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Now I KNOW I am not the only person to have read this and said "WOOOOOWWW, that's unexpected." However, yes Utah Gov. Huntsman is to be named U.S. envoy to China. Talk about Team of Rivals (sorry, I had no choice but to say it).

Now personally I think of this more substantially than I do politically. I have the sort of confidence in the President that thinks whoever the Repub nominee is is going to get Reagan 84'd. Huntsman could still very well run in 2012, this certainly doesn't rule him out of the running, but when was the last time someone IN a President's administration ran against him the following election? Politically though this just adds to the bipartisan bonafides of the President and maybe a day of "Oh he is putting another rival in the Administration how great slob drool*" and all that jazz.

Now to the substance. Huntsman is a FANTASTIC pick for Envoy to China. He speaks Mandarin from his days as a missionary and has held such positions as ambassador to Singapore under President George H.W. Bush and as a deputy U.S. trade representative and U.S. trade ambassador under President George W. Bush. Experience he is not lacking. Most importantly though is his views on the environment. Although per capita China has a smaller footprint then we do there nation has such a large population that if we do not get them aboard the train of true Enviromental initiatives we are taking one step forward for us while the world is pulling us two steps back. On this aspect he will excell. As the article notes, he is known diplomat who helps build consensus from opposing sides (sounds like a certain someone we know hmm)so in this endeavor I think he will aid the President and excell at it while doing so. 你不觉得?

Originally posted to theone718 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:24 AM PDT.

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  •  Personally, I was happy when I saw this. (3+ / 0-)
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    Rogneid, chicago minx, Mariken

    And my question is the same--since he would be one of the best pick's in 2012 to run against President Obama, did he just stage a major 2012 coup?

    Also, it's interesting to note that both New Hampshire and Iowa have recently (NH soon) legalized gay marriage. This is surely going to be a major issue for the Republicans in those two critical early states and likely will shift the party to the right.

    4 years is a long, long time though.

    "The most important environmental issue is one that is rarely mentioned, and that is the lack of a conservation ethic in our culture".-Gaylord Nelson

    by WorkingClassHero on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:29:26 AM PDT

  •  Huntsman's still thinking President (8+ / 0-)

    Just maybe 2016.

    As a Democrat.

    Which, by then, may be the only viable national party.

    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

    by Fishgrease on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:32:45 AM PDT

  •  Rush And Dick will... (5+ / 0-)

    kick him out of the GOP now!

  •  Politically, this is a stunner. I'm delighted (3+ / 0-)
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    Rogneid, Mol, Mariken

    to hear its a good policy choice as well.

    What is conservatism? Is it not the adherence to the old and tried against the new and untried? ~Abraham Lincoln

    by Chrispy67 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:40:46 AM PDT

  •  Live now on C-Span! (2+ / 0-)
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    Rogneid, Mol

    Service to country!

  •  IMHO (1+ / 0-)
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    Free Spirit

    China and America has more in common than they suspect. At least if you take into consideration such long and rich history of China with intermittent "China Century", "enhanced interragation technics" applied in dealing with insurgents, desperate attempts to turn the tide by renaming incovenient events like "man caused disasters" (recent "terror acts") or appointing generals with pompous titles like "The one who vanquishes all his foes" a-ka "tsars"to provide much sought "surge". Also Chinese were never comfortable with compromises with neighbours always regarding them as loss of face for a "son of heaven". Is it possible to negotiate treaty between Americans and her current foes Taliban without trickery on both sides? Admittedly Taliban gave refuge and some sort of support for terrorist outfit Al Qaeda with which it shares anti-Western ideology. But many countries (including US) have been giving refuge to particular non-state actors who are considered as enemies of other states worthy of elimination. Does it mean that Russia would be justified in invading UK for giving refuge to oligarchs or Chechen rebels? There should be a way forward without inflicting such colossal sufferings of civilians in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

  •  Obama is trying to rebuild GOP party. (3+ / 0-)
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    Huntsman, Crist, Schwarzenegger. Obama tried to promote Gregg of NH.  

    Obama is giving exposure, power and position to the most moderate of the GOP out there.

    •  For which he can certainly expect (0+ / 0-)

      a swift kick in the gut from that same GOP when they refuse to play the bipartisan game themselves.

      Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power - Benjamin Franklin

      by johninPortland on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:50:12 AM PDT

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      •  On the contrary... (3+ / 0-)
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        Julie Gulden, RoCali, jonwilliamsl

        He is rebuilding it with old-style Republicans who will play the old-style bipartisan game, where we all wanted the same thing and just had different ideas about how to get there.

        If the Democratic Party is to survive, the GOP must be rebuilt or something like it must emerge. Otherwise, the Democrats will have nothing to run against.

    •  schwarzeneggar's no moderate (0+ / 0-)

      he's fucking drowning our state in a goddamn bathtub.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:02:07 AM PDT

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      •  Global warming, green economy, legal pot. (0+ / 0-)

        Arnold qualifies as moderate Republican.  He is still a REPUBLICAN mind you but his big push on global warming and making CA a leader on it, breaking with GOP and GOP business interests is why he fairly is called a GOP moderate.

        CA's problem can be summed up on a few numbers 60/40, the super majority needed to pass legislation that kills democracy and effective government. DC has the same problem.

        •  all fake, bought by media/dem suckers (0+ / 0-)

          global warming was pushed by the legislature, and instead of fighting it he just defunded and weakened it but took credit for it all the same. he's done jack shit with the green economy, but has don everything in hios power to starve the university system that drives such innovation. and legal pot he has done nothing but chuckle at it occasionally, not one policy has been changed by his hand, not one =bill signed or suggested.

          he was in on the enron scam, he has time and again tried to gut the state govt, he gives lip service to both gays and choice and then repeatedly vetoes bills to legalize marriage equality and backed not once, not twice, but 3 times  initiativesa to push parental notification for abortion.

          it's just that he's good at getting the media to believe that he gives a damn, and is moderate, and dumb out of state dems pass it along because they don't know any better. the guy is worse than pete fucking wilson.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:30:23 AM PDT

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          •  Quite possibly, but... (0+ / 0-)

            all fake, bought by media/dem suckers

            Quite possibly, but that's simply saying he's in politics. I read through your comment and, with minimal revision, I can easily imagine it describing any number of Democrats.

            •  in california, dems have actually passed this (0+ / 0-)

              sort of thing, but it gets shot down. this isn't a "everyone does it, they're all the same" type thing. dems passed single payer health care, arnold shot it down. dems tried to balance the budget, arnold demanded all cuts and caved to the craqzies in the GOP. dems passed marriage equality, arnold vetoes it twice (and then claimed to be for gay rights). every wingnut initiative, be it social or economic wingnuttery, arnold backs wholeheartedly.

              just because you say you're moderate doesn't negate all the right wing votes and vetoes and defunding. guy said he was all for high speed rail, but defunded it over and over again, and used his office to keep it off ballots for 6 years before it finally went up for a vote, delaying the project.

              the guy's a scam artist, and too many dems want to believe it's true.

              surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

              by wu ming on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:52:54 AM PDT

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              •  You are focused on the issues... (0+ / 0-)

                I'm focused on the behavior. Dems vote against Dem agendas all the time while talking the talk, and the media/dem suckers buy it. Their are just as many Dems who are scam artists, and too many Dems want to believe them.

                For my money, the most glaring example of this in recent history is not Arnie, but Edwards.

                •  i am focused on the reality in CA (0+ / 0-)

                  that there are bad dems at the federal level being pains in the ass is not my concern; what i am doing here is pushing back against this line that we get in the media here in CA ad nauseum, that arnold is somehow a moderate, when in fact the fucker is jobbing the state at every opportunity. it's bad enough for the talking heads to do it, but i'll be damned if i let democrats pass the meme on unchallenged.

                  surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                  by wu ming on Sat May 16, 2009 at 09:37:08 AM PDT

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        •  oh, and it's 66-33, not even 60-40 (0+ / 0-)

          even DC doesn't let you fillibuster a budget.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:30:56 AM PDT

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          •  60/40 is the percentage. (0+ / 0-)

            And yes budgets are filibustered in DC every day using the 60/40 rules.

            And yes Arnold gets credit for pushing green economy in CA and calling out the global warming deniers in GOP (which is most of GOP right now).

            Again...don't get confused. Arnold is a REPUBLICAN but he can fairly be called a moderate Republican breaking with them on global warming, abortion, pot etc.

    •  Well then, he's doing a damn poor job of it. (0+ / 0-)

      Exposure, power, and position?

      What power does an ambassador have?  And what kind of exposure did these guys get: Leonard Woodcock, Arthur W. Hummel, Winston Lord, James Lilley, J. Stapleton Roy, Jim Sasser, Joseph Prueher, Clark T. Randt? Most Americans never heard of them.

      If anything, he is removing Huntsman from a position of power and exposure, where he is free to speak his mind, and relegating him to an obscure position.

  •  Don't Know Much About Huntsman (3+ / 0-)
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    Free Spirit, RoCali, ssldenver

    other than what I just read here, but it sounds as if he's a pretty good pick - Republican or not. Any envoy to a country as large and important as China should very well speak the language of that country and be familiar with their politics and issues.

    Kudos for a pick based on qualifications and experience rather than party loyalty, insider influence and campaign contributions.

    Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power - Benjamin Franklin

    by johninPortland on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:48:17 AM PDT

    •  More important even in China (3+ / 0-)
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      askew, econlibVA, Mol

      One could speak perfect Japanese, after studying it for twenty years, and no one in that government would imagine you really understood things all that well.  Foreigners never do, you know.

      China is different.  If you learn the language and make a great effort to grasp the rhythm of the culture the Chinese are surprisingly willing to accept that you may understand what you are looking at.  Having a longitudinal view of China is also critical, as the surface of what is happening now is just the new clothes on many of the same attitudes of the past.  Huntsman will instinctively know that, which will serve him and our country very, very well.  An old friend of mine was part of the Korean war peace talks.  He spoke of the Chinese responding to his grasp of Chinese by opening up to him in a way he thought would have been impossible otherwise.  One bit of word-play in Chinese can cut through a lot of the gulf between our peoples.  And one should understand, despite some real hostility between our governments over various issues, the Chinese people are fascinated by the US.  They don't understand our country, they don't understand some things we have done, are doing, but there is an underlying basis for cooperation on an entire host of issues that could be of mutual benefit to our two nations.

      This sounds like a smart appointment and one that shows great respect for Chinese culture.  Oh, did I say?  If one is able to speak excellent Chinese, one is pretty much considered to BE Chinese, no matter what you look like.  There are Chinese with red hair (extreme NW) but the ethnic background matters less than the linguistic chops.  

      This should be interesting...

  •  If the vid comes on youtube (0+ / 0-)

    I will be sure to update the thread soon as I can.

    Between my shoulders is a genius. Between my legs is a penis. It seems I have to get both my minds right...

    by theone718 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 06:50:17 AM PDT

  •  Funny the smart people in the GOP ARE .... (1+ / 0-)
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    leaving the sinking ship.

  •  huntsman I can agree with (0+ / 0-)

    Ignacia Moreno,


    She's a corporate thug who worked her entire life to gut the EPA. And now he puts her in charge?

    Huntsman wil be a good choice to deal with China. But Moreno? No Effing Way.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:01:13 AM PDT

  •  It's not like an ambassador does much (1+ / 0-)
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    ballerina X

    but Huntsman seems more than qualified compared to some of the ambassadors of the previous administration. He speaks the language and has a knowledge of the issue surrounding Taiwan from personal experience. Has Obama given funders and cronies ambassadorships yet?

    I expect this one will be quickly approved by the Republicans.

    •  Really? Doesn't do much? (0+ / 0-)

      The Bush Ambassador to Iraq was told by Saddam Hussein that he was thinking about invading Iraq and she did f**k all about it and did not immediately tell him "Oh NO you aren't!" and she got back to the State Department to ask for instructions.

      Can any of us add up the cost of that blunder?  

      So the next time you want to say that Ambassadors "do much" please stop and think about the many times a good Ambassador has worked wonders and stopped wars and bad Ambassadors have screwed up and cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars and...

      I'm sorry, I strongly disagree with your observation.

  •  Doing everything right so far? (2+ / 0-)
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    Coincidentally, I just talked to a politically involved contact of mine in Utah last week and asked him about Huntsman. He has known him since forever and described him as having done "everything right so far." The Republican who would be President is not looking to unseat Obama in 2012, just as Hillary did not run against GW in 2004. They will be laying out a path to 2016.

  •  我也觉得好. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I'm cool with this pick... How can you not be? (2+ / 0-)
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    Julie Gulden, ballerina X

    Don't be surprised to see Huntsman switch to Dem down the line.

    FReeptard's response: "Take Crist with you"

    Everything the Man of Steele touches turns to Kryptonite.

    by PorridgeGun on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:14:19 AM PDT

    •  We in Utah though (0+ / 0-)

      are now strung up by teabaggers. Huntsman was able to wrangle out nutty Legislature some what,now we have this guy. I'm kinda scared actually

      Secret Agent fairy Princess twirling about performing acts of graceful espionage

      by ballerina X on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:25:53 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, Herbert is a non-entity (1+ / 0-)
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        I expect many to step up to the plate for teh 2010 Special Election:

        Jim Matheson (D)

        Peter Carroon (D) Current Mayor of Salt Lake County and COUSIN OF HOWARD DEAN!!~~~~

        Rocky Anderson (D) but he's just not moderate enough for the entire state.

        We Got Game.

        •  Matheson, regretfully Doesn't have his dad's guts (1+ / 0-)
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          Rocky can't win the whole state, I'll go with Carroon,I volunteered last cycle.I'm just nervous how many days before Herbert appears on Glen Beck and gets the crazies all riled up.

          Secret Agent fairy Princess twirling about performing acts of graceful espionage

          by ballerina X on Sat May 16, 2009 at 08:12:21 AM PDT

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    •  Nah. (0+ / 0-)

      None of these guys are going to switch. They are going to Crash the Gate.

      Huntsman, Crist, Schwarzenegger, Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani...they are executives. They are not going to switch, they are going to lead. Congressmen sometimes switch, because there is something in it for them...they want to be on the winning team so they can get the choice committee assignments, and they can affect the balance of power in the House or the Senate. But there is nothing in it for these guys; they run as individuals appealing directly to the voters.

      •  He governs more like a dem. He (0+ / 0-)

        ran as a repub to win the governors seat.This is UTAH after all.

        •  Meaningless statement. (0+ / 0-)

          He governs more like a dem

          That's a meaningless statement. There is no such thing as someone who governs
          "like a Dem," because the whole concept of a Democrat (or a Republican) is largely meaningless.  Reminds me of a conversation I had with a Republican who had relocated from Utah to North Carolina: "The Democrats here? If they lived in Utah, they'd all be Republicans."

          What you mean is that he governs more like the way you want someone to govern, and you want to believe that's how "a Dem" would govern. The fact that he is a Republican means that, by definition, that he governs like a Republican. All else is mere mythology.

  •  Huntsman has an adopted daughter from China (4+ / 0-)

    "Huntsman, who had been mentioned as a potential Republican contender for the White House, has previously served as the Deputy United States Trade Representative and was the ambassador Singapore. He speaks Mandarin Chinese and he and his wife, Mary Kaye, have adopted a daughter from China."

    Everything the Man of Steele touches turns to Kryptonite.

    by PorridgeGun on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:16:52 AM PDT

  •  WOW (0+ / 0-)

    With a story like that, if he runs in 2016. HE WILL BE A PROBLEM.

    Between my shoulders is a genius. Between my legs is a penis. It seems I have to get both my minds right...

    by theone718 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:26:44 AM PDT

  •  A Win-Win for both Obama and Huntsman (3+ / 0-)

    I´m eating and eating all day long now, and hopefully soon I´ll be too big to fail.

    by Mariken on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:28:14 AM PDT

  •  You ask.. (0+ / 0-)

    When was the last time someone IN a President's administration ran against him the following election?

    Would the judges accept George McClellan in 1864?

    (Domestic politics aside, this seems a great choice, especially given that China is one of our biggest debtholders.)

    I hear what Rush Limbaugh and Boehner and Sarah Palin and Steele and McConnell and Joe the Plumber and Michele Bachmann are saying: Abraham Lincoln was a RINO.

    by Bull Schmitt on Sat May 16, 2009 at 12:43:09 PM PDT

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