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Burmese Need Our Help. But Can They Get It?

Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:10:21 PM PDT

The Burmese are used to bad news. The person who should be their prime minister, the Nobel Peace Prize-winning Aung San Suu Kyi, has been under house detention or in prison off and on for 18 years. The military junta has repeatedly proved that it has no intention of relaxing its iron-fisted rule. As Dr. Suu Kyi said in her Freedom from Fear speech in 1990:

It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it.

The generals are corrupt, so corrupt, indeed, that they did not have a system in place to give citizens an early warning when Cyclone Nargis struck Saturday. Even now, with Burma reeling from the aftermath of one of the world's worst modern natural disasters - with perhaps more than 100,000 dead and 2 million homeless - the junta is continuing years-long behavior, approving only $5 million for aid relief to their citizens, even though the government receives $2.7 billion a year in revenue from gas exports.

"Not only are the regime blocking international aid, they are not mobilising their own resources either," according to Mark Farmaner, the director of the Burma Campaign UK. "£2.5m is pathetic given the scale of this crisis. This is less than was spent on presents for the wedding of the daughter of Than Shwe, the dictator of Burma." The Campaign says that the government spends half its budget on the military.

As widely reported, the junta has somewhat relaxed its usual tight grip on aid workers who were already in Burma when Nargis struck. The BBC says these aid workers have been allowed to travel with someone from the local Red Cross or a government official without needing to obtain additional permission, as was previously the case. But far more aid workers are needed, and the junta is barely moving to make that possible, despite the devastation.

The military is extremely wary of allowing the small number of foreigners based in Burma to move around in normal times; the prospect of having many times that number operating in the country may prove too much for the generals to swallow.

"Some are getting in, some are not - we need the floodgates to open," said Britain's Ambassador in Rangoon, Mark Canning.

"It's crucial that we get these humanitarian experts in, and that's what we're putting a lot of effort into at the moment".

The government has appointed Deputy Foreign Minister Maung Myint to oversee the issuing of visas, but it still is not clear whether he has the authority to approve them in the numbers the international agencies say they need.

Early Wednesday, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner spoke in favor of the United Nations invoking the concept of the "responsibility to protect." Under this highly controversial approach, approved by the world body in 2005, the United Nations could intervene in cases where governments failed or refused to protect their own citizens, even when this would violate national sovereignty.

But John Holmes, UN undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs, said "confrontation" would be unhelpful because discussions with the government were slowly moving forward.

"I'm not sure that invading Burma would be a very sensible option," he said in response to criticism that the United Nations was not doing enough.

"We are having useful and constructive discussions with the authorities of Burma," he said.

"It is moving in the right direction. We want it to move much faster clearly. But I'm not sure it would help at this moment at least to embark on what could at least be seen by some people as a confrontation."

Millions of dollars have already been pledged for relief if only it can be delivered directly to those who need it. That, it seems clear, will take some blend of cajoling of and pressure on the junta to save their own people. Time is of the essence. Obtaining clean water has been a problem for days, and lack of food is rapidly becoming a serious worry.

If the immediate roadblocks can be overcome, much suffering can be avoided, and, perhaps, the generals will see their way clear to relaxing their tough rule overall, although that is a far dicier prospect. Once the first weeks are past, it would behoove aid agencies to avoid some of the problems associated with aid to Aceh province in Sumatra after the 2004 tsunami. There, that aid, according to a survey by Oxfam, wound up in the hands of the more well-to-do, with the poor benefiting least.

Two good sites to visit for information about the situation are Democratic Voice on Burma and Campaigning for Human Rights and Democracy in Burma. The latter contains a short list of organizations accepting donations for cyclone relief.

One important effort you can make that won't require a financial commitment is to e-mail or phone your favorite media operations to urge them to pay attention to this tragedy.

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Avila and srkp23 have Diaries here and here on the same subject.

 

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  •  Politics matter! (11+ / 0-)

    This is exactly why it is so important to have REAL democratic governments and empowered citizens.

    And yes, Burma spends half their GDP on their military- oh wait, what country spends more than the whole rest of the world on the military?  Why dubya-cheney land!!

  •  I fear that international aid... (7+ / 0-)

    will be used to help the junta and punish the people.  This happens so often in these cases. What is being done about this, if anything?

  •  Excellent summary (3+ / 0-)

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    Thanks for the links.

  •  My God,,,, (11+ / 0-)

    How many more will die from disease and starvation if no help is allowed in?

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4100+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

    by Miss Blue on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:15:18 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, MB, for this excellent post. n/t (8+ / 0-)

    Seul l'incrédule a droit au miracle. - Elias Canetti Road2DC

    by srkp23 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:17:05 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for FPing this (9+ / 0-)

    Avila has a good diary with links to help.

  •  Thanks for putting this on the Front Page (9+ / 0-)

    Avila has a diary currently on the Rec List appealing for aid for Myanmar.  There are links to the most reputable organizations which are on the ground there and already providing aid.

    The junta can always find ways to bring disrepute to the concept of evil, but if they do allow international aid these brave humanitarians need our support.

    Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:17:53 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for this diary MB (7+ / 0-)

    It's sad, but "we helped" to make this worse, by way of the damage done to the mangrove forest.

    I was listening to Fresh Air today, and the analysis from the person speaking [cannot remember who it was] indicated that what used to provide a natural barrier to these storms has been removed to provide growing areas for shrimp farms.

    Predicted years ago

    http://www.wrm.org.uy/...

    http://girlscientist.blogspot.com/...

    Here's the executive summary

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

    Every change has consequences; as progressives, it's important to understand all of the consequences.

    "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

    by shpilk on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:18:43 PM PDT

    •  I didn't make it clear about 'how we helped' (5+ / 0-)

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      in my post - but if you click the links, and see what was predicted, and then read the summary report it comes into focus.

      "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

      by shpilk on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:20:37 PM PDT

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      •  And once one looks at the situation one must ask (3+ / 0-)

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        oneself ..  

        "What are we doing today, to make tomorrow's disaster a reality?"

        "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

        by shpilk on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:24:18 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for those links. (4+ / 0-)

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          I had no idea of the connection to shrimp farming.  

          It's interesting that many people already have a sense that disasters like this are happening for a reason - one of my students was listing off things, including the cyclone that she understood in a general sense to be caused by human practices.

          But to have the discipline to stop doing today what will make tomorrow's disaster?  Especially when profits are on the line?

          •  This is what scientists try to do if they are (4+ / 0-)

            ethical - they study all the ramifications of implementing technology.

            The anti-science of corporate America particularly is disturbing just for this reason. I was going to write a long article about this, long ago and never have.

            In the case of Burma; if that country had a democracy where people could have protested and stopped the mangrove decimation, they would have saved perhaps tens of thousands of lives today. We got 'cheap shrimp'. They got to die. It's simplistic, but ultimately, this was the tradeoff.

            No 'scientists' were involved, just technologists to rip apart the mangrove forest and install the hotels and beach front property and the shrimp farms. The technologies were misused.

            And we as a species do stuff like this every single day.

            An example few people know about:
            At least 30,000 people a year die prematurely from coal dust in the US alone [that a conservative estimate]. Millions of work hours are lost, and medical services overwhelmed by something that could be filtered out, if the damn government had the gumption to do something about it. At least 30,000 people, every year - many of them elderly, but some kids too ..

            And in China, where there's even LESS control, some estimates are that over a million people a year die prematurely from coal dust.

            Societies make decisions which effect their citizenry all the time, many times driven by economic avarice and accomplished through technology.

            It is the scourge of modern civilization, the misuse of technology for greed: a huge untold story which we only see the very edge of at times.

            I'm not a Luddite; but with well over 99% of the world's population having no idea what is going on, at so many different levels and so many reasons, it's mind boggling to contemplate.

            Education is the only solution.

            "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

            by shpilk on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:23:07 PM PDT

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  •  Disgusting... (6+ / 0-)

    As offensive as our government can be and often is, it is truly sickening to hear that 100,000 people are dead and even more homeless and yet this military government refuses humanitarian assistance. Call me a neocon or what have you, but it is in cases like these that I think invasions are justified... not for political reasons but to give these people the help they need - by force against their oppressive government if necessary. Maybe it sounds a little over the top, but put yourself those innocent victims' positions... I for one would welcome whoever was willing to help, no matter what.

    •  Neocons do not invade countries to help people (6+ / 0-)

      Barack Obama will be President, John Edwards will send George W Bush to The Hague

      by vanguardia on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:21:08 PM PDT

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    •  I am not a proponant of force, (2+ / 0-)

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      however, under the doctrine of "responsibility to protect," I will make an exception.  This neglect by the junta is tantamount to a genocide.

      My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:22:00 PM PDT

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    •  At least 3x that many will die from disease... (4+ / 0-)

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      lack of food and water if they do not get help within a week.

      Be safe Barack Obama.

      by David Kroning on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:25:16 PM PDT

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    •  Would've been cool if someone had invaded NOLA (3+ / 0-)

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      after Katrina.

      But with burma, and this U.S. administration, 10-1 we'd be setting up permenant military bases before the year was out.

    •  I think their fears for receiving humanitarian (2+ / 0-)

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      assistance is whether the foreigners coming in also have an agenda of encourging the local population to revolt.

      I don't agree with the idea of tying these two things together, but it exists no matter how we feel about the government. The remarks Laura Bush made about the situation doesn't help either.

      •  thank you -- Laura Bush, disastrous diplomat (1+ / 0-)

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        First lady Laura Bush said Tuesday that her husband's administration is prepared to slap additional sanctions on Burma's military government if it does not start moving toward democracy "within the next couple of days."

        USA Today. what a fabulous idea, Mrs. Bush. make those cyclone survivors pay for their non-democratic government.

        Speaking of the White House’s reaction to the cyclone disaster, it’s hard to imagine what the First Lady was thinking: "A White House press conference given by First Lady Laura Bush took a bizarre and insensitive twist when the focus of the conference, the devastation wrought by a powerful cyclone in Myanmar, switched to Jenna Bush’s upcoming wedding."

        The Carpetbagger Report

        But why respond to a catastrophe with such hostility? The awkward timing, as it turns out, may have had something to do with an event entirely unrelated to the cyclone.

        "I’m going to leave tomorrow for Crawford, for Jenna’s wedding, and I wanted to be able to make a statement about Burma before I left," the first lady told reporters.

        Crooks and Liars

    •  I wish it was that easy and could be done (0+ / 0-)

      cleanly, but as in Iraq there would be resistance and violence and many, many of the innocent we went there to help would be caught up in it.

      What the Burmese don't need is a war ravaged country to boot.

      Now, if it were a foreign occupation, that would be different.

      •  That's why it would be UN action (0+ / 0-)

        Isn't this one of the main points of the UN in the first place?  At some point, we say as a global community that you have to take care of your citizens.  There's a clear, immediate, and temporary need for our help, so this is textbook intervention.  And we don't need to make any explicit attempt to weaken the junta in the process, that will happen naturally.  We go in, we do what we can, and by showing our helpful side, we strengthen the hand of the pro-western Suu Kyi.  But I agree with you that there should be no occupation - we have to leave when the immediate affects of the cyclone have passed.  This is a humanitarian mission, not a military one.

  •  Thank you so much (9+ / 0-)

    for this diary. I've already donated to two NGOs, but feel like it will be for naught in this situation.  I cannot, ever, understand how "governments" can have so much contempt for their most vulnerable citizens.  I fear the death toll will double because of disease and starvation.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:19:54 PM PDT

  •  I've sent a letter to the Editor (7+ / 0-)

    but it hasn't been printed.  I'll try again.  Pathetic example of how we have squandered the chance to have a positive voice in the world under this administration.  Thanks for bringing this up here.

    "I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson

    by NearlyNormal on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:20:05 PM PDT

  •  asdf (4+ / 0-)

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    On the front page of the Washington Post they have a before and after shot of the coastline.  Devastating.

    If you are in DC see Man of La Mancha at the Church Street Theater opening 7/10/08

    by BDA in VA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:20:55 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for this essential diary, MB n/t (4+ / 0-)

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  •  perhaps we should send Laura Bush out (3+ / 0-)

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    for another round of badgering, hypocritical insults.

    We don't have time for short-term thinking.

    by Compound F on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:23:24 PM PDT

  •  Only $5 mil for aid?!?!? (4+ / 0-)

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    Yeah, that burns me up.

    While the corrupt military sit in their cozy mansions, these poor citizens have to suffer and struggle to find food and water to survive during this crisis.

    peace. harmony. tranquility.

    by Pitias on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:23:26 PM PDT

  •  Thanks MB (3+ / 0-)

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    the scope of this disaster is too large to comprehend.  We must not let this tragic event get buried in the election frenzy.

  •  This is so frightening (3+ / 0-)

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    It reminds me of the immediate aftermath of Chernobyl.  Remember how the (former) Soviet government refused to acknowledge that there had been an accident?

    How many people are going to die as a result of the secrecy of the Burmese government?

    "I run the kitchen, so I can stand the heat" - Nikki Giovanni

    by sistermoon on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:26:09 PM PDT

  •  Buddhist Prayer (4+ / 0-)

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    "This is perfect.  That is perfect.  Perfect comes from perfect.  If you take perfect away from perfect, the remainder is perfect.

    Let peace and peace and peace be upon you." - Upanishads

    Nam myoho renge kyo.

    "When Siddhartha has a goal, he does nothing. He thinks, he waits, he fasts. He goes through life like a stone through water." - H. Hesse, Siddhartha

    by thenekkidtruth on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:28:02 PM PDT

  •  UMMMMMMMM (2+ / 0-)

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    The Campaign says that the government spends half its budget on the military.

    .

    AND THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T??

    The closest I come to being a theist is when I scream "Oh God!" during sex.

    by Peter Formaini on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:30:41 PM PDT

  •  Church World Service CWS and Catholic Charities (2+ / 0-)

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    often are able to get into disaster areas without going thru some of the Red Tape other agencies experience. The United Methodist component of this coop goes by acronym UMCOR or United Mehtodist Committe On Relief.  They have a website and directions on how to contribute in ongoing charity services.  You can trust ALL of your money will be used as designated, too.

    •  UMCOR site re: Myanmar Emergency Fund (1+ / 0-)

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      Recommendation to give to this connection of Church World Services under United Methodist Church is:

      Checks should be made out to UMCOR:Myanmar Emergency Fund and on the note line write this information: Advance Number 3019674
      Mail to Myanmar Emergency Fund, UMCOR, PO BOX 9068, New Your, NY 10087

      There is also information about ongoing action on the UMCOR website and directions on how to give using credit cards, as well.

      •  Church relief sites for online contributions (1+ / 0-)

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        Myanmar cyclone links for various church-related agencies (they aren't there to push religion, just relief):

        ACT - International Action by Churches Together.

        UMCOR United Methodist Committee on Relief. (100% of relief gifts go to the cause intended; overhead is provided through designated giving within the church.)

        Church World Service

        Catholic Relief Services

        I've got nothing against non-church-related organizations. I do think it's good to go with a low-overhead agency, or one (like UMCOR) where the overhead is funded independently of the relief contributions.

  •  I just got this from MoveOn.org (8+ / 0-)

    Giving to the monks is a smart, fast way to get aid directly to Burma's people. Governments and international aid organizations are important, but face challenges—they may not be allowed into Burma, or they may be forced to provide aid according to the junta's rules. And most will have to spend large amounts of money just setting up operations in the country. The monks are already on the front lines of the aid effort—housing, feeding, and supporting the victims of the cyclone since the day it struck. The International Burmese Monks Organization will send money directly to each monastery through their own networks, bypassing regime controls.

    https://secure.avaaz.org/...

    Capitulation We Can Believe In!

    by DFH on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:38:35 PM PDT

  •  I'd personally (1+ / 0-)

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    execute every scumbag monster in that junta given the opportunity.

    This message has not been approved by the corporate media.

    by jre2k8 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:40:50 PM PDT

  •  Why would'nt the government accept the aid? (2+ / 0-)

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    if the aid are purely humanitarian? What are they afraid of? Are any strings attached to the aid? Or the aid workers/NGOs would push certain agenda? Both "good" sites for information contains "democracy/democratic", not that there is anything wrong with democracy...

    Lobbying is legalized bribery - by MyTake

    by MyTake on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:42:09 PM PDT

  •  My heart is breaking (10+ / 0-)

    I have worked exactly in the area of the Irawaddy Delta where the cyclone struck.  I spent a month criss-crossing the delta, and the few scenes that have made it onto TV are so familiar.  I am praying for my colleagues, and for all the wonderfully hospitable monks and villlagers I worked with.

    This is such a vulnerable area, as so many of the the people in the villages are subsistsence farmers living in simple thatch dwellings.  The water in the party of the delta is brackish.  How they will deal with the fresh water needs, given th junta's travel restrictions, is beyond me.  This is just a horrible comingled natural and political tragedy.

    I appreciate the diary very much, Meteor Blades, and strongly encourage everyone to follow the links and suggestions in this and the related diaries.  I will be doing what I can through my own modest channels.

    •  Sounds as if YOU should be writing ... (4+ / 0-)

      ...a Diary on your experiences there.

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:52:51 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe I'll try... (3+ / 0-)

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        I'm dealing with some unavoidable personal matters at the moment, and have only a little time to be on-line.

        If I could describe a single image from my time there though -- and one that keeps running through my mind now -- it was a night I spent in a rather remote monastery along one of the myriad channels of the delta.  I'd had a long and strenuous day at work, and was just recovering on my little sleeping pad.  In the soft candlelight of the monastery, my host, the senior monk, was quietly teaching and mentoring a younger monk, long into the evening.  Their shared chanting was so haunting and moving, and the humanity of their faith...  It brings tears to my eyes now.  I am just bearing that memory in my heart tonight, and hoping the people and place were able to weather this tragedy, and are providing service now.

        •  How fortunate you are... (3+ / 0-)

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          We saw a special on Burma a few years ago, and I was so moved by the people they talked with, and how beautiful the country was. They seem to be such kind and gentle people.

          Perhaps I will have a chance to travel there sometime in the future, if things change there. I hope they do.

          Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace ~~ Dalai Lama

          by happy in MA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:41:13 PM PDT

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  •  Makes you think about Iraq.... (5+ / 0-)

    Burma is just one example out of so many, of a country with far, far worse dictatorships than Iraq had under Hussein, who abuse, deprive and treat their citizens as expendable.  If ever a country was (literally) dying for outside help in escaping their miserable government, Burma is that country.

    I appreciate that we, or other countries, cannot just arbitrarily drop into countries with force and remove their government (although we certainly have done it on many occasions...usually not with great results....) but if the current administration really gave a rat's ass about the plights of people like the Burmese, we could be putting way more pressure on the international community that does have direct influence on Burma to HELP THOSE PEOPLE. They needed help BEFORE this catastrophe...

    One of my main reasons to support Obama is that I feel he will be far more sensitive and apply greater diplomacy to the world at large.  We have the power to use our wealth, military and world presence to bring about positive change, which is desperately needed in so many places.

    I can only hope that somehow out of this tragedy something changes for the beautiful people of Burma for the long term.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace ~~ Dalai Lama

    by happy in MA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:46:10 PM PDT

  •  Are you suggesting that we need to invade (1+ / 0-)

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    Burma, in order to ensure that its populace receives the humanitarian aid that's been pledged to it? Do you really think that that populace needs a war, in addition to the catastrophe it's already dealing with?

    •  I reported what Koucher and others ... (6+ / 0-)

      ...have said about this. What I said was:

      Millions of dollars have already been pledged for relief if only it can be delivered directly to those who need it. That, it seems clear, will take some blend of cajoling of and pressure on the junta to save their own people.

      No mention of invasion or war.

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:52:06 PM PDT

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      •  Could you explain in more detail (0+ / 0-)

        what kind of "pressure" you would like to see exerted on the Burmese junta? Is that "pressure" that would ultimately involve the threat of invasion and war? Or do you have something altogether different in mind?

        •  We could try offering (3+ / 0-)

          disinterested help and unmitigated goodwill.

          But that would be completely out of character.

          We've got an awfully big stick, but no standing.  No cred to call the Burmese Junta on anything.  

          No trust in the world.  No goodwill.  You have to practice those things.  Not torture and industrial mass murder.

          Should've impeached.

          It's the fascism, stupid!

    •  If the US had any credibility left, and resolve, (0+ / 0-)

      now would be the time to lead a full-powered peacekeeping force into the country, under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, with or without the consent of the junta.

      That would be a principled application of force, according to the "responsibility to protect" human rights doctrine.  But only the bizarro-universe United States, now in the seventh year of the Gore administration, would have the clout, credibility, and resources to do such a thing.

      Turned that page a long time ago...

      http://coolbluereason.blogspot.com/

      by Cool Blue Reason on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:21:36 AM PDT

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  •  International Rescue Committee also going in - (3+ / 0-)

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    (repeating my comment here b/c so essential to spread information) -

    From their site:

    http://www.theirc.org/...

    IRC Alert: International Rescue Committee Dispatches Emergency Response Team to Myanmar; Says Access is Critical to Saving Lives

    "This is a major catastrophe that demands an immediate and robust response," says Greg Beck, the IRC’s Asia regional director, currently in Bangkok.  "But everything hinges on access. The international aid community needs to get staff and supplies into devastated communities rapidly if we’re going to avert further deaths."

    The IRC is initially deploying operations, logistics, water and sanitation experts and hopes to bring in medical staff soon for an operation that would provide clean water, sanitation services, shelter materials, other urgent supplies and health care.

    To donate:

    The IRC is accepting contributions to support emergency relief programs and long-term recovery assistance in Myanmar.  Donations in the U.S. can be made by calling 1-877-REFUGEE (1-877-733-8433) or by clicking here:
    https://secure.ga3.org/...

    In the UK and Europe, by calling 44 020 7692 2735 or visiting: http://www.theirc.org/...

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    by Blue Waters Run Deep on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:50:08 PM PDT

  •  The Burmese Government talks to the UN (1+ / 0-)

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    but they seem not to like the US so much.

    Embargos never seem to work well..

    I have a bad feeling about what may happen here as a result of water borne disease.

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    by ohcanada on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:53:57 PM PDT

  •  Sounds Just Like The Bush Junta And NO (0+ / 0-)

    Strikingly similar, really.

    "I've been an oilman all my life, but this is one crisis we can't drill our way out of" --T. Boone Pickens

    by bincbom on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:56:35 PM PDT

  •  I hate to say it, but... (1+ / 0-)

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    If you think this is the greatest catastrophe we will see this decade, wait a while.  It is conceviable that climate change is going to make this look like a happy memory with melting glaciers.  China is still burning more and more coal each year.  We may see well over 100,000 dead due to this Myanmar event, but wait until we see a 10-20 million person loss some time soon. Possibly in China. Save your checkbooks.

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    by DanfromRaisingKaine on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:00:49 PM PDT

  •  The United States of America (1+ / 0-)

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    under the Bush Administration and the Bushco enabling congress has very little moral credibility to offer the world.  

    Ditto for the US populace, which has, sum and total, kept Bushco in power, with special notice due to the Security State Democratic party.

    Before we get too morally outraged over the failures and brutality of the Burmese Junta, we need to get a little perspective.

    Compare 100,000 dead in Burma due to natural disaster and government neglect vs. 200,000 (lowball estimate) Iraqis killed by deliberate acts of the United States government and people.

    Imagine a world where we weren't pissing away billions of dollars every week so our leaders can strut around as War Presidents.  

    Consider what we could be doing with that money, and with a little moral clarity.

    Weep for Burma, yes, but save your outrage for the sorry state of our own nation.

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  •  Attention (0+ / 0-)

    Has either of our candidates spoken about this?  I think, in addition to our emails, if Obama or Clinton would spend some time talking about this it might be helpful to stirring people (and, of course, be a good demonstration of leadership and values).   (BTW, both the BBC and CBC have been covering this fairly prominently.)

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    by shock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:06:29 PM PDT

  •  Obama (2+ / 0-)

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    Has Obama made any statements regarding Burma?

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    by Sam from Ithaca on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:07:12 PM PDT

  •  Well (0+ / 0-)

    I hate to sound callous, but don't we have our own problems to solve HERE at home before we go around spending money on other countries?

    •  Three points to consider (3+ / 0-)

      1. As the richest country in the world, we have a moral obligation to help other countries in need. This does not excuse the administration from creating and implementing domestic policies that address the many needs of US residents (which the current admin. is most definitely NOT doing), but we do need to help when needed. We currently do not do nearly enough on that score.
      1. As individuals, who are vastly better off than pretty much anyone in Burma, and most folks in poor countries around the world, many of us feel a moral obligation to help others in need. It's called karma.
      1. Personally, I give to causes within the US as well as helping out from time to time when these crises arise, especially in a country like Burma with a corrupt, inept and brutal dicatatorship who refuses to help its own people.  It's a small way to try to give back to my fellow human's on this small planet.  

      Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace ~~ Dalai Lama

      by happy in MA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:30:59 PM PDT

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      •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

        1.  We are not the richest country in the world.  Not even top 5.  United Arab Emirates anyone?  I understand moral obligations and we are certainly depleted on the good end of morality.  However, I don't think the United States or Americans in general have any obligation to take care of other countries before taking care of themselves.  After all, if we can't keep good house, how can we be expected to give 'extra' to others?
        1.  Yes karma.  And what then is to be considered for our own homeless citizens? Veterans? Lack of health care? Lack of proper schools and educational facilities?  I realize I'm just scratching the surface here, but there is a crisis happening in our country and it shouldn't take a typhoon-like event to bring attention to it.  How about the suicide rate among Iraq/Afghanistan veterans on leave?  Why should tax-payer dollars get exported to foreign countries for aide when people are losing their jobs and homes here in America?  Its called common sense.
        1.  I applaud you for your generosity and like you I give to local causes when I can.  However, for reasons stated above, I do not see logical reasoning to give to foreign aide when gas, food, and utility costs continue to increase while my paycheck stays the same.  Perhaps there will come a time when I will see a lower cost of living combined with an increase in pay and I will give more to various charities abroad.  Though at this moment, the way I see it, there are people in this country just as desperate and deserving of our charity as those across the ocean.
        •  I mis-typed (0+ / 0-)

          I meant to say, "As one of the richest"...long day. I have heard of the Emirates....

          Other than that, it is my belief that we all individually should contribute whatever we can to whomever most needs help at a given time. If you are in a low income bracket, then maybe it's just holding open a door for someone who needs help...it's to the scale that you can "afford" to give, and if everyone did it, the world would be a much different place.

          This country is so f'd up it's hard to believe most days.  I don't disagree with any of the points you mention.   But, it doesn't mean we shouldn't help others in times of dire need.

          The shame on this country from Bush's incompentence and criminal behaviour will take years to overcome.

          I wish you well.

          Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace ~~ Dalai Lama

          by happy in MA on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:45:39 AM PDT

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  •  Its All Bushs Fault. He Has No Moral Authority To (0+ / 0-)

    Tell anyone what they should do.

    When you behave like a tyrant around the world thats what you get.

    McCain/(Hagee+Parsley) '08 "We Hunt Jews and Muslims So You Dont Have To. Straight Talk"

    by DFutureIsNow on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:10:07 PM PDT

  •  I support the Responsibility to Protect (0+ / 0-)

    doctrine and feel it should be applied to much more frequently. It should definitely be applied in this case.

  •  The White House isn't helping (1+ / 0-)

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    when it criticizes the Mynmar/Burma junta and puts strings on U.S. aid.

    There is so much confusion and it's isn't clear which aid groups and government teams the junta will let in, if any. It's hard to the public to identify where a donation would actually prove helpful.

  •  Unfortunately, we have no moral authority.... (1+ / 0-)

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    ....in this regard.

    Please don't tell me you feel sorry for Ben. Ben is a well cared for dalmatian and has not been harmed by my political views.

    by Bensdad on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:19:27 PM PDT

  •  See avaaz.org comments upstream (1+ / 0-)

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    Avaaz.org is an extraordinary organization; if you can, help them help Burma. :)

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:22:02 PM PDT

  •  The Burmese Junta behaving like somebody we know (1+ / 0-)

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    The less poor people after a catastrophe, the more resources remaining for the rich.

    There's a population boom going on after all.

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    by eroded47095 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:26:52 PM PDT

  •  i was afraid the junta would use this as... (2+ / 0-)

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    an opportunity to kill Aung San Suu Kyi.

  •  This is demoralizing (1+ / 0-)

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    Besides the obvious reasons for this being demoralizing, it's a bit discouraging that a diary like this will struggle to generate 100 comments.

    But "Clinton wants Obama to retire her debt, then name her Queen of the Universe!"  Damn, that'll bring the readers out of the woodwork.

    "Jiminy God!" --Larry Craig, on the shocking notion that anyone might think he was gay

    by rlamoureux on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:33:36 PM PDT

  •  I blame the xenophobic and horrid regime (2+ / 0-)

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    of Burma -- but I also wonder if, were it not for Iraq, whether the government there might be a bit more sanguine about allowing the Pacific Fleet (and their rescue efforts) in.  Just a thought.  I bless all those who are working hard to bring relief tonight, and I am praying, with all my heart, that the relief efforts reach those who need them (especially the children) very, very soon.

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    by noweasels on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:39:29 PM PDT

  •  If it's any consolation (3+ / 0-)

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    The Lions of Burma will be able to get emergency assistance from LCIF which would be approved literally 24 hours after requesting it.  Fortunately because they are local they would not have any of the issues of international assistance (even though it technically would be international assistance).

    LCIF also supported efforts on 9/11 in NY, Katrina and the tsunami.  100% of the money that is donated to LCIF goes to humanitarian aid.

    Ability is what you're capable of doing..motivation determines what you do...attitude determines how well you do it.

    by MA Voter on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:39:46 PM PDT

  •  Request for info on entering Myanmar. (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone here know the ins and outs of this? I came darn near close to jumping on a plane when the junta reared up against the monks last winter. Now I'm considering it again before/after I go back to India this coming winter. There is a story of daily life there that really wants to be told and I feel drawn to taking it in. Any "insider" info as to how to deal with bureaucratic impediments would be much appreciated.

    fyi, I am a fine art photographer, writer, painter and feeling human being. I have no ax to grind. I'd just welcome being in this culture and reflecting it back to the rest of the world in accord with my limited capacity.

    Please email me at thewesternsun at gmail.com . Thank you.

    "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." MLKing

    by TheWesternSun on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:16:10 PM PDT

  •  Can you call it genocide (2+ / 0-)

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    when the very leaders of nations fail so miserably and then fail to act to prevent death?

    Can we say that BushCheney was similarly corrupt in its failure before, during and after Katrina?

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:20:41 PM PDT

  •  "Fox Gnus" reporter (0+ / 0-)

    actually pronounces the silent "J" in "junta" and grins at the camera while saying "Gunta."

    I give up. The morons win.

    How much is enough, Gordon?

    by SecondComing on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:21:06 PM PDT

    •  No they don't. (0+ / 0-)

      They don't win as long as there are people like us with heart and even a modicum of resources, call them dollars or whatever, that have not been sucked dry by the plutocracy, funds that we can contribute to helping these people to simply survive. Am I hot about this? Damn straight! I'm 62 and I have no idea how I'm going to survive. But I know I'm a lot more comfortable about it that these people. Please let's all wake up!

      "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." MLKing

      by TheWesternSun on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:40:38 PM PDT

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    •  It's not silent, it's pronounced fairly ... (3+ / 0-)

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      ...close to the English "h".

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:08:21 PM PDT

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  •  Dr Suu Kyi - 1990: (2+ / 0-)

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    "It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."

    This statement by Dr Kyi could also be used to describe todays version of the GOP.

  •  i sent $ to Medecins Sans Frontieres (2+ / 0-)

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    I figure they are helping people stay alive.

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    by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:38:02 PM PDT

  •  We can't help them much (0+ / 0-)

    but China can.  China is the Burmese junta's patron; it has to take the lead here.

    This is the paradigmatic case where our aid will simply not go to the deserving recipients but will be diverted by the rapacious government.  The junta will block any real aid -- they don't care a bit what happens to the separatist Karen people in Kayin and Kayah states, no more than they do about the Chin or Kachin peoples.

    China props up the Burmese junta.  China wants to be known as a leading international power.  Well, China can goddamn well step up right now and show that it can shoulder the burdens of being a leader among nations.  Thanks to China, we have scant influence in Burma, and I for one will judge China by how well it responds to this disaster.  They wanted a sphere of influence, they should goddamn well take care of it in time of need.

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    by Seneca Doane on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:10:04 AM PDT

  •  more links to online aid agencies (0+ / 0-)

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    It looks like we might invade.
    "BURMA DIARY 4: 100,000 DEAD. INVADE NOW?"
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  •  Preemptive Invasion (1+ / 0-)

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    Hey, I'm not a fan of the doctrine of preemption.  But this is precisely the type of scenario where I think there mey be a compelling argument for its application.  

    The junta would rather its people die than open its borders to international aid.  Since conservatives now appear to argue that the real benefit of preemptively invading Iraq was to liberate its people, shouldn't they be leading the charge to topple the junta?

    Frankly, I think they'd find a lot of bipartisan support.... Just sayin...

    •  It wouldn't be "preemption" (0+ / 0-)

      or "preventive" war, as no other state is credibly threatened by Myanmar.

      The use of force would probably fall under the "responsibility to protect" doctrine of international human rights law.  To be "legal," the peacekeeping/stabilization force would have to be authorized by the UN Security Council under Chapter VII of the UN Charter.  Without authorization, it would probably be in "illegal, but moral" territory.

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      by Cool Blue Reason on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:27:12 AM PDT

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    •  There's always someone looking for a new and (0+ / 0-)

      different way to justify unilateral use of US force.

  •  Just (