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Open Thread for Night Owls & Early Birds

Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:39:56 PM PDT

The upsurge in the youth vote this primary season has been nothing short of phenomenal. This sharp rise in turnout has been widely chalked up to two factors: the war in Iraq and the presence of Barack Obama in the field of candidates.

In Iowa, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma and Texas, the youth vote tripled over 2004. In Tennessee, it quadrupled. In Louisiana and Massachusetts, it doubled. Other states also saw large increases. It appears not just possible but likely that this year will break the record for the youth vote, a record set in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential contest. That year, 52% of eligible 18-to-24-year-olds showed up at the polls (compared with 68% of those 25 and older).

After '72, until 2004, the youth vote plunged downward except for the uptick in 1992 - which was in great part accounted for by the youthful casualness of a candidate named Bill Clinton, who was a year younger when he took the oath of office than Barack Obama will be when and if he does.

The primary turnout is a heartening prospect for Democrats and those who lean Democratic because young voters have picked Democrats over Republicans by close to a 2:1 margin overall in the primaries. And that fits into a whole range of other good news for Democrats that has been partly obscured by the acerbic nature of the Obama-Clinton battle since Super Tuesday. Among them the facts that fewer people self-identify as Republicans since 2004, and that both Obama and Clinton have (personal loans notwithstanding) raised more cash, recruited more volunteers and generated more turnout than anybody could have imagined even a year ago. This is now backed up by Senator Obama's 50-state voter registration drive.

What all this seems to presage, the youth vote certainly, but all the other positive factors as well, is the very real possibility of what Paul Rosenberg at Open Left has been harping on for some time: realignment. A shift in partisan power and political outlook and approach as striking as that of 1932, as DHinMI has written about here,  here, and here.

In short, not only would the Democrats win the White House, but they might even better their 2006 net gain in the House of Representatives with 30-40 more seats, add three or four seats to their Senate majority, and continue the gains they made in state legislatures two years ago. That wouldn't be a mere blowout. It would put the Democrats in position to shape the political landscape for the next decade or two.

Whether they would actually do so should they turn all the good news into success at the polls in November - or whether the change they would usher in could legitimately be labeled "progressive" - remains, of course, to be seen. Realignment is about a lot more than who controls Congress, indeed, about a lot more than electoral politics in general. But first things first.

 

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  •  a lot of my friends (16+ / 0-)

    registered Independent for their first time, and they didn't want to change their registration while they were in college, and there is a near universal hatred of BushCo, so prepare to see some major fun this November, when they actually vote!

    John McCain goes to bed every night after servicing by Joe Lieberman.

    by bhagamu on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:42:34 PM PDT

  •  Watching HRC's press conference on C-SPAN (11+ / 0-)

    She's pissing me off... she's pushing the spin that her supporters may not elect Obama in November so supers should give her the nomination...

    I wish I had a cheaper TV, I'm so tempted to throw something at her face right now.

    Proud Sponsor of Hope '08
    My Political (and moral) Compass: -9.00, -8.72

    by bmozaffari on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:44:53 PM PDT

    •  Don't you just love her slavemaster response (4+ / 0-)

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      to the Black vote?  "Oh, yes'm we sure is going to vote for you, cause you sure is the democrat, and we black people vote for you."

      But, White "blue collar" (gosh, I'm coming to hate this term) will automatically vote for me in the fall.

      •  I probably identify: I'm Black (2+ / 0-)

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        sometimes African-American...

      •  Don't you know what would happen if Clinton wins? (7+ / 0-)

        The sky will open ... the light will come down ... celestial choirs will be singing ... and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect.

        African Americans will realize that the world is just not ready for one of them to be president, so they will embrace the reality that they must vote Democrat not because Democrats have earned their vote, but because the suckers have no other choice.

        We liberals activists will prove to the party leaders that they can do what they like, cause after all it is a two-party system and we have nowhere else to go. We will use this opportunity to tell the party leaders that no matter what they do, they have our unconditional support.

        Young people will once again prove why they're stereotyped as cool calculating individuals, who after seeing their hopes and wishes crushed, will embrace the lesser of the evils remaining.

        Finally, superdelegates will prove to the world that being mentally challenged is not a detriment to being a superdelegate but rather a requirement, but embracing Clinton's arguments and endorsing her en masse.

        Oh yeah, I can just see it happening any second now.

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        by bmozaffari on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:21:16 PM PDT

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        •  Love it!!! But one of the reasons (2+ / 0-)

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          why her response stuck with me, aside from the obvious, was that it was Ron Allan (AA journalist with NBC) who asked the question.  And Andrea Mitchell today on Tweety referred to it, and how Allan had engaged the Clinton campaign on the plane the previous night on this issue.  AA journos are not going to get into it with a campaign regarding race issues unless something egregious is being said, and from the press conference I got confirmation.  The Clinton campaign is truly living in the 90's.  They have not f*g concept about how the world has changed, nor do they really care.

          They have more in common with Rev. Wright than Obama does.

        •  Come on, Obama is the nominee (1+ / 0-)

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          Even Russert admitted it.  Obama is the nominee.  Hillary is just waiting in the wings in case something unknown comes out about Obama.  She is acting like a standby in a play.  Hillary's campaign is just a facade.  They are putting up a good front, but Obama has the numbers. The anti-war movement is too strong to support Hillary as the candidate.  She just does not have the votes.   We need to concentrate on beating McCain.

          •  If she would just shut up (0+ / 0-)

            All that sounds good but while she keeps going on TV and saying that many of her supporters will not vote for Obama, despite her efforts to the contrary, she is doing her best to ensure a McCain victory.

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            by bmozaffari on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:05 AM PDT

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            •  With her last loan to the campaign (1+ / 0-)

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              for a total of $11.5M, the talking heads say she released this fact early so she could attract more money from contributors. It seems to me admitting the fundraising is not going so well is another wheel coming off the bus.

              BTW McCain has a fundraiser with a $100,000 plate dinner (if I understood the newsreport) which should net him about $7M in one fell swoop.

              Kind of hard to be Joe Sixpack when people will pony up $100K for a plate of rubber chicken and soggy salad just to hear you drop pearls of wisdom before them.

      •  I think it's worse than that (5+ / 0-)

        I think she's trying to convince white democrats to vote their race and trying to convince supers that this will happen.
        When Barack Obama said early in the primary season that he thought he could get voters that Hillary couldn't he was speaking about her well known "high negatives".  His calculus included Democrats plus anticipated gains from unhappy Republicans and Independants.
        Hillary twisted this meme to be "my votes" vs. "his votes" within the party because she knew he was right.
        The race-baiting began in NH (the second primary) when to her shock, Barack Obama won IA.

        She played to white liberal racism and counted on blatant racism to marginalize her opponent, and damn the consequences.  

        In her cynical math there are more whites than blacks now she needed to convince whites that blacks were voting their race and so should they.  

        Instead of celebrating the record turnout of the black community, it was made to look like a bad thing, something suspect.  Through surrogates, she continually brought up race in a way sure to outrage blacks and be noticed by whites.  Once Barack was getting 90% of the black vote she began pointing to the stats with a just sayin' attitude rather than a we realize we have a problem attitude.

        She wants whites to worry and vote race.  I loathe her for this.

      •  I'm not black but (1+ / 0-)

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        Clinton's statements are making me sick to my stomach. In the unlikely event she somehow won the nomination, a clothes pin wouldn't be enough to get in the voting booth and pull the lever for her; I'd need a space suit or something.

        She needs to withdraw to retain her own dignity now.

      •  Have people here already seen her comments (2+ / 0-)

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        in Newsweek?

        I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.

        . . .

        Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you’re a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

    •  Sounds just perzackly like blackmail to me. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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      Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.

      by emmasnacker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:24:13 PM PDT

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    •  That is the refrain for early morning (2+ / 0-)

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      Obama is not electable because Hillary's people will go to McCain. The ramifications of this are staggering if a president represents his base.  Hillary is saying that her presidency would be closer to a McCain presidency than an Obama presidency, if her supporters will so easily switch parties.

      If her supporters wish to continue this refrain, they need to clarify if they feel Hillary supporters really share that many values with McCain voters or if the subtext is that her followers will never vote for an African American. It does not paint a pretty picture either way.

      OTOH MSNBC is painting her WV supporters as uneducated, unskilled or blue collar, male, older, lower income and pay brackets and generally not very successful in life. Is this really reflective of her support? The point was made that WV really lacks major cities, industrial centers or major university towns which is where Obama finds his support.    

    •  When I watched the beginning, (0+ / 0-)

      I asked myself, "Is she on crack?"  Although, I cleaned up the language.

      McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist

      by Nonconformist on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:11:02 AM PDT

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  •  Hillary would have it if it wasn't for those (11+ / 0-)

    meddling kids.

  •  The Better Question: Will youth turnout exceed (3+ / 0-)

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    turnout for the rest of the population, my early guess is yes.

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. - Mahatma Gandhi (-8.12,-7.49)

    by pleasedontbefake on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:47:13 PM PDT

  •  Realignment IS coming (12+ / 0-)

    Smart political scientists know this.  And it's coming regardless of whether Dems win the White House this particular election cycle.  The playing field is increasingly against the Republicans, and against anti-government "conservative" ideas.

    Head to Heading Left, BlogTalkRadio's progressive radio site!

    by thereisnospoon on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:47:41 PM PDT

    •  Hence Capturing the Court for Half a Century (5+ / 0-)

      or so.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:02:45 PM PDT

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    •  More like dealignment (5+ / 0-)

      because there has yet to emerge any substantive, attractive, operational political-ideological intellectual alternative to post-Reaganite conservatism.  With the rejection of the dominant ideology, but a vacuum in terms of alternatives, these are exceptionally dangerous/treacherous times.  The fact that both parties, the press and the punditry are all still on the same page suppressing any genuinely "Left" critiques and alternatives from emerging suggest that the successor to Reaganism will also be conservative/rightist in nature.  That it will be force at least initially to be an anti-establishment rightism makes it only more dangerous, not less so.

      A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow

      by ActivistGuy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:23:04 PM PDT

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      •  I think part of the problem has been ... (6+ / 0-)

        ...that all of us - even the most progressive/left - have been in a defensive posture for a very long time.  Against Reagan (I could go back farther still) and Bush Sr., and, on many issues, against Clinton, and since then, hard-pressed against Bush Jr.

        Thus do we wind up today with foreign policy prescriptions ranging from the liberal and conservative realists to the neocons, but nothing that is, forgive the cliché, paradigm-shifting. Speak the word "imperialist" as an epithet or critique for anything but neoconservativsm, for instance, and 85% of progressives will shout you down. Introduce an alternative to the mantra of "free market rules," and you'll reduce your audience by half, at least.

        The advantage of a Democratic blowout is that it would allow a left that has long been on the defensive to take the offensive again, something that, as much as we desired it, has been - outside a handful of issues - impossible the past three decades.

        I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

        by Meteor Blades on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:36:31 PM PDT

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      •  you don't think (1+ / 0-)

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        that Obama's post-partisan progressivism is an ideological alternative?

        •  it isn't (1+ / 0-)

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          at least not as yet. I wouldn't even call it progressivism, except in the vaguest sense. It's entirely a blank slate.

          Obama is campaigning on openness, unity, hearing all sides of the issue in debate. That's not any kind of ideology. It's emphasizing the importance of the process, over what that process is intended to achieve. In short, he makes an end of the means and omits any discussion of the ends.

          With Obama I don't get any sense of strong movement in a particular direction, as one got from FDR and Reagan. And that's what the poster is talking about (I think).

      •  rec'd a thousand times (1+ / 0-)

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        we have no positive direction. We know where we don't want to be--George W. Bush--but we have no idea where we do want to be.

        With the GOP plutocrat wing discredited for the moment, the evolution of the right will take a more populist tinge. This is why Huckabee was so troubling--he spoke of helping the poor, although his economic proposals were sheer fraud. And, however genially, he preached intolerance and hatred for everyone who did not conform to his narrow, dogmatic creed.

        Bush was a plutocrat who managed to hitch the religious right to his wagon and reap the benefit of their zealous grassroots efforts. While he threw the fundies a few bones to keep them happy and voting, the plutocrats remained firmly in control.

        In the future, we may well see a dangerous inversion of that paradigm: a populist religious fundamentalist, who manages to convince the plutocrats that he will be good for business, while keeping himself and his religious agenda firmly in the drivers' seat.

        This populist would, like Huckabee, preach a mixture of far-left economic proposals claiming to help the poor, as well as draconian and reactionary social ideas: racism, nativism, homophobia, male supremacy etc. Unlike Huckabee, he would place greater emphasis on militarism and fighting radical Islam.

        If we enter another economic depression, this approach will be the only one that could possibly be a winner for the Republicans. And the kind of person it would bring to power would be much more dangerous than Bush (who is dangerous enough).

      •  Only (0+ / 0-)

        if the DLC is allowed to rule the day.

  •  Teacher fired for wizardry (7+ / 0-)

    Read the diary here

    the full story is here

    we are calling for an all out bombardment in emails and phone calls to these 2 people.

    Principal: Dave Estabrook
    destabro@pasco.k12.fl.us

    Superintendent
    Heather Fiorentino
    813/794-2651

    I never lie to any man because I don't fear anyone. The only time you lie is when you are afraid -John Gotti

    by Code Breaker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:48:22 PM PDT

  •  Thoughts on congress? (4+ / 0-)

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    I'm looking at the presidential race and wondering how  many more seats in the Senate and the House Democrats would need to pick up in order to allow a Democratic president to be effective.

    Anyone?

  •  Jamie Kirchick Crosses his quotes On Faith...... (5+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    Kirchick gets his facts wrong on the ‘reality-based community.’

    In a Politico op-ed yesterday, Jamie Kirchick accused liberals of embracing "religious extremism." Kirchick opened his argument by attacking the fact that some liberal bloggers call themselves the "reality-based community," which he cast as a "direct response" to the "faith-based community" represented by President Bush’s Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. But Kirchick has his facts embarrassingly wrong. Here’s the actual source of the netroots "reality-based community" moniker:

       The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush:

           The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That’s not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[1]

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:51:00 PM PDT

    •  Linguistic jujitsu (1+ / 0-)

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      We have seen the same thing when fundamentalists set up their favorite straw man, the average atheist.  They proceed along proving to the faithful that atheism is just another religion and can be diced and sliced under the same rules. Evolution is another "religion" as is "secular humanism".

      It is just a ploy to draw the discussion into irrelevencies.  

  •  The Youth Vote, 1992 (5+ / 0-)

    It is interesting to note that the "Youth Vote" from 1992 -- the people Clinton brought into the party -- are today between 34 and 40.   According to a few of those demographic polls I remember seeing here, that's DailyKos's biggest age group.  I wonder how many of "us" were part of that youth vote blip and stayed around to become political junkies.  

    Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

    by shock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:51:05 PM PDT

    •  My first vote (4+ / 0-)

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      was for the midterms in 86, the year I turned 18. My political nature predates my political powers....

      Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

      by gracchus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:59:23 PM PDT

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    •  See How Participation Plummetted (2+ / 0-)

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      Interesting to compare to critiques of young boomers becoming inactive.

      Looks to me like life happens to all generations.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:04:12 PM PDT

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      •  yeah. Sad. (2+ / 0-)

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        I hope that the youth vote that comes in this year is sustained.  But even if the percentages don't maintain, it's sobering to realize that some (small but important) fraction of this year's youth vote will be the core activists of our party not so far in the future.

        Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

        by shock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:16:34 PM PDT

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      •  Or it could be a response to their (0+ / 0-)

        disappointment to his pandering and the shallow nature of his first term.

        His lack of backbone re: Lani Guinier, Zoe Lundstrom, Don't Ask, Don't Tell...Appointing Hillary as the head of the healthcare issue (a person who had never held executive office before) and it subsequent failure; the leaks....

        The first term of Clinton was one small fire after another and very little was accomplished...but some good Democrats lost their seats in defending his budget.

    •  By the way... (3+ / 0-)

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      I didn't mean to give Bill Clinton all the credit.  I was a part of that blip and I don't remember it as being Clinton that inspired me but rather world events of the late 80s / early 90s.  We saw the Berlin wall come down, and Tienamen square, and the first Gulf War... the world was changing (yet again).  We wanted to be part of it.  Not like the 60s -- nowhere near, I imagine -- but still, enough to bring us to the polls that year.

      Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

      by shock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:06:57 PM PDT

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  •   More Iraq is just like... from Max Boot (5+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    Max Boot Compares Walled Baghdad Neighborhoods To American Gated Communties

    Today, Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Max Boot continued to cheerlead for the "success" of the surge in Iraq in an online debate. Boot insisted that Iraq has met two-thirds of the original 18 benchmarks, that the government’s offensive in Basra was successful, and that the so-called Sons of Iraq will always remain loyal to the Shiite-controlled Iraqi state.

    Boot concluded by conceding that there are walls separating Sunni neighborhoods from Shia, but dismissed the fact by stating simply that "there are walls around many gated communities in the U.S. too":

       It’s true that there are walls around Dora and other Baghdad neighborhoods. ... But then there are walls around many gated communities in the U.S. too. The walls per se are not evidence of reconciliation, I’ll grant you that. But nor are they evidence that reconciliation is impossible. They are one of the important security measures implemented in the past year that is reducing violence and making possible political progress—which is real, whether you admit it or not.

    There is a world of difference between American gated communities — where at least 7 million families have chosen to live — and the walls that divide Baghdad. The policy, begun last April, of walling off neighboring communities with a "12-foot high, three mile long wall" is hardly the benign trend Boot describes. The move was widely condemned by the Iraqi press, and Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki ordered a halt to its construction almost immediately. As one Iraqi put it, "This will make the whole district a prison."

    Remember Baghdad is Just like the County Fair
    Remember Baghdad is Just like Midtown Manhattan

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:53:19 PM PDT

    •  I bet Max thinks of Gaza as a gated community (1+ / 0-)

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      and the IDF as security guards. He may also consider Attica or SingSing similar gated communities. Gitmo would have to be the most exclusive gated community; eat your heart out Palm Springs.

      The sad thing is people actually get a paycheck for writing this sort of silliness.

  •  Just made my room res. for Portland this weekend (7+ / 0-)

    Yes We Can!

    "we have the most radical president we have ever had, leading our country right now, and he is completely uneducable." - Seymour Hersh

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:53:56 PM PDT

  •  McCain’s Big Idea:A Human Trafficking Task (6+ / 0-)

    http://thinkprogress.org/...

    McCain’s Big Idea: Create A Human Trafficking Task Force (That Already Exists)

    In Rochester, Michigan earlier this morning, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) delivered a speech outlining his "vision for defending the freedom and dignity of the world’s vulnerable." During the speech, McCain noted that "the State Department estimates that between 15,000 and 18,000 human slaves are brought into the United States, many of whom are forced into the sex trade every year."

    Arguing that the U.S. government has not done enough to address this dire situation, McCain said "we need to do more," adding that as president, he would establish a task force to "increase cooperation and communication between" federal agencies to combat human trafficking:

       While the past few years have seen increased efforts on the part of the State and Justice Departments and the FBI to combat the human slave trade, we must do more. As President, I’ll increase cooperation and communication between all agencies of the federal government by establishing an Inter-Agency Task Force on Human Trafficking, whose purpose will be to focus exclusively on the prosecution of human traffickers and the rescue of their victims.

    Yes John McCain traveled back in time to create a task force he just oh nevermind.......

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:55:05 PM PDT

  •  '92>'96 (6+ / 0-)

    The sharp dive can be attributed to Bill's embrace of  the DrugWar, after throwing us the "didn't inhale" wink and nod in '92.

    Just after the '92 convention, his Mississipi river bus tour stopped in Osseo, Wisconsin, where he spoke for 8 min utes with medical marijuana patient Jacki Rickert, who'd been approvced cfor, but not yet admitted to, the federal mmj program when PoppaBush closed the program.

    Bill: "I feel yor pain" and "When I'm President you'll get your medicine." All she got when she wrote the WhiteHouse was a form letter, "If Drugs were legal, my brother Roger would be dead."

    Last February, I picketed Bill's Madison appearance with a sign "Where's Jacki's Medicine?"

    WI DSem Chair joe Wineke, who was escorting Bill, recently told me Bill had asked the meaning of the sign. Joe, who'd met Jacki at the ceremony marking the introduction of the Jacki rickert Medical marijuana Act in the State Legislature, recounted the 1992 encounter for him. Bill denied remembering his 1992 meeting.

    Wisconsin State Journal columnist Susan Lampert Smith coverfed the picket in her Primary-evve column, Time has passed Clinton generation by.

    Out on the sidewalk was someone else who remembered.

    It was another graying Madison icon, marijuana activist Ben Masel, who was sandwiched by Secret Service guys in their sharp suits. Masel was holding up a sign that said, "Where's Jacki's medicine? "

    The way Masel tells it, Jacki Rickert, who suffers from a painful connective tissue disorder, met Clinton on his 1992 bus trip through Wisconsin, and asked him to legalize marijuana for medical use. Clinton told her, in his husky drawl, I feel your pain.

    But when he got into office, the president who didn't inhale didn't legalize medical marijuana. Jacki didn 't get her medicine. The rest of us who voted for him didn't get our health-care reform.

    How will the future play out for today's Obama girls?

    I do know this: After two hours on the cold concrete steps of the Stock Pavilion, I felt my own pain.

    Where 's my medicine?



    The 4th Amendment: It's not just for dope dealers anymore.

    by ben masel on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:59:30 PM PDT

  •  What a downer! (4+ / 0-)

    I was all excited, thinking of my daughter and her husband as part of that growing "youth vote." Then I looked at the ages, and realized they are too old to be part of that vote.  Oops!!

    As one who was part of that first wave of youth vote in 72, I'm thrilled to see this trend.

  •  Keeping a Democratic majority (3+ / 0-)

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    progressive will take constant work. Politics tends to serve the interests of the wealthy without constant work pushing things in the other direction.

    Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

    by gracchus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:00:57 PM PDT

    •  So Maybe There's a More Fundamental Problem to (1+ / 0-)

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      solve.

      The Clintons are extremists of presuming that ours is the only of all possible worlds.

      Maybe other worlds are possible.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:06:01 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not a utopian (2+ / 0-)

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        peraspera, ThompsonLazyBoy

        I don't believe in perfect solutions, and I think things can pretty much always get worse. That said, I don't think it's utopian, or even particularly idealistic, to establish public policy to serve the broader public interest, not primarily the interests of the wealthy.  

        Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

        by gracchus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:12:05 PM PDT

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  •  hey, folks. (7+ / 0-)

    if you want to learn about what's happening with the youth vote this year (and learn about how this came about) you should really read fellow kossack mike connery's new book, Youth to Power: How Today's Young Voters Are Building Tomorrow's Progressive Majority

    it's a truly outstanding piece of work from someone who has been busting his ass in youth organizing for the last 5 years or so.

    seriously. you'll be glad you did.

    "after the Rapture, we get all their shit"

    It's time: the albany project.

    by lipris on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:04:38 PM PDT

  •  Give FL and MI their pledged delegates! Damn (1+ / 0-)

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    ScottyUrb

    The voters had no choice in the matter. It was the elected people's fault. How about giving them their pledged delegates and not the super delegates? Levin and Nelson were both chearleaders for breaking DNC rules, why punish the voters.. punish them and them alone!

    All the Congressmen and legislators and mayors who are superdelegates or DNC members had the influence to stop it... and they didn't. Instead we make the voters suffer? Seriously, WTF.

    •  How Bout Voters Who Stayed Home Knowing (6+ / 0-)

      the contest didn't matter?

      How do you want to give them their voice?

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:07:51 PM PDT

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    •  Just curious... (0+ / 0-)

      I am sympathetic to your argument, but I'm curious if you distinguish between Michigan and Florida.  They seem to be different to me for a few reasons, but one that I think may be important is that only Clinton was on the ballot  (for POTUS) in Michigan.  So those voters who did go to the polls really weren't given a real choice anyway.  (Note that I don't count "uncommitted" as a vote for Obama or anyone else.)

      Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

      by shock on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:42:00 PM PDT

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    •  In a representative democracy. . . (1+ / 0-)

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      the citizens are responsible for the decisions their elected representatives make on their behalf. It can't work otherwise. It does suck. I'm sure not happy about being responsible for the consequences of our invasion of Iraq, when I never personally supported it. It just sucks less than a dictatorship.

      The citizens of Florida and Michigan effectively decided, through their representatives, that holding primaries before anyone else in the nation was more important that having the delegates. It wasn't obviously a bad decision; no one was expecting the delegate count to be so close, and they might have gotten more attention by going early. No one blocked them from holding a primary or a caucus that during the sanctioned period that would choose delegates that would be seated.

  •  The youth of this country are our salvation... (9+ / 0-)

    These upcoming generations are the most globally aware in history. Divisions of race, religion, sexual preference mean little or nothing to them. I say - Amen to that! As we boomers and  our parents die off we will be leaving this land to much more open-minded human beings.

    granted - they have their own faults and unpleasant traits - they are human after all! I just feel sad that these younger people will have to face the consequences of our environmental and economic irresponsibility.

  •  Voted for McGovern in '72, my first time (3+ / 0-)

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    Hey,looks like the record held for 36 years. Glad to see the youngsters getting fired up like we were in '72.

    When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

    by rmonroe on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:08:53 PM PDT

  •  Please read, recommend and donate (1+ / 0-)

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    1-20-09 The Darkness Ends "Where cruelty exists, law does not." ~ Alberto Mora

    by noweasels on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:09:40 PM PDT

  •  News from Iraq (1+ / 0-)

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    Gulfnews

    Iraqi Foreign Minister Zebari urges Iran, US to hold talks

    Baghdad: Iraqi urged Iran and the United States on Wednesday to stop trading accusations and sit down for a fourth round of talks to seek solutions to Iraq's security woes.
    snip

    The Iraqis have repeatedly said they do not want their territory to become the battleground in a proxy war between the United States and Iran, who are also at loggerheads over Tehran's nuclear ambitions.
    snip

    Washington accuses Tehran of arming, financing and training Shiite militia groups that launch attacks on US forces in Iraq. Iran denies this and says the presence of American troops is to blame for the country's violence.

    Zebari has expressed frustration at repeated delays in setting a date for a fresh round of talks.

    Do you think McCain reads the news or just listens to a neocon news digest from his consultants?

    John McCain "Beware the terrible simplifiers" Jacob Burckhardt, Historian

    by notquitedelilah on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:12:35 PM PDT

  •  Let's hear it for photo ID! (1+ / 0-)

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    Rex Manning

    Despite photo ID requirements in Indiana, more people actually showed up!

  •  Jon and the Daily Show were entertaining 2nite (2+ / 0-)

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    peraspera, Rex Manning

    McCain?

    Just looks old and befuddled and sounds like a 1960's  Poli-Grip commercial.

    There are no stupid questions, but stupid people are everywhere

    by SecondComing on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:16:08 PM PDT

    •  I'm stopping by because of your sig line ... (0+ / 0-)

      ...I learned how to drive at age 14 on a car that had suicide doors, a '35 Chevy, and never really understood the term until one day when I was making a sharp turn and the passenger door flopped open.

      I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land. -- Mark Twain

      by Meteor Blades on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:46:30 PM PDT

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  •  Hello Night Owls, (7+ / 0-)

    '72 was my first vote, and I've voted ever since. Mom helped prime me for realizing the value of it, doing it even when you're getting your ass beat.....War was an issue then too.
    Cleansing breath: A dear friend is dying. Her body has given out, she's run the Vehicle that carries her Spirit into the ditch, and it ain't comin' out. Matter of time. We brought her home, and she's rallied some..Damn, but this is a hard one.
    Hug your loved ones tight.

    Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.

    by emmasnacker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:21:01 PM PDT

  •  view from a young person (0+ / 0-)

    I'm happy to see more of my peers