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In Which It Seems That Even When You Write "SATIRE" In Big Letters Some People Won't Get It

Oy.

I posted the Scott Brown editorial diary making sure to tag it as satire because...well...it is. "Satire", while not necessarily meaning "funny" implies the presence of something called "jokes". "Jokes" are meant to produce "laughter" or "amusement".

I've had other run-ins with my fellow liberals along these lines. I posted a video of Billy Bob singing "Killin' Every Arab I See" with the chorus of

Killin' every Arab I can see, see, see
Only way to set the country, free, free, free
To bring 'em peace and give 'em a democracy
Killin' every Arab I can see, see, see

to the Huffington Post Viral Video contest a while back. I stood on a stage, in The Comedy Studio with the logo "The Comedy Studio" in back of me. During the set, people howled with laughter. At the end of the set, I got a huge round of applause. To the objective eye, it was a video of a guy doing stand up comedy, pretending to be a redneck. But not all eyes are objective and so I received the following email which still holds the rank of best...email...ever.

I hope you know they were laughing AT you and not WITH you!!!

Um. No. They were laughing with me. I was laughing at this guy and his inability to detach himself from his obsessions long enough to see that I was on his side.

As a liberal comic, it pains me to see liberals play into the stereotype of having no sense of humor at all. And, no, I don't mean that all liberals walk around dissecting jokes until they lay limp and lifeless on the linoleum but, sweet fucking jesus, folks - lighten up!

In response to wondering if Brown might be Cuban, some charming person wrote

What makes you think you have to be born here to learn "proper" english?  Isn't Palin and others like her proof one can master English from birth better than those who are born and raised here?

What makes you think cosmetic surgery is a must?  Is there A Cuban LOOK that is unique to Cuba and not like the USA where everyone or their ancestors come from somewhere else?  Brown is not your average looking Norwegian (obviously not USA).  What does an USA national look like?  He's not blonde or so-called white.  The man is olive tone as is millions of people across the world and in Latin America.

People must stop thinking language, especially if it's Spanish means you can't have euro heritage.

/facepalms

But it doesn't end there, of course. Although it's not in the editorial, I do bring up the facts that looks can deceive, giving as proof Michael Jackson and Christine Jorgenson, the first successful male to female gender reassignment. It's a good joke, I thought. Fairly obscure and smart. Even though I didn't include it, some smart kossack brought the point up. Which, of course, caused problem

   * Grumpy Kossack 1: I don't find this line of joking funny. So what if he was transgendered? There's nothing wrong with that.
   * Me: You're right there's nothing wrong with it. So why would he hide it?
   * Grumpy Kossack 2: He would not be hiding anything if He declined to share his medical history. He would be protecting his own privacy, and he would be protecting himself from discrimination and violence. Transphobia is absolutely everywhere in American society, and it kills.
     Remember Duanna Johnson. Tortured by the Memphis PD for being black and trans. Killed by the Memphis PD for speaking up.

Yes, it's true, of course. But that's not the point. Nor was there any attempt to ridicule transgendereds. But let's not let that get in the way of obscuring the point - the hypocrisy of wingnuts and the lunatic fringe. Because, when you get down to it, even knock, knock jokes can be hurtful.

Knock Knock
Who's there
Boo
Boo who
Don't cry, it's only a knock knock joke!

This hateful and discriminatory knock knock joke might push a manic-depressive to kill themselves by ridiculing the pain of those who suffer from mental illness*. Shame on me for propagating it.

Since no one defended Canadians, though, I can make as many Canada jokes as I want to.

Go figuh.

*Note: Before you flame me for this, yes, I cope with depression, so I'm allowed to make jokes about myself.  Right?

Originally posted to hbee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:02 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)

    There are two types of people in this word - those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't.

    by hbee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:03:01 AM PST

  •  ding! (5+ / 0-)
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    LuLu, Hedwig, BoiseBlue, sethyeah, graycat13

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    what goes around comes around, buckwheat. -- AndyS in Colorado

    by bubbanomics on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:05:28 AM PST

  •  Okay, so you posted a diary (5+ / 0-)

    That didn't generate a lot of comments, and a few of them gave you a tsk-tsk for some things they found distasteful...

    And now all liberals are humorless.

    There were as many comments joining in on the "joke" (which really wasn't that funny- the same type of satire diary has been posted here more times than I can count) as there were comments that found ONE of your comments distasteful.

    Stop the freaking press!

    I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

    by BoiseBlue on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:12:24 AM PST

  •  Now this is humor.... (5+ / 0-)

    everything_good_in_life_lies_out_of_your_reach_trollcat
    .
    .
    You don't think so? So then I should conclude that all actor, comic, writer and satirist living in Watertown, Ma. have no humor?

    No..it is just that humor, like most things, is subjective.

    In closing...

    Wuts in naym? Dat which we call rose
    By any othr naym wud smell as sweet

  •  Not everybody is gonna find your humor (4+ / 0-)

    funny. I personally detest that type of stuff (the hippie in me freaked right the fuck out at There's Something About Mary), but that's me.

    Posting a diary like this isn't going to help you, although you might've felt better after you wrote it.

    If I push (Obama) to the left, it's not because I'm mean, it's because I like him and I want him to do well. - metal prophet

    by Colorado is the Shiznit on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:24:18 AM PST

    •  You Miss The Point... (1+ / 0-)
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      It's one thing to say "that's not funny". It's quite another thing to completely misconstrue the intent behind the joke.

      I'm not looking for "help". I'm voicing my opinion and view.

      There are two types of people in this word - those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't.

      by hbee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:34:18 AM PST

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      •  OK, but so were they. (0+ / 0-)

        Just sayin'.

        And I do know how mean people can be on this blog, so if that happened, that sucks.

        If I push (Obama) to the left, it's not because I'm mean, it's because I like him and I want him to do well. - metal prophet

        by Colorado is the Shiznit on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:53:31 AM PST

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      •  People misconstrue intent all the time, (0+ / 0-)

        especially on the net where you can't notice body language, intonation etc.

        As to killing an arab, did you not know that the band the cure got sued over that song and had to stop pressing copies of it for a long time. Their song was also a condemnation of that mentality but some people who are vulnerable to attacks due to prejudice don't take kindly to that as they know there are dense people out there who'll take it seriously.

        You don't seem very realistic about the impact of your work. My suggestion is you develop more sensitivity to other's feelings and then maybe you won't take it as hard that some are offended. Instead you want to tell people to shove off for being offended. It's more mature to try to understand where people are coming from, then you can decide to continue to offend anyway for the sake of comedy or modify your act.

        Whatever dude.

        The Great Recession is a happy happy joy joy time to drop your obsolete skills and train for new ones.

        by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 01:18:59 PM PST

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        •  Soooo.... (0+ / 0-)

          just be really stupid so people don't get offended and have to think about what they read and hear.  That's what your advice is.

          Their song was also a condemnation of that mentality but some people who are vulnerable to attacks due to prejudice don't take kindly to that as they know there are dense people out there who'll take it seriously.

          That's a hilarious example to use. I hope you gave them the same advice.

          I'm going to go read The Giver now.

          Thanks for the help.

          There are two types of people in this word - those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't.

          by hbee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 01:41:08 PM PST

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          •  No, you don't get it at all. (0+ / 0-)

            Re-read what I said and drop the attitude.

            I SAID, look at the lawsuit the cure had. Why do you think that happened? Because real arab citizens were upset.

            You don't care. Fine.

            Your problem with the reception here isn't our easy to offend p.c. attitude you think we have, but your arrogant attitude. You have a preconcieved narrative already in place for whatever feedback you get. That makes dialog with you uninteresting.

            As to you modifying your work so it's 'stupid' instead of 'offensive' that just shows how shallow your thinking is. Great comedians like Dave Chapelle, Richard Pryor, George Carlin, and Lenny Bruce don't use offending as a crutch for comedy, rather they challenge people's conventions and point out the funny absurdities and that is what offends. You just get off on provoking people and don't want to take responsibility for the reaction. That's juvenile.

            Once again, you can decide that people taking offense are wrong minded and so your material doesn't need modifying, that's fine. But if you try to understand why people really react in offense and actually listen, you might learn something regardless of what you do with your material, instead of just reacting out of your own preconcieved prejudices.

            I don't expect you to understand that concept.

            The Great Recession is a happy happy joy joy time to drop your obsolete skills and train for new ones.

            by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 01:51:22 PM PST

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            •  "Drop the attitude" (0+ / 0-)

              See, what I take from your Cure anecdote is that people SHOULDN'T be forced to examine their attitudes. That the moment someone is offended, all they need to do is scream loudly enough and the offender should cave in.

              You're making your own judgment call in pronouncing me arrogant. Which, yes, is hilarious. To wit:

              "I don't expect you to understand that concept." "That makes dialog with you uninteresting." "That's juvenile."

              I'm really not trying to troll here. I find it fascinating that I'm getting all this free advice and wise lectures on how to behave.

              Sorry if I crossed some code of conduct.

              jfc

              There are two types of people in this word - those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't.

              by hbee on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 02:46:13 PM PST

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              •  no, you can't read or comprehend properly (0+ / 0-)

                anything I've said nor anyone here. I asked you to examine your attitude about the killing an arab thing of yours and try to comprehend right or wrong why it offended some people which you can't grasp at all, and you turn it around to say that I think people "SHOULDN'T be forced to examine their attitudes."

                Sorry I don't have the patience to try to discuss things with you, especially since a) you misread everything I've written you and don't comprehend at all what I am saying and turn it around to something entirely different and b) engage in insults and act like you're superior because your entitled sense of free speech makes you entitled to applause for whatever crap you spew. Not gonna play, over and out, bye bye, good luck to you.

                And yeah, it's just a hop from that attitude towards trolling and yes, you have crossed codes of conduct, namely basic communication skills we value around here.

                The Great Recession is a happy happy joy joy time to drop your obsolete skills and train for new ones.

                by doinaheckuvanutjob on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 11:45:44 PM PST

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                •  Gosh... (0+ / 0-)

                  Sorry I looked at your Cure example from a different angle than the one I was supposed to. After all, there is only one way to view things. You've been very patient with me showing me the error of my thinking in a very calm and non-judgmental way. I'm sorry I'm too thick, dense, stupid and arrogant to comprehend how kind and loving everyone is here.

                  Daily Kos truly is a safe harbor for people to discuss the complexity of issues. If I stay, I'll try to fit in better.

                  I promise.

                  There are two types of people in this word - those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't.

                  by hbee on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 06:22:31 AM PST

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                  •  nice sarcasm (0+ / 0-)

                    It's why no one wants to engage in discussion with you here. You're not supposed to look at it from my view but if you made a tiny attempt to have a respectful conversation you'd get somewhere but you're not interested in that. You're only interested in proving your superiority, boring. When you twist what other people say and then claim they're trying to make you think their way, there will never be a discussion.

                    Actually that kind of miscommunication is good material for a real skilled comedian. It's the foundation of "Who's on First?" by Abbot and Costello. At least in their case it was understandable why the two misinterpreted the words.

                    The Great Recession is a happy happy joy joy time to drop your obsolete skills and train for new ones.

                    by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:05:49 PM PST

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                    •  Slight Flaw... (1+ / 0-)
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                      I'm really curious as to why you'd waste some much time on me reiterating the same thing you said the last time. To paraphrase - I'm whiny, immature, dense and unfunny and I'm going to keep tell you that until you understand it.

                      Want some "mis-communication" comedy? Re-read your opening sentence again.

                      "It's why no one wants to engage in discussion with you here."

                      And yet...you keep talking!  BOOM! PUNCHLINE!

                      I look forward to your expected response with baited breath.

                      There are two types of people in this word - those who divide the world into two types of people and those who don't.

                      by hbee on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 06:25:11 PM PST

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  •  I Have a Sense of Humor (2+ / 0-)
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    Honest!

  •  "Lighten Up" (3+ / 0-)

    Is a phrase often used in connection with a racist, sexist, homophobic or ageist attempt at humor.  And it is no doubt a person of color, a woman, a gay or lesbian or an elderly or disabled person who is the butt of the joke.

    Those invoking the phrase are most often white and privileged.

    No.  I won't "lighten up."

    My dogs think triciawyse is smart and pretty. They think I'm a strange, frumpy woman wth limitless snacks.

    by martydd on Mon Feb 01, 2010 at 12:32:52 PM PST

  •  No need to panic (0+ / 0-)

    I've called the WHAAmbulance.

  •  My heart goes out to you.... (0+ / 0-)

    But as a liberal sometime comic in Texas (but not the part that's Austin) don't look for much more sympathy than that.  Years ago I worked in the Dukakis administration up there with you in MA.  Came to Texas during the '88 election, and was introduced by Sen. Hutchison to speak at a Dallas Chamber of Commerce Dinner.  Opening lines: "My name is Roger.  I'm from Massachusetts.  I'm here to turn myself in."  Fortunately we've progressed a little since those days.

    I think one of the main reasons for hard feelings and flaming on the Internet is the context (and delivery) are always left up to the reader, with nuance out the window and the writer not being able to say in advance, "Hey, it's a joke! OK?"  Because by the time you invest something like that it's not even a joke anymore.  Also, as you know a slight difference when people actually go to see YOU, and when you just happen to drop in on somebody else's party.
    Don't give up.  Keep filing.

    "Have I shocked you by the dirty things I wrote to you?" --James Joyce,To Nora, Dublin 6, December 1909 Oops. Wrong inspirational quote!

    by Roger Burke on Thu Feb 04, 2010 at 06:56:40 PM PST

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