM PDT

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      •  From my father-in-law (1+ / 0-)
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        Who is an OB/GYN (and a Republican, FWIW): he told me when I asked that sometimes something called a "high leak" can develop--the break or tear can occur higher up on the amniotic sac rather than down by the cervix and that does not necessarily signal the onset of labor. Still, there is a risk of infection, particularly group B strep, which can be serious, even life-threatening to a newborn.

        He said that if Palin had been his patient and she'd called him prior to boarding the flight, he'd have told her, and I quote, "to get her ass to a hospital in Texas."

        While it's possible that Palin's doctor is clueless, it's probably more likely she doesn't want to end up on an enemies list.

        "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." --Bruce Cockburn, "Lovers In A Dangerous

        by AustinCynic on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:13:22 AM PDT

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  •  That the woman is nuts is a given (6+ / 0-)

    That we're going to be subjected to her for the next 60 days (and, oh dear god no, beyond) is simply beyond comprehension. Surely there is a bad opera to be composed over this. She is beyond camp. Every day seven new weird things come out about her. Next thing we'll hear is that she IS Rosemary's Baby--the REAL Manchurian Candidate.

    The more I think about it, though, the more I believe that once the fake excitement wears off (and to be fair, having a woman on the ticket IS kind of exciting, even if it's THIS woman), Obama will find a way to reduce her to size (zero works for me--or nada, as Rudy might put it) as the provincial crooked hack politician that she so clearly is. She's Spiro Agnew as a PTA moose-hunting hockey mom, whining about the elusive elucidators of elitist. Or something.

    If Sarah Palin is a pit bull, why is she too chicken to face the media?

    by kovie on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:23:49 AM PDT

    •  I'm not sure how much of a political future (1+ / 0-)
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      she has.

      I mean, Ferraro manages to emerge from obscurity every once in a while, but she really became pretty marginal once she and Walter went down to historic defeat.

      If we do our job and get Obama elected by the margins he should be capable of -- I mean by well over 300 votes in the EC -- we may never have to worry about Sarah Palin again.

  •  Don't you know (4+ / 0-)

    you're supposed to do like they say, not like they do.

  •  That may not be the only time (7+ / 0-)

    From Andrew Halcro's blog ...

    An alert reader pointed out this paragraph in the >WSJ story and posed a question...

    "Ms. Palin said afterward that she had ducked down to keep state troopers from seeing her as the family negotiated roadwork on the 160-mile drive from Anchorage to Kenai. "I knew they would wave me through," said Ms. Palin, as her husband, a four-time winner of Alaska's Tesoro Iron Dog snow-machine race, held their baby, Trig."

    When did infant car seats become optional in Alaska?

    Emphasis is mine.

    •  I read the story and can't figure out the context (1+ / 0-)
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      It's unclear whether Todd was holding Trig in the car or, simply, during the interview.

      So I'm not sure this is a real example of negligence, but if we can find one, it should be published.  The diarist is correct: if a celebrity catches hell (justifiably) for the same infraction, why not the current VP candidate?

      Though a war may well be "too stupid," that doesn't prevent its lasting. Stupidity has a knack of getting its way. --Albert Camus

      by GreenMtnState on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:36:05 AM PDT

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    •  So there are now two reported examples of this (0+ / 0-)

      reckless and illegal behavior.  While I agree that there are many more substantive issues to attack her on, as she is running on her "hockey mom" persona as much as on any actual qualifications or experience, I think it is important to point this out.  It may help to sway other mom voters who would never even consider driving in a car if our babies were not strapped into a car seat.  

      Middle Aged White Jewish Mom for Obama/Biden '08

      by nycmom on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:37:37 AM PDT

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      •  the WSJ 'journalist' does not make it clear .. (1+ / 0-)
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        I can read the sentence as indicating the husband was holding the child as the Palin was being interviewed, not in the car.

        But this .. this is clear and unambiguous

           Palin held her baby in her arms as the warden drove a short distance around the facility.

        No more is really needed than that. That's a crime in any State in the Union, and if a State Trooper or Police saw that, they'd issue a summons. I don't give a damn who the person is.

        This is arrogance of power, at it's finest being displayed here.

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        by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:53:34 AM PDT

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    •  Too many commas. (0+ / 0-)

      It's unclear what the context was.

      I don't understand why the husband or child was mentioned at all in the WSJ article.

      Very poor writing!

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      by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:49:18 AM PDT

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  •  Palin's mother-in-labor behavior is SO weird, (4+ / 0-)

    I don't know how to compute it. And this is speaking from
    a mom-to-be with one high risk pregnancy and another
    where I wouldn't have gone 2 miles from home in the late stages,
    let alone cross-continent.

    It makes me cross-eyed.

    But I still think we have better fish to fry about her that will ring
    truer and have more results, voter-wise.

    ENOUGH Barack Obama 8/28/08

    by begone on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:31:45 AM PDT

  •  If a Democrat is caught doing this, it would be (4+ / 0-)
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    front page news for days, and the screeching from the reich wing would be impossible to stop.

    What do we hear from the corporate media about Caribou Barbie on this ???

    [crickets]

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    by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:31:51 AM PDT

  •  let's call it what it is (1+ / 0-)
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    In the vernacular, it's known as a "Catholic abortion":  when you take ridiculous risks during the last trimester, essentially trying to induce a miscarriage. Same result as a regular abortion, with a thin veneer of plausible deniability to cover your guilt.

    -7.75,-7.54; Sarah Palin: the trailer trash version of Hillary Clinton.

    by erik in grayslake on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:33:43 AM PDT

  •  One more thing from the Article you cite (6+ / 0-)

    Husband Todd, a celebrity in his own right as a champion snowmobile racer before becoming known as "First Dude," confers with Cabinet officials and is copied on the governor's e-mails.

    In the Troopergate fiasco, the Governor is claiming Executive Privilege in releasing e-mails. Several of the e-mails in question were sent to or from Todd Palin.

    The list of e-mails that the Governor considers to be Executive Privilege were obtained in a FOIA request by an Anchorage resident.

    Again from Andrew Halcros site - The List

    If you open that PDF you need to Rotate the document clockwise.

    I am certainly not a lawyer but I would think that if any of the e-mails were sent to a private citizen - Todd Palin - that they wouldn't be able to claim Executive Privilege.

  •  The continuation of this kind of crap (4+ / 0-)

    simply creeps me out.

    I swear...what part of take it to Drudge or National Inqirer do you not understand?

    We are all Droogie....f*ck the AP

    by crazyshirley2100 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:36:26 AM PDT

  •  Mud Flats (1+ / 0-)
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    The Now very busy Alaskan Blogger, and real good writer, has a recent post up about just this!!

    Do We Need Change, You're Damn Right We Do, And The World Needs Us To Change, Now!!

    by jimstaro on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:37:33 AM PDT

  •  Jessalyn, I love you. . . (4+ / 0-)

    but I really don't think this needs to be belabored (no pun intended).

    More disturbing to me is that she wants us, and our daughters and grandaughters, to be denied the right to make a choice.  She wants more teenage mothers, more children in poverty, and less girls graduating from high school, or going to college and grad school.

    THIS is what we should be telling the women who think she is so fascinating, and visually satisfying.  She should not be anyone's role model, least of all their daughters.  

    Breaking the glass ceiling?  I don't think so.

    All politics is class-warfare.

    by dhfsfc on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:39:21 AM PDT

  •  Jess, you can remove the bit about the airplane (1+ / 0-)
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    trip, and you have a fully functional diary with a very serious issue.

    I added child endangerment to your tags, because this is what 50 States in the Union call it, when one does not have the proper restraints for a child in a motor vehicle.

    Rather than stoke the hyperbole of the plane flight and the speculation about what was going through her head, and the tin foil about 'catholic abortion' which I find repellent, you should delete the diary and re-write it to address only and specifically the issue of the proper car restraint for the infant - and other examples we can find.

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    by shpilk on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:46:36 AM PDT

  •  Ask her about "birth control" and we will hear (0+ / 0-)

    a more extreme far out position.  I suspect her position on acceptable birth control, as concerns type and availability to women and men, may be even scarier than her views/position on personal choice. IMHO Palin, like w, is a stealth candidate, and if elected, will demonstrate the extremist views/positions and beliefs of the extreme right wing evangelicals.  She will say little during the next 60 days, but if elected will be speaking from every soap box and pulpit spewing her belief that god has called her to change/save America.

  •  Barely Mentioned and was probably a slip (1+ / 0-)
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    myrealname

    but during the rub convention it slipped out that the Nanny of her oldest son was in the audience. That means instead of doing all this wonderful mothering Sarah claims, she also used a Nanny to do much of it. Does that mean all her kids were raised by Nannys ?
    I have nothing against nannys or mothers helpers, not in this day and age when every one that can work must work just so a family can get by sometimes. That said if she is going to brag on being a Mom, she should at least acknowledge that she had more help of the elitist type than most woman have access to.

    President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

    by SmileySam on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 05:59:09 AM PDT

  •  Lack of judgment... (4+ / 0-)
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    GN1927, myrealname, saildude, DerAmi

    Bad mother, good mother is not the point of the diary.  Here is a person who made a stupid and risky decision and who showed the emotional judgment of a teenager.  Do you want this type of person to possibly be in charge of your child's destiny?  Would you hire someone with this type of judgment as a babysitter?  You might as well give a toddler a loaded gun and then send him/her out to play on the freeway.

  •  Lost in all of this, is what should be obvious (11+ / 0-)

    Since this diary is getting drawn out

    Palin held her baby in her arms as the warden drove a short distance around the facility, said corrections director Joe Schmidt, who sat next to Palin. A few days later, the governor got a warning from her public safety commissioner

    The Public Safety Commissioner - since this event happened in June - would be the one she fired in July as part of what is known as Troopergate.

  •  My fifteen year old daughter (0+ / 0-)

     just walked in and turned the TV to Chris Wallace interviewing Rick Davis on Fox Sunday. After a few minutes of watching she said " this guy from McCain's campaign hasn't answered a question yet."

     Then she said "I wish they would quit asking about Sarah Palin's kids and ask about her opinions and her record. Who cares about her family life?"

     Out of the mouths of babes...

    What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

    by happy camper on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 06:51:08 AM PDT

    •  Unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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      The only way to keep the evangelical base from voting for her - not to get Republicans to vote for a Democrat - is to destroy Palin on her credibility with regard to "family values", "social issues", and perhaps, if possible, "morality".

      Anything else doesn't fall within their limited range of hearing.

      •  Won't work (0+ / 0-)

         She is one of them. Therefore, when she sins, all she is required  to do is ask forgiveness, in public, and the fundies will love her even more. If she were a godless liberal, of course, she'd be on a fast track to hell.

         This meshes seamlessly with their belief that all are sinners, and only God can make it right.  

        What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Bush knew how to get out of Vietnam.

        by happy camper on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:01:03 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe if she'd talk (1+ / 0-)
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      to the press, they would.

  •  Palin deep down resents her kids (0+ / 0-)

    Behavior tells all.

  •  WTF (2+ / 0-)
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    is a baby doing on a tour of a correctional facility anyway?

    But I agree that not putting the kid in the baby seat shows a lack of good judgment. I have three kids, and while we used to hate putting them in the car seat to go down to the corner store, we did it, because the consequences of NOT doing it and getting into an accident were too great.

    OT: I am amazed by the people who allow their dogs to roam free in their laps while driving - especially on the highway.

  •  Sarah Palin's Judgment (2+ / 0-)
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    No one making decisions in the Republican Party really wants the public and press to leave the children alone.  If they did, they would send the children home, leave the daughter's boyfriend in obscurity, and stop dragging the infant child into the roar and lights.  I think it's going to set in soon, at least I hope it does, that the Palin family is this summer's hit reality show and nothing more.  They're getting this much attention because let's face it, they're a train wreck of a family and we're all waiting for the next preview.  The oldest son going into the Army to avoid jail, the oldest daughter, pregnant by the star hockey player who professes on his MySpace to not want children, the secessionist husband, the powder keg ex-brother in law. . .all we need is JR Ewing and the theme song.

    Everyone interviewed at the Republican convention claimed Sarah Palin's daughter had a right to her privacy and applauded her choice to have her baby.  Privacy and choice. . .interesting.

  •  If (0+ / 0-)

    all that is written in the abouve diary is actually true, then it does say to me that she never really gave birth to Trig and someone else is the mother.

  •  There's a picture in Time Magazine of Palin (0+ / 0-)

    holding the baby in her arms in the campaign bus, which the caption says is moving (the bus, not the baby).

    I looked at it and thought, "wow, that's irresponsible, a four month old with down's syndrome probably doesn't have great head control yet"

    I agree with folks who say that the quality of the parent is not how you judge the candidate (although, look at Reagan), on the other hand, there's a certain white-trash element to the whole Palin family that I think would tend to turn people off McCain's choice for VP in the same way that Macaca sank Allen (which is probably why Allen isn't the Republican nominee right now).

    I mean, it's a freaking picture in Time Magazine (p. 26-27; a 1 3/4 page spread) of Palin holding her baby on a moving bus. And then you think "Spears" and then you think "McCain picked Britney Spears for Veep" .. and then you think how ironic it is that McCain compared Obama to Britney Spears, and then you wonder if it was his self-knowledge about what he was lacking in his own ticket that led him to try to steal his opponent's thunder, which he mocks, but which of course he's jealous of, with such a peculiar and cynical choice...

    OK, maybe you don't think those things.

    But I do wish she'd buckle the damn baby into the damn car seat.

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