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I pose this rather obtuse question because, frankly, I thought we would all be happy, at least in a political sense, given the results of the 2008 election.  

Some things to ponder about Obama's historic win. In terms of the popular vote:

* Obama had the biggest Democratic win since LBJ in '64.

* Obama had the biggest Democratic win for a non-incumbent since FDR in '32.

* Obama had the biggest Democratic win for a non-incumbent running against a non-incumbent for the White House (i.e., an open seat) since...well, EVER.

And yet, it sure seems like people aren't very happy right now around here. Even though the man hasn't been sworn in yet.

A lot of this centers around cabinet appointments.  Suffice to say, I don't take much stock in the huffing and puffing over who gets what pick.  Obama says the change starts and ends with him, and as of right now, I have no reason to believe otherwise.  He will direct and guide the policy.

MY question is for those attacking the picks as a full out betrayal...what, in four years time in an Obama administration, will make you happy?

Because frankly? Obama will be our President for four years.  And given his historic victory, I'm betting on four more right now. Especially if the following happen in the next four years:

  1. Our economy turns around
  1. We are out of Iraq
  1. We are on the way to energy independence
  1. We have universal healthcare

Those were the four major priorities Obama set out when he ran.  I'd say the economy is paramount right now, and if in four years time he turns it around? Sorry, GOP.  Anybody you put up will be crushed.

It's time to face some reality, and rather than tear our hair out over some perceived Obama betrayal, put on the table right now from a comphrehensive policy standpoint what, exactly, will make you happy four years now.  

Because until that happens, the rest of this stuff is just window dressing.  Obama is appointing competent professionals.  Over 70% of the country agrees with his picks.  70%! Over 80% are happy with the transition so far.

Those of you in the minority...tell us what will make you happy.  

Because there are quite of few of us getting tired of seeing our guy get undercut from our friends here before he even gets started in Washington.

Originally posted to wmtriallawyer on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM PST.

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  •  Obama has assembled (376+ / 0-)
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    the largest grassroots organization ever.

    He's going to use it to secure two terms.

    But he will SEAL two terms with fufilling promises.

    Which promises are paramount? That is the question.

    •  Wow, That's Easy. Keeping Me Alive (70+ / 0-)

      Which requires that my town doesn't go bust, and I retain the partial state employee's pension and health coverage I pay for.

      That's paramount, and it is definitely in doubt.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:40:32 AM PST

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      •  Just Winning Elections DOESN'T MATTER (67+ / 0-)

        George W. Bush is suspected of winning the 2004 election as I recall.

        I noticed that wmtriallawyer left out investigating, indicting, convicting, and punishing ANY of the Bushiters, torturers, torture-memo writers, warrantless wiretappers, and other executive branch lawbreakers.

        And his moniker says s/he is a lawyer.

        Please don't forget making it LESS LIKELY that another eight years can't be PISSED AWAY SO FUCKING EASILY!!!


        The Bushiter's Iraq 2004 - 1268 Dead, about 25K Medivacs and 9000 Maimed... It's the Bushiter Way, wasting other people's money and lives. And it's worse now.

        by RedMeatDem on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:48:00 AM PST

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        •  Bush, Cheney, Romsfeld, Yoo and about (19+ / 0-)

          two dozen others, including a few, "Captains of industry" in ADX_Florence Supermax prison, for life. On Nutraloaf. For life.

          With only episodes of Barney on TV.

          Ferengi Rules of Acquisition: #34 "War is good for business...but only from a distance, the closer to the front lines, the less profitable it gets"-8.25, -6.21

          by Jacques on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:27:43 PM PST

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        •  It's sad and unfortunate that Obama (38+ / 0-)

          will have to put every bit of his efforts keeping the country solvent. That may means some nasty cutbacks and many priorities that he established may go back to way side as something as basic as HUNGER  becomes his first priority.

          Based on the Fed Action yesterday , they are pretty scared and nervous right now. We are all smart enough to now that psychology feeds a depression as well as the lousy fundamentals that he is inheriting. So frankly, if the persons he is appointing to cabinets are competent and respond will to his leadership, I have no problem because I wouldn't  wish his problems on anyone. I wouldn't even wish them on Bush becuase he would make them worst and looks like he is trying to do that as we go to the finish line.

          The people that have problems with his appointments are most likely not at a stage yet where they are worrying about where their next meal is coming from or if they  and their family will  forcibly be ejected  from their shelter to satisfy the fine people in the Hamptons who bet on misfortune

          This is the bed that Bush has made for him. He not only has to be perfect to get through it, he has to maintain his own sense of self which is most definitely not understood by the people that are arming up with rocks becuase THEIR issues aren't being addressed correctly.

          Sorry, when it comes down to to Food , Shelter and work, well it's a bitch , but  they just take precedence over anything anyone else wants from him Period.

          If you need someone to explain that to you as everything we are now seeing is exploding around us then there isn't much anyone can do to help you with your issues.

          If I were him and was seeing the destruction of the US from the inside, people's pre-collapse issues would seem pretty trivial to me right now. We wanted an intelligent leader . We got one. Now we have to let him focus becuase a lot is riding on those shoulders. If one doesn't understand what I'm talking about please do some research on basic economics and read  a history of the 1930s carefully.

          You'll see then what we may very well see now and the basic ideology at work then was repair,replace and protect.  Everything else was meaningless unless one had the creature comforts that too many in the country didn't and couldn't understand even then what all the fear was about.

          Support Col Hackworth's because tomorrow is just a promise, not a guarantee

          by Dburn on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:48:23 PM PST

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          •  Wrong mindset (19+ / 0-)

            We are not talking cutbacks, we are talking stimulus.  

            You've bought into the right-wing talking point that we can't spend money on real, worthwhile stuff because they've spent it all on a stupid war.  

            We need to reeducate the public.

            There may be no such thing as a free lunch, so make sure the guy who can afford it picks up the tab.

            by liberalpercy on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:56:17 PM PST

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            •  We need both (5+ / 0-)

              and Obama has said as much. It's where and when the cuts take place that is up for debate. And, frankly, I have confidence that he'll do the right thing.

              "I can't come to bed yet! Someone is WRONG on the Internet!" - XKCD

              by SingularExistence on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:13:57 PM PST

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            •  I don't deem a pick guilty until proven innocent. (8+ / 0-)

              It's like Obama has said from the beginning, he's the one leading. He's picking people who will provide valuable input, but he is the one who will ultimately tell them what he wants done.

              I'd rather have somebody who understands Monsanto's power and knows how to whittle around its edges than somebody who doesn't realize how sinister and evil it is.

              I'll withhold my judgment until Vilsack starts screwing up.

              •  Obama can't micromanage the Imperium... (2+ / 0-)
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                so his choices will wield enormous influence.  

                Are all Senators "Larry Craigs" for American corporations? Tap, tap, tappin' away...

                by PhotogHog on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:39:34 PM PST

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                •  but the neocons and Republicans are happy! (1+ / 0-)
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                  I must admit that, like most progressives and antiwar activists in the coalition that played a crucial role in the victory of President-elect Barack Obama, I have been greatly disappointed with his national security team (NST). Gone are all the hopeful signs of real change in the American foreign policy that we saw – as it now appears self-deludedly – coming with the election of Obama. Instead, we must confront the cold – but by now very familiar – reality that the main players in U.S. foreign policy for several years to come will be people we have disagreed with very strongly, even despised, over the years.

                  There is not even one progressive or antiwar voice with principled positions in Obama's NST to counter all the pro-war people he has picked.

                  Rest of the article here.


                  by dancewater on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 06:05:00 PM PST

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              •  remember, all these people have track (3+ / 0-)

                records. I find Vilsack's and Rick Warren's, for instance, profoundly disturbing.

                Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

                by alizard on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:18:41 PM PST

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                •  What is Rick Warren doing (4+ / 0-)
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                  besides saying a prayer? Really, we need to learn how to prioritize things.

                  Rich Warren saying the invocation is nothing. Less than nothing. If he starts showing up at the White House every week, THEN we can start getting pissed off.

                •  I once found Robert Byrd's track record (0+ / 0-)

                  profoundly disturbing, too. Now I consider him one of the most extraordinary senators we've ever had. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm willing to give people a chance to rise to the occasion in ways they have not yet demonstrated. The key here is going to be Obama's leadership and how he plays the different cabinet members off of each other to help him make the best decisions on where we need to go.

                  Psychotherapists talk about something called "resistance" on the part of people they treat. Yeah, it's an old hangover from Freud, but it's a true phenomenon. Sometimes you have to hang back some and nibble around the edges of things instead of hitting people over the head with it too obviously--because then they'll dig in their heels and refuse to budge. Corporations do this kind of thing, too. So do evangelical groups. So do groups of progressives! We all do.

                  I don't think Obama is making these picks because he's tricking us or letting us down, but I do think he understands a thing or two about resistance. At least for now, I'm trusting his vision.

              •  And I'd rather have somebody (2+ / 0-)
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                who knows how things get done in Washington AND is admired by corporate types, who can get them to actually LISTEN for a change.

                If they don't listen to you, or believe you, you can't get anything done.

                •  Isn't this leaving out an important factor? (1+ / 0-)
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                  It matters--and matters profoundly--what the person in question wants to get done.

                  Do they want progressive change or do they want more giveaways to agribusiness and more unnecessary wars of choice (though this time run more competently)?

                  All this talk about "experience" and corporate influence seems precisely designed to sidestep the key question: what are the policies that these people (including Obama) support?

                  And all signs are that they are the same "centrist", corporate, militarist policies that we had in the 1990s. Better than the last eight years, but that's about all that can be said for them.

                  In theory, mmacdDe, I totally agree with you: if I were trying to enact a socialist platform, I'd make sure that all my cabinet members looked and sounded like Republicans.  But that's not what's going on here.

                  This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

                  by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 10:42:33 PM PST

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            •  JHC, I'm tired of hearing about talking points (2+ / 0-)

              You've bought into the right-wing talking point that we can't spend money on real, worthwhile stuff because they've spent it all on a stupid war.  

              If you are not in agreement with the majority, you have bought into the rightwing talking points or
              are a troll or a rethug.

              Hey wise guy, where is he going to get the money for this stimulus as the countries we borrow from see their economies starting to implode.  Chances are they may start dumping treasuries if it gets worse instead of buying them. Right now the luck of the Gods as hit Bernake with the Govt able to borrow at zero and everyone willing to give there money becuase they perceive it's safer here.

              That's just a temporary run of luck. Don't get too fricking secure. I'm not talking about balancing
              the budget. Oh hell no. But if 150 Billion didn't stimulate this economy before things REALLY Got bad, why in the hell do people think 600 billion or even a trillion will do it?

              Then when you arrive at the real number and the kind of debt we would have to take on, you realize this ain't no right wing talking point. The people who are starving right now, who can't get access to health care who are losing their homes at the rate of 2700 a day haven't bought into the right wing talking points. They haven't bought into the left wing priorities either. The could care less. They are sick, hungry and broke and are wondering WTF are we going to do about it. Not for 30 days or 4 months, but what is the plan to help them now and make sure it sticks.

              This isn't a minor legislative priority problem that can be quickly sorted out by progressives. Anyone who thinks it is, is not worried about money right now.

              His big problem is this growing mass of people who have lost everything and 10s of millions more just barely hanging on and the power classes who have bet big money on them losing their grip. . 600 Billion won't do shit.  We have jumped the shark on debt. We'll never be able to pay it back. That's why everyone is talking about these big numbers. It's the classic if I owe 200 grand I can't pay what's another $1000 on a much larger scale.

              At some point interest will reverse and any sort term stimulus that can be used will have the same effect the 150 billion did. Make it ok for 30 days or so, then right back on the road to hell as our interest costs overwhelm everything else.

              Just becuase some Very Important People on the the side of the Dems say this is what needs to be done, doesn't mean they are any more correct than the Very Important People on the right who were wrong for 8 years.

              That's why he is pulling a cabinet in that will satisfy no one except us pragmatists who understand that whatever solution he tries, he is going to need all the support he can muster to overcome the weak spines in congress and the inertia that has set in which turns into panicky acts of stupidity like  T.A.R.P. , which makes his choices to keep the country afloat and together narrower and narrower.

              You go right ahead though and comfort yourself with the idea that you know more and people like me are just a bunch of right-wing hacks or haven't drunk the site Kool-aid. Because it doesn't matter what kind of work you are in, we are all vulnerable.

              Although  there are many  that see reality through unproven theory as in if only "FDR had done this" Or FDR fucked up here. FDR was a pragmatist.
              What? You think he was an idiot and didn't think of some of these things?. He got through what he could get through. That's reality.

              It's not an unproven theory because we see our brave congress people in action everyday doing everything but the right thing. Did anyone really think that having a popular President in on the same team was going to change anything for the better with a snap of his fingers?

              He understands what he is up against even though many here doesn't. People here think they have been betrayed. Let me know how you think when you are broke Hungry and have sick kids and can only window shop at the clinic because you earned 33 cents too much last year even though you have been down for 8 months of this year.

              Let me know what you think when the laws are loosened and you can get in but the clinic closes for lack of Drs, supplies and money as your child screams in pain.  

              That's the kind of reality I'm talking about. I have no clue what you are talking about and I don't think you do either.

              Support Col Hackworth's because tomorrow is just a promise, not a guarantee

              by Dburn on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 08:03:45 PM PST

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            •  We can't spend as much as everybody thinks (0+ / 0-)

              I keep harping on this, but few so far are listening.

              Our government is essentially bankrupt.  Out of fear and long habit, the market has crowded into T-bills and notes, thinking that these are risk-free investments,  making interest rates cheaper for the Treasury than they have ever been. IT CAN ONLY GO DOWNHILL FROM HERE.

              At some point, foreign governments and investors will realize that there is only two ways out of the situation Uncle Sam finds himself in:  Default, or massive inflation.  My bet is on the latter.

              The dollar is already dropping against the Euro and the Japanese yen.  Not all investors are stupid.

              The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

              by MadScientist on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 06:33:45 AM PST

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          •  FDR's 3 R's (16+ / 0-)

            Relief, Recovery, and Reform. We need all three. I would say that part of the Reform would be prosecuting Bush illegalities. If that does not happen then I have no hope for the other two. I am willing to give him a chance however, and these appointments mean nothing until we see the policies in action.

            •  Revenge is not going to help (0+ / 0-)

              get out us out of debt so we have the resources to rebuild. These short term stimulus packages do nothing but push us farther down the hole. Neither will prosecuting Bush when Obama is trying to save the country.

              But I know a wide swath of people on this site don't think the laws of economics apply to them , hence ridiculous statements like prosecuting Bush as the country is sliding off the cliff as a necessity. It's only a luxury that people who feel worry free can shout about. Bush is safe. He knows it. So does his people.

              There are however a few hundred million Americans that may hate the guy but want all the realists thoughts turned towards bringing the country together. Prosecuting Bush would have the exact opposite affect.

              History will have to take care of that , provided we survive.

              Support Col Hackworth's because tomorrow is just a promise, not a guarantee

              by Dburn on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:54:22 AM PST

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          •  Dburn, (1+ / 0-)
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            Thank you. As someone who was just laid off, in two months my severence pay and health care runs out.

            I have worked hard all my life and have never been placed in such a situation. As I wrote here before, my hubby is also chronically ill.

            I have also never been so scared out of my wits about what happens in two months. The job market is dismal across the country, but in this town, the outlook is even worse.

            Imagine that.

        •  he left that out (7+ / 0-)

          because Obama never promised to do it, and least not that I recall.

          This country does not have the luxury to entertain idiocy as if it is reasonable. --Digby

          by Thought Crime on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:53:23 PM PST

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          •  During his speech in Missoula, MT, he (5+ / 0-)

            specifically said that his administration would base any potential prosecution on whether facts showed law-breaking activity.

            Not verbatim, from memory.

            If he used weasel words so that it would SOUND as if he planned to investigate and, if warranted, prosecute, well, fuck it. That would definitely warrant a loss of faith on my part.

            I sure wish my government gave me as much privacy as they demand I give them.

            by Daddy Bartholomew on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:30:09 PM PST

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            •  As far as I understand it (3+ / 0-)
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              there are real plans in place to start the process of making clear what exactly the Bush WH did, it is to be a drawn out process (a few years) in order to take the edge off of the era and allow Obama to focus on the economy/Iraq. But coming out of the end of his first term the plan is to have exposed evidence that could then lead to prosecution. Frankly, I don't see how people expect an already reeling nation to demand prosecution against a President (contrary to what some would like to think, the office does carry a large degree of legal shelter, not invincible though). You need to make the case for such a trial clear before calling for it, and I am hoping that is what they go through with.

              •  Look... You Are Paying the Lawyers Anyway (1+ / 0-)
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                So USE THEM!

                Frankly, if I were Obama, I'd bring in a few dozen Wall Street Weasels one at a time and tell them just how many DOJ lawyers, FBI and SEC investigators, and forensic accountants were going to be UP THEIR BUTTS until they made restitution.

                A big public works project to build a new prison for all the Bush criminals would put people back to work!!!


                The Bushiter's Iraq 2004 - 1268 Dead, about 25K Medivacs and 9000 Maimed... It's the Bushiter Way, wasting other people's money and lives. And it's worse now.

                by RedMeatDem on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:37:25 PM PST

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                •  So you want revenge (2+ / 0-)
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                  which is fine. But I doubt Obama does. Nor do I, for that matter.

                  This is not the time for retribution. That can come later, AFTER the country is back on its feet.

                  Pick your battles. I, for one, would like Obama to pick healthcare and the economy as the initial focus of the battle.

                  Bush and his cronies can wait. I'm not sure what the statute of limitations is on any crimes, but I think we have a few years.

                  •  If I Just Wanted Revenge - No Warning! (0+ / 0-)

                    The whole purpose of bringing them in would be to encourage cooperation when I jacked their taxes up to the moon.

                    To encourage cooperation when their corporate immunity is removed.

                    To encourage cooperation when their corporations are allowed to go bankrupt.

                    Get it? Don't tell me you've never heard of a prosecutor who offered a deal to get a confession and a lighter sentence?  


                    The Bushiter's Iraq 2004 - 1268 Dead, about 25K Medivacs and 9000 Maimed... It's the Bushiter Way, wasting other people's money and lives. And it's worse now.

                    by RedMeatDem on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:15:29 AM PST

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        •  Bush cheated (1+ / 0-)
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          Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

          by DiAnne on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:32:29 PM PST

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          •  To Quote Bush, "So What?" (3+ / 0-)
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            If we don't make our "So Here's What" reply meaningful...

            If Bush and Cheney stroll away free then the cancer will continue to spread.  

            If there are no PRISON TERMS for LOTS of these CROOKS, the 'So What' crowd wins!


            The Bushiter's Iraq 2004 - 1268 Dead, about 25K Medivacs and 9000 Maimed... It's the Bushiter Way, wasting other people's money and lives. And it's worse now.

            by RedMeatDem on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:42:51 PM PST

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        •  Doesn't matter? (0+ / 0-)

          You can say it's not enough to win elections. You can say that more is needed.


          I do think it kinda matters...

          you know??

          An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

          by rini6 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:56:21 PM PST

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          •  It Only Matters If You Actually Change Things (3+ / 0-)
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            If we are going to leave the core corruption in place then it might as well have been McCain.


            The Bushiter's Iraq 2004 - 1268 Dead, about 25K Medivacs and 9000 Maimed... It's the Bushiter Way, wasting other people's money and lives. And it's worse now.

            by RedMeatDem on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:39:18 PM PST

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            •  Listen, at least we may not be changing (0+ / 0-)

              for the worse.

              That's what has happened over the past eight years.

              And there is a slight hope that things will be a little better.

              Obviously, there are problems and we have to be realistic.

              Still, have a little


              An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

              by rini6 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:24:09 PM PST

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              •  Hope without organization and action = failure (1+ / 0-)
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                I see it as my job as a citizen to be informed, and voice my opinions and concerns in order to help Obama do what he has set out to do.  Take Ag Secretary for example. Do we not all agree that agribusiness has been pressuring Obama regarding his choice?  If we don't organize and pressure and, yes, criticize, how is he to respond to the organized corporate voice on the other side?  It is our job to do this and I offer absolutely no apology here for doing what Obama himself asked us to do once he is in office.  

        •  And "If the following" DOESN'T happen??? (0+ / 0-)

          Can we retroactively take all the apologist diaries off the rec list?

          Of course it won't matter then.  It will be too late.  

        •  actually, George Bush didn't (0+ / 0-)

          win that one either, Kerry stopped the recount.

      •  I hear ya. (13+ / 0-)

        Bad enough I've got furloughs in my local government job.

        Worse come the next fiscal year if the budget hole gets blown apart.

    •  I'm not UNhappy (26+ / 0-)

      I'm just not expecting a particularly progressive administration.  Much like the Clinton era - I expect things will get much better but that we won't feel a lot of lasting impact.  I expect this to be much more Clinton than Roosevelt.  

      And as far as the two-terms thing, if the economy is good in 2012 he'll be re-elected.  That's pretty much how it works.

      I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. - President Elect Barack Obama

      by ThirstyGator on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:14:31 PM PST

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      •  We need to get back to a place of safety (8+ / 0-)

        after 8 years teetering on the cliff of right-wing insanity. And it's a sign of how crazy the right-wing pundits are when they look at a moderate like Obama and call him "batshit liberal".

        It's easier to move to a more progressive administration when you're starting from the center than it is from the far right -- incremental changes will be less of a shock to the American voters' system, and will hopefully avoid a potential backlash.

        My only must haves would be getting out of Iraq and universal health care; both of those would go a long way to helping the economy as we wouldn't be pouring trillions of tax dollars into the desert sinkhole, and universal health care would enable US businesses to be more competitive in a global economy.

        "Once you choose hope, anything's possible." ~Christopher Reeve

        by Cali Scribe on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:33:01 PM PST

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      •  What is a "Progressive" administration? (10+ / 0-)

        What issues a "Progressive" is expecting and he/she thinks may not be getting from him?

        Is it ending the war in Iraq?
        Is it affordable health care for all?
        Is it energy independence?
        Is it jobs?
        Is it a healthy economy?
        Is it a good education?  Or affordable education for all?

        Because if it is all of these, then what has he said or done that may convince you otherwise?  I'm really curious, please elaborate.

        •  he'll be ... (4+ / 0-)
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          about as progressive as Clinton was.  The Clinton years were generally good ones, but fairly centrist.  That's all I'm saying.  Time will tell, but the appointments he's made haven't exactly been leftist.

          I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. - President Elect Barack Obama

          by ThirstyGator on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:51:21 PM PST

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          •  Well how do YOU know? (7+ / 0-)

            How do you know that he'll be as "progressive" as Clinton?  In the items that I listed, what's not progressive or lacks a progressive vision?

            Appointments don't mean stuff.  Clinton had plenty of progressives in his cabinet (e.g. Secretary of Labor) but in the end, he passed NAFTA.  So what does it tell you?

            •  neither you nor I "know" anything at this point (6+ / 0-)

              But my guess is as good as yours, and as I said above, time will tell.  I hope I'm wrong.

              I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. - President Elect Barack Obama

              by ThirstyGator on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:05:36 PM PST

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            •  Not exactly a reassuing point (2+ / 0-)
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              Clinton at least appointed Robert Reich and was still fairly Republican.  Obama hasn't even done that.

            •  Some of the items you listed are progressive. (2+ / 0-)

              But some of them aren't going to happen.

              He'll probably bring our troops home from Iraq. But he's promised to escalate the war on Afghanistan. A progressive foreign policy would make the military dramatically less important, not ramp up one war while dialing down another.

              Even if he passes his health-care plan, he'll get nowhere near universal access to health care.  Obama's plan is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We need single payer and that's off the table.

              Nothing Obama has proposed would create affordable education for all.

              And though he'll be dramatically better than Bush on the environment and energy, that, unfortunately, cannot be the measure of success in a world facing disastrous global warming and peak oil.

              My sense that Obama will be about as progressive as Clinton are based on the promises he made and his cabinet appointments, all of which point in the same direction. There's no betrayal here. The progressive Barack Obama has always been a fantasy.  

              This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

              by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 10:53:17 PM PST

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            •  Clinton talked progressive (2+ / 0-)

              He campaigned progressive, but had no intention of governing progressive. Neoliberals far outnumbered progressives in Clinton's circle, and when it became clear to those bona fide progressives in the Clinton administration what they were in for, they left. I remember the eminent health care economist Henry Aaron resigning from Hillary's health care commission when it became clear to him that Clinton was determined to foist upon the American people an unworkable system designed more, or less to do the least amount of offense possible to the private insurance industry. Robert Reich resigned in 1996 after the welfare reform debacle, it was clear to any progressive at that point that they were in the Clinton administration for cosmetic purposes only. God help us if the Obama administration is a redux.

          •  Actually ThirstyGator, I disagree, (8+ / 0-)

            because Obama is from a different generation of politics, he's not fearful and in fact, dismissive, of the Boomer wars that divides and calcifies.

          •  I disagree (5+ / 0-)

            I would be surprised to see an Obama administration take the same approach to social welfare, for example, as the Clintons did.

            Additionally, Obama has made it pretty clear that he wants to launch a massive effort towards energy independence and sustainable energy.  I don't recall much of any serious effort from Clinton on that front.

            Clinton's presidency was during a time of GOP ascendance and Democratic decline/stagnation.  Clinton ran his operation accordingly.  He had to cope with a Republican congress and a shifting Overton Window among the voting public.  Obama's circumstances are just the opposite.  The GOP is in decline and congress should be pretty friendly, not to mention the public's attitudinal shift as a result of the utter failure of GOP economic policy.  I see no reason why Obama can't pursue his policy objectives (and they are pretty damn good) with gusto.  He's in a very good position to do so.  

            "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi

            by Triscula on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:10:00 PM PST

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            •  I Don't Buy The "Devil Made Me Do It" View... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...of the Clinton years.

              Clinton was elected with a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. He chose to prioritize budget balancing and NAFTA rather than health care.  

              Yes welfare "reform" happened when the GOP had gained control of Congress. But Clinton had promised to "end welfare as we know it"; this was hardly forced on him.

              And the spree of financial deregulation was a strictly bipartisan affair: cheered on by Clinton's Wall Street friendly economic and Phil Gramm.

              I'm not sure what it would mean for Obama to take the same approach to social welfare as Clinton.  Obama has inherited Clinton's approach. Clinton destroyed our modest social safety net, so Obama doesn't have to. Obama has certainly not promised to restore welfare as we knew it.  But I'll grant you one thing: the major unfinished piece of Clinton's assault on the legacy of FDR was his abortive attempt to privatize Social Security. And I don't think Obama will try to do that.

              As for energy independence: let's see what Obama accomplish.  I'll certainly grant that Clinton did next to nothing in this area and that Obama is, at least, speaking about it.  But there's a big difference between seriously trying for sustainable energy and doling out pork to special interests (whenever you hear "ethanol" or "clean coal," it's usually the latter). But I'm willing to see what Obama does in this area.

              In general though I guess I just don't think that Obama's policy objectives are "pretty damn good." They're significantly less awful than McCain's policy objectives, and that was enough to attract my money and my vote.  But the election is over, and now we have to judge this lesser evil on the merits.

              This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

              by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:08:54 PM PST

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        •  One more "progressive" issue. (3+ / 0-)
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          What issues a "Progressive" is expecting and he/she thinks may not be getting from him?

          Is it ending the war in Iraq?
          Is it affordable health care for all?
          Is it energy independence?
          Is it jobs?
          Is it a healthy economy?
          Is it a good education?  Or affordable education for all?

          Because if it is all of these, then what has he said or done that may convince you otherwise?  I'm really curious, please elaborate.

          Bringing back the rule of law. Holding criminals accountable for their crimes: thefts of grand proportions, torture, murder. Is that a "progressive" issue for you? It is for me.

          Climate change is a hoax. Ocean levels are rising because Jesus is crying.

          by DixieDishrag on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 06:32:39 PM PST

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          •  Holding criminals accountable (0+ / 0-)

            means you have proof, at least enough proof to convince a grand jury to indict.

            I would love to see that, but I don't know that it's there.

            I would like to see some banking/investment company regulations. Some strict limits on interest rates, tied to the prime rate. Healthcare. More help for the states, more money to education at all levels.

            Get us back on our feet, rebuild our reputation abroad. Then we can worry about bringing Bush and his cronies to trial.

            •  I get that. (1+ / 0-)
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              Holding criminals accountable means you have proof, at least enough proof to convince a grand jury to indict.

              I would love to see that, but I don't know that it's there.

              And we will never know if it's there unless there's an investigation.

              Climate change is a hoax. Ocean levels are rising because Jesus is crying.

              by DixieDishrag on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 10:56:44 PM PST

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              •  Oh, we have to investigate (0+ / 0-)

                I think that's a given. But an investigation may not lead to any high level convictions, because you really don't want to have a trial at that level unless the evidence is overwhelming.

                But the investigation itself may lead to changes in policy and law. That would be good enough for me.

          •  Certainly a progressive issue. (1+ / 0-)
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            But it's far from clear that Obama is on the same side of these issues as you are.

            This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

            by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:09:53 PM PST

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      •  When Clinton didn't go after Bush41, it told me (7+ / 0-)

        much about what kind of spine, or lack of, that Clinton had.  Bush/cheney have committed much worse, and if the President doesn't punish them, and rather  enables, then it will be a MAJOR disappointment for this country and the world.

        When power leads man toward arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. JFK

        by yowsta on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:17:16 PM PST

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        •  Do you really believe, at a time when the country (7+ / 0-)

          is in a crisis, that punishing Bush and Cheney and their thugs should be paramount for Obama and the Democratic Congress?  Not only would it generate even more bad blood and divide the country further, it could also tie up Congress for years.  No one denies these people deserve prosecution, but would it really be productive to go after that at this point in time?  We need to move forward in rebuilding our entire country; that should be the priority.

          •  Thanks for your concern. (16+ / 0-)

            Now can I have my constitution back?

            If we won't prosecute war crimes, how is this still America?  

            The more you drink, the funnier I get.

            by Nada Lemming on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:39:52 PM PST

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          •  YES!!! (14+ / 0-)

            It requires nothing but an independent prosecutor, and a department of Justice that believes in, well, Justice.


            Without this, the same gang of criminals, whom we let go for the first time in Watergate, who returned to their crimes in Iran/Contra, whom we let go AGAIN, and who have returned to commit their crimes for a third time, will simply come back even stronger and more brazenly again in four years, because we will have toaught them that the law means nothing-- it is merely a tool used by Republicans to punish their political enemies.

            YES!!! We must investigate, try, convict, and punish to the utmost extent of the law all of those who have exploited, ruined, pillaged, and subverted our Republic over the past (thirty-)eight years.

            So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

            by khereva on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:43:41 PM PST

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          •  no, i don't. not exactly. (7+ / 0-)

            it shouldn't be the type of priority the economy and health care and the environment should be.

            but justice matters. something needs to be done about the abuse those thugs perpetrated on the country and on innocent people.  i can feel in myself a loss of willingness to maintain the social contract because i am getting more and more the impression that if you're a big enough, powerful enough thug, you will walk away free, clear, and rich to boot, while if you work hard and are scrupulously honest, you'll get screwed and nobody will give a fuck.

            i can't be alone in feeling that way.  and trust me, eroding the social contract is a really terrible idea in the long run.  people get distracted by fanciful circus for quite a while, but sooner or later something will break.

            ergo, i think it is necessary to go after bush/cheney/rove etc.  maybe not now.  in fact it might be advantageous to let them think they're getting away with it.  after they're out of office, a lot more people will talk.  i'll wait and see.  however, i do want to see obama do something about it.  maybe in his second term.  but it must happen.

          •  Yeah, I think so. (6+ / 0-)

            For one thing, there's the power of precedence: Obama won't be president for ever, and neither will any Democrat.

            When Republicans return to power, they'll cite Bush's wide-ranging "executive authority" as a precedent for expanding even further the notion of an executive branch that doesn't have to submit to subpoenas or any form of oversight... and will engage in even more egregious behavior.

            If it hadn't have been for Nixon's pardon, we wouldn't have had Reagan's Iran/Contra... which also got a pass from the next administration.  If it hadn't have been for Iran/Contra, Bush/Cheney wouldn't have been as emboldened as they were.  It's got to stop somewhere, and there's never a better time than now.

            Otherwise, let an administration be as lawless as it likes, and as long as it screws things up badly enough to precipitate a crisis, it's going to be let off the hook?

            Now the real work begins.

            by Malacandra on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:12:14 PM PST

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          •  Yes, I believe we need to go after them (2+ / 0-)
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            and it will be part of moving forward and rebuilding our country starting from the constitution and ending with both our economic and national security. The past 8 years have left us vulnerable to all that is happening now and if we don't address it, examine it and seek justice, then we'll be doomed to repeat it or never make any substantial progress in the long-term. Short-term solutions and bandaids can't keep our democracy together anymore.

            "There are some things I don't understand. I don't understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11." - Next POTUS Obama

            by Cleopatra on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:31:54 PM PST

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          •  the war crimes and (2+ / 0-)
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            other illegal activities of the Bush Administration were generally committed or supervised by people that got a free pass for illegal acts committed during the Reagan and Bush I Administrations.

            They got their free passes based on the same kind of recommendations you are giving now.

            Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

            by alizard on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:38:32 PM PST

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          •  Why would criminal prosecutions (1+ / 0-)
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            tie up the Obama administration, or Congress? I expect Obama's DOJ to pursue thousands of criminal and civil prosecutions simultaneously, it's what they do. Why would prosecuting political actors be any different? The fact is that there are no penalties for what Bush and his surrogates have done. They realized long ago that they could perpetuate any policy, by whatever means, legal, or illegal, and suffer no consequence for it. And because of this, you can be sure that the next Republican administration will continue to push the envelope. What we've seen for the last 30-years from conservatives in this country is a continuous effort to push the parameters on acceptable actions, the very definition of what constitutes the norm within American governance is at stake. This is the path to fascism. Without a push back in the form of a return to the strict rule of law we will continue to see behavior that is more and more fascist in appearance, and substance. Unless the next batch of Federalist Society kooks fears a ferocious response to their unconstitutional and illegal machinations they will continue to plot and implement their policies without fear for their careers, or their liberty.  

          •  What are you drinking? And thinking? Do (1+ / 0-)
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            you really believe that "Bush and Cheney and their thugs" as you say should get off because it will generate bad blood and divide the country further???"  What the fuck kind of country do you want?  A criminal, war cabal of freaking sadists?  You can't move forward by obliterating the criminal past, can you?  You definitely need some more kool aid.

            When power leads man toward arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. JFK

            by yowsta on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:34:31 PM PST

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      •  there's no way Obama can govern (1+ / 0-)
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        as a "centrist" and wind up with a good economy in 2012.

        "Centrist" = "the purpose of the government is to facilitate the upwards transfer of wealth to the Richistani from everyone else", and that's true whether the "centrist" is GOP or DLC-DINO. The difference between the two is rhetoric and attempts to pick up different demographics, not in substance.

        If his stimulus programs are intended to make sure the financial speculators who blew up the economy get to keep their profits and to make sure that various members of the wealthy get profitable contracts, it will utterly fail.

        While this means a Second Great Depression and that he'll not only be a one-term President, and that he'll take over Bush's slot as the worst President in history, but he'll have wasted America's very last chance to escape Third World failed state status, after Four More Years of wasting what's left of America's line of credit on making the Richistani richer, America will have no more resources left for another try at getting things right.

        Probably just as well, because most of us will be too busy trying to survive at the most minimal level to have time for politics by then.

        So I'd really rather Obama at least try to get some progressive things done. That's why I voted for him. If I wanted Four More Years of Bush and to have Sarah Palin's minister (Rick Warren, and how did you guess?) perform the invocation at the next inauguration, I would have voted Palin-McCain.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:33:26 PM PST

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      •  Define progressive (0+ / 0-)

        That's the key. What's progressive here would be totally off the charts for most people.

        Most people would be happy if Obama put some strict banking regulations in place, enacted serious healthcare reforms, and got us out of Iraq.

        Anything else would be gravy.

    •  Great Diary! (this from Mr. 2 Days on Kos!) (50+ / 0-)

      And I think you and I are thinking on parallel paths.  Earlier today I posted a comment to the point of

      "Given the supremem cock-up that is the Bush Administration, and the fact that the Obama Administration is inheriting this mess, I am more willing to judge Obama's first term on how much of the Bush Agenda he dismantles than how much of the progressive agenda he moves forward."

      Just "IMHO."

      I'm a Kos Noob. Please don't hit me. Not the face!

      by EthanPeretz on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:19:38 PM PST

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    •  Can Obama micromanage (41+ / 0-)

      every department?  Really?  Make every policy decision?

      Of course his picks matter.  You're parrotting of his statement that he is the change shows a lack of critcial analysis.

      The real question is how much they matter.

      I take a middle ground.  I don't like some appointments, and believe they mean some policies will not be good for progressives, because cabinet members will make policy.  On the other hand, I think soem policies will be good, partly from appointment and partly from Obama.

      The centrist cabinet choices are what they are.  

      I'm more worried about EFCA, the stimulus, etc.

      "What we've seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed." -- Barack Obama

      by TomP on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:21:31 PM PST

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    •  Criminal Bush got an eight-year pass from... (7+ / 0-)

      ...our Dem "leaders."

      Mr. Obama doesn't take over to try and clean up this mess for another month.

      Can't the "worry-warts" at least give him a year in office?  The man is brilliant, savy and shrewd.  In other words, he knows exactly what he's doing in order to carry out his historic mandate.

      If, after his first year in office, some still feel disappointed, let them point to actual policy decisions he has made in order to make their case.

      Until then, let's give him the benefit of the doubt.  I think he has earned that, at least.

    •  Providing peace and economic prosperity (21+ / 0-)

      To all Americans.

      Which requires:

      -Full employment and an end to poverty
      -Guaranteed health care provided without regard to ability to pay
      -Peace (i.e. no more wars)
      -Energy independence
      -Slow or stop global warming or have plans to deal with its effects
      -Secure, sustainable, and healthy food supply.

      Yeah, I want it all.

      That's why we're in politics.

      We're not here to elect people. We're not here to praise Obama. Those are means to an end.

      So you're goddamned right it takes a lot to make me happy. In case you haven't looked around lately, this country is broken. Hope and optimism are good but I will not rest, I will not be happy, until we have solved the problems

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:35:05 PM PST

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      •  If we don't set the bar high...who will? (9+ / 0-)

        And how we know they'd be setting it in our best interest.

        If this is people powered politics, then ya gotta let folks criticize when they feel its warranted.

        "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

        by grannyhelen on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:53:22 PM PST

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        •  Right (0+ / 0-)

          But most of the criticisms are UNwarranted. People criticize Vilsack without knowing his record. People criticize Salazar while not knowing his record on National lands (which is very good). He was THE biggest opponent of oil shale leases and of drilling on the Roan plateau. People criticize Obama for urging more forces in Afghanistan, but that is EXACTLY what he said he would do. People criticize him for picking Hillary when she is a bright, capable woman who agrees with him on most foreign policy issues. You SHOULD speak up, but it is better to say nothing and have people think you an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
          (Sorry, I am not saying people on here are idiots, it is just an expression.)

          •  But that is what people powered politics is... (3+ / 0-)
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            folks get to say what they think, with whatever background they have. Then we talk, and argue it out, and everyone learns.

            But, when threads are full of STFU's and SYFPH's and "you don't know anything you ignoramus", and "people are idiots" that stifles debate and is against what people powered politics is supposed to be.

            "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

            by grannyhelen on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:56:43 PM PST

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      •  Good list eugene. (3+ / 0-)
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        And I don't see a sufficiently ambitious start on these directions yet, although, I realize he's moving faster than most.  But we have a long way to go.

        With regard to  

        Especially if the following happen in the next four years:

        Our economy turns around
        We are out of Iraq
        We are on the way to energy independence
        We have universal healthcare
        Those were the four major priorities Obama set out when he ran.  I'd say the economy is paramount right now, and if in four years time he turns it around? Sorry, GOP.  Anybody you put up will be crushed.

        1. We'd expect a normal business cycle to turn around on it's own in less than two years, however, this seems much worse and may be getting worse for another two years.  We need some solutions a lot better thought out than what we've seen so far, which is sort of desparate and looks like shooting from the hip and throwing money at things.
        1. I voted for Obama over HRC due to his courageous Iraq War stance, however, so far, the Iraqi's are demanding we get out within about 2 years.  But, Obama is saying he will redeploy the troops into Afhganistan.  It remains to be seen, what voters will think of his foreign policy acumen in 4 years.  I'm hopeful, but it's too early to be celebrating yet, IMO.  
        1. In what ways has Obama accelerated our path to energy independence.  The changes so for, are normal free market responses to the volitility of oil prices.  You could just as easily give Bush credit for these, but he wouldn't really deserve this credit any more than Obama.
        1. Obama's health care plan, as presented so far, is a fairly weak extension of existing insurance based plans, and is no way universal, and is only progressive by degree compared to nothing at all.  I'm hoping when folks see the burden our big 3 faces compared with Japan (that's Obama's plan does nothing to amerlorate) they will become more receptive to more progressive and more ambitious  alternatives.  But, back to reality, have we not heard a few quite trail ballons that maybe health care reform will now have to wait while we address the economics problems.  What actually happens here will be on of the top two or three issues that make or break Obama's credibility.  

        After the FISA betrayal, silly pandering statements at AIPAC, which he did withdraw, support for the seperate but equal,  civil unions only position rather than full equal rights, and some of these cabinet appointments etc, many are concerned if he is going to turn out to be more of a  Machiavellian triangulator than a progressive.  Which, I grant is what many here seem to be actually hoping for.

        Before the election, we united and put this concerns on the back burner, and I even argued for his civil unions only position, in what I'll be the first to admit was a hypocritical  Machiavellian move on my part.  I wanted to win this election so bad, I felt it was the prudent move.

        But, I promised many if we won, I would try to return to more principled progressive roots.  I'm patient, and believe we can graciously wait until the inauguration before getting intense about it.  

        But pie in the sky nostrums, aren't going to be sufficient.    

        Some of us are going to be asking "Where's the beef."

        But, in the nicest possible way, as we are loyal Democrats who want what best for the Party and the people of America and the world.  And believe a progressive path is our best hope.  But, it's clear we have a lot of work cut out for us to convert Obama and even more for many of his most ardent supporters.  

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:47:27 PM PST

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    •  i like your four (4+ / 0-)

      i would like to see, additionally, him fixing the tax structure to be more progressive.

      it wouldn't be such a big deal if ceos and the like get 250 million pay packages if 90% of those earnings are taxed!

      this, of course, is probably a subset of #1 on your list, but i think it specifically is important

    •  Great suggestion (4+ / 0-)
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      It's time to face some reality, and rather than tear our hair out over some perceived Obama betrayal, put on the table right now from a comphrehensive policy standpoint what, exactly, will make you happy four years now.

      Yep. Great suggestion.

      Unfortunately there will be some that don't want to wait and see. Each appointment that doesn't live up will be another slight.

      I admit that I have always taken the wait and see approach with this. While some appointments would not have been my choices and even a couple disappointing ones, I much rather wait and see the Obama Administration implement his policies to start making judgments.

      To be honest, I am very, very excited to see the Obama economic package get passed, and am also excited to see what health care package gets through.

      In general, I drank the Kool-Aid and am breathlessly awaiting for the real action to start. heh-heh


      McCain: US economic woes 'psychological'

      by DAVE DIAL on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:00:37 PM PST

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    •  I want a pony n/t (4+ / 0-)
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    •  reforming washington (3+ / 0-)
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      that's a supremely important goal, without which the others either don't get done, or get done in such fashion as to screw those of us outside the beltway.

      obama talked a lot about that in the campaign, but it's hard to see how it gets done with the line-up he's got.

      remember change doesn't come FROM washington, it comes TO washington? good line. but looking at the cabinet, it looks like he's recruiting lots of people from washington and the beltway groupthink crowd to do this changing, so it seems like it was just a line to reframe his slight experience in DC.

      now, i'm well aware that past efforts to reform washington have failed precisely because they relied on all outsiders, who then had no support at making the attempt.  but how about at least 50/50?  with the exception of chu, this seems like all the same people.

      right now, the only change coming TO washington will be several newly-appointed senators.

      and look, i understand the personnel is not policy argument. which is why i didn't have too much heartburn with clinton or retaining gates.  those are two areas where i have no doubt he'll be intimately involved in what happens.

      but interior and agriculture? you seriously think obama's going to get into the nitty-gritty of land management and ag policy? no, those are areas where he'll likely do the most delegating. which is why vilsack and salazar are more upsetting - not just because they're corporatist DLC wankers.

      so what's my goal for this administration?  that by the end we never hear a discussion of how difficult it will be to pass given legislation because lobby X will stand in the way. and that will be because K street will be on the scrapheap of history right next to tammany hall.

      l'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers

      by zeke L on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:08:05 PM PST

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    •  78% approved of the Iraq war at one point (3+ / 0-)
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      it proves nothing.  If these positions don't really amount to much then why bother to even fill them, just have the boss shoot down some orders every few days for the undersecretaries.  Of course these positions mean a lot, they carry much power and they are to some extent independent of daily oversight and the offices constitute significant policy-making centers in their own right.

      Anyone who has ever been "in charge" of anything knows that subordinates who are not in agreement with what you do can really slow the process down if not disable it without doing anything that you can really pin down.

      For me, Universal healthcare that doesn't serve primarily to enrich the insurance companies and investigations and prosecutions of those who broke the laws against torture would be high attainments that would count highly in the final tally.

      (-7.0, -6.4) "I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson

      by NearlyNormal on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:14:29 PM PST

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    •  Who advises the President matters. (7+ / 0-)

      Who runs the various departments of the executive branch matters.  It just is a fact that who you surround yourself with will help shape your administration.

      Pres. Elect Obama can't do it by himself.  The idea that he is going to tell all his advisors and cabinet holders that they are full of it is ridiculous.  They will each stamp their influence on this Administration.

      I am not terribly thrilled with Obama's cabinet, but not particularly violently opposed to any of them.  But my reaction is "ho hum".  I hope he fixes the economy.  He'll move the country more in our direction than it has been.  But overall, it's feeling like a Clinton Administration, hopefully without the scandals.  Still, not what we all hoped for.

      •  depends what you hoped for (0+ / 0-)

        and what ends up happening. We can think it looks like the Clinton Administration or the Cast of Gilligan's Island til the cows come home. To use the sports cliche, "that's why they play the game."

        We get to vote on who the Pres. is gonna be. We don't get to vote on his cabinet. That's what we elect the Pres. for, no?

    •  Comedy (0+ / 0-)

      You're an interesting one to defend Obama's picks, since you were a leading diarist in the purge Clinton supporter crowd. I guess all of that stuff you had to say back then is…washed away by blue kool-aid?

      You have a lot of balls to talk about "getting undercut from friends" when you were part of the same rabid mob not even a year ago.

      Credibility FAIL.

      Palin: I can see Russia from my house! Obama: I can see Lafayette Park from mine.

      by Attorney at Arms on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:22:24 PM PST

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      •  What? (1+ / 0-)
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        "Purge Clinton supporter crowd"?

        I don't recall that at all.  Now, I'll admit I'm wrong about that if you can point to a single instance where I said Clinton supporters should be "purged"...

        But I'm pretty sure that isn't the case.  Because I recall times that people were out in front advocating purging Clinton supporters, and I was against it, and said, no, we need them.

        I'm just not sure where you are getting this.  If I DID do that at any point, I apologize.  Because I'm pretty sure I would not have done that.

    •  Obama can't limit his rule to the 20% of the . . (0+ / 0-)

      electorate reflected by this Board.

    •  Yep, Wm, I agree with you. ;~} (4+ / 0-)

      I'm as happy as I can be considering I'm sick.

      But really, Obama has my full support. I'm a far left radical actually, and he isn't. But he is going to do good things. At my age, that's all I can possibly ask for, and it will suffice.

      Overall I'm pleased with most of his appointments. In these extraordinary times with horrendous problems economically and environmentally, I am delighted to have a sane, very intelligent and open person as leader. It can't get much better than Obama as far as I'm concerned. I know he has the right values and will do as much as he can for progress in the right direction given political realities.

      Now, if he just hadn't signed up Rick Warren (yuck!) for the inauguration I'd be even happier. They do have a young black woman poet and a lovely quartet on the program however, and that will balance him out.

      I'm sure there'll be times in the future to get on his case, but for now, no. I'm in his corner all the way.

    •  He was not for UHC (0+ / 0-)

      his plan would get us close, but it did not contain a requirement that everyone have insurance.

      I don't agree with him - but that was his position.

    •  Which promises are paramount? (0+ / 0-)

      Well, first, I'm beyond thrilled that Obama won.  Our long national nightmare may actually be over.  And for me to vote for him a second time I'm sure the only thing he needs to do is show up.

      That said, the one addition I have to your list (economy, Iraq, energy independence, and healthcare) is education.

      There are two primary aspects to education that I care about.  The first is research -- as a graduate student in science I am scared that our dominance in research is coming to a close.  Not only is NIH funding getting tighter, but it's getting harder and harder to get tenure, and this pushes people (like myself) away from academia.  The economic apocalypse is only making this worse.  Obama should pump money into more than the economy -- he needs to pump it into the research engine that is the NIH to ensure that the basic research that our economy requires will continue.

      The second aspect is primary education -- we need to move away from high-stakes testing as a valid measure of student and teacher performance.  Instead, we need to vastly improve teacher training, make it more selective and demanding, and pay our teachers more.  After reading some of the diaries here about the new Ed Sec appointment I'm not exactly excited about what's to come in this department.

    •  Only reading DKos makes me unhappy these days (7+ / 0-)

      To the point where I'm thinking of taking a long vacation from it.

      I'm really fracking sick and tired of everyone pulling out the long knives on this site.

      I'm shocked to learn that 1 in 12 Americans do not know that the bird, is in fact, that word.

      by dansac on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:43:13 PM PST

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    •  How about a liberal trade policy? (1+ / 0-)
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      I know I won't be getting it, you asked what would make me happy.

      "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said." "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain

      by Quanta on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:24:26 PM PST

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    •  Going forward, there is much more potential (1+ / 0-)
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      for good, and in a way that no one else could have achieved were they in his place, than there is for a retrenching of Bush-style politics.

    •  Nothing will please the purest of the pure, it (0+ / 0-)

      will a new "concern" next week.......  Dems like to form in a circle, raise their weapons, and then fire........  

      President-Elect Obama, the first American President to own a Wave-Brush.

      by fromdabak on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:03:47 PM PST

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    •  This is how you treat your "friends?" (0+ / 0-)

      While you give olive branches to your enemies.

      You might want to have that checked out.

    •  Restore the fucking constitution (1+ / 0-)
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      End Bush's wiretapping.  End our torture policies.  Close Git-mo.

      Hmmm, maybe a law that does not allow any gov dept to hire mercinaries.

      End Bush's stupid missile defense bull crap.  Does anyone think the leaders in Iran have death wishes?  Would they be stupid enough to launch a nuclear warhead at Europe knowing it would mean the death of tens of millions of their own people as well as their own deaths?  And do we really want to antagonize Russia for no good reason?

      I'll think of more later I'm sure.

      P.S. I do expect some of this particularly the first part.  I will draw an absolute line at wiretapping, torture and Gitmo.  The constitution says you cannot spy on Americans without a warrant and torture is an inexcusable crime against humanity.

      "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said." "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain

      by Quanta on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:18:17 PM PST

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    •  It's not about his promises... (0+ / 0-)

      it is about the acute needs of this country.

    •  The problem _is_ the promises. (1+ / 0-)
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      There's no betrayal here.

      Obama ran on a centrist platform. He's now putting it in place.

      This is what I expected, and what I voted for (because the alternative was much worse).  It doesn't make me very happy, however.

      What would make me happy?

      A sustainable economy.

      Single-payer health care.

      A demilitarized foreign policy (which would begin by bringing troops home from Afghanistan, as well as Iraq).

      Fair trade policies.

      That would, at least, be a start.

      This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

      by GreenSooner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 10:33:13 PM PST

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    •  thank you for writing this diary, (1+ / 0-)
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      I was going to write it, but my version consisted of "What the fuck is your fucking problem?" repeated 832 times... yours is so much better!

    •  When I feel like a citizen again (0+ / 0-)
      That's when I'll be happy.  I agree with you that the country is in survival mode now, so focusing on the economy first and foremost is probably the most prudent thing.

      But when I see decisions made that uncut me as a gay person, like appointing Rick Warren to do the invocation at the inauguration, the same Rick Warren who worked tirelessly to deprive me of my civil rights as a gay person, then all I have to say is, in the spirit of Rosa Parks, I WILL NOT STEP TO THE REAR OF THE GODDAMN BUS!

      The last Democratic President we had was responsible for Dont' Ask, Don't Tell, and the Defense of Marriage Act.  I love Obama and am proud to call him my President.  What I want to say to him is, call me an equal citizen and I will help fight your fight to make things right.  But please don't support or encourage people that treat me like African-Americans were treated a generation ago.

      To paraphrase Emma Goldman, if I can't get equal rights, I don't want to be part of your revolution!

    •  But wmtriallawyer.... (0+ / 0-)

      He didn't consult with me...and I voted for him and EVERYTHING!!!



      Obama/Biden, 2012!

      by WSComn on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 06:01:17 AM PST

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    •  To make me happy (0+ / 0-)

      Undo everything the Bush administration and the last two Congressess did.

      Get rid of the Warrentless surveilance and data mining.
      Get rid of the Patriot Act, the Detainee Treatment Act, the Military Commissions Act.
      Get rid of the kidnapping, torture, murder, holding without rendition, and other crimes against humanity.
      Stop terrorizing the rest of the world with covert actions, bombings of civilians, assassinations, coups, and destabilizations of other nations not to mention our own.
      Get rid of the Bush vs Gore Supreme Court especially Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas.
      Get rid of the signing statements and executive orders
      Get rid of the AUMF, Emergency Powers, National Security, Security Clearances, Ursurpations of Congressional Power by a unitary executive, rubber stamp approvals of executive actions and Federalism
      Get rid of the incompetent regent U Bush loyalist appointees.

      Thats just to clear the decks so we can get down to Business.

      Bulding alternative energy infrastructure ought to help stimulate the economy and restore some consumer confidence but rather than bailing out the auto industry and building more expressways clogged with gas guzzling cars how about retooling the big three to make buses and other public transportation.

      I'd like to see an end to credit cards and ursurious interest. Don't bail out banks and hope they will lend to homeowners trying to refinance, give the money to homeowners and let them be secure against foreclosure.

      Don't make it necessary for small business to finance themselves off credit cards that charge 30 % interest. Make government small business loans available with credits for investments in alternative energy.

      Our economy turns around

      Our economy will turn around eventually but when it does it ought to be restructured so that we are off the cheap fossil fuel energy, ursurious interest and other business as usual addictions

      We are out of Iraq

      and Afghanistan, and all the rest of the places where our covert wars and purposeful destabilizations are ruining peoples lives. Africa Asia, Central America, South America, Europe, the Middle Eeast, Oceanasia, the Artic and Antartic might be better off without our focing them to cave in to our business interests.

      We are on the way to energy independence

      We have maybe a decade to get there. Every time we find something that helps people relax. They forget about conservation of resources and living lifestyles that might be a little inconvenient now and go back to their greedy consumption.

      We have universal healthcare

      We can have either universal healthcare based on preventative primary care, or comprehensive healthcare for a privledged few, but universal comprehensive healthcare with all the lobbyists, government beaurocracies and insurance companies and paperwork out of the loop is a pipedream.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Impeach, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:38:25 AM PST

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  •  Are you sure you're on the right site? This is (18+ / 0-)
    a Democratic site, you know.  So we're just doing our job.  
    •  umm I think the diarist is a democrat too. n/t (6+ / 0-)
    •  since when was dissent (6+ / 0-)


      Frankly you should probably take a vacation as you're mistaking your allies for enemies.

      •  Ask the diarist. (10+ / 0-)

        The diarist is de facto saying dissent is bad. Attacking us for not taking our lump of coal and liking it.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
        Neither is California High Speed Rail

        by eugene on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:35:50 PM PST

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        •  no they're not (5+ / 0-)

          they are however pointing out that right now many of us are barking at the moon.

          Not to mention the fact that there  have been alot of decesions people here really like; for example Chu.

          If you really want to bark at the moon fine, but all that's happening is the diarist is trying to provide a little grounding.

          And personally I'm sick of the hyperbole, I don't know what's got you in a twist but you should work it out and calm down a little.

          •  Who's barking at the moon? (5+ / 0-)

            Many of us are pointing out problems. Was it barking at the moon to point out the flaws of invading Iraq even though we didn't have a prayer of stopping it?

            We face far more dire issues than "hyperbole" in this country. Stop worrying about attitudes and start getting active on the issues.

            I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
            Neither is California High Speed Rail

            by eugene on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:12:23 PM PST

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            •  attitude though leads to mindset and mindset (0+ / 0-)

              leads to how solutions are created and implmented.

              If all you want to do is pick fights for example, that's hardly helpful in the long run right?

              And spare me your matyr story, I didn't think the Iraqi War was a good idea, I didn't think Bush II was a good idea in 2000. In fact I had a very bad feeling and saddly have been proven right.

              But that is irrevelent to the here and now.

              I don't care what you did in the past, this moment is what matters.

              But as I said, go and pick fights, go act like some petulant child; I at least have more important concerns.

        •  Dear eugene, (4+ / 0-)

          That's not my perspective at all ("dissent is bad").
          My take is while we must speak out about appointments that maybe, just maybe, it would behoove us to not be so overzealously "progressive", i.e. purist or single issue, as to assist the wingers with their goal to weaken/undermine Obama even after his impressive mandate.

          P.S.  Love your diaries on healthcare.

          •  No (10+ / 0-)

            I strenuously resist the notion that behaving progressively is "zealous," "purist," and would "weaken/undermine Obama."

            That framing basically says any criticism from the left is bad. I ask you, in the strongest possible terms, to reconsider.

            I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
            Neither is California High Speed Rail

            by eugene on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:11:17 PM PST

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            •  eugene, I ask YOU, to reconsider. (6+ / 0-)

              For example, I love Orange Clouds's diaries because I become better informed.  Just like your health care diaries...and I could name more such as Meteor Blades and Lithium Cola.  

              My point is that the "left" which I count myself a member, become so purist, so ideological, that we undermine any chance of movement to the left:  there's a line (I proclaim no brilliance in delineating it) where we are our own worst enemy.

              •  Bravo!! (2+ / 0-)
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                well stated.

                This is what did in the right, except that the ideologues were in CHARGE in that instance, not merely rabble-rousing. Thank goodness that's not the case on our side.

                On the other hand, we must constantly be careful that our "purity" doesn't get us marginalized.

                Judging by comments like yours: so far, so good.

          •  not be overzealously progressive (6+ / 0-)

            funny nobody on the red state or free republic took issue with bush being overzealously conservative.

            maybe, just maybe it would behoove us to stand up for our values and hold our elected officials accountable.  to strongly tell them we want the public interests defended, not the same multinational corporations who have steamrolled us for the past 30 years.  to hold their feet to the fire and put pressure on them to end the privateering that is destroying our country and its democratic institutions.

            to be happy, i want:

            - NO private mercenaries in place of soldiers and/or police

            - support for sustainable, organic farming

            - national health care (NOT health insurance)

            - policies geared towards reviving the economy by funding renewable energy at a grassroots level (eg loans and tax breaks for reducing energy usage in homes, businesses, planting gardens, riding bikes, etc)

            - rebuilding regulatory agencies such as the CPSD, FDA, and FERC

            - progressive taxation / tax system that rewards work more than capital (reversing our current mess)

            - strong support for workers and small businesses (real small businesses, not shells of shells of shells)

            - community programs, not faith-based funding

            i'm sure there's more, but that's all i have at the top of my head

            "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

            by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:11:35 PM PST

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            •  Red State and FreeRepublic Are a Joke (7+ / 0-)

              And I don't think we should be stealing from their playbooks.

              That being said, I don't think that any individual here at DailyKos should have to abandon their progressive principles.  But you should also know that every single decision that Obama and his administration makes will piss off SOME members of our coalition, because we are large and we contain multitudes.  It's in this way also that we differ from RedState and FreeRepublic, which are both comprised of numerous brain-dead zombies programed with a small set of overarching principles: hate immigrants, hate gays, wars good, torture good, Islam bad, liberals bad, rinse, repeat.

              The Earth's 23.44 degree axial tilt in relation to its orbital plane is the REASON FOR THE SEASON.

              by karateexplosions on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:39:13 PM PST

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              •  you're missing it (2+ / 0-)
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                red state and free republic are places where the conservative activist base congregate, and they think we're brain-dead just as we think the same about them.  it's not about stealing from anybody's playbook, this is about getting our issues represented.  so far, i've been personally disappointed with the majority of obama's cabinet picks, and i'm not alone in this.  a lot of people here are going all republican with their "he's the decider" mentality, and it's doing a disservice for all of us.  it seems that after 8 years of bush fascist bullshit and 30 years of conservative framing, many of us truly have forgotten how to take a stand in favor of a principled position.

                "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

                by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:49:13 PM PST

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                •  I think you're missing it (2+ / 0-)
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                  caps lock on, Mistral Wind

                  You don't want to hear this, but here goes anyway.

                  Bush failed because he was a slave to the extremist right. Held prisoner by them and criticized when he didn't tow the line.

                  You, in turn, are advocating the same tension exist between our Pres. Elect and the netroots. That is by far the worst thing that could happen to a burgeoning Obama Administration. Last thing we need is to radicalize the party. That is a dead end street.

                  •  are we really that radical? (1+ / 0-)
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                    is wanting to defend and reinstate fundamental American values really that radical?  wasn't this country based on equal opportunities in the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?  didn't thomas jefferson say that banks are more dangerous than standing armies?  most of us around here aren't looking to smash the state and eliminate multi-national corporations altogether; we're just looking to get the referee (the govt) to play its role of refereeing again.

                    i honestly believe -- and i genuinely don't mean any offense -- that many democrats, including some kossacks, have no concept of what it means to stand up for themselves and their beliefs.  we will never get anything unless we fight for it and defend it.  nothing is guaranteed except that the private moneyed interests will use whatever tools they can to achieve their means.

                    most Americans, even conservatives, want what we want, but they have been programmed to think in terms of conservatism because it's got the most financial backing and therefore it's much more ubiquitous.  the only way we can win back the country is by being strong and not conciliatory.  republicans call democrats sissies and spineless and all those names because democrats try to find compromise and concessions.  if democrats were unabashedly progressive and able to clearly articulate their policy goals, we would get a lot more people into the party while eliminating this internal strife.  it's only when democrats try to maintain the status quo while calling it change that we develop these rifts within the community.

                    "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

                    by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:17:42 PM PST

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            •  yeah and look what happened to Bush and the GOP (0+ / 0-)

              Though I guess if you're trying to radicalize the party you're succeeding.

              •  there is no such thing as moderate/centrist (2+ / 0-)
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                BentLiberal, khereva

                you either look out for the public good or you look out for corporate interests.  if you try to take the neoliberal track of accommodating the public good through the market, you lose before you ever got started.

                "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

                by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:21:09 PM PST

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                  •  so you disagree? (1+ / 0-)
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                    please enlighten me.  i'm always open to new ideas and perspectives.  show me how you can look out for the public good while privatizing the work of government to organization whose fiduciary responsibility is to maximize profits?  i'd love to know.

                    "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

                    by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:29:55 PM PST

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                    •  I can try (3+ / 0-)
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                      caps lock on, creamer, BlueInUtah

                      First I want to make a distinction between how I, drache think, feel and the opnions I hold verus how a president should act.

                      For years now we've complained and tried to stop Bush II from ruling this nation like a king, and the GOP too. We've always demanded that some things be above politics.

                      And yet now that the shoe is on the other foot there are alot of people that I think are seeking vengence.

                      Personally, there's a part of me that's very very unhappy about this, there's a part of me that thinks Warren is just well spoken bigot. However for the president elect to reach out to someone that is pretty much a favored son among moderates and conservatives is an important gresture.

                      Obama is the President of the United States of America (or will be) and most represent all of us. Even the people that I really dislike. And that's also been a consitent theme of Obama's.

                      •  vengeance and dislike (2+ / 0-)
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                        it sounds like you're confusing vengeance and accountability.

                        i think bush has royally fucked the country, and it's time to restore its fundamental values.  you say some things should be above politics, but things like picking the genetically modified corn state guy for ag secretary and inviting the likes of rick warren to the inauguration are purely political.

                        my problem with many democrats is that they think they can reason conservatives into being cool with them, but conservatives simply have a different worldview that can't be reasoned with in traditional terms.  i highly recommend everyone here read george lakoff's "the political mind" because it addresses key failings of the democratic party.  one key problem is that we all see things in terms of morality, and for conservatives, that morality is defined in terms of "strict father" metaphors.  they have disdain for the progressive definition of freedom because freedom, to them, is freedom to obey authority.  that definition conflicts with the US Constitution, but many democrats accept it because they have gotten caught in the trap of only understanding politics in conservative frames.

                        personally, i don't dislike republicans or conservatives; i, however, dislike the effects of their policies on our country, and i don't think "reaching out" to them does any good since they understand things differently from me.  rather than trying to triangulate and inevitably capitulating, we need to stand up for what we believe in and defend our positions in terms of right and wrong, not material interests or shared values.

                        the conservatives have done a spectacular job of getting us to think in terms of their metaphors (ie "war on terror"), and it's time for us to lead with our own.  trying to find common ground is wasted opportunity and time, and if our elected representatives seem like they have no other values other than getting re-elected, they'll not only lose their reelections but also fail to bring about the change they were elected to bring.

                        we elected democrats to both houses of Congress in 2006, and we have gotten bupkis because we "would get vetoed anyway."  the American people want progressive values reinstated in this country, and the democrat party risks completely destroying its already dubious brand name if it wobbles.

                        this is about justice and representation, not vengeance.

                        "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

                        by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:08:07 PM PST

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                        •  that depends heavily (0+ / 0-)

                          on how you define the 2.

                          I am for accountablity but not if it hampers us in the present.

                          As for the 'genetically modifed corn guy' /shrug unless you have proof that that corn is dangerous I'm unimpressed. While I'm not sure in the end what I think of us playing with genes in the food we eat I do know there's alot of regulation and oversight.

                          I think I should point out that obviously you have a point, there is a core that won't hear a word we say. But there are also those that will listen the evidence is in our swelling ranks. Of course this is subject to diminishing returns, as we convert more the less possibles there are out there.

                          I'm sorry but you're going to have to give me more then just your word that you want justice and represnation.

                          What exactly do you want? how do you propose to implement this justice? how will you make sure it's impartial? what do we do if this justice you seek conflicts with trying to fix the economy? Or what would you piroritize more, the economy, the enviroment, or this justice?

                          I do think justice is important, but I do have serious reserviations about how we can keep it impartial and even more serious reserviations about being able to do it while we get out of Iraq, fix the economy and start ending our dependence on forgien oil.

              •  He failed because his ideology is flawed (0+ / 0-)

                The markets crashed primarilly because of the deregulation of the financial sector.

                They believed they could turn Iraq into a neoconservative paradise.  For this they ignored reallity or created a psuedo reallity.  Invaded and it went to hell as was predicted by objective commentators.

                Our ideology is only radical in comparison to the ideology of the right.  Compared to Europe we are not radical.  So what's wrong with pushing our ideology?

                "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said." "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain

                by Quanta on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:39:35 PM PST

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      •  Dissent isn't undemocratic by any means (0+ / 0-)

        And I'm missing where the diarist is saying so.  The real question is when is dissent unproductive?  

        Of course (as commented upthread) three days before a bad policy or regulation is made into law, is too late.  However, knee-jerk oppositionality before a single policy or regulation is even proposed is too early, and isn't going to build much credibility after the fact, when credibility is needed.

  •  Repealing DOMA would make me happy (19+ / 0-)

    but I'm prepared to allow 8 years, not 4.

    Other than that, I'm feeling pretty good about things.  Even with another Great Depression looming, it seems just now that maybe American's MIGHT be able to pull together and look to the long term.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:41:32 AM PST

  •  I want him to fast-track stem cell research. (22+ / 0-)

    That way we can grow the spines on our congressional leaders and get Obama's programs through without rolling over for the repubs at every turn.

    We must allow them to finish their terms. Then they can start their new "terms". -edscan

    by lineatus on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:41:56 AM PST

  •  Wrong question (51+ / 0-)

    Your question seems to be more: What will it take for you to shut up and quit commenting on your nation's government?

    I've been pretty happy with Obama's choice (overall a bit too conservative for my tastes, but individually they tend to be very talented), but I don't understand the mass of people here who attack folks for complaining.  Complaining about your government is part, a central part, of the democratic process (I'm gonna be damned for this one).

  •  Turning the economy around (16+ / 0-)

    because everything else hinges on it and is linked to it.

    Re: Cabinet positions.  I'm a wait and see person.  Much depends on how many Bush drones can be purged and who will be appointed to Under Secretary and bureau posts.

  •  I want (3+ / 0-)

    I want the ability to live my life everyday the way I want, without fear that the Govt will step in and tell me what to do.

  •  I'm giving him until at least Jan 21st, nt (5+ / 0-)

    We will fight. We will win. This machine kills fascists.

    by Elvis meets Nixon on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:42:46 AM PST

  •  More basic research funding (6+ / 0-)

    and a pony.

    President Obama. Yes we can.

    by KroneckerD on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:43:24 AM PST

  •  Blogs like Daily Kos should be *thankful* (2+ / 0-)
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    Maybe if everyone were just numbly happy and not paying attention, they wouldn't be reading and commenting on blogs like this.

    Not to mention that even for people who are very happy, this whole blogging / kibbitizing thing is what they've done for the past 5 or more years.

    •  People set their expectations way high (3+ / 0-)
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      And wrote their own agenda onto what they just knew Obama would bring them, when Obama never promised any such thing.

      Therein lies Obama's political genius. I campaigned for him just like everybody else did. But I always practice what Bob Dylan preached: "Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters."

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:25:37 PM PST

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  •  CLEAR Roe v Wade supporters (7+ / 0-)

    appointed to Supreme Court when the time comes. Oh, and yeah, that pesky economy thingy...he can fix that and I'll be happy, too!

    I'm on a wavelength far from home--Stan Ridgeway

    by malibu1964 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:44:02 AM PST

  •  More whiskey? (11+ / 0-)

    I'm pretty happy with Obama so far.

    He's not even POTUS yet, mo fos.

    Omaha must now be referred to as Omama

    by GenXWho on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:44:13 AM PST

  •  I want a Jet-Pack (15+ / 0-)

    and the ability to read minds.

    Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

    by Dartagnan on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:44:37 AM PST

  •  Disinvite Rick Warren from the Inauguration (12+ / 0-)

    No need to get off on the wrong foot.

    •  Yeah, whats up with that? (2+ / 0-)
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      What's next? Donnie McClurkin performing?

      •  I could handle that evangelical guy, (0+ / 0-)

        whose name I forget, who has long been under suspician for being pro-environment, and recently he allowed as how allowing gays to marry might not be so bad either.  So he's more or less disinvited from joining in any reindeer games.  HIM Obama can invite to the Inauguration.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:50:26 AM PST

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  •  I don't think we know HOW to be happy... (28+ / 0-)

    ...on the political front.

    Also, a lot of people seem to have some rather insane ideas about what Obama should do, or even who he is.  Frankly, I think too many of our own people, even, bought into the whole "most liberal U.S. Senator" nonsense.

    He's more liberal than the last Democratic President, so I expect some improvements over the often timid policies of President Clinton.  However, he is, in the end, still more "center left" than what many seem to want, or even, for some reason, seemed to expect.

  •  Comparison to LBJ and FDR Pretty Meaningless (2+ / 0-)
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    Neither of them faced today's intransigent Republican so-called party.

    One of them had to cope with a giant Military-Industrial-Intelligence complex.

    The other was an outstanding success.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:45:21 AM PST

  •  Middle Class Jobs and Unions (4+ / 0-)

    In 4 years the economy will still be messed up.  We will still have troops in the Middle East.  "On on way" to energy independence is way vague and there will be little tangible progress on that front in four years.  Universal Healthcare -- or real movement in that direction is something I do expect to see.

    But also, what I want to see are good middle class jobs and a significant growth in unions.  

    •  The EFCA might help with that... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...provided we can get it through the Senate.

      Its best chances would be for Al Franken to come out on top in MN.  That would give us 59 Dem votes, all of which presumably will vote for the EFCA.  When combined with Arlen Specter - who has voted for it in the past - that gives us the 60 we need.

      If Coleman returns to the Senate, President Obama and Senator Reid need to start work on figuring out which Republican Senator we can convince to join with Specter on the EFCA.

      •  only need 51 votes to pass leg in senate (1+ / 0-)
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        if republicans want to filibuster, let them filibuster.  weak-kneed harry needs to learn to not buckle under the threat of pressure.  someone give that man a backbone--or replace him with a competent majority leader.

        "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

        by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:59:55 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for saying the truth:Some are on a mission (7+ / 0-)

    to undercut him now & he has not taken office yet too many critics-nobody has patience anymore.

    •  god forbid holding elected representatives (11+ / 0-)


      he's picking real stinkers for his cabinet.  i don't see why we have to wait to see them stink in public before we start voicing our concerns and disappointment.

      when you and the diarist take positions like you've taken, you are selling out progressivism in favor of authoritarianism.

      America is built on the responsibility of the public to hold elected officials accountable, not on elected officials holding their underlings accountable.  conservatives have chipped away so successfully at the fundamental ideas of our governance that now we have internal strife here on the progressive blogs.

      our values and principles are based on serving the public interest.   if our people in washington are supporting private interests over public interests, they are failing us and need to be taken to task for it.  it is our civic responsibility as Americans.

      "Give me liberty, or give me death." -some dudes

      by mediaprisoner on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:58:34 PM PST

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  •  He gets the US to commit to 350ppm (8+ / 0-)

    and otherwise uses US influence (what's left of it/what will be again) to reverse global warming.

    Everything else pales in comparison.

    You trust me, you really trust me! I'm now a trusted user?

    by indigoblueskies on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:48:27 AM PST

    •  A-effing-men (0+ / 0-)

      GREEN JOBS NOW! If Obama would commit to the plan put forth by Center for American Progress and PERI to create two-million green collar jobs, I would be happy. (A general idea endorsed by almost every environmental organization, including 1Sky,, Green For All, the Apollo Alliance, the WE Campaign, etc)

      Nothing about his cabinet appointments makes me think that's a remote possibility, though.

    •  Our CO2 output is going to sink dramatically for (0+ / 0-)

      the next year or two. A perfect time to make that number stick.

      Sig line for sale- inquire at

      by the fan man on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:42:08 PM PST

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  •  More commitment to the environment (7+ / 0-)

    That means supporting small organic farmers, not Monsanto, so I think it's entirely legitimate to voice concerns about who will be in charge of the USDA, for instance.  
    Other than that, I am happy with the competence of Obama's picks, although they are more Center-left than left, sadly.

    "If only Darwin could have traced man back to the Elephant, Lion or the Antelope, how much ridicule would have been spared to the doctrine of Evolution" H Ellis

    by science nerd on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:48:47 AM PST

  •  If he answers all my many questions... (19+ / 0-)

    ...personally, in handwritten-essay form, and pictorially illustrates the essays with scenes from issue-appropriate historical events and pieces of literature (ancient and contemporary).

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:51:30 AM PST

  •  These things (13+ / 0-)
    1. Create a new green economy
    1. Pass a universal health care program
    1. Begin work on a new high speed rail system
    1. Get troops out of Iraq
    1. Pass Employee Free Choice Act
    1. Defund and weaken the Rethug Party, and put all its adherents in prison.

    Proud to be a pro-"torture" Democrat.

    by IhateBush on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:52:16 AM PST

  •  Whatever it takes... (7+ / 0-) keep the Republicans in the howling wilderness for the next, oh, century or so. Nothing big. :)

  •  Writing gigs and an occasional hamburger from (6+ / 0-)


    I hate red thermometers. -- Frosty the Snowman

    by BA BarackUS on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:53:47 AM PST

  •  Most importantly, he's the most progressive (5+ / 0-)

    President elect since JFK. I do admit that his cabinet appointments tell a different story though, and I won't hide my disappointment. I wouldn't make a big fuss about any individual appointee, but he truly packed his cabinet with blue dogs and DLCers. I have to admit I'm at a loss explaining this. But that still doesn't make Obama himself a Clintonista. Let's see how the man governs.

    An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz (cskendrick)

    by brainwave on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:58:29 AM PST

    •  I Think LBJ Was Maybe More Progressive as (4+ / 0-)

      Pres-Elect in 64. If that counts as being a President-Elect.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:03:28 PM PST

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      •  Could be (0+ / 0-)

        I know, the Great Society, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, nominating Thurgood Marshal to the SCOTUS - all that weighs heavily again the war in Vietnam. I guess like most people of my generation (born in January 1965, just as LBJ was sworn in to his own term), I see him as much more of the realpolitiker compared to JFK. Which is ironic since JFK was more conservative in foreign affairs terms.  

        An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz (cskendrick)

        by brainwave on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:57:31 PM PST

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  •  You know (13+ / 0-)

    there is a lot happening in our Country that is basically out of our control.  As Democrats, we solve problems, we want answers and some are just plain sick of Bush.

    I think a lot of people are channeling post election energy into these issues that may not seem like issues to others but they care and they want to be diligent.

    I just want to be able to make my mortgage payments and pay off all my debt, raise my kid and maybe stop working full time because of chronic illness.  Right now, I can't do all three and it's frustrating, we redirect our frustration.

    I really think we need to have a bit more patience with each other.

    Find your local food bank and give what you can, please.

    by Ellinorianne on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:01:17 PM PST

  •  I am (10+ / 0-)

    happy - that is... and frankly every single person I know (in multiple states) are also quite fabulously happy too... politically speaking that is.  I've heard nothing but praise for his transition choices.  
    Of course I read his books during the primaries and just have zero doubt in his skills, his authenticity and his intent.  Sooo, maybe everyone I know is just in the minority- but we have actually become even more hopeful since November - and feel that remarkable, positive, bright things are on the horizon with an Obama Administration.

    Because our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation.. Barack Obama, 5-25-08

    by sherijr on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:01:57 PM PST

  •  I'm Already Happy... (9+ / 0-)

    but world peace would be nice.

    In the realm of possibility, the four items you mentioned would be most pleasing to me.

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:04:09 PM PST

  •  I'm happy (15+ / 0-)

    I'm very happy.

    Embarrassing droogie fact of the day: Droogie moisturizes multiple times a day.

    by droogie6655321 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:04:22 PM PST

  •  I am pretty happy with most of his picks. (18+ / 0-)

    Especially that Nobel winning energy guy, and even Hillary.

    Despite the shitty mess he is inheriting from W, I am also much MUCH more relaxed about my immediate future than I was just a few months ago. A tension has been eased, one that's been a persistent knot for years.

    Ablington is a scab at the bending factory. Relentless!

    by ablington on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:04:25 PM PST

  •  I demand......... (9+ / 0-)

    that Obama personally deliver to me..........a cookie

    /end snark

  •  I'll be happy when Dynasty is achieved (1+ / 0-)
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    Give me Kennedy, or give me death!

    "Just to be clear, what I mean by the shock doctrine, as you know, is the use of crisis to push through unpopular pro-corporate policies." Naomi Klein

    by eroded47095 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:05:00 PM PST

  •  For me (6+ / 0-)

    its impeachment proceedings against BushCo. We`ve lost our moral compass, and the world will never again listen to us, unless we come to grips with the whole TORTURE thing. If Bush Co goes unpunished, we will never regain our standing in the world.

    I love the smell of napalm in the morning

    by Jazzenterprises on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:05:40 PM PST

    •  I don't have one of those (6+ / 0-)

      either !
      But I don't expect Barack to find me one!!
      I'm content that I voted for a smart guy & will seat back & watch. I don't see how we can complain this early, the guy isn't even President yet.

      Their are to many people demanding things in here.

      Now back to trying to find a job

      ''Al-Zeidi is the man...He did what Arab leaders failed to do.''

      by eeff on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:12:35 PM PST

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      •  I was being facetious (0+ / 0-)

        I don't expect Obama to find me a job. But I do expect him to put policies in place that will create jobs, since the market is failing to do so at present. I'm a grad student right now, but I'm a semester from graduating and I'm more than a bit terrified of entering this job market ;)

  •  Justice Deval Patrick, Justice Charles Ogletree, (5+ / 0-)
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    Justice Laurence Tribe, Justice Kathleen Sullivan,  Justice Pam Karlan, etc. -- that will make me happy.  That's where I'd begin.

    Also, universal health care and enormous investment in mass transit and passenger rail that produces an economy like the late 90s.  Troops out of Iraq.  Employee Free Choice Act.  A minimum wage indexed for either price or wage inflation.  Sen. Clinton's bill restoring federal voting rights to ex-felons who have completely served their sentences.

    I'm just getting started. ...

  •  I've been very happy since November (8+ / 0-)

    partly because I never expected the Obama cabinet to be a progressive wonderland. He's still the best candidate I've ever voted for, by a margin.

    However, the first amendment is in place to enable citizens of a democracy to get out into the agora and kibbutz, if I may mix languages, and I intend to do just that. The fact that Obama's team is paying more attention than most do is just going to egg me on.

    [F]or too many, the cruelty of our system is part of its appeal. - eightlivesleft

    by oldjohnbrown on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:09:59 PM PST

  •  universal healthcare with a public option (8+ / 0-)

    for everyone. If Obama gets a good health care plan through, that would be very solid.

    Also, I want serious investment in public transportation, including rail, and clean, renewable energy to address global warming.

    I expect Obama to break many other campaign promises, including passing the Employee Free Choice Act and getting most of our troops out of Iraq in 16 months. I would not be surprised if we still have 100,000 troops there two years from now.

    I think it's legitimate for people to complain about his appointments. About one-fifth of Americans identify as liberals, and probably about one-third of Obama voters were liberals, yet at most a handful of his appointees so far have been liberals. He's mostly appointed centrists and Republicans. Yes, I understand more than one viewpoint needs to be represented, but he is leaving out the left, which supported him so strongly during the election.

    Join the Iowa progressive community at Bleeding Heartland.

    by desmoinesdem on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:12:18 PM PST

  •  My list (6+ / 0-)
    1. An environmental policy that will allow people 50 years from now to live in a biosphere no worse than the one we have now.
    1. An agenda that prioritizes individuals and families over corporate bottom lines.
    1. Taking a few steps away from the abyss of market profiteering under a thin veneer of free-market ideology.
    1. Supertrain.
  •  competent professionals & one guy with (3+ / 0-)

    an insipid cowboy hat.

    who cares what banks fail in yonkers - as long as you've got a kiss that conquers.

    by rasbobbo on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:13:03 PM PST

  •  food, clothing, shelter, healthcare for everyone (6+ / 0-)

    Jobs for those who are able to work and want more than these minimums. There is no excuse for our country not to guarantee these things for all of us.
    A civilized capitalistic democratic society with equal rights for the living would be fine by me.

  •  When I'm content, I stop working for change (14+ / 0-)

    And as long as I'm working for change, does it matter whether I sound content?

    I'll kvetch plenty, but I'll also be working toward what matters most.  Just think of it as "love bitching."

  •  Bush set the bar pretty low . . . (8+ / 0-)

    I'll be happy with a semi-competent government.

    •  I am so grateful that Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      can speak in whole sentences and makes sense.  Bush is doing his damnedest to kill of endangered species and trash what is left of the economy in the few short days he has left.  I will be supremely grateful to see his butt leave the white house.  I wil be even gladder seeing the back of Cheney.  I will be able to turn the off button, as usual, when any of the Bush idjits come on tv.  

      I would be supremely happy if the dems would acknowledge the fact that we won, dammit!  And I would be grateful if they would acknowledge that we are not a center right country, but a country in trouble and if the repubs ain't putting their shoulders to the wheel can the dems (supposedly) in power please at least ask them why not?

      I would be thrilled, ecstatic even, if the dems would create a special prosecutor (maybe more than one even) to look into war crimes, war profiteering, price fixing, and determine how to get our taxpayer money back.

  •  I've been defending Obama... (5+ / 0-)

    on his cabinet (dis)appointments, but every day they seem to be getting worse and worse. They're getting hard to defend.

    As far as what will make me happy, getting out of Iraq is a big one. Of course, that's already being done by none other than Dubya.

    Health care reform is another big one and I have to say, as strongly as I supported Obama in the primaries (from day one by the way) I've never cared for his health care plan. I think it's a failure waiting to happen. Unfortunately, Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate who had a good health care plan and he was never going to win. If pragmatism is what Obama is aiming for, he ought to come out with a plan for single-payer health care in the United States. But I know he won't.

    I'd like to see an end to the institutional discrimination against the lgbt community, but the best we can expect from Obama (or any Democrat)is separate but equal status.

    That leaves energy, which is so big and complicated and nuanced that I just don't have any expectations at all.

    Of course, at the end of the day, I'm already happy that Republicans won't have free reign to continue destroying this country, unless of course Obama and the Democrats allow them to which is certainly plausible.

  •  To me, it's not really about Obama (15+ / 0-)

      It's not the "centrists" he's appointed to his cabinet; they are who they are. Obama ran on change, and given what Bush has wrought, ANY change will be positive change. It might not be as speedy or as thorough as we might like, but overall I'm not terribly worried about the cabinet appointments. (If Harold Ford gets on the cabinet this paragraph will be instantly inoperative.)

     The problem is the current Congress, which seems hell-bent on making like as difficult as possible for Obama -- and the blame falls equally on both the Republican dirtbags and their Democratic enablers. How, exactly, is Obama going to turn the economy around if the middle class is decimated by union-busting?

     I'm fine with Obama. I'm disgusted with Harry Reid and his Senate cohorts.

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:18:44 PM PST

    •  Excellent point. (3+ / 0-)
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      An entirely different discussion to have, for sure.

      But if Congress ends up being the central problem going forward...ugh.

      We can see it coming already, can't we?

    •  Just "any" change is not enough. (3+ / 0-)
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      We need a fix to the credit/housing problem.

      We need the basic economic justice to reverse the concentration of wealth that is so toxic to our economy.

      We need a serious solution to healthcare.

      We need serious, aggressive action on Global Warming.

      We need to pull the hell out of Iraq and be practical about Afghanistan because we can't afford the military over-reach.

      Incremental change, which this cabinet is all about, won't cut it.

      So either Obama turns out to be Super-Executive or we are cooked in several different ways.

      The difficult I'll do right now. The impossible will take a little longer. - ? (Billie Holiday lyric & WWII Army Corp Engineers motto, per Paul Rogat Loeb)

      by Words In Action on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:38:57 PM PST

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  •  An Inauguration (5+ / 0-)

    Seriously is it Jan 20th yet?

    This 8 yr Groundhog Day just wont end.

    I expect to be very happy on that day.

    But I know we have a lot of hard work and a lot of people are really scared and hurting out there.

    I think this is all stems from progressives souls just screaming out "Can the madness end?!"

    Weve been conditioned to weep for the past 8 years.  To being unheard.  To being scared.  We need change.

    Itll right itself out in time.

  •  Ya know what will make me happy? (12+ / 0-)


    Matt Yglesias's summation of the Iraq War is being quoted pretty liberally, and with good reason:

    The harsh reality is that this was not a noble undertaking done for good reasons. It was a criminal enterprise launched by madmen cheered on by a chorus of fools and cowards.

    And until we hold the investigations consistent with  such a criminal enterprise - and the trials, convictions, and sentences one would expect to result from such investigations - that criminal enterprise will be what defines us as a nation.  No matter how high Obama's approval ratings may be.

    Now, to be perfectly honest I'm not actually disappointed in anything Obama has done.  At least not yet.  I have a sneaking suspicion he is as aware of the above as we are (although I doubt he uses the same nouns.)  I'm hoping he's got some cards he's playing close to the chest.

    We shall see...

    "I'm not negative - I'm ANGRY!" -- Howard the Duck

    by Roddy McCorley on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:22:24 PM PST

  •  2 SCOTUS justices who don't think God is Repub (6+ / 0-)

    That will make me happy.

    Ideally, 2 justices who don't think God has any business in the lives of US Citizens.

    I'm content with not achieving the progressive utopia on earth.  Our country is careening down a steep slope to a drop off, and you can't get a horse to turn around 180 degrees.  You've got to nudge it off the disaster course by increments.

    We won't get where we want in 4 years.  Instance Gratification is stupid.  But in 8 years, or 12, we'll look back and say, "Obama started us on the way here, where we can sigh in relief.  God bless him."

    "Failure after long perseverance is much grander than never to have a striving good enough to be called a failure." - George Eliot -

    by BlueInUtah on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:22:31 PM PST

  •  Simple (5+ / 0-)

    Change the focus from corporate america to people.  So far there have been lots of words and lots of pro-corporate cabinet picks.  It remains to be seen if the words will be undermined or followed through on.

    Patriotism is upholding the Constitution. Everything else is BS.

    by Nathan in MD on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:22:44 PM PST

  •  More women on SCOTUS. (6+ / 0-)

    That would make me pretty happy.

    However, as I wrote a week ago, I'm still chock full of hope.

    And no cabinet of smart, if centrist, Democrats is going to rob me of my joy.  And no loss in a deeply red state is going to make me give up.  And no scandal that happens to involve a Democrat -- especially a scandal in which, if anything, Obama and his advisers appear to have acted quite righteously -- is going to make me feel any less proud or certain of the vote I rose at five in the morning to cast on Election Day.

    Hope you enjoyed it, Sarah, 'cause we just kicked your silly winking folksy lipsticked ass back to Alaska. Now shut the fuck up and stay there. Also.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:24:28 PM PST

  •  Didn't the shoe-thrower teach you anything? (7+ / 0-)

    It's time for rage! And it's time to stop carrying water for "our" candidate. We were sold out by the Democratic Congress after '06, and we're being sold out everyday by Barack. We don't have to shut-up until after the inauguration. Every corporatist or hawkish appointment Barack makes is an executive decision. These are the only executive decisions that he can make now. Four years form now; after we are still in Iraq and still losing jobs to "free trade," you'll be arguing: 'Just give him four more years.' Just as, no doubt, you've been arguing that the last Congress couldn't do anything because it didn't have sixty Senate votes-- and, of course, conveniently enough, it still doesn't have sixty votes.

  •  Context (6+ / 0-)

    is revealing, isn't it? Because with Bush as president, more and more people disapproved of him. People had different levels of disapproval, and disapproved for somewhat different reasons, but you could reach out to a random person on the street and likely both of you would shake your head over Bush, even if things didn't go any deeper than that, and even if you disagreed with them on what should be done instead of Bush.

    On the other hand, now that Obama has won, it is like a sorting mechanism of all the people who didn't like Bush. The moderates and somewhat apathetic people who didn't like Bush now seem to be pretty happy. The people who are the most irritated are at the ends of the political spectrum.

    And with our populace and political system, that is a very good place for Obama to be, even it disgruntles certain people. (Remember, there were a number of right wingers who didn't think Bush was nutty enough--is that really the role you want to play?)

    I think, though, beyond specific magical ponies that Obama is not giving people, the overall effect is negative. The level of whining in the diaries has gotten to the point where it's not just irritating, more to the point for dealing with a "pragmatic" administration--it's a turn off--it's not effective--and it's not going to move your case.

    great ideas+organization+discipline+communication=WIN

    by JMS on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:28:49 PM PST

  •  Right now (2+ / 0-)
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    he could make sure at least one or two native automobile manufacturers are saved.  Because if he doesn't he's gonna be doomed before he even starts.

    •  I believe very strongly that he will (0+ / 0-)

      move to save GM and keep for afloat. Chrysler is a goner, even if it is saved the private company that holds it is going to dismantle it and spin off all the assets/brands it can and liquidize the rest.

  •  think a lot of people around here are just bored, (5+ / 0-)

    and accustomed to complaining. As for me, I am very happy, and looking forward to Obama being sworn in, and to moving ahead with his agenda. For the most part, I'm good with his cabinet and staff picks, with a couple of "mehs" thrown in. But I trust him to do what he has repeatedly said he wants to do. If he does not make good on his promises, then I will have a problem. But I see no reason to bitch at this point.

    Thanks for your diary. This needed to be said.

  •  20% will never be happy (4+ / 0-)
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    There will always be angry and pissed off Democrats, they will always be butthurt about something (Hey, I know I could find something if I tried hard enough) so it's futile.

    Find your local food bank and give what you can, please.

    by Ellinorianne on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:34:23 PM PST

  •  It's not what happens over the next 8 years (3+ / 0-)

    Bill Clinton had a good 8 year run, despite being attacked almost every day by the republicans. Even so, we were relatively prosperous, were generally at peace, with a few notable exceptions, and things were good. Now let's say we return to that model. The next 8 years will see gradual improvement in the economy, better relations with the rest of the world and maybe a few big things like UHC, or something like it. That would be a good thing, right?

    Except for the fact that Clinton left room for the republicans to come charging back in 2000, giving us Bush and Cheney. What worries me is not that Obama will do a bad job. He won't. He has competent, even outstanding staff. But in 2016, the country may very well go back to its habit of changing course, going for a republican. If Obama does not deal with the way government conducts itself, and does not address the worst aspects of the republican party, we will have to deal with another Bush, or quite probably worse. It's not just about now, but what we will see in 8 or 16 or 24 years.

    I am ok with a conservative party. I may not like what they will do, but I can accept that there are many conservatives in this country who have a right to try to set course for this country. With that said, the republican party needs to be dismantled, along with large parts of the DC establishment and congressional democrats. They do not serve the people any longer. I can accept that he does not want to have war crimes, but there should be a commission to get to the bottom of what was done, and rules in place to make sure it never happens again. Same with all the other major issues, from labor to finance to the environment to foreign policy. We need someone willing to take on the worst, no matter how ugly it might get to make sure that it never happens again, and unfortunately, Obama seems unwilling to fight himself, or appoint to his cabinet or staff people who will fight for what is right.

    Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

    by corwin on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:34:38 PM PST

  •  Not sure what brought this rant on... (2+ / 0-)
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    Perhaps I misread the post.

    I think Kos pretty clearly demonstrated that the 'unhappy left' meme was a traditional media driven frame/story-line/dead tree filler-fluff; and not to be taken seriously.

    If there's anyone really whining about this kind of stuff even before the guy takes office, I find their concerns less than credible.

    Just my opinion.

  •  Grey Ceiling - Give me a GenX Appointee (0+ / 0-)

    Caroline Palin for NY Senate?

    "It stinks." - Jay Sherman

    by angry liberaltarian on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:36:52 PM PST

  •  Waaaaa I want I want I want!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    I want 1,000,000 new green jobs right now, zero oil use starting right now today.
    I want all energy use to be wind and solar right now,and a new pony too.
    Jeez! Change takes time. America wasn't ruined in a day. It will take decades to change decades of waste.

    -7.88/-4.41 "Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future." Jimmy Carter

    by Interceptor7 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:37:39 PM PST

  •  when corporations stop calling the plays (6+ / 0-)

    and when they stop owning our government.

    Some of Obama's picks are way to close to corporations to make me happy.

  •  Restoration of the Rule of Law (17+ / 0-)

    Which will take prosecuting Bush administration officials.

    Everything else is secondary to this, even the economy, even health care.  Because without this we aren't really America anymore.

    This country does not have the luxury to entertain idiocy as if it is reasonable. --Digby

    by Thought Crime on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:42:45 PM PST

  •  Those four are a good start; I'd add (5+ / 0-)
    a few, like getting torture out of the U.S. bag of tricks, warentless wiretapping returned to its rightful place (that would be the "don't do it - ever" column), and, if it isn't too much trouble - hell, even if it is, the bulk of the Constitution restored. And I'd like President-Elect Obama's promise of open government put into practice, some real transparency, instead of what looks like a lot of the same old-boy networking of insiders.

    I get the message - he isn't POTUS yet, give him some room, give him a break, ..... Please understand that while trying to be patient, watching what's happening it still looks a lot like the same stuff, different day. If some of us are less than bright-eye optimists, a little understanding could go a long way. We're not against your guy - he's our guy too, we're just a little less willing than you to sit quietly and wait if it looks like we're heading back down the same old raod - even if we are traveling in a much better vehicle.

    "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott

    by MsWings on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:43:03 PM PST

  •  Bringing back (6+ / 0-)

    habeus corpus would be a start.
    If people have knowingly performed illegal acts, prosecuting them would help as well. Until the entire system is reformed and the rule of law reinstated, trust will wither and cynicism will overcome any good will this election has bought us.

  •  I want a %#/@!% pony (4+ / 0-)

    He promised us all a pony. You heard him. I heard him. I have a link somewhere, I just can't find it now.

    Anyway, if Obama doesn't start ponying up with the, you know, ponies, I'm going to start donating to his primary opponent. Just watch me.

    Shit. I'm so upset I just spilled my Dew and Doritos all over the keyboard.

    "This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008

    by BobzCat on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:45:07 PM PST

  •  Too much expectation (1+ / 0-)
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    might easily lead to disappointment.

  •  A lot of people seem to not WANT to be (5+ / 0-)

    happy.  They have grown dependent on outrage and anger and seem to need to rage against something.  If it's not the Republicans, it's the Democrats who don't do what they want them to do.  It's Obama for picking cabinet members who don't have the exact pedigree or record they think they should have.  It's other progressives who they believe should be foaming at the mouth over each and every bit of news, like they are.

    I'm happy with the results of the election, and I'm happy to give Obama AND his cabinet some breathing room.  I'll save my outrage for when the results of his presidency (hint: these will come AFTER he's sworn in) don't deliver on the promises he's made.

    Proud to be an American, once more.

    by LeanneB on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:51:05 PM PST

  •  A progressive agenda that includes... (9+ / 0-)
    1. Building a domestically produced energy infra-structure that provides reasonable paying jobs and does not provide give-away tax breaks to corporate elites.
    1. Moving away from the debt makes us wealthy promise (essentially Reaganomics as practiced by Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2). This would involve progressive taxes, increased domestic production, higher tariffs on imports that we don't need (flat screen tvs), and bringing balance to the trade deficit.
    1. Turning the rust-belt into the production belt (we don't need new auto manufacturers in Mississippi, we have them in the mid-west).
    1. Get the fucking cows out of the streams in the West! (that might be hard with Salazar at the helm). Cow shit and fish don't mix.
    1. Tell us the truth; we are in decline. We are not the greatest country on earth, we are a country on earth that has made so many fuck-ups that we admit we will stop trying and dictate world policy. We will however, work with nations to improve our and the world's lot.

    Too many more, but that is a start.

    "War is the health of the state." Rudolf Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

    by american pastoral on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:51:35 PM PST

    •  Whoa. (1+ / 0-)
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        5.  Tell us the truth; we are in decline. We are not the greatest country on earth, we are a country on earth that has made so many fuck-ups that we admit we will stop trying and dictate world policy. We will however, work with nations to improve our and the world's lot.

      You'd rather that you didn't live in a superpower???


      Omaha is Obama Country.

      by The Creator on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:56:25 PM PST

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      •  Canada is a grest nation... (6+ / 0-)

        We can be too with humility.

        "War is the health of the state." Rudolf Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

        by american pastoral on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:58:47 PM PST

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      •  Why should we be a superpower? (12+ / 0-)

        I agree with american pastoral. Our country needs a humble foreign policy and a cooperative, not dominating, relationship with the world. We don't need to be a superpower.

        We're a republic, not an empire.

        •  Why should we be a superpower? (1+ / 0-)
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          Maybe you should read about WWII.  

          Omaha is Obama Country.

          by The Creator on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:30:26 PM PST

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          •  I have read about WWII. What's your point? (2+ / 1-)
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            That was a unique moment in world history. I understand that you want our country to re-live that moment, but that won't happen. The world survived without the United States as a superpower in the past and it can do so after the United States faded into obscurity in the future.

            Rather than wasting our time with destructive power projection, we could try to build meaningful relationships with other countries. We have better things to do than bully developing nations and having pissing matches with Russia and China. Our country has behaved no differently from them. It's time we change!

            You must be one of those chickenhawk neo-consevatives who loves war but won't go fight in any wars yourself. You love war fantasies, but God forbid that you have to get involved in a real war!  

            Maybe you should read more on world history and a non-sugar coated version of American history. American exceptionalism is an ignorant myth perpetuated by right-wing assholes. The United States isn't the force of pure good that you may believe it is.

            •  That's cute indycam. Why the HR? (1+ / 0-)
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              I never HR'ed The Creator for his opinion.

              •  HR for bullshit personal attack . (0+ / 1-)
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                "You must be one of those chickenhawk neo-consevatives who loves war but won't go fight in any wars yourself. You love war fantasies, but God forbid that you have to get involved in a real war!"  

                "I don;t need to , because I don't give a shit who YOU are" MAORCA ***mean people suck***

                by indycam on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 09:19:17 AM PST

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                •  Still bitter huh? (0+ / 1-)
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                  Ever since we had that argument in that Iran topic. Even after I apologized to you. Of course I lashed out and called you names and insulted you, but you called me a troll. Let's say we're even. We both behaved immaturely.

                  I must have really struck a cord though, since you hate the terms "chickenhawk" and "neo-conservative". You really don't like those terms.

                  It's a common theme I run into a lot on this website: people with no military or war experience who long for war. They piss me off because they're the same idiots that back terrible wars like Vietnam and Iraq. What's worse is that they never learn from history.

                  You know why I blew up in that one topic, right? Because you were suggesting that Iran is a threat. What's the typical "solution" from people who push this Republican lie? War! You certainly never seemed opposed to the idea of going to war with Iran. After the bullshit our country has been through with Iraq and Afghanistan, there are still assholes who think war with Iran is a good idea.

                  I don't know "The Creator", the user I am arguing with, but it's very neo-conservative of him to push the whole superpower meme. Perhaps he isn't a chickenhawk, but he's definitely a neo-con.

                  No one else took my reply as an insult. It's definitely personal with you then. I even remember you admitting that you have never fought in a war or served in the military, but that you would if you had to. You pretty implied your age too, by confessing your dad fought in WWII. You must be a middle-aged guy.

                  If you want me to stay the hell away from you, then quit HR'ing my comments and responding to me. However, we don't have to be enemies.

                  Can't we just drop this stupid grudge? It's really not worth it.

                •  I guess you are bitter. (0+ / 0-)

                  You keep abusing your HR on me. Since you're not mature enough to have a conversation and discuss your views on foreign policy and national defense, perhaps I'll HR you too.

                  Either grow up and talk to me or leave me alone. You're really strung up on this whole "chickenhawk" thing. It's NOT a "bullshit personal attack". There are people like George Bush who fit that definition perfectly. Are you justifying them?

                  It's funny that you hate me for being openly and passionately anti-war.

  •  I'm happy. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    America to the world: Does this make up for the last eight years?

    by althea in il on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:51:50 PM PST

  •  CO2 Emissions Need to Start Falling ASAP (8+ / 0-)

    If that doesn't happen, none of the rest of your list will matter a whit.

  •  we have a short window of opportunity (7+ / 0-)

    and undoing the damage of the last 8 years doesn't even get started to do what needs to be done.

    We need some major changes in food, education, energy and number of different arenas, and Obama can't have detailed knowledge of them all.

    OrangeClouds' work is a great example of this.  Needless to say, with Vilsack at the head of food policy, we're not going to ease off of corn subsidies or support for big ag.  And we really, really need to.  I doubt Obama personally knows all the ins and outs of this issue, or has read a book by Michael Pollan.  And that means our policies are going to remain, unfortunately, largely unchanged here.

    So appointments matter.

  •  We have built a smart (2+ / 0-)
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    electrical grid, invested heavily in energy efficiency, existing renewables other than ethanol, and cutting edge technologies in other forms of renewables, instituted carbon caps and a carbon tax, invested in innovative programs to encourage efficiency and reduction in dependence on all carbon-based fuels, cut carbon emissions already and negotiated 80% cuts by 2050 with all other industrialized and industrializing countries.  We are building windmills and solar collection fields at breakneck pace.  We have broken apart the hold that the carbon extraction industries - and all of them - have over the political process.  We have upped the percentage of our national electrical supply coming from renewables a whole lot (I don't have a number that would satisfy me because I don't have enough knowledge to know what we need to do).

    If he does that in 4 years, I will deem him the greatest president and perhaps the greatest human being of all time.  If he doesn't, I fear that whatever else he does do will be too little, too late.

    The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place -- in cities all over America -- Frank Rich

    by Mother of Zeus on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 12:56:10 PM PST

  •  Thank you for asking! Good diary. (4+ / 0-)

    If Obama can meet those four points you outlined, that would make me happy. I know he can't fix everything, but there are particular issues that I expect him to act on.

    Here's exactly what I expect on all four points:

    1. His stimulus plan must not only provide jobs and raise our quality of life, but it must come with significant economic reforms too. Public works and public services are a huge must. Basically some step towards social democracy would be nice.
    1. This is the issue that I am most contentious and skeptical on. I have no faith in Obama's foreign policy. His promise of residual troops and the "conditions on the ground" caveat is worrisome to me. His National Security Team is made up of hawks. So far, I don't see that as a good sign.
    1. If he supports the Apollo Alliance and makes a sincere push for alternative energy, then I'll be happy with his energy policy. However, his talk of "clean coal", off-shore drilling and appointment of Ken Salazar is worrisome.
    1. My greatest expection on this is Obama signing H.R. 676 into law. I expect him to support universal health care, not to appease insurance companies.

    Summary: If Obama keeps us in the status quo with only minor cosmetic changes, then he won't get my support. If he continues Republican policies with minor tactical differences, then he'll never hear the end of it from me.

    I didn't vote for him so he could appease Republicans, leave their agenda and policies untouched, and maintain the status quo. I voted for him so he could change things.

    I don't expect revolutionary changes, but significant ones. My number one potential beef with Obama will likely be foreign policy. If his domestic policies show little or no signs of reform, like with health care, energy and civil rights, then I'll continue with my malcontent.

    Yes Obama is the president and Commander-in-Chief, but he's not an autocrat and can't have his way all the time. His Cabinet, the various lobbying groups, and Congress can affect his policies and their implementation. In other words, it's very possible for him to influenced by the likes of the DLC, Blue Dogs or even the GOP.

    I can't wait for his first 100 days. Then we'll see what he does or doesn't do. :)

  •  don't ask me what it would take (2+ / 0-)
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    to be happy.  I've been very unhappy since the Democratic nomination became a fight between corporatist A (HRC) and corporatist B (BHO).

    Ask the people who were very happy until at some point after 11/04/2008 why they aren't happy now.  Because I would sure the hell like to know what took them so damn long to get unhappy.

  •  great democratic gains (1+ / 0-)
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    mean nothing if they dont result in pushing a progressive agenda.Personally, im going to wait and see how Obama governs before i judge him (heck he hasn't been sworn in yet). But many  kossacks are worried about his cabinet picks, not be progressives, so i can understand them being gloomy. I mean, after having enough dems to fillibuster the bullshit getting passed for the past 2 years but seeing nothing of it, i can understand why liberals would be hesitant to get all joyful with a new democratic president and majority dem congress. I'm sure though that Obama and his administration will make great progressive gains. Besides, a little nudging from the liberals never hurt anybody. Look what we did to John Brennan.

  •  One word (5+ / 0-)

    Thank you WM!

  •  one word: populism (6+ / 0-)

    if obama betrays the concept of economic populism, he is in for the fight of his life with the folks around here.

    the one consistent theme i see pervading daily kos more than any other theme is economic populism:  people are sick and goddamned tired of business as usual and many of the picks so far are goddamned business as usual.

    no i haven't been one of the whiners but i'm not happy about being called out for what i've been thinking:  Obama is going with the old classic Democratic party apparatchiks and that is almost a deal-breaker.

  •  I have confidence in Obama and his picks for (2+ / 0-)
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    his cabinet. It seems to me that if any cabinet member doesn't work out, he can force a resignation. He says he will make mistakes and will be accountable for those mistakes. I believe him on this point because he truly wants to put our country on a different course and realizes that small steps are necessary to get to the goal.

    I think he may even be capable of changing the mindset of a cabinet member or two. He certainly got enough Americans to support him by using his logic.

  •  I voted for the smart one (3+ / 0-)
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    and he won. I'm content for now to sit back and observe as he goes to work and assembles his cabinet.

    But to read some of the other diary entries here I'm reminded of the title to a Stephen King novel I once read. I think it was...



    -8.00, -8.26 "Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair

    by djMikulec on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:10:07 PM PST

  •  Picks matter much less than 'results' folks n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Republicans are about as useful as a tailor in a nudist colony...Vote Blue

    by nicholasclaxton on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:10:22 PM PST

  •  Of course. (4+ / 0-)

    A new electric grid run on solar and wind, single-payer, nationwide high-speed rail, reduction in defense budget by 50%, prosecutions and life in federal prison for every high-level member of the Bush Administration, gains up to 67 seats in the Senate (including ejecting Reid, McCain, Landrieu, Lincoln, whichever Nelson is the bad one, and sending Lieberman to jail with the GOP leadership), five new Supreme Court justices, comprehensive immigration reform, sustainable agriculture 4evah, antitrust suits against the media corporations and banks, electric cars that get 100+ miles to a plug-in charge, ratification of Kyoto and joining the ICC, withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, bin Laden's head on a pike, war crimes trials against Blackwater, KBR, CACI, and Halliburton, new mortgages for all the homeowners screwed by subprime, free college tuition, legalization of marijuana, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, EFCA, ENDA, and gay marriage.

    If Obama does all that--now, of course, before he takes office-- he will MAKE me happy. But I understand it's also possible to find happiness elsewhere.

    President-elect Barack Obama.

    by noabsolutes on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:11:28 PM PST

  •  Rec'd and rec'd for (4+ / 0-)

    using "suffice to say" correctly. That made me happy.

    I'm not unhappy with Obama, I'm unhappy with the corporate-owned media for continually smearing and distorting anything done by a Democrat while giving a free pass to the criminal current occupants of our White House and the lying thieves who call themselves Republicans.
    I'm unhappy that Dominionism has a grip on many areas of our military and government. I'm unhappy that the DOJ has been gutted by Bush and Dick. I'm unhappy that the plutocrats are winning and jobs are scarce for all.  I'm unhappy that Obama has been left such a fucking nightmare to clean up and those sons of bitches will walk away with impunity.

  •  Health Care Reform isn't going to be what we need (0+ / 0-)

    it'll be the Massachusetts health insurance plan with the public option as a very limited competitor with insurance companies still having free reign with the only caveat of no pre-existing conditions in extending coverage.

    •  Now I'm just pissed (2+ / 0-)
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      Why the hell did you spend all spring and summer sniping at the guy over his campaign if you were so down on him and convinced that his plans, like healthcare, were such a disaster?

      This attitude is starting to piss me off.  It's incredibly un-constructive.

      I'm shocked to learn that 1 in 12 Americans do not know that the bird, is in fact, that word.

      by dansac on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:45:15 PM PST

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  •  Happiness is a warm puppy. (3+ / 0-)

    Yea, a puppy would make me happy.

    I'm also happy with Obama's picks.  And I hope he gets a warm puppy too.

    My dogs think I'm smart and pretty.

    by martydd on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:19:45 PM PST

  •  Prosecute and incarcerate bushco. (5+ / 0-)

    I would be deleriously happy.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:21:04 PM PST

  •  What it will take to make me happy (8+ / 0-)
    1.  Obama's four priorities accomplished -- Iraq within one year, the economy within two years, the other two within four years.  That'd be cool.
    1.  Indictments for the Bush Administration.  Lots and lots of them.
    1.  Guantanamo shut down, torture reviled and repudiated by every voice in our government and military.  Like, very soon.
    1.  Harry Reid's and Nancy Pelosi's announcements that they are stepping down from their respective "leadership" (HA!) roles.
    1.  New Congressional leadership who do things like pushing through repeals of the Military Commissions Act and the PATRIOT Act, right damn quick.
    1.  "You want fries with that?" jobs for Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernacke and that nasty Paulson guy.
    1.  Waking up, say, a year from now and feeling like I once again live in a country where the Constitution is more than just a piece of paper.
    1.  A new pony.
  •  regarding #4... (1+ / 0-)
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    I watched the debates and noted the change in his rhetoric.  It quickly went from 'universal health coverage' to 'lower premiums' as the election got closer.

    I hope that was just political strategery to help win the election (yes, I just said "strategery") but I have my doubts.  Obama's plan seemed to be to ignite his base early on and move towards the center once we were safely in his corner.

    The ultimate question is, which one is the real Obama?  History tells me politicians make a lot of grandiose promises and then retreat on them once they are in office.  I'm optimistic that Obama is different but we shall see.

    •  my guess is that the 'real' Obama is the one who (1+ / 0-)
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      has a utopian vision of universal health care, peace around the war, prosperity for all and level playing fields.

      That is what my heart tells me, my head tells me that the real Obama is the one you see, the one who will do what he can to bring his utopian visions to as close to fruition in his administration and hopefully leave it to the next administration to carry the vision forward. In sixteen years we might achieve a little of what everyone wants.

      On the other hand we could also be starving in the 16th year of a dreadful global economic depression, trying to staunch brush fires in every corner of the world over the last remaining pockets of oil,  and the Russians will control the ocean deeps and the Chinese will control space and both will have guided missiles pointed at us. The planet will contain 10 billion mouths to feed and drought will have cut the food supply to i/10th, and much of the coastal regions everywhere will be under water.  Those of us living in the mountains will have built huge fortresses around our areas to keep the marauders out.

      We'll have to see. It will probably be somewhere in between.

    •  Obama doesn't want the established order (0+ / 0-)

      to fall apart.

      If the only way to keep the established order from falling apart is giving $700 billion to Wall Street, he'll do that.

      If the only way to keep the established order from falling apart is to spend up to $1 trillion on a stimulus package, he'll do that.

      If he can keep the established order from falling apart with incremental half-measures on health care, that's what he'll do.

      In the end, it's less about him and more about us.  If we raise enough hell, he'll support buying our acquiescence at a high price.  If we drag our feet, he'll want to give us $.10 to the dollar.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:34:02 PM PST

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  •  Sunlight (5+ / 0-)

    Full criminal investigations of the Bush treasons. No show trials, no kabuki, no hand-waving, no "we can't dwell on the past" crap. No "I'll use the power to spy on Americans for good, not evil".

    The abuses of executive power need to be not only checked but undeniably repudiated. Failure to do that is tacit approval.

    With FISA like these, who needs enemies?

    by chase on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:24:56 PM PST

    •  Cheers to that (1+ / 0-)
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      Johnny Q

      If that includes a serious review of the electoral process I'm in.

      Working to restore Democracy is key to any legitimacy we have.  Right now several parts of that are broken - checks and balance, the electoral process, etc.

      I am the typo queen. Sorry in advance.

      by sadpanda on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:46:27 PM PST

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  •  Here's what would make me happy (4+ / 0-)

    For the micromanagers, the armchair president-elects, and the feminist-so-I'm-offendeds to eat their shorts when, in a year or two, these cabinet picks turned out to be winning pieces in a brilliantly-played chess game.

    Obama SAID he would pick folks who didn't agree with him. He has and now we're appalled. Wow. I guess "eating-your-own" isn't just an unjustified leftish stereotype anymore.

    Cabinet members are there to carry out Obama's policies...NOT THEIR OWN. They serve at his pleasure. Period. Obama has picked the folks he believes best able to carry out HIS policies. These are not picks made to garner YOUR support...these are picks to help Obama be an effective president...and THAT is what I want, even if it means he gets to keep his Blackberry.

    (As an aside, the best way to get a whole industry or population segment to go along with new things they don't want to do is to get an insider they trust to tell them they have to do it (think what Bush made Powell do.))

    In any case, during the transition period I'm just watching and waiting. I'm not going to bitch, moan, or complain when Obama doesn't consult me personally about whether he needs to keep or let go of his Blackberry...and regardless of his decision he doesn't owe me an explanation about WHY having or not having a Blackberry will or won't help him govern more effectively. That's why I pay him the big bucks...and that's why I want him to have the cabinet HE himself picks out according to HIS need, not mine.

  •  This cabinet has a halo of... (3+ / 0-)

    "...get it done." When politics is at its best, politicians find out what they have in common.

    If Barack can get even two of those four goals accomplished by 2012, I will have gotten my $320 worth.

  •  Real environmental change (3+ / 0-)
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    Dems 2008, Jampacked, Johnny Q

    No more fiddling around the edges. No more going down on agribusiness. No more political subsidies. No more bullshit.

  •  Universal Healthcare. (2+ / 0-)
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    ADamiani, Johnny Q

    Barack Hussein Obama is OUR President and OUR Commander-in-Chief - Deal with it!

    by TekBoss on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:29:10 PM PST

  •  No matter what Obama does, (3+ / 0-)
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    khereva, Dems 2008, Johnny Q

    I won't ever be happy with an administration that harbors war criminals, and I won't ever be happy living amongst apathetic immoral cretins who aren't up in arms about their country harboring war criminals.

    There's only one way around that.

    Justice. The Rule of Law.

    Prosecute Bush/Cheney.

    •  it's possible you might have to move (0+ / 0-)
      •  The rest of the world doesn't deserve (4+ / 0-)
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        khereva, The Movac, Jampacked, Johnny Q

        the taint of an American like myself who failed to stop W, and who failed to prosecute him.

        I deserve to rot in this pit and hate every immoral cretin who's here rotting with me.

          •  Neither was being a German after WWII. (5+ / 0-)

            It shouldn't have been.

            •  not sure i get that. But then I was (1+ / 0-)
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              a night owl

              British after WW2.  I find it so hard to keep straight all the reasons people should hate each other. It is so tiring and really boring.  I don't see why Americans need to feel responsible because they doidn't stop Dubya.  Lots of people have failed to stop atrocities. We are reponsible for ourselves and accountable for our own actions.

              I am so tired of these endless circular arguments. they are so pointless.

              Do you hold all Saudi's responsible for the suicide bombers of 9/11?  All German's responsible for the holocaust/  all Israeli's for the murder of Palestininian men, women and children. Are all Protestant Irish responsible for the deaths of all Catholics? and on and on and on and on and on and on and on........

              bush has to live with himself for the reat of his life. That will be punishment enough. You do not need to atone for his crimes against humanity, unless of course yoiu condoned them, that is a different kharma.

              •  To the extent, and in the proportion, (4+ / 0-)
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                that they could have acted, YES.

                For Bush to live with his riches, laughing in our faces over what he's done to us is no punishment at all. It's letting him get away with unimaginable crimes, and letting him prosper from them.

                And for my not having put him out of the world's misery, yes, atonement is a must.

                So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

                by khereva on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:05:36 PM PST

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                •  I respect your feelings. (0+ / 0-)

                  I am still in some ways atoning for the fact that my ancestors in this country were a slave owning dynasty from the South.  I did my best to atone by telling the story openly and honestly and was expecting publication of the book early next year. The publisher, a small niche publisher from a Southern city has postponed publication because of the economic situation and parlous state of the book business.

                  I am not at all sure that the decision is only economic, i have a gut feeling it could also be political.

                  I am seriously thinking of self publishing a limuted edition of the original submitted manuscript myself. i would re-title it 'Letters To my Grandchildren from a Descendant of a Slave Owning Dynasty'.  I have started a website titled and that will be the first thing i put in it.

                  I have a contract and if he will not release me I shall have to take the consequences. But that is what i think i must do.

                  You have many opportunities for atonement if that is how you truly feel, not the least working with non governmental agencies in Iraq and Afghanistan or Darfur or other areas that desperately need help.

                  Good luck.

        •  I get the impression that you for one appreciate (1+ / 0-)
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          … just what the implications for us are if there is indeed a just G~d.

          Yuletide benefit concerts by the Dutch chorus "Nonstop"!! 12/19 in Baarn, 12/21 in Aalsmeer

          by lotlizard on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:53:02 PM PST

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  •  I would venture (1+ / 0-)
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    to say that Obama probably has more world support now than bush did after 911 which bush squandered completely.

    After 8 years of darkness, a great nation chose to reapply power to the beacon of light America stands for.

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:30:23 PM PST

    •  Makes sense (0+ / 0-)

      Then we just had their sympathy, now their interest is self-interest.  They've seen the damage an incompetent/insane U.S. president can do to the world.  Supporting the man who has a chance of undoing some of that just plain makes sense.

      I am the typo queen. Sorry in advance.

      by sadpanda on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:50:20 PM PST

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  •  Not appointing an extraction advocate to Interior (7+ / 0-)

    and not appointing a Monsanto lackey to Agriculture would be good starts.  It'd also be nice if we got an actual progressive into one of the Secretary chairs, instead of putting them at the heads of advisory or policy councils.  Even the Secretary of Education is apparently a test-addict, which is not at all what our school systems need right now.

    may you live in interesting times

    by electricgrendel on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:30:48 PM PST

  •  I want a magical unity pony... (3+ / 0-)

    And I will not cease my whining until I receive one.

  •  I'll be happy the first time (5+ / 0-)

    Obama takes a politically risky stand on some progressive issue. I'm in wait and see mode. He took some risks before the election that I found admirable and that finally won me over, but that side of him has been hard to see lately.

  •  I'm happy (2+ / 0-)

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

    by DiAnne on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:32:46 PM PST

    •  I'm happy with... (0+ / 0-)

      most of what Obama has said he wants to accomplish. I have a reservoir of trust in his judgement and ability as a result of the masterful job he did with the primary and GE campaigns - sometimes using counterintuitive strategies that turned out to work very well.

      Any reservations I have about appointments are offset by my respect for Obama's skill in the political realm. I assume he knows better than I how to accompish our mutual goals. Right now I'm watching things unfold and feeling pretty good.

      "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

      by your neighbor on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:40:25 PM PST

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  •  I want an investigation of the previous (5+ / 0-)

    administration for crimes.

  •  It's beginning to look like (2+ / 0-)
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    lotlizard, Johnny Q

    completely new leadership in Congress is what will make me happy. What we have right now is spineless, and that's being charitable.

    Some say we need a third party. I wish we had a second party. -- Jim Hightower

    by joe m on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:33:48 PM PST

  •  getting back my $$$ will make me happy (2+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie, Dems 2008

    the money I lost when I could not move out of the damn retirement acct we had our $$$ in before the market imploded.

    IF perchance a few of the issues I care about get addressed by Obama I will be thrilled but I am expecting to be overlooked, ignored and basically told to sit down and be quiet by Obama's people and pundits alike.

    sooooooo what would make me REALLY happy is if I can get a free car for bailing out the BIG THREE,  free insurance from AIG and box seats at the new CITIField, that I suppose I am really paying for by bailing at citicorp.

    "Beware the Jabberwock"

    by KnotIookin on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:33:52 PM PST

  •  I'm sick of all the Obama haters on this site! (2+ / 0-)
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  •  If he does those four things... (3+ / 0-)

    I'll put on saffron robes and spend hours a day banging a drum and burning incense in front of a photo of Obama.

    I'll go door to door passing out Obama tracts.

    I'll hang out in Harvard Square and accost people coming out of the subway with offers of a free Obama personality test.

    I expect our guy'll  give it a hell of a shot.   I expect he'll make real progress on some tough things.    But hell, he's only human.  At least that's what I think now.

    I've lost my faith in nihilism

    by grumpynerd on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:34:40 PM PST

  •  I am happy. I aaorked for and helped get (0+ / 0-)

    Obama elected. I have nothing against any of his cabinet picks.  I am under the impression that it is the President that makes the policy and the agencies under their respective heads that follow his vision.

    He has gopne out of his way to try and reassure us that is his intention.

    What I see is a lineup of people who know how to get things done, how to get along to get along, who understand both the sytem and his vision of government.

    Until something truly drastic happens i am perfectly content to let things take their couyrse, at least for the first few months.

    You will never get 'happiness' here. This blog site is hard wired to be contentious.  i can't be bothered to comment often anymore because even the mopst innocuous statement frequently leads to unwarranted abuse   and unrelated arguments.  Just not worth it, too wearing on the nerves frankly, and completrely unproductive.

  •  we should not relax and stop paying attention (1+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q

    We are happy, but we have to keep govt on their toes, and demand that they do the right thing, even if it's the guy we helped get elected.
    Afterall, lobbiests do that, corporations do that, why shouldn't we?

  •  My Quick List: (6+ / 0-)

    Here's what I want from Obama:

    1. Repeal PATRIOT Act, Military Commissions Act, and telecom immunity.
    1. End the War on Terror.
    1. Support the Employee Free Choices Act.
    1. Support Medicare for All.
    1. Support stem cell research.
    1. Support the Apollo Alliance.
    1. Revitalize and reform the economy.
    1. Support fair trade.

    Those would be nice!

  •  what would it take (5+ / 0-)

    someone who isn't beholden to corporate interests just like the Republicans. the more things change... maybe when Obama shows how little he does actually change things, some Kossacks will finally start to realize what the actual left has been saying since early in the Clinton years -- that both parties are just two wings of the same corporate party.

    that doesn't mean I'm not willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, but his appointments and actions so far do not show any semblance of being the change we so desire. and by "we" I mean the many, many Americans on the left and right that are sick of having our country run by the insurance cos and wall street and the rest of the corporate criminals abetted by our all-too-compliant government.

  •  What would make me happy (2+ / 0-)
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    the fan man, Abra Crabcakeya
    If Obama simply follows the timeline for Iraq and manages to pull us out of this depression-in-beta, I will be overjoyed.
  •  I want him to force Duncan to work naked. nt (0+ / 0-)

    And at the Festivus dinner, you gather your family around, and tell them all the ways they have disappointed you over the past year!

    by iconoclastic cat on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:44:40 PM PST

  •  You're asking the angry left to be happy?! ;-) (4+ / 0-)


  •  Yeah... (2+ / 0-)
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    iconoclastic cat, MuskokaGord

    you would think we'd be happy.

    It was inevitable, really. When the Republicans are in power, we're all focused and aligned against The Evil. But when that's not the case, it splinters, because, quite frankly, a lot of people just have to have something to bitch about.

    Personally, I'm just very thankful John McCain and Sarah Palin are not the heads of our government and I'm not going to judge Obama's administration until they've actually had a chance to DO something.

  •  Stop mountaintop removal (7+ / 0-)

    Seriously. It sucks.

    Oh, the hills are groaning with excess, like a table ceaselessly being set.

    by faithfull on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:48:17 PM PST

  •  As an African-American looking at (4+ / 0-)'s Obama as "Person of the Year" site I see so many things that remind me about how far we have come as a society, how special this year truly was for many Americans, and just how special Obama himself is.

    That website has some truly inspirational and nostalgic things:  I truly enjoyed the pics of Obama as a freshman at Occidental college where he was more "Barry" than "Barack".  I love seeing all the iconic art of Barack Obama.  I  love looking at the pics of "Obama's Nation of Hope", "From Emmitt Till to Barack Obama", etc.

    I remember the feelings I felt this past year going through Obama's campaign of the ups as well as the downs.

    WHAT A YEAR!!!

    "Because we won...we have to win." Obama - 6/6/08. WELL WE DID IT!!! 11/4/08

    by Drdemocrat on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:50:33 PM PST

  •  I have faith in the Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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    neroden, a night owl

    that they will do everything in their power to give as much grief to any Cabinet nominee Obama has picked.
    With that said it seems wise to pause and consider that maybe some of these people we believe would have been better picks just might have something in their past or present day life that would be fuel for the fires undoubtedly Rethugs will be trying to set. The Rethugs will be trying to derail nominations and slow down implementation, of Obama's proposed changes.

    How do we know that some of these we considered look over or left out were not in fact considered but had to be dropped from consideration for a valid reason?

    Just some food for thought.

  •  To Make Me Happy (5+ / 0-)

    Repeal Taft Hartley; pass the EFCA; universal health care; US out of Iraq within 18 months; no wider war in Afghanistan unless the Powell Doctrine is complied with and there is an exit strategy;; policies in place that make polluters pay for their pollution; a USDA that doesn't cater to industrial agriculture; the Kyoto Protocol complied with as part of U.S. law; repeal of Bush's repeal of the ABM treaty; cancellation of Star Wars; a 50% reduction in Defense spending; repeal of Clinton's "Welfare Reform"; renegotiation of NAFTA and WTO to include protections for labor and the environment (as Obama promised to do) with the U.S. withdrawing from those agreements if we don't get labor and environmental protections; national legislation requiring a paper trail for all voting in federal elections; prosecution of people who tortured others and/or who violated FISA.

    That's a start.  I don't care who he appoints to implement this agenda, but I have to say that I don't have a lot of confidence that any of the people he has appointed will be pressuring him to do any of these things.  In fact, I expect the opposite to be true.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:57:40 PM PST

  •  Sometimes I'm just filled with glee (2+ / 0-)
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    wmtriallawyer, Goldie Taylor

    thinking about the fact that Obama actually won the election.

    Sprinkles make the cupcake, don't you think?

    by Lazar on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 01:58:25 PM PST

  •  Universal Single-Payer Healthcare (3+ / 0-)
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    neroden, Abra Crabcakeya, Johnny Q

    For anyone (ANYONE!) inside the US for any reason.

  •  Me happy? 1) Everyone who disagrees with me run (1+ / 0-)
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    Dems 2008

    straight up to the guillotines 2) population of Earth reduced to about 10% of current level, for sustainable occupation by humans. 3) return to Mesolithic culture.

  •  Repudiate torture and (7+ / 0-)

    reign in the CIA black ops.

    Stop the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and don't start any others.

    Work on Universal single payer health CARE (not insurance).

    The economy will have to be reinvented locally.  It is going nowhere until the US is a sustainable country. the elites...actually believe that society can be destroyed by anyone except those who lead them? - John Ralston Saul -

    by Silverbird on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:08:27 PM PST

  •  Single Payer. (4+ / 0-)

    Because any other kind of "universal heath care" is a just another bandaid on the gaping wound of free market failure.

  •  We are reality based not faith based (4+ / 0-)

    Not faith in Obama.  Not faith in anyone.

    The evidence, as you might say, is that he is choosing people who, overall, can be labeled as "more of the same."  When he chooses insiders, he's going down the wrong path.  And I think that will ultimately hurt people.  Re-tracing your steps and starting over is never fun nor easy to do.

    I guess that's why I'm not happy.  So, if you want to address this you can.  But just don't tell me not to  worry, be happy.

    Of the people, by the people, for the people.

    by Publius2008 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:14:54 PM PST

  •  Obama got my vote... (10+ / 0-)

    ... only after McCain nominated Palin.  I couldn't take a chance that anyone that stupid would be one old man's heartbeat from the prez office.  I knew over a year ago that Obama did not support impeachment, my #1 issue, and the first position I checked on as each candidate announced her/his run for prez, so he never had my support in the first place, nor did anyone else who didn't support impeachment; only Kucinich fit that bill.  So, I was once again in a position of voting for anybody but the Repuke.  I wanted to vote my conscience for a change.  I was originally planning on writing in Kucinich's name (his impeachment support and filing the impeachment resolutions means he puts his money where his mouth is; his not-for-profit health care plan was better, too).

    So, Obama got my vote, but not without reservations.

    What would it take to make me happy about Obama?

    (1) Far fewer DINOs in the future cabinet (I'd prefer none, but some have already been appointed).  We don't need more of the same people who always voted for anything Georgie and Dickie demanded.  We so need some fresh political blood to rid us of the institutionalized incest of politicians and corporations and PACs.

    (2) Instant repealing of the Patriot Acts, MCA '06, and the last FISA fiasco (which Obama voted in favor of, much to the ire of many even on this web site).

    (3) Obama signing the US back on to the World Court on the afternoon of 20 January '09, right after he gives his inaugural address.  Our Congress Critters and our future Prez and VP are too chickenshit to impeach or even investigate and charge Dickie and Georgie with crimes to which they've already admitted, so let the World Court try them for crimes against humanity (torture) and war crimes.  We NEED to hold the lying criminals accountable!  We NEED justice for the dead who died in vain, and those who were maimed for life for lies for oil and oil corporations.  Letting them all walk without punishment is simply not acceptable.  Half hearted "Congressional investigations" where none of the hard-hitting questions are asked and findings are laughable in their mildness is not acceptable.

    (4) We are not going to get universal health CARE under Obama; hasn't anyone figured that out yet?  We are going to be given a choice of which health or medical insurance companies to pay premiums to, but the actual health CARE itself is not going to approach being a right; it's still going to be a privilege... as long as one has health insurance through a government-approved insurance company, because our Congress Critters can't give up their corporate and PAC money.  My daydream is to see the same kind of free health care that the Scandinavians have (free from cradle to grave; additionally, both parents have the option of taking one or two years paid leave at a reduced salary when a new child is born, and if someone needs to take care of an ailing relative, the leave for that is paid; childcare is also free for working parents... and education is free from kindergarten through college).  But that remains a daydream and it will never happen in my lifetime; America is not civilized enough to pay for health care and education for every person... while reducing the military budget to less than half of our national budget.

    (5) Getting out of Iraq far sooner than 2011.  We could have all our troops out in the same orderly fashion they went in, and in the same short amount of time it took them to get there originally.  Something like six months or less.  We don't need to send them to Afghanistan.  In both cases, we need to declare a cessation of hostilities and withdraw.  In the case of Iraq, there's no "winning" anything because "victory" is not possible in the commission of a war crime.  We had UN permission to go to Afghanistan, but OBL is likely dead, and every army since Alexander the Great has been defeated in the mountains of Afghanistan.  Withdraw all troops.  Period.  Obama has said the first order he will sign is to close Gitmo on his first day in office.  Let's hope he keeps that promise at least.


    by NonnyO on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:15:59 PM PST

    •  Oh, and #6 (4+ / 0-)
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      DelRPCV, chuckvw, khereva, Johnny Q

      Obama told the reichwingnuts he plans to adopt, fund, and expand Bush's "faith-based initiative" program.  This must not happen!  We can't afford it anyway.  I was horrified when I heard a constitutional scholar, no less, say he'll so freely vacate the First Amendment's separation of church and state.  That was right after he voted in favor of FISA, and the violation of the Fourth Amendment.

      I don't give a damn what excuse he gives, but funding faith-based anything will only see the funds used against us for political gain, further erode the separation of church and state, and keep religious reichwingnuts interfering with the political processes with one foot in the back door of government.


      by NonnyO on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:30:46 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for that list. Very results-oriented. (2+ / 0-)
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      NonnyO, khereva

      I hope as many people as possible stay focused on results, as opposed to arguments that amount to mere "brand loyalty."

      Yuletide benefit concerts by the Dutch chorus "Nonstop"!! 12/19 in Baarn, 12/21 in Aalsmeer

      by lotlizard on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:40:11 PM PST

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    •  Plus serious, head-turning action on global (3+ / 0-)
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      neroden, NonnyO, khereva

      warming, of course.

      The difficult I'll do right now. The impossible will take a little longer. - ? (Billie Holiday lyric & WWII Army Corp Engineers motto, per Paul Rogat Loeb)

      by Words In Action on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:47:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  That, too.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Sorry, my head 'sploded when I went to check the home page and found out Rick Warren has been asked to give a prayer at the inauguration.

        I'd like to see some action regarding energy - forcing car manufacturers to get better gas mileage, use alternative non-polluting energy.  Ethanol/biofuels are only practical up to the point of one good drought or flood and lack of a harvest or a fire destroying thousands of acres of crops, so that's not terribly reliable.

        I see what people are doing with wind and solar energy in Europe, and the US is lagging far behind them.  It's not possible to have "clean" coal technology, and I don't trust nuclear energy because the waste is hazardous.  The safer and more reliable technologies involve solar and wind energy... but they're cheap to produce, so the f**king corporations wouldn't be making mega-bucks in promoting it, I believe.

        I think it's Montana's governor who mentioned the wind technology that could be used to such advantage there; there are places in Montana where the wind comes off the mountains and it literally never stops blowing (I had relatives who lived in a place where the wind never stopped - it might slow at times, but the wind was always blowing).  The only thing lacking is the wiring structures to transport the energy to a power plant.  That could be done without much difficulty, I would think.

        I'm thinking the only thing holding up any wind, solar, or other alternate forms of energy is the corporations who don't want to develop them because they haven't found a way to sucker us into paying a small fortune for free energy from the sun or the wind - radio and television waves are supposed to be owned by us, too, but they now have cable for TV and a subscriber's version of radio to sucker us into paying for (I refuse to pay for ads I can get for free with rabbit ears).  If solar panels and wind turbines were mass produced, the price would go down....


        by NonnyO on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:12:52 PM PST

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        •  Nailed it. p.s., always like your sig lines. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          The difficult I'll do right now. The impossible will take a little longer. - ? (Billie Holiday lyric & WWII Army Corp Engineers motto, per Paul Rogat Loeb)

          by Words In Action on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:20:24 PM PST

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          •  :-) Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

            This will be my new one next year:

            "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." ~ Denis Diderot (1713-1784)

            Once inauguration day is past, I plan to use the Diderot quote for my sig line.  I have a draft page with a very long list of quotes that can be used as sig lines, but for right now, at this time in America, Diderot is appropriate.

            I like your sig line, too!  :-)


            by NonnyO on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:33:03 PM PST

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            •  I remember that one! Thanks for the reminder, (1+ / 0-)
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              it's an oldie but a goodie, and so appropriate in these times...

              The difficult I'll do right now. The impossible will take a little longer. - ? (Billie Holiday lyric & WWII Army Corp Engineers motto, per Paul Rogat Loeb)

              by Words In Action on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:47:19 PM PST

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  •  Thank you. (3+ / 0-)

    I understand how everyone has an opinion -- and how here at DK, everyone wants to express it.  But I'm beginning to believe that some democrats will never be happy.  

    We've just elected an incredible person to be our next president, and all some people want to do is bitch & whine.

    I've spent the last 8 years being pissed & cynical.  I'm ready to lighten up & enjoy what we accomplished & what our new president can do.

    •  Time for Zen ; too much sin. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Some may never be happy. Me, I want results, (3+ / 0-)
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      and not simply feel-good kabuki.

      I have been happy, or more specifically relieved, to see McCain lose.

      In order to stop being cynical, I want to see my cynicism no longer capable of predicting DC actions with 100% accuracy. Let's see some concrete results that reward hopeful thinking.

      Some will hold up Obama's election as a concrete result; I was told this when Pelosi became Speaker and we won both houses of Congress, too. That... didn't pan out, for which reason I am unwilling to accept Obama's election as a "concrete result."

      Laws repealed, or passed and enforced, troops removed, health care enacted and enjoyed. Those count.

      So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

      by khereva on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:58:42 PM PST

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      •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

        Obama's election was just the beginning.  

        Laws repealed, or passed and enforced, troops removed, health care enacted and enjoyed. Those count.

        But there isn't much Obama can really do until Jan. 20, 2009.  

        •  There is much. Very much. (0+ / 0-)

          To begin with, he can outline the goals, and build the alliances in Congress that will implement those goals.

          And I hold him accountable for doing so, outranking him as I do. You know. By being a citizen.

          So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

          by khereva on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:46:01 PM PST

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  •  You forgot Climate Change, which is where (2+ / 0-)
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    a couple of his weaker appointments have been at the EPA (Lisa Jackson/Johnson?) and Interior (Salazar), both of whom apparently have a history of being close to industry.

    The difficult I'll do right now. The impossible will take a little longer. - ? (Billie Holiday lyric & WWII Army Corp Engineers motto, per Paul Rogat Loeb)

    by Words In Action on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:20:47 PM PST

  •  trick question, right? (3+ / 0-)
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    We're not happy unless we have something to bitch and moan about.

  •  No clear vision from Obama (0+ / 0-)

    Positives: Clinton, Rahm, Chu, etc
    Negatives: Gates, Vilsack=GM, slapping GLBT in the face with Warren, etc

    Through a glass darkly!

    Well? Shall we go? Yes, let's go - a new dawn rises.

    by whenwego on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:28:20 PM PST

  •  If Obama would pick the puppy for his daughters (2+ / 0-)
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    already so that I don't have to hear anything else about that "story" I'd be thrilled.  

    Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

    by LionelEHutz on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:41:01 PM PST

  •  a Platonic and admittedly unattainable wishlist (10+ / 0-)

    off the top of my head and in no particular order:

    1. Universal Health Care and the total elimation of for-profit insurance companies
    1. Increasing the number of seats in the House of Representatives to better reflect population density
    1. Defense Budget cut by 50%
    1. Abolition of corporate personhood
    1. Madoff and anyone who looks like him in prison for the rest of their lives.
    1. End drug prohibition
    1. Reimplementation of Glass-Steagal, plus the wholesale public shaming of the financial services industry now and forever... useless parasites all (check Leonard Mlodinow's new book for the math on this ;-) )
    1. Seriously-- white collar hustlers and plutocrats in prison for the rest of their lives.
    1. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales et al in prison for the rest of their lives.
    1. passage of the Employee Free Choice Act
    1. Vastly higher taxes on corporations and the wealthy
    1. Strict laws against media consolidation.

    And that's only scratching the surface.

  •  Disappointed in these last two -Vilsack (2+ / 0-)

    and Salazar. Did we really need Salazar? And to put that seat in jeopardy?

    But, overall... I'm a happy, contented camper and have said so previously...

    Oh How Happy! My Dems have made me.

    <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

    by bronte17 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:43:05 PM PST

  •  People know what I want . (3+ / 0-)
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    Its the Number One question people have for Obama.

    I am NOT asking for much, but people with stupid ideas where knowledge should be pooh-pooh the idea ignorantly.

    It's not acceptable for people to believe that stupid shit, any more than we should have to listen to how the world is 6000 years old.

    You really should feel embarrassed to be so backwards.

  •  Over-expectation has never been the (0+ / 0-)

    problem. After all, it took eight years of utter hell for this country to wake up and elect Obama.

    Now everyone thinks it's time to go to sleep, as if Obama got elected by himself and can solve all the problems by himself, too.

    The difficult I'll do right now. The impossible will take a little longer. - ? (Billie Holiday lyric & WWII Army Corp Engineers motto, per Paul Rogat Loeb)

    by Words In Action on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:46:02 PM PST

  •  We have a monstrously awful economy - a crisis (2+ / 0-)
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    we haven't seen in our lifetimes, period.

    If he figures a way to set us on the right path out of this, I'll be thrilled.  

    This election was about big things, but this site seems intent on making it about minutiae.

    I'm shocked to learn that 1 in 12 Americans do not know that the bird, is in fact, that word.

    by dansac on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:46:29 PM PST

    •  The devil is always in the details and those he (0+ / 0-)

      appoints will be handling those. This place is an open asylum, that's what I like about it.

      Sig line for sale- inquire at

      by the fan man on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:50:51 PM PST

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      •  No, in this case the devil isn't in the details (0+ / 0-)

        It's the big picture, we can't sweat the small stuff.

        I used to love this place.  I've been here for 6 years.  I might be nearing my end.

        I'm shocked to learn that 1 in 12 Americans do not know that the bird, is in fact, that word.

        by dansac on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:52:10 PM PST

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        •  Do people get hyper about small stuff? Sure. Are (2+ / 0-)
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          chuckvw, Johnny Q

          cabinet appointments "small stuff". Hell no. We spent a good deal of time analyzing Bush's appointments, with good reason. Our window of opportunity to get this right is very small. For instance, was it a great move to put Chu in charge of energy policy. God damn yeah. People here were excited. Agriculture ties into many problems facing this country, the appointment was important. A lot of people were disappointed with his pick. That's all..

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          by the fan man on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:03:21 PM PST

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        •  I guess that depends on your definition of small (0+ / 0-)


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          by chuckvw on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:45:29 PM PST

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  •  Too rational a diary (2+ / 0-)
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    wmtriallawyer, Jampacked

    I'd rather spend the next four years whining that we're doomed.  

  •  What would make me happy? (7+ / 0-)
    1. Bush and his cronies tried, convicted, hanged, and their heads mounted on the White House fence as a warning to the rest that law still exists.
    1. All US troops out of Iraq, within six months. Remaining US troops out of the Middle East withing the next six months.
    1. Single payer universal health care. We own AIG now. Put them to work on it.
    1. Re-regulation of the financial sector, and recovery of funds from the robber barons who've plundered us.
    1. The passage of an amendment guaranteeing equality of civil and marriage rights to all Americans, regardless of sex, gender, sexual orientation, or any other tortuous permutation of the language.

    So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

    by khereva on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:49:07 PM PST

  •  I'd be happy with peace and prosperity. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, I don't have higher priorities for gay marriage and organic food, but I could just use a breather from war and being broke.

    Maybe I'm setting the bar low, but right now I could care less about what Bush did and getting revenge. I don't give a shit about the Patriot Act. I don't give a rats ass about gay marriage. And I couldn't care two shits about lobbyists, election reform, global warming, or any such fuckery. Let that stuff wait for Obama part II.

    Right now, lets just get back to normal economic growth and no deaths of our soldiers.

    With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

    by brooklynbadboy on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:51:05 PM PST

  •  Nationwide legalization or decriminalization (0+ / 0-)

    of marijuana. Can we start concentrating on the stuff that does the REAL damage, and let people smoke in peace, please?

    Outside of that, your top four pretty much sum it up nicely.

    Outside of that, I am counting the days until Manchester United get a new sponsor so I can rock a new jersey that doesn't have AIG plastered all over the front of it.

  •  I really think (1+ / 0-)
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    the problem is not so much that people are already criticizing, though I personally think we might give him a little space until he takes office, but the big problem (and it often affects the readability of the site) is that kossacks tend to be emotional people and they dig in their heels when someone disagrees and nobody knows how to move on, so it gets crazy.

    Every day is the Gunfight at the OK Corral around here.

  •  Social Justice. (2+ / 0-)
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    I will settle for nothing less.  Social Justice was not achieved on November 4th, and I will keep fighting for it.  

    When every person has access to healthcare, is fed, clothed, has educational opportunities, and is treated equally in all aspects of society, When the Earth is cared for, When people stop using capitalism, racism, and religion as excuses to hurt each other, When we have peace on Earth.  Until that day, I will never rest.

    "Peace cannot be kept by force, it can only be kept by understanding." ~Albert Einstein

    by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:54:58 PM PST

  •  A Lockian/Jeffersonian thought (0+ / 0-)

    For me, there is too much going on to expect that happiness can simply just happen because events happen to go my way.  I try to pursue it in the sense of John Locke/T. Jefferson, and to live as contently as I can.

  •  What would make me happy? (2+ / 0-)
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    I want extensive stem cell research to focus on a cure for Muscular Dystrophy, the disease that is slowly killing our son.
    President Elect Obama cares very much for this issue and Bless him always for giving us what little hope we have.
    Thanks wmtriallawyer, for this diary and for asking.

    *a hundred years from now, the future may be different because I was important in the life of a child*

    by bonesy on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:55:33 PM PST

  •  I'm glad you're happy and satisfied (4+ / 0-)

    with a cabinet that includes more Republicans than New Deal/Great Society traditional Democrats.

    BTW, I will keep in mind that in four years you say we'll have:

      1. Our economy turns around

      2. We are out of Iraq

      3. We are on the way to energy independence

      4. We have universal healthcare

    I may feel called upon to remind you of that.  Given that none of the personnel Obama has appointed have ever voiced any commitment to any of those goals, I suggest they're not very likely, and are more what we used to call "pie in the sky."

    This sig line is in foreclosure. For details on acquiring a credit default swap on this sig line, contact H. Paulson, Dept of the Treasury, c/o Goldman, Sachs

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:57:01 PM PST

  •  I am (0+ / 0-)

    ITEOTWAWKI and I feel fine!

    'Course I've been called a Pollyanna, and drive my hubby crazy because I never get jealous (he does)

    Let's just sit back and give the guy a chance!

    "Blessed are the Peacemakers" - Jesus

    by SisTwo on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:57:59 PM PST

  •  I think I may love you. I felt the same way. (1+ / 0-)
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    The time for bitching has passed.  Change isnt something to be passive about - you have to dig in and that means all of us, and that means you have to do more than type comments (although that has a purpose), it is more than getting out the vote and voting, (although that is key) you have to dig in.

    I dig in.  

    Go dig in.  Volunteer.

    "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Dr, Martin Luther King Jr.

    by ChicagoMom60660 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:58:23 PM PST

  •  When humans travel into space as one people, (0+ / 0-)

    united, after we've achieved social justice, and peace on Earth, or come pretty close to it.

    "Peace cannot be kept by force, it can only be kept by understanding." ~Albert Einstein

    by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:59:13 PM PST

  •  I'll be happy when... (3+ / 0-)

    There's not a single child starving in the world, no one is jobless or working a soul-destroying job, no one is dying from curable illness, everyone is decently educated, no one is at war -- and probably a number of other things.

    Yes, I will never be happy -- politically, anyway.  C'est la vie.  But my dissatisfaction will make the world a better place.

  •  Free range chickens or bust! (2+ / 0-)
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    If that doesn't happen then I will hold my breath!!!

    When we got into office, the thing that surprised me most was to find that things were just as bad as we'd been saying they were. -JFK

    by optimusprime on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:02:05 PM PST

  •  If Obama does those four things (3+ / 0-)

    or even three out of four he ought to go up on Mt.Rushmore after he is re-elected with all the votes of the Electoral College.

    And for the record I am already happy, Rick Warren and all.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:03:51 PM PST

  •  Shoe-ducking is always good for a laugh (0+ / 0-)

    "Just to be clear, what I mean by the shock doctrine, as you know, is the use of crisis to push through unpopular pro-corporate policies." Naomi Klein

    by eroded47095 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:05:55 PM PST

  •  What is this "happy" you speak of? (2+ / 0-)
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    Panda, dgone36

    Perfectionists are never satisfied.  I'd just like to see things start moving in the right direction.  Truth, justice and civil liberties for all.

    I've been turned into such a cynic by politics that I really don't expect much.  What I really want to see is a good faith effort to do the right thing.  I don't really have any big problems with his cabinet appts, these are the people he's gonna have to work with so I'll defer to his better judgement, which has been remarkably good so far.

    Where I start to get exasperated is when Obama starts to play politics with principles, like with the FISA fiasco.  It's the "politics as usual" crap that he promised to do away with that ends up sticking to the bottom of his shoe from time to time.

    I'm a realist and I know that there's only so much one person can do, even as POTUS, but after reading Obama's books and scrutinizing his actions over the last year or so, I still have more hope invested in him than I probably ought.  I know he's gotta do the ugly business of politics every now and then, but I don't like it any better when he does it than I did before.

    I consider myself an Agnostic because the only thing I believe in less than God is certainty.

    by aztronut on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:06:17 PM PST

  •  I'm not on Team Kool-Aid this time. (6+ / 0-)
    Monsanto is an enemy of the human race. Period.

    Anyone with even a cursory understanding of what Monsanto is doing to the very right of human beings to grow their own food, and continues to support them, even carry water for them in Congress, is just as guilty.

    What it would take to make me happy with regard to companies like Monsanto violates the "fire in a crowded theater" exception to the 1st Amendment, so no dice on that one. Sorry.

    To be human in 2008 is to rise in defense of the planet we have known and the civilization it has spawned.

    by beatpanda on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:07:59 PM PST

  •  Out and out bullshit. (7+ / 0-)

    WM, I like your writing. But this lie that cabinet positions don't matter is crap and portrays either a complete ignorance as to how the US government functions or a willingness to cover over the crap you don't like to make it all appear shiny and new.

    Today we get Warren, on top of Frankenfood Fanboy Vilsack at USDA.

    Cabinet appointments matter, and the tone deafness of the Warren pick given what is happen in CA is just insane.

    Sit in the corner and think happy happy thoughts until the liberal version of the rapture comes and sweeps you away to the land of marshmallows if you want. But when Obama makes piss poor calls, and today has had several of them, he will get called on it. Doing otherwise is to just be a blind cheerleader.

    "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon

    by Windowdog on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:09:11 PM PST

  •  Criticism (3+ / 0-)
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    illdemforchange, h bridges, Johnny Q

    is not "undercutting."

    We have had eight years of a country ruled by yes men.  I suspect Mr. Obama can defend his policies, especially from vigorous questioning from the left.

  •  I want my mommy ... (0+ / 0-)

    Wahh ...

    Wahh ...

    Wahh ...

  •  Putting aside the condenscending and insulting... (6+ / 0-)

    tone of the diary, I believe it is absolutely appropriate to criticize Obama's decisions.  I voted for him and am proud that the country elected him. All that gave him a honeymoon of about 15 minutes.  Now we (progressives) have to deal with a moderate democrat (Obama) leading a profoundly compromised (i.e. spineless & corrupt) democratic party.

    I want to see bush and his gang in prison, the restoration of the constitution, the immediate withdrawl of our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, I want to see the "war on terror" be a police, not a military, action.  I want to see middle class and below receive mass assistance and let the rich sink into oblivion.  I also want the democrats to completely smash the republican party (fuck bipartisanship), in the hopes that it will dry up and blow away.  Then we can talk about Universal Health Care.

    Obama will only consider these actions if I and others make it mandatory, thru agitation, that he pay attention to these issues and respond.

    I do not trust any politician to represent my issues unless she/he are absolutely compelled to do so.

    Also Obama seems like a very decent man, which is great.  The last decent man we had as president was Carter and he totally got played.  If Obama is going to succeed as president he's going to need us on the left to be loud, demanding, and uncompromising.  

    A million + dead in Iraq by our hand.

    by rubine on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:17:52 PM PST

    •  You're a jerk. (0+ / 0-)

      I want to see middle class and below receive mass assistance and let the rich sink into oblivion.  I also want the democrats to completely smash the republican party (fuck bipartisanship), in the hopes that it will dry up and blow away.  Then we can talk about Universal Health Care.

      What is this crap?

      Go back in your playpen.

      Adults are trying to get things done here.

      •  You are skating on the edge of hide worthy (1+ / 0-)
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        by chuckvw on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:54:29 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Dear asshole, the diary asked what folks... (2+ / 0-)
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        truong son traveler, The Movac

        who are willing to be critical of Obama wanted Obama to do, I responded with honesty, expressing my personal views.  In the presidential election I contributed to Obama's campaign financially and by volunteering my time.  I have fought for progressive causes all of my life.  I have more then earned the right to criticize any politician.

        Let's pretend you are an "adult", what are you trying to get done here?

        A million + dead in Iraq by our hand.

        by rubine on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:55:47 PM PST

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  •  I'm giving Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt (2+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie, Jampacked

    short of naming Rev. Dobson or his followers to the continuing Faith based Initiative office, I've got his back...

    oh, wait, he did what?

    I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's. - Mark Twain

    by route66 on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:20:26 PM PST

  •  I want a war crimes Tribunal (3+ / 0-)
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    chuckvw, Panda, Johnny Q

    I want life imprisonment or the Guillotine. I would be happy with either if they are found guilty. More with the former.. The last is a bit drastic..

  •  Universal health care still a long, long way off (1+ / 0-)
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    Lobbyists have seen to that.  

    Health care in the economic stimulus package is going to include $50 billion for health information technology (in spite of inadequate legal protection for medical privacy)  and money to reauthorize SCHIP, with no eligibility expansions.  

    No funding to help uninsured adults who don't have minor children, or even for public hospitals who must assume the cost of caring for the uninsured.

    The only glimmer of hope is the possibility of funds for "help" with COBRA payments for those who lose their jobs.

    And news from the Hill is that there won't be a vote on comprehensive health care reform until 2010.

    The second item on my list is for economic recovery, but that doesn't look likely given the above problems in dealing with the health care crisis.

  •  I'm actually quite happy. (4+ / 0-)
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    canyonrat, socratic, Panda, Jampacked

    I'm less concerned with WHO he appoints to various cabinets than what they will do when they're in office.

    If obama can keep his cabinet on track and fufil his promises I"ll be even happier.

    You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

    by DawnG on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:28:30 PM PST

    •  I am a cynic (0+ / 0-)

      so if Obama enacts even 20% of his agenda and suffers only one major scandal, well, I'll be dancing in the streets.

      Sad how low my standards are, I know.

      baseless outrage : Republicans :: tuna : my cat

      by socratic on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:33:31 PM PST

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  •  Quite a few of "us"? (0+ / 0-)

    Who is "us", kimosabe? Got a mouse in your pocket?

    You have a problem with my opinions? Three guesses what you can do to yourself, and the first two don't count.

    Take your I-am-the-people attitude and shove it.

    •  Three guesses, eh? (2+ / 0-)
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      1. Kimosabe means "trusty scout," not "witty come-back."  Maybe that's quaint in whatever circles you run in, but where I come from it's a sign of a lack of imagination.
      1. "Us" would be the diarist, me, and the hundreds of other commentators here wondering just what the hell your problem is.
      1. I don't get the three guesses joke.  Is there a punchline somewhere that I missed?  Anyways, here's my three guesses: (i) eat some pasta; (ii) run on the treadmill; (iii) laugh at random kossacks who take themselves and rec'd diaries too seriously.
      1. Thanks for making the diarist's point for him.  Now shouldn't you be organizing a Democracy for America meeting somewhere?

      The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. - MD Constitution

      by docciavelli on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 10:09:35 PM PST

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  •  "Who on your team wasn't dead wrong about Iraq?" (3+ / 0-)
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    We absolutely mustn't lower standards to accomodate Obama.  

    He can answer this simple question - intended for McCain, Bush and Carly Fiorina during the election, back when credibility, accountability and attention to history were considered critical:

    "Is there anyone on your current team who wasn't dead wrong about Iraq?"

    Now of course, Obama might honestly answer:
    "Just one: Me."
    And at least we'd have an answer.  But I'd prefer he enlighten us some great Iraq and Afghanistan advice he might get from someone else on his team - or why does he have it?  Will it come from Hillary, Gates, Jones, or - who?

    The same should be asked about the economy: who on his team was prescient about the debt swap and mortgage problems?  Do advisors like Larry Summers and Robert Rubin (who claimed in March 08 that the economy was fine) really inspire confidence, or are we supposed to look the other way because we love Obama?

    I may sound like a grouse.  But wouldn't it be more disturbing if even before the inauguration, I lowered the standards I was holding Republicans to in June, just so Obama could pass the test?

    •  Exactly! What's all this "innocent until proven (1+ / 0-)
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      guilty" crap. We already know about their awful records; complicity at best. Then he appoints THEM over the krugman's (I'm not saying krugman, but someone who at least saw something coming). People don't realize that clinton had just as much to do with this mess as Reagan and Bush and picking from his stale centrist leftovers is not what I voted for.

      "There are some things I don't understand. I don't understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11." - Next POTUS Obama

      by Cleopatra on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:50:28 PM PST

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  •  I'm not unhappy (1+ / 0-)
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    I simply want a government that is not for all intent and purpose a theocracy. I want a secular government. I want to feel as if Atheists, like myself, and my gay brethren are not the only socially excluded or ostracized groups in this great American experiment.

    Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.- BHO

    by valadon on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 03:38:26 PM PST

  •  Why wait to criticize? (2+ / 0-)
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    condorcet, Cleopatra

    Everything is being locked in right now for the next 4-8 years.  

  •  ((sigh)) (8+ / 0-)

    I'm actually totally happy.  My goal leading up to the election was to get Obama elected and also to expand our majorities in Congress.  Check and check.

    As to the rest of the hand-wringing - seriously - to each his/her own.  But wouldn't it make just a skosh of sense to wait until there are actual policies and then do what we do and have done all along - act.  Be activists.  Call our Congresspeople. Work on the next wave of Democrats that get us closer.  Flood switchboards and email inboxes.  But right now - we're just screaming into a windtunnel as I see it.

  •  No Rick Warren. (2+ / 0-)
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    bigchin, Cleopatra

    I rec'd this diary earlier because I thought you're right, Bill ... until I saw that Rick Warren is to bestow his blessings on Obama and the crowds. I had thought of going to the inauguration but that idea is gone now - I'm pretty sure Obama would be happier if I stay away.

    BTW: I am not gay and this is not especially a LGBT thing, although I think Prop 8 was disgusting. Simply put, any friend of slick rick is no friend of mine.
    Obama's finally jumped the shark with regard to me.

    Fuck him. Fuck em both.

    You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

    by Clem Yeobright on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:02:13 PM PST

    •  There are no "friends" in Washington (1+ / 0-)
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      Warren was not invited as a friend. Its strategic.

      Warren craves publicity and approval from the political class. Down the road, Obama will have chips he can cash in, because of this.

      I don't like Warren myself but American politics swings like a pendulum. Bush/Rove foresaw a permanent Republican majority and pushed too far Right and that pendulum swung back giving Obama a landslide win.

      Now, if we are to keep that pendulum from swinging back Right for as long as possible, we need to be coy and canny, and win victories that are underneath the radar, that move the Overton Window without the Right being fully aware the window is being moved.

      Health care crisis in a nutshell: Too much is expended on "managing" & too little on "caregiving"

      by Bill White on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:05:45 PM PST

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      •  When you accept his blessing (0+ / 0-)

        you accept his withdrawal of his blessing next year.

        The only movement here is a big bowel movement by Obama on his supporters.

        You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

        by Clem Yeobright on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:08:25 PM PST

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        •  Heh! This sort of attitude is why progressives (2+ / 0-)
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          Clem Yeobright, NuttyProf

          don't remain in power even after rare wins with any good being done getting undone a few years later.

          Anyway, Warren's selection is 100% about abortion politics and undermining the Pro-Lifers ability to vilify Obama as a rallying point. If Obama is an evil baby-killer, then WTF is Rick Warren doing accepting the offer?

          I betcha Alan Keyes (for example) condemns Warren for accepting Obama's offer.

          The Religious Right has been a staunch ally of the Republicans, for money, votes and volunteers. Warren's choice will confuse and weaken their ability to be anti-Obama.

          = = =

          Oh, and the more angry and vocal you are, the better this strategy will work for Obama.

          Underneath all that lofty rhetoric, Obama groks Machiavelli.

          Health care crisis in a nutshell: Too much is expended on "managing" & too little on "caregiving"

          by Bill White on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:29:25 PM PST

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          •  Rove NEVER would have thought of this! (0+ / 0-)

            Obama out-roves Rove. Gee, that gives me a warm feeling.

            You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

            by Clem Yeobright on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:32:12 PM PST

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            •  Obama is not soft & his political skills include (3+ / 0-)
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              a cold blooded attitude rare for any Democrat.

              Contrast Jimmy Carter, probably the most decent, most intelligent and most truly Christian President we've ever had and yet that shyster Reagan beat him.

              Obama's been thinking about how he'd have beaten Reagan, if he had the chance. And splintering the Religious Right is an altogether good thing, if he cn do it. If Rick Warren and Barack Obama have a series of civil "we agree to disagree" conversations about Roe v Wade then that issue shall be DEAD to the Republicans and the Rove-ian coalition shall be shattered beyond repair.

              Going to Saddleback Church is a "aim dead center of mass" type of maneuver.

              Health care crisis in a nutshell: Too much is expended on "managing" & too little on "caregiving"

              by Bill White on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM PST

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    •  THAT'S the most important thing to you? (0+ / 0-)

      A meaningless ceremonial role on one day for 5 minutes for Warren, and you abandon Obama and everything he campaigned for?

      Jesus, that's not just fucking stupid, it's the most absurd thing I've heard in months.

      I finally put in a signature!

      by Boris Godunov on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:54:56 PM PST

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  •  chocolate (1+ / 0-)
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    In all seriousness, I appreciate the diary.

    I share some of the confusion, because the Obama supporters I know in person are happy.

    In fact, they're ecstatic. People are still talking about the election.

    So what would make me happy, personally? I wouldn't give a laundry list of policies up front, rather, I'd say what would make me happy would be for our leaders, in both Congress and the Executive Branch, to publicly explain why they reach the conclusions they reach. I don't expect to agree every time, or even most of the time. What I expect is for someone to be able to explain, and defend, their reasoning. That's the only way to run a democracy; the minority has to have some confidence that the majority is operating in good faith, because we're all in the minority on some things.

    And yet, it sure seems like people aren't very happy right now around here. Even though the man hasn't been sworn in yet.

    I don't really follow why a sense of urgency about all the stuff to do in our country means people aren't happy about the election results.

    A lot of this centers around cabinet appointments.  Suffice to say, I don't take much stock in the huffing and puffing over who gets what pick.  Obama says the change starts and ends with him, and as of right now, I have no reason to believe otherwise.  He will direct and guide the policy.

    I don't know why you equate huffing and puffing to being unhappy with the election result. Why can't we both be happy he was elected and unhappy he is keeping Secretary Gates? I don't understand the conflict. It's fine for you to say appointments are irrelevant, just like it's fine for other people to say they are important.

    MY question is for those attacking the picks as a full out betrayal...what, in four years time in an Obama administration, will make you happy?

    I don't feel a betrayal, so I'll let those people speak for themselves. I've always thought Obama was less anti-war and more welcoming of corporate influence and more involved with the Party establishment than his public persona. I also understand Obama simply has other interests besides my top priorities.

    Because frankly? Obama will be our President for four years.  And given his historic victory, I'm betting on four more right now. Especially if the following happen in the next four years:

      1. Our economy turns around

      2. We are out of Iraq

      3. We are on the way to energy independence

      4. We have universal healthcare

    I would agree Obama will be elected by a landslide in 2012, much like Clinton in 1996 where Dole never had a chance even though he did win several states that just aren't voting for a Democrat any time soon.

    But it becomes very interesting when you look at those policy areas, because the campaign was purposefully vague on specific policies.

    1. How's that accountability working in EESA? Who's paying for all those bailouts?
    1. Obama's anti-war speech was before he went to the Senate. To this day, he does not advocate removing all DOD expenditures from Iraq. Indeed, it appears he wants to leave tens of thousands of active duty and contractor personnel in Iraq indefinitely.
    1. What does that mean? We basically have to wait and see. There are so many options; everybody is for putting us on a path to energy independence. Haven't you heard drill baby drill?
    1. Obama specifically rejects single payer health insurance. The reasoning is unfortunately less specific.

    Those were the four major priorities Obama set out when he ran.  I'd say the economy is paramount right now, and if in four years time he turns it around? Sorry, GOP.  Anybody you put up will be crushed.

    This is part of what would make me happy, other things the campaign wasn't focused on. I think things like fixing our election system, impeachment/accountability for lawbreaking, and ending the drug war are some of our most pressing issues.

    It's time to face some reality, and rather than tear our hair out over some perceived Obama betrayal, put on the table right now from a comphrehensive policy standpoint what, exactly, will make you happy four years now.  

    Because until that happens, the rest of this stuff is just window dressing.  Obama is appointing competent professionals.  Over 70% of the country agrees with his picks.  70%! Over 80% are happy with the transition so far.

    Those of you in the minority...tell us what will make you happy.  

    Because there are quite of few of us getting tired of seeing our guy get undercut from our friends here before he even gets started in Washington.

    Again, I reject this frame that sets up criticism and happiness as competing blocks. We are the 70% that is happy with Obama. We are also the majority (not minority) that want all troops out of Iraq. The majority (not minority) that want accountability for government lawbreaking. The majority (not minority) that want universal healthcare. The majority (not minority) that want bailouts of people, not financial companies. We are both happy with what we have achieved, and understanding that much more is required to get our country back on the right track. We believe there is great potential in the Obama-Biden Administration, but that it requires our effort, our voice, our offer of service both within and without, to realize that potential.

  •  I'd just be happy if my competent, qualified self (0+ / 0-)

    could find a job, and not have to depend on the largesse of the horrendous state government for a biweekly unemployment check.

    I'd be happy if I could just pay the rent each month without any drama from the landlord (you know, stuff like the sheriff's service of notices to vacate, etc.).

    I'd be happy if I could just afford to pay for my basic needs with a decent-paying job like I used to be able to do, once upon time in 20th century America.

    See, a lot of us are just struggling second by second, minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day to meet our basic needs, so we can't understand all the other hoopla about entitlements and legacies, etc.  

    As an example of what I speak, GM, Chrysler and Ford are closing plants for a period of time at the end of this year; not many people can afford to miss a week or more of pay, and it takes forever to begin receiving unemployment. I'm more concerned about how these people and their families are going to make it, as well as how their temporary unemployment will affect others of us who have been unemployed for months and/or a year or more.

    I'm more concerned about the fact that, once the auto plants reopen, some of those who were laid off for a period of time will become earnestly unemployed, further putting a strain on our busted economy.

    Right now, being out of work and seeing the prospects of even more folk being out of work, with some having little chance of becoming gainfully employed for months, if ever again, is most pressing on a lot of plates. As far as Obama's cabinet choices are concerned, I learned with the Clinton as SoS nominee choice that Obama's got political debts to pay, so he's gonna do what he's gonna do, irrespective of the collective grassroots' opinions. I've always known that, no matter how sincere he appears to be, he is, after all, a politician.

    While I don't like at least a handful of Obama's picks, I ain't that deep into it that I don't recognize that I got much bigger fish to fry than ranting and raving about his cabinet.

    Consequently, I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude.

    But that's just me.

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: ~ Ecclesiastes 3:1

    by 99 Percent Pure on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:06:05 PM PST

  •  I need bail-out help (2+ / 0-)
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    valadon, dgone36

    I'm in over my head. If he helps on that  -- maybe throws some TARP money my way, or maybe tells the credit card companies their days of extortion, usury and larceny are least where I'm concerned.

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you:

    by FischFry on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:26:22 PM PST

  •  In the middle (0+ / 0-)

    I have read a lot of these debates and I have simultaneous feelings for both sides of the argument.  I have had the pit of horror in my stomach for 8 years and started to believe that I would always have negative feelings for my president.  That I would love my country and that my president would make me cringe.  So, I want to enjoy the feeling of not cringing a little longer.  Maybe that means I am giving Obama more benefit of the doubt that he knows more than I do about how to get out of the pit.  Maybe it isn't a straight path and maybe the people I would pick would end up having great ideas but not getting anything done.  So, right now I am enjoying being happy and liking my president for the first time in my lifetime.  
        On the other hand, I appreciate not letting up on Obama.  Using our very precious American right to criticize. It will make our government stronger and we must use it.  I read these posts and agree with the people using their right to speak up against Obama's picks.  Even though I am going to stay in my wait and see mode, I am happy and quite comfortable that others aren't.  This presidency is already different because we can have our high expectations back.  

  •  Amen <n/t> (0+ / 0-)

    "Money, pardon the expression, is like manure. It's not worth a thing unless it's spread around, encouraging young things to grow. " Dolly Levi

    by Glinda on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:30:39 PM PST

  •  What will make me happy? (0+ / 0-)

    By doing everything he promised right there.

    Problem is, you're probably not going to do what you promise in Iraq if you have BUSH's Defense secretary.

    Problem is, you're probably not going to do what you promise for gay rights if you ASK A HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT TO PREACH FOR YOU.

  •  1) Halt global warming. (2+ / 0-)
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    tonyahky, badger1968

    This is more important for the future survival of humanity than anything else.

    I actually seriously doubt he can do it though, and I know he can't do it by himself.

    I'd give up a lot of other stuff if we could stop global warming in its tracks.  2 degrees Celsius of warming is already guaranteed, but the sooner we stop our carbon emissions the less of a mess we'll be in.

    Given that I suspect that's beyond his control, 2) universal single-payer health care.  It would revive the economy all by itself, as well as its other benefits.  But he's not even advocating for it.

    Sigh.  OK.  I'll settle for 3) stopping torture and 4) restoring the Rule of Law.  Then we have some chance of improvement on other issues later.  I really think he will manage to do this.  I hope.

    If he can't do any of those four, then he's useless, even if he temporarily "revives" the economy.

    -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

    by neroden on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:42:49 PM PST

    •  Obama can't stop global warming himself BUT (0+ / 0-)

      if people stop and reflect on the tactics and organizing skills Barack Hussein Obama used to become the first US President who is half African (Kenyan) we will realize WE can use those same skills and tools going forward.

      Yes WE can, whether Obama is 100% with us, or not.

      Because he showed us how.

      Health care crisis in a nutshell: Too much is expended on "managing" & too little on "caregiving"

      by Bill White on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 04:59:12 PM PST

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    •  Don't be surprised (0+ / 0-)

      If Obama has an epiphany and thinks global warming is fake. He seems to be rapidly moving to the right more and more every day.

  •  repeal taft hartley (1+ / 0-)
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    Always Thinkin

    "There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home." John Stuart Mill

    by kuvasz on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:02:43 PM PST

  •  Get used to being tired then. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    DelRPCV, PhilW

    "History is a tragedy, not a melodrama." - I.F.Stone

    by bigchin on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:03:45 PM PST

  •  I want a pony. (2+ / 0-)
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    Phoenix Woman, badger1968

    If no policy proposal includes a "Pony for dennisl" clause during this term, I'm voting Palin 2012.

  •  Obama is the best possible right now (2+ / 0-)
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    wmtriallawyer, Always Thinkin

    Elections reflect political realities, they don't make them

    Given the gutting of trade unions (the base of support for Social Democrat parties around the world), the withering away of other grassroots working class associations, and a 30-year non-stop blast of unadulterated right wing ideology, Obama is damn good.

    If we want something better, we need to support grassroots progressive organizing and build an alterantive media to get the word out.

    Vast sections of this country are dominated by right wing talk radio and fundamentalist preachers.  We need to change this if we want to see politics change in this country

    If we want our president to push a progressive agenda, we need to create a force so strong that he has no other choice

  •  In one phrase: (2+ / 0-)
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    wmtriallawyer, Always Thinkin

    A President Who Cares What People Think. A President who respects us enough to speak to us on the level, in substantive terms. A President who responds.

    Of all my complaints with George W. Bush, I think the one that takes the cake the most is that when people protested against the war, he dismissed it as a "special interest group." He simply didn't care that millions of Americans were so deeply opposed to his policies. He didn't care about his nonexistent/wafer thin mandates. He didn't care that he was screwing it up. He simply didn't care.

    I want a President who does care. Who listens to the people. I don't care exactly who he picks for Cabinet, but I hope that he has a decision-making style that will be responsive to outsiders' input and concerns. He was elected on change so I want him to deliver it-- because that's what people wanted. And he knows it. He has no excuse at all. Let's not just recycle the insiders all over again.

  •  I'm equally sick of tired of complaining about (1+ / 0-)
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    heart of a quince

    complaining about cabinet picks.

    You don't like it, read something else.

    Plangentarchy: see:

    by zett on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:32:21 PM PST

    •  that's what I plan to do... (0+ / 0-)

      ... from now on. At least for a few weeks. Honestly, the freak-out level on this site is mind-boggling. It reminds me of all the times during the primaries and then the general election that Kossacks threw up their hands en masse and swore that Obama was going to lose, Obama was screwing up this or that, Obama's being too passive, Obama's being too aggressive ... on and on. And every time, EVERY TIME, he proved the naysayers wrong, culminating in a historic landslide victory.

      I am not saying criticism is off limits. In fact it is healthy and should be encouraged. But for God's sake, let's give the man some breathing room.

      A friend of mine has a two-word mantra he cites every time he hears somebody express fear and loathing: TRUST BARACK. I've been doing that for two years now and Barack has not yet given me reason to do otherwise. Until he does, I will continue to do so.

  •  I'm happy. (1+ / 0-)
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    and...I still believe in Obama's change.

  •  not appeasing homophobes (2+ / 0-)
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    Wufacta, RyanR
    with the Warren choice.  He didn't have to do that, at all.  In fact, the person who led the invocation at the DNC was a staunch progressive, Rabbi David Saperstein of the Religious Action Center, associated with the Jewish Reform movement.

    I'm sorry, but this Warren choice is a slap in the face to anyone who was angry about Prop 8.

    It is not upon you to finish the Work, but neither shall you, O child of freedom, refrain from it.

    by DoGooderLawyer on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:41:53 PM PST

  •  I will be happy when, we are once again a nation (3+ / 0-)

    of laws, not of men.

  •  Bush and Cheney suffering... (1+ / 0-)
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    Always Thinkin

    ...the most painful, protracted, debilitating deaths that the fates can arrange for them, and not their money, nor influence, nor connections can divert their suffering.

    As they lay screaming, so physically debased that even their families can't bear to be in the room with their putrefying, soon-to-be corpses, their minds are filled with the images of every American soldier whose death warrant they signed.

    Yeah. That would make my day, for one day.

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 05:48:11 PM PST

  •  So... are you tired of people like me (2+ / 0-)
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    DelRPCV, Lipstick Liberal

    Because there are quite of few of us getting tired of seeing our guy get undercut from our friends here before he even gets started in Washington.

    undercutting his choice of frackin Rick Warren?  

    Criticism of Obama's choice there undercuts him?  I think that choice undercuts millions of people, not him.

  •  Someone to realize there's (3+ / 0-)
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    Lipstick Liberal, bws, wmtriallawyer

    damned little help for caretakers of elderly parents who aren't Medicaid recipients. My husband and I car for my 88 year old  fathrr. He has Parkinson's, requires assistance with pretty much everything, and cannot be left alone because he has balance issues and tends to fall. It's a 24/7 job, and, like many people, we are it. No other family or friends to help out, like the support groups recommend. I am an only child.. We have no friends here (try being a kinky Wiccan feminist Goth in GA) We DESPERATELY need respite care, but since the combined income is 30K a year, which just pays all the bills, we can';t afford $70 a week for 8 hours of freedom  via a sitter.  That is low-balling it--if we only pay $8 an hour, rather than going through a bonded agency which charge $20-22 per hour. We can't even go out for a burger together--NO alone time. Hell, we can't even run to the grocery store together.

    What I want is a realistic evaluation and revamp of elder health care. Having someone spell us a a few days of week would cost far less than the other solution: letting Dad go to a nursing home, which run around 4 grand a month.

    I haven't written a dairy here for two months because all my time is taken up as Nancy Nurse.  We're exhausted, emotionally and physically--with no relief in sight. And yes, before anyone asks, we HAVE contacted social services. Our princely income is too high to qualify for any help. And, frankly, I think caretakers should receive some sort of remuneration from the state because we save the country a HUGE amount of money, and provide far better care than homes do. I know because my husband worked in one of the best ones in the state, and even there, people were basically warehoused and got minimal care with a pretty high staff/patient ratio.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 06:17:23 PM PST

  •  When folks like you... (3+ / 0-)
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    DelRPCV, Lipstick Liberal, PhilW

    realize the importance of dissent, and stop trying to shut us up.

  •  Yes, but I'm user ID# 232,548 (0+ / 0-)

    with no comment history, I'm from "Little Green Footballs" or "Free Republic", I'm posing as a progressive, and I'm really "concerned".


    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 06:32:44 PM PST

  •  Acting like a Democrat would be nice (3+ / 0-)

    Because there are quite of few of us getting tired of seeing our guy get undercut from our friends here before he even gets started in Washington.

    Cry me a fucking river.  There are a lot of us trying of being undercut by him, too.  At least have the intellectual honesty to admit that cabinet secretary appointments are actually pretty material decisions.

    During the campaign, I couldn't believe Obama never ran against McCain on Social Security and how Republicans wanted to privatize it.  A voice kept telling me Obama might be trying to keep his options open.  With the recent appointment of school privatizers and industry shills, I can no longer say that voice is off base.

  •  I'll be happy when Harry Reid grows a pair (2+ / 0-)
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    Lipstick Liberal, satanicpanic

    Ok, so we have a majority in the Senate, but what do we do? We give in to Republican demands again - and again - and again - and again.

    The last straw for me was the auto bail-out. There are JOBS on the line. Blue collar workers working hard trying to make it. Yes, I realize that the GOP can filibuster, but the very least that Reid could do was to MAKE them filibuster. He owes the auto workers at least that small COURTESY!

    We have an even bigger majority now - let's USE it!

  •  How is it possible .. (1+ / 0-)
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    Always Thinkin

    that people around the world have already trusted in Obama's leadership and are willing to engage in discussions to form a common ground in finding solutions to the challenges that we are all facing today.

    Just maybe when you live in inhumane conditions and have been deprived of the basic necessities of life that you are able to recognise a true reformer when he's presented to you.

    Of course you have your opinions but opinions are just words if all they do is stick to an ideology that doesn't serve a greater cause.

  •  What will it take to end these SYFPH diaries? (0+ / 0-)
  •  AGREED!!! I heart you, William Trial Lawyer! ;) (1+ / 0-)
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    P.S. I know your real name ain't William. ;-)

    The media image of a "center-right" U.S. is a myth and a joke.

    by boofdah on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:14:06 PM PST

  •  The President is not our ally (0+ / 0-)

    That's not because the President is necessarily a bad person.  Obama, I think, is a genuinely good person.

    The problem is that the Presidency, as it's evolved in the past 50 years, is designed to expand American (corporate) hegemony overseas, and to manage the national security state domestically.  There's a lot of room outside of those two goals, but those two are essential responsibilities of a president, and they work contrary to our interests.

    If we want change in this society, we need to put up the barricades.  And the White House is on the other side of the barricades from us.  That could be changed.  But it'll only be changed by us, through a mass movement in opposition to established power, not by the officeholder sitting in the Oval Office, no matter how good a person he is.

    "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

    by Pesto on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:26:26 PM PST

  •  It is very simple: (4+ / 0-)

    for Mrs. Translator to get a good result from her very invasive diagnostic procedure tomorrow.

    Warmest regards,


    I could use income in exchange for value. I need work badly.

    by Translator on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:32:16 PM PST

  •  What would make me happy? (2+ / 0-)
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    Let's see.  My stepson not being foreclosed upon is one; affordable health care is another; and a feeling that I might be able to retire is the third.

    Does that qualify as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:38:24 PM PST

  •  Now, everybody (1+ / 0-)
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    Scroll back up through these answers and read them again.  Notice anything?  We all have different fucking answers to everything!  

    On that point, two things:

    1.  How on earth are we going to be effective at anything if we don't sort out a method for turning our passion into action in a way that doesn't compromise people's individual priorities?
    1.  Put yourself in Obama's position, except he has 300 million different priorities to accommodate.  Everyone here is right as far as that goes, but everyone here is not (and cannot be, logically) right at the expense of all others.  

    So, we're not all going to get our ponies.  But we're going to get some nice livestock anyway.  I can live with that.

    baseless outrage : Republicans :: tuna : my cat

    by socratic on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 07:39:33 PM PST

  •  Make me happy with three little words: (1+ / 0-)
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  •  sorry but Warren is a horrible pick (2+ / 0-)
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    and I am going to say so.

    But I loved the following picks:


    and these are far more important.

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 08:31:39 PM PST

  •  Shutting out chickhawks and neo-cons. (1+ / 0-)
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    Since I have been provoked, now I must expand on this sentiment.

    The Republican Party thrives on these sort of "useful idiots". They get us into pointless and destructive wars. They idolize the military, though they would never join it.

    Glenn Greenwald described chickenhawks thusly:

    Something more than mere support for a war without fighting in it is required to earn the "chicken hawk" label. Chicken-hawkism is the belief that advocating a war from afar is a sign of personal courage and strength, and that opposing a war from afar is a sign of personal cowardice and weakness. A "chicken hawk" is someone who not merely advocates a war, but believes that their advocacy is proof of the courage which those who will actually fight the war in combat require.

    They're the same assholes that got our country involved in affairs such as Vietnam and Iraq.

    What is a neo-conservative? Here's a definition from The Independent:

    The ideology is difficult to define. It used to be a blend of liberal democracy and hawkish foreign policy. Today the term refers to idealistic hawkishness. The philosophy has been around since the middle of the 20th century, if not earlier. Some trace its origins to the liberals and social progressives who strongly backed the Second World War. One of its founders was the US intellectual and writer Irving Kristol, a former Trotskyist who later described himself as "a liberal mugged by reality". In the 1950s and 1960s the neo-conservatives adopted a similarly robust view towards the Soviet Union, breaking first with the anti-capitalist New Left, then with the Washington foreign policy establishment that came to support Cold War détente with Moscow

    Essentially they're pro-war and pro-foreign interventionism. They claim to be idealistic, but in reality they have cynical, ulterior motives and illusions of granduer.

    Chickenhawks and neo-cons are one and the same. They don't know or understand the realities of war, they have a skewered view of foreign policy, and never have to worry about risking their own lives in the name of their "noble causes". Their whole ideal of geopolitics is summed up as power projection.

    It's fashionable for some Democrats and Kossacks to find ways of masking these tendencies by using euphamisms such as "military action", "police action", "humanitarian interventionism", "pragmatism", and similar nonsense.

    I can understand why some here who do have the minds of chickenhawks/neo-cons hate to be called out on that: the truth hurts.

    Somehow we're supposed to believe that if the Democratic Party embraces neo-conservatism that it's suddenly okay. If the Democrats invade Iran or bomb Pakistan, does that make it okay? Hell no! No such tolerance would ever be shown towards the Republicans for doing those things.

    Sorry for the huge rant. I had to get this out of my system since I was unfairly HR'ed.

  •  I trust our President-Elect. (1+ / 0-)
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    He ran his campaign with phenomenal discipline and he will run his administration the same way.  We will not all be pleased all of the time, but I think most of us will be pleased much of the time.  I trust him.

  •  I thank you for this post. (2+ / 0-)
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    I think some people aren't used to the whole "we're the majority now," so they find it easier to fall back into defense and victimization.

    But the point remains: There's NO WAY he can please every person, every time. Some of us will be disappointed along the road, but what is important is the big picture and whether or not he strives to make us a more perfect union. I will add, though, that the big picture does NOT include who gives the invocation at his inauguration.

  •  I'll be happy when Law School Ends. (1+ / 0-)
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    But, you already knew that, and given how tonight's UCC Article 2 final went, I may just kill myself before that date.  =]

    Seriously, I'll be happy when some of the whiners shut it about how Obama isn't living up to his promise, 30-some days before taking office.  I mean, go hate on Caroline Kennedy if you have nothing better to do.  She's much more deserving of it.

    To quote a former Marylander for whom I have absolutely no respect, I've had enough of the "nattering nabobs of negativity."

    The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. - MD Constitution

    by docciavelli on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 09:50:35 PM PST

  •  Ok this is how I see things going so far (1+ / 0-)
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    My hokey example is this.

    Your driving down the road in a big old 18 wheeler about 100 mph. You realize your going the wrong direction and need to turn around. Well you can't just stop on a dime. You have to gear down and slow down, find an exit and take the overpass and turn back down the exit ramp to get back on the road going the right direction. If you didn't do that and you slammed on brakes and did a 180 you would flip the truck, crash and burn. I see this is what Obama is doing. Stopping the mommentum (sic).

    Another thing is sometimes there is an ideal then there is the reality getting there.

    ok, what would make me happy would be him pull a majic wand out off his butt and fix the economy and make health care where you don't go bankrupt when you get it.

    I don't care what you do in your beds, just keep your hand out of my pocket.

    by the mom in the middle on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 09:57:14 PM PST

  •  Liberals Love To Complain (1+ / 0-)
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    Which is why we play right into the hands of the evil Republicans who thoroughly enjoy seeing us rip ourselves apart.  We can't stand prosperity.  We expect everyone to be 100 percent ideologically pure and when they are not the blogs run rampant with complaining.  Meanwhile Bush has a month to keep doing horrible crap while we spend all our time complaining about Obama.  Have a Merry Christmas and smile.  That will be productive.

  •  I'll be happy (1+ / 0-)
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    when my country has a Democratic president who governs the country as a Democrat, and a Democratic-controlled congress that passes Democratic legislation.

    Since you asked for specifics, I'll be happy when we get true universal health care (single-payer, not mandates for private health insurance) that includes dental coverage; equal rights, protection, and respect for gays and lesbians as well as for non-believers; a truly progressive tax code that taxes unearned income at the same rate as earned income; energy, environmental, and transportation policy that eliminates our dependence on fossil fuels and addresses the problems of global climate change and environmental degradation; a living wage for all American workers, coupled with labor policy that promotes the rights and interests of workers first and foremost, makes it easier for workers to organize, and makes it harder for employers to undermine the efforts of workers who do organize; fiscal policy that stresses the short-term need for a balanced budget, and the long-term goal of paying off our national debt (after we've extricated ourselves from this economic mess, of course); foreign policy that emphasizes diplomacy over warfare as a means of promoting American interests, while also taking into consideration the wider interests of the global community; an end to the fiction of corporate personhood, and a recognition of the fact that, as chartered public entities, corporations should be obligated to serve the broader interests of all Americans, and not just the narrow interests of their stockholders and customers; and an administration that rejects the false doctrine of unitary executive authority and respects and upholds our constitution, our laws, and our rights as human beings.

    That's off the top of my head.  I'm sure there may be a couple of things I'm forgetting, but the above would be a great start.

  •  You make excellent points (0+ / 0-)

    And I agree with you 100%.

  •  Weed. (0+ / 0-)

    "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality." - Dante

    by jazzence on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:27:00 PM PST

  •  Happy? When I am heard! (0+ / 0-)
    You know why people like me are not happy? It is because it seems as if our voice has been ignored. Yes, I have read the policy and yes, I still believe Obama truly wants to follow through with all of his promises and do these great progressive things but riddle me this batmen and women. Why are the progressives viewed as an enemy or as wrong and why are we ignored? By Obama appointing these people do you not feel as if he just skipped over great potential progressive voices? It almost seems like a regular old political figure, he says here is what I want to do and I am happy to have your support and then it turns into here is what I plan to do and your support was welcome.  I dont know maybe I am just a crazy guy wishing his voice was heard a little more, or maybe I am a realist that was turned hopeful only to be cut into disappointed pieces.

    That is not to say I am disappointed with Obama forever or on everything but I feel as if the change I wanted was just not meant to be.

  •  The MOST important thing is (2+ / 0-)
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    his choice of some pastor to give a purely ceremonial benediction at his inaugeration.  I mean, that's what the rec list tells me.  Nevermind this pastor won't be close to any policy-making.  Nevermind that Obama has actually appointed a gay person to a senior WH post, something he hasn't done to a known right-wing religious firebrand.  Nevermind that most people will forget who gave the benediction by the day after the inaugeration.

    No, the most important thing is whipping into a frenzy over this pastor and his relatively meaningless task on Jan. 20.  Screw healthcare, the economy and the war!

    I finally put in a signature!

    by Boris Godunov on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:52:56 PM PST

  •  Happiness results from fulfilled expectations.n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "History is a tragedy, not a melodrama." - I.F.Stone

    by bigchin on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 11:55:10 PM PST

  •  I am just happy you (1+ / 0-)
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    asked the question.

  •  my relationship to politics is visceral and (1+ / 0-)
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    emotional.  i react to injustices, i decry hypocrisy, class structure and elitism, suffer in pain  on the sidelines when i read of massacres, brutalities, genocide, poverty, foreclosures. i know my values and i know what is right and true and decent.  

    but i don't understand the political arena, and what it takes to be an originator, a leader in that field.  i make recognise it when i see, as i do in obama, but i could never do it, never undertake to know how to go about closing guantanamo, bringing an end to iraq, creating such an incredible social structure as national health care.  i trained as an historian and my facility is for the large, nearly subterranean, currents that shape us and not the day to day workings of policy details and making ideas reality.  what an admission to make!

    it seems to me nothing short of miraculous that any or all four of things you list could come true in the next four years.  or eight.  however, my sense is that more than that is going to happen during the obama years in terms of intangibles as well as actual accomplishments.  

    i'm happy just knowing a sane, smart person is giving it his all, and i am not fearful of being betrayed by him.

    I really like Christmas.

    by RadicalGardener on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 01:54:58 AM PST

    •  RadicalGardner:I trained in history,too. And my (1+ / 0-)
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      reaction to politics is visceral (nice word)and emotional,too.  In content, I agree with earlier comment.  What I like about Dems is our variety, and so many of us are passionate people.  And have lots of ideas.

  •  A few liberals in the cabinet. (2+ / 0-)
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    Instead, we get a Republican defense secretary, and a Republican national security advisor, sending the message that there isn't a single Democrat who can be trusted with national security and a secretary of agriculture who is bought and paid for by Monfuckingsanto. Oh, and brought back the very same people who created the economic shitpile in the first place instead of even one person, like, say, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz, who predicted that those policies would lead to this meltdown.

    And that's just for starters.

    Obama has made it very clear with every single nomination so far that he wants to say fuck you to the liberal base and govern as a moderate Republican. Well, fuck him.

    Did I expect some appointments that were too far to the right for me? Sure I did. Did I expect there to be no liberals in the cabinet? No. I expected compromise. Balance. Inclusiveness.

    You know what I'm sick of, wmtriallawyer? I'm sick of people who act as though people who are angry and and feel a sense of betrayal are in any way being unreasonable. Obama has NOT, if fact, nominated a cabinet that brings in the whole political spectrum.

    If he delivers on the four things you listed, plus progress on climate change, I'll feel differently. But until then, he sure doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me. Not after all this. And now Rick fucking Warren.

    "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" --Denis Diderot

    by expatjourno on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 01:59:50 AM PST

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      rtable.  I think a few liberals for balance would make me happy,too.

      •  Thanks. And I'll try to reduce the number of... (1+ / 0-)
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        "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest" --Denis Diderot

        by expatjourno on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 05:31:30 AM PST

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        •  expatjourno:ah...where did you expat to?(n/t) (0+ / 0-)
          •  Sweden. A country that has real family values. (0+ / 0-)

            Unlike the phony ones of the Repukes.

            Democratic Administrations are what the forces of darkness use to catch their breath and consolidate their gains.

            by expatjourno on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 03:20:54 PM PST

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            •  expatjourno:Sweden is one of the few places that (1+ / 0-)
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              as a disabled person, I could be admitted.  (Although as a senior, I have social security.)  A relative went to Sweden instead of Vietnam, learned the language and got a Master's degree, and in succession, two Swedish-American wives.  There was a segment recently on Sweden, on DemocracyNow  The transcripts are online.  Last week.  Amy Goodman went to Sweden to pick up her award and did a couple of shows from there, and then one from Germany.  There was mention of a private children's hospital started by American companies, which is a wedge into the fab Swedish national health service.  The corporations are spreading their propaganda.

              I send you greetings from the city.  I recently read a novel about Sweden, possibly an old one by Graham Greene.  Yes, Sweden has good family values.  Once folks move here,though they often take on the local views, such as lack of family values in re a disabled family member.  I do however, remember the story of a young guy who survived a stroke, was severely disabled, in Sweden, in the 1980s, his wife put him in a nursing home.  The problem for him (as it has been here) that people didn't know of services for home attendant care.  I also recall, as I type, an architect who I think is in Sweden, also, who became disabled and had his house renovated for severe disability in the 1990s.  So much depends on getting information.   Good holidays.  Delighted you're on DK.

              •  Thanks for sharing your knowledge. (0+ / 0-)

                Interesting articles at Democracy Now. I must have repressed the news about Rove. I think that's going to backfire on the conservatives, though.

                Happy holidays to you, too.

                Democratic Administrations are what the forces of darkness use to catch their breath and consolidate their gains.

                by expatjourno on Fri Dec 19, 2008 at 02:08:01 PM PST

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                •  expatjourno:I was once a teacher...(yes I'm (0+ / 0-)

                  smiling).  Spouse is a teacher in a community college. Even as an artist, I see I'm still doing it.  So, you're welcome.  I'll go back to DemNow re Rove.  I don't remember.  How lovely are Swedish candle Christmas events (I saw in movies.)  Enjoy.  I like cold weather too.

  •  Good diary (1+ / 0-)
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     The progressive movement,( with lots of help from the Bush admin) has move the country to the left. Things now considered centrist. health care,leaving Iraq, global warming etc., all started out as progressive positions. Even gay marrige is polling closer to favorable.
    In my view President Obama will govern what is now considered centrist. Not a bad thing considering where we were and have been for the past 8 years. We have diaries relating to Holder possibly prosecuting war crimes. Last night Senator Levin implied the possibility. I for one hope it leads to convictions, but making it job one would seem unwise considering what else is on the agenda.
     I understand the need of agitators to agitate. But somtimes it does sound like bitching just to bitch. I would love to live in a country that aspired to all the liberal views that I do, I not sure calling people names or stomping my feet will get us there.

  •  Obama's cabinet picks are fine. (4+ / 0-)

    He can have all the slack he wants on those.

    At this moment the only thing I'm not happy with is the pick of Rick Warren.  That is really a tone-deaf choice so soon after the prop. 8 vote.  That hit me hard because it's an endorsement of a figure who believes that people like me should just quietly up and disappear.  Not very "All men are created equal," is it?  It's disappointing that Obama is essentially saying, "Bigots who use religion to divide and condemn fellow citizens are welcome at our table."

    I know what Obama is doing strategically.  But on this decision his cleverness is one "team of rivals" member too far.

    Rick Warren did not help Obama get elected in any way, shape or form.  But the gay community did.  And as thanks we have to watch this creep call upon his vengeful, selective, and Republican god to bless America.  Oh joy.

    At least Bush had the sense to reward his base at his inauguration with a slate of conservatives down the line.  No one complained about that.  Not one peep from anyone.  I guess it's okay for Republicans, not so much for liberals.  We just want everyone to be happy in our sandbox, even if we have to swallow a few mouthfuls of dirt to achieve harmony.


    The fact that I occasionally spark rational thought depresses me to no end.

    by Bill in Portland Maine on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 04:48:34 AM PST

    •  Bush appointed Ridge and Powell and other (0+ / 0-)

      moderate Republicans in his first term and ran as a compassionate conservative, but Bush's first term was the worst Presidential term for progressive policies in American history.  Sometimes hiring messengers and representatives sympathetic to the old ways that need to change makes them that much more credible advocates in changing those ways.  The more I see Obama doing stuff like this, the more slack I think he is trying to buy himself for actual policy making; it's a good bargain, because all of Bush's moderate appointments didn't add up to anything other than neocon cockstroking in the end, and his policies still ruined our lives.

      It's all about policy.  (Symbolism matters, but President Barack Obama is plenty of symbolism for me at this point.  If he wants to borrow against that symbolism in the other direction for extra slack to enact good policies, it's a fucking BARGAIN.)

      The all purpose reference for every Obama surrogate and supporter

      by ShadowSD on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 06:26:03 AM PST

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      •  I'll believe it when I see it. (0+ / 0-)

        The folks on the right aren't very fond of giving up anything or ceding an inch.  How many times are we going to extend olive branches, only to have them shoved up our tuckus?  We never seem to learn this lesson.  The conservatives uses sledgehammers to destroy the left, and they will never ever give up.  They ignore facts, turn a blind eye to reason, view compromise as weakness, and are willing to destroy almost anything or anyone to keep their grip on their power.

        I hope Obama knows what he's doing.  Because he's dealing with some very evil people who don't give a crap about bipartisanship, despite all the lip service.


        The fact that I occasionally spark rational thought depresses me to no end.

        by Bill in Portland Maine on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:53:03 AM PST

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  •  I ask those that criticize Obama all the (1+ / 0-)
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    fucking time, "Do you want 4 years or 8 years of an Obama presidency?  4 years and we get everything all the time, or 8 years and we share the cookies with others but still make the decisions.

  •  pragmatic progressivism (2+ / 0-)

    beats compassionate conservativeism

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    I voted for Obama, and I admire him more than any politician in my lifetime.  

    But he is still a politician.

    You seem to be saying that criticism of his appointments is somehow a bad thing.  I reject that argument and would reject it even if Mother Theresa was our president.

    While there may be some strident protests, most of us "dirty fuckin' hippies" on the left have acknowleged that Obama is not president yet, that a team of Rivals is not the worst thing in the world, and that the buck stops with Obama.

    But the notion that we should remain completely silent is absurd.  Obama having to hear criticism is not going to ruin everything, as you seem to be implying.

    Our criticisms are what are supposed to happen in a democracy.  Blindly lining up behind any leader, even one who is as impressive as Obama is anti-democratic.

    So in answering your question, what would make me happy is to not get told constantly to STFU when I and others express our concerns with who Obama is picking for his cabinet.  

    My question to you is this:  If cabinet officials are supposed to eventually "carry out Obama's decisions", then why not pick Cheney or Rumsfeld?  They could be seen as "competent professionals".

    As a matter of fact, if he did pick Cheney for a post, we would get all kinds of diaries that would move up the rec list on how that makes perfect sense, that it is in the spirit of post-partisanship, that Cheney has lots of experience in multiple levels of government.

    So I don't care how tired you are of hearing the unwashed masses voice their concerns.  I will keep on voicing them thank you very much.

    ¨An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war.¨ - Mark Twain

    by Indiana Bob on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 05:38:57 AM PST

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    and I see it as my job as a citizen to be informed, and voice my opinions and concerns in order to help Obama do what he has set out to do.  Take Ag Secretary for example. Do we not all agree that agribusiness has been pressuring Obama regarding his choice?  If we don't organize and pressure and, yes, criticize, how is he to respond to the organized corporate voice on the other side?  It is our job to do this and I offer absolutely no apology here for doing what Obama himself asked us to do once he is in office.  

  •  I'm in charge... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of how I feel.  (perhaps more clearly, how I react).  We (the wife and I) filed for bankruptcy, we remain this close to losing this nice little house in this nice older neighborhood.  I refuse to be afraid.  

      People react.  Fundamentally the same, yet drastically different, with differing worldviews we humans.  It's astounding the world has any civilization at all.  

      We have grown accustomed to mean-spiritedness. We have convinced ourselves that it is more intelligent to be cynical than to be optimistic, or have a positive attitude.  But "positive" does not means sticking one's head in the proverbial sand.  It means keeping a clear head so we can recognize a problem, understand there must be a solution, and work to find it.

      The other night I came home to water rushing down the sidewalk (not the gutter, the sidewalk).  The pipe running into the house next door had burst (been really freaking cold lately).  My neighbor on the other side came out, and said he'd call the water department.  A good neighbor.  Later, I came out and threw salt on the walk, not just in front of my house, but his too, including the place where they get into their vehicles,  and the house where the pipe had burst.  Why not just my house?  Because I had chosen how to react.  I had been tired, irritable after working all understand. But I chose to calmly do what I did.  I feel we should do for one another, even in this small way...maybe especially in this small way...

      My attitude is, Obama knows what he's doing.  Will he make mistakes?  Certainly.  He has probably made tons already, some of which we might not even know about for a couple of years...but he's a smart (scary-smart) man, and he learns from his mistakes.  

      He chooses how he reacts.  

    "Whose hand has writ long..." --CJC.

    by wewhodream on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 06:09:06 AM PST

  •  Amen. In the same way I don't give a shit... (0+ / 0-)

    ...who gives the invocation at the inauguration.

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    It was filled with the right kinds of symbols and set the proper tone for what we all hoped would be a new beginning.  Who can forget the old New England  poet, Robert Frost, reciting one of his poems from memory?  Who gave the invocation I can't remember, but it certainly was not a bigoted bible thumper.  And don't tell me that it was Congress and Eisenhower who set the script and selected the speakers.  JFK and his aides did, and correctly so.  Obama could have made his wishes known.   Maybe he did.  

    To make the world safe for capitalism, we must first make capitalism safe for the world.

    by djohnutk on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:04:56 AM PST

  •  Very disappointed in you wm... (0+ / 0-)

    Pass the Pie.

    We may not get there in one year or even one term, but America - I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there. Obama 11/4/08

    by Lipstick Liberal on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:09:17 AM PST

  •  you can't make extremists happy... (0+ / 0-)

    ...because extremists have Utopias in their heads, they're very rigid about accepting no substitutes for these Utopias... and Utopias don't exist in the real world.  And even if they got what they wanted, they'd still be pissy.

    You'll find just as big and just as rigid a batch of unrealistic extremists on the left as you will on the right.  These are the neverhappys, who will condemn anyone who doesn't obey them to the letter.  It's best not to worry about pleasing them, because... you can't. It's impossible.

    Sure, Obama has made some decisions I'm not wild about.  The Rick Warren thing isn't great, it's not my favorite choice, because I don't like the guy or his stance on gay marriage.  But, I gotta admit, I saw some gay people undermining themselves during the primary in-fighting, far more than having Rick Warren speak would ever do.   I got pretty discouraged and disillusioned about that, and I'm still wondering if some of my former gay friends are actually moving off to Mexico the way they swore they would if "that black prick" got elected.  They haven't contacted me to help them pack, the way I offered. Anyway, after seeing what  people will do to themselves, it's hard to get as het-up over Warren as I normally would.

    Obama's not being perfect, but I still believe he was easily the best choice, and, though I will quibble with him over certain choices (and this Warren thing is definitely one of them), I'm not extremist enough to jump off the bandwagon before the guy even gets in office.   That'd be self-defeatist, and a total loser move.

    There's nothing wrong with seeking perfection, but there is something wrong with giving up the second it's not achieved.

    "Does anybody know what the difference between a bulldog and a hockey mom is? The bulldog gets vetted!" - Bob Barr

    by Front Toward Enemy on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:16:16 AM PST

  •  Return to the rule of law! (0+ / 0-)

    and a crock pot.

  •  I will paraphrase.... (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats get upset by nothing  and eat their young.  Republicans, coldly and without emotion, also eat the Democrats' young.

    Educate yourself. Think for yourself. Be yourself. Do for others.

    by DHinIA on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:39:51 AM PST

    •  Let's try again.... (0+ / 0-)

      Democrats get upset by almost anything  and eat their young.  Republicans, coldly and without emotion, also eat the Democrats' young.

      Educate yourself. Think for yourself. Be yourself. Do for others.

      by DHinIA on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 07:42:17 AM PST

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