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This will be short.  I do not consider it sweet.

In Virginia, the Governor can propose amendments to legislation as part of his vetoing or approving a bill and returning it to the veto session of the General Assembly.  Gov. McDonnell has proposed requiring that the gun safety instruction in the elementary schools be required to use the curriculum of the National Rifle Association.

In Washington, Republican Senators have introduced legislation to block the White House from requiring federal agencies to consider climate change data in environmental impact statements.

I will provide more information below the fold.

PLEASE SEE UPDATE AT END, THANKS!

Let me start with McDonnell.  The League of Women Voters of Virginia has sent around an email explaining what he is doing, from which I will quote the following, since it is an action item.    The legislation as passed by the General Assembly includes this language:  

The curriculum guidelines shall incorporate, among other principles of firearm safety, accident prevention and the rules upon which the Eddie Eagle Gunsafe Program offered by the National Rifle Association or the program of the National Crime Prevention Center is based.

  McDonnell's proposed Amendment read simply

Strike or the program of the National Crime Prevention Center

thereby requiring the use of the NRA'S Eddie Eagle program.

The commentary by LWV-VA, which asks recipients of the email to contact their local legislators, includes the following:

Don't force Virginia public schools to present the National Rifle Association curriculum.  Local school boards should have another option.  The Mc Gruff  "Take a Bite out of Crime" curriculum was included in the original bill.  The Governor removed that option.  At Wednesday's Veto Session, please vote against the Governor's amendment to House Bill 1217.

On to Senate Republicans.   The source for this is the NY Times, Greenwire, a piece titled Senate Republicans Move to Bar NEPA Analysis of Climate Change Impacts.  As you can imagine even from the little I have already described, the prime mover behind this is our old fave James Inhofe, this time with co-authors Dr. (!!!) John Barasso of WY and David (diapers) Vitter of LA, along with co-sponsors Mike Enzi (WY), James Risch (ID), Bob Bennett (UT), and Pat Roberts (KS).  Allow me to offer just a few snips.

The Republican proposal says

the National Environmental Policy Act should not be used to document, predict or mitigate the climate effects of specific federal actions. Under the measure, NEPA reviews could not consider the greenhouse gas emissions of a proposed federal project nor climate change effects as related to the proposal's design, environmental impacts, or mitigation or adaptation measures.

"Requiring federal agencies to assess the global climate change impacts from building a road will only block construction of the road and the jobs and economic activity that go with it, with no discernible impact on global climate," Inhofe said in a statement. "The NEPA Certainty Act will put a stop to this and give employers, including small businesses, greater certainty in their hiring and economic planning."

Some very quick commentary on both items.

Republicans control the House of Delegates in Virginia.  McDonnell's proposal will pass there.  While Democrats have a narrow margin in the Senate, there are a number of pro-gun Democrats who, especially after last year's big Republican win, may well support the Governor.  In other words, I expect this to become law.  This is but a small taste of what Americans could be in for if we let Republicans regain controls of governmental levers.

I sincerely doubt the Inhofe et al proposal has much chance of passing.  I suspect that Bennett is going along because of the very competitive primary (which he may well lose) in which he is currently engaged.  It is not surprising to find Inhofe attempting this.  I am not sure how this best plays politically, but at a time when the science is overwhelming about the impact of global warming, perhaps this is an issue that can be used to appeal to at least some independents.

I thought both items were worthy of being brought to people's attention, hence this diary.

peace.

UPDATE -  look, I see something in common between these two actions.  It is that Republicans are willing to try to IMPOSE their viewpoint on others.  For me the issue is not having the Eddie Eagle program as one option if you are going to have mandatory gun safety instruction.  It is the Governor moving unilaterally to impose that as the only choice, denying localities of a different persuasion the ability to choose an alternative.  Inhofe does not believe in climate change, and thus wants to bar the government from considering it wherever possible, regardless of the scientific evidence, or the impact upon the nation.

I know that people feel strongly about guns.  I do hope they will consider the environmental issue in the Senate as well.  I also hope that people will see the danger of the kind of change, being made the way he is trying it, by McDonnell.

Originally posted to teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 02:57 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (25+ / 0-)

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 02:57:33 AM PDT

  •  Disturbing (7+ / 0-)

    to say the least. McDonnell was a known radical conservative that somehow managed to pass himself as a moderate during the election. Once in power, he has reverted to his radical roots that no one should be surprised about in Virginia had they merely bothered to read his Regent University thesis. And Virginia has submitted its own petition to challenge the EPA regulation of greenhouse gases. Virginia is very much the canary in the coal mine for what the Republicans can and will do if they regain power.

    Please help the people of Haiti

    by DWG on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:08:07 AM PDT

    •  the proposal as passed was balanced (4+ / 0-)
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      ALLOWING local schools to choose between two different approaches.  If a rural area wanted to choose Eddie Eagle they could.  McDonnell now wants to impost upon Fairfax and Arlington only the NRA view.  I can assure you that as a NoVa resident (Arlington) that will not go over well up here, at least not in Arlington, Alexandria, Fairfax and Falls Church.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:34:29 AM PDT

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    •  Disturbing in an understatement.... (6+ / 0-)

      I find this outrageous and chilling.

      The National Environmental Policy Act should not be used to document, predict or mitigate the climate effects of specific federal actions.

      "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

      by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:44:08 AM PDT

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      •  thanks for noting this n/t (4+ / 0-)
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        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:44:37 AM PDT

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        •  It was the most important part of the diary... (2+ / 0-)
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          IMHO. I'm glad to know that Inhofe's proposal won't pass, but It's still incredibly troubling. It is a reminder of why we keep fighting to prevent the Republicans from regaining control of Congress.

          I apologize for veering off topic down thread about guns. I honestly wish I hadn't commented on that issue. I should know better by now. Guns in this nation are done deal. Especially in states like Virginia. I generally try to avoid discussions about guns, I don't why I made an exception this evening. The climate is, of course, a more pressing issue.

          "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

          by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:57:39 AM PDT

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      •  This is aggressive climate change denial (4+ / 0-)
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        but really it is aggressive support to preserve fossil fuels as the dominant energy sources.

        Please help the people of Haiti

        by DWG on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:50:48 AM PDT

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        •  Inhofe more or less admitted as much... (2+ / 0-)
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          Hoosier AG

          Inhofe says - the energy reform effort will stumble because of the nation’s heavy reliance on fossil fuels...

          Inhofe believes - there’s been a wake-up call in America, and people realize that we have to continue to generate electricity.

          This is ultimately about money for the Republican politicians. Some of them may be genuinely in denial over climate change, but most aren't as ignorant as their supporters, they're just greedy. That they are willing to sell out (or kill off) future generations simply for their own short term gain is inexcusable.

          "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

          by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:20:07 AM PDT

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          •  Yes, they are tools (2+ / 0-)
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            They are tools of dirty energy companies that want to delay transition to clean energy as long as possible to derive maximum profits. Anyone with a half a brain knows we are past peak supply, especially for oil. Growing demand from Asia with dwindling supply means big prices and big profits. For the sake of economic and environmental protection, the only viable path is clean energy, but these politicians will gladly sacrifice our future for a few hundred thousand in campaign contributions so oil, gas, and coal companies can make trillions over the next few decades.

            Please help the people of Haiti

            by DWG on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:30:56 AM PDT

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            •  Carter was warning us about peak oil... (2+ / 0-)
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              before I was born. We had decades to plan. They've been sacrificing our future for more than 30 years.

              From a speech given by Pres. Jimmy Carter on April 18, 1977. Almost thirty-three years to the day.

              Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

              It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.

              We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

              We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us...

              The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation.

              Our decision about energy will test the character of the American people and the ability of the President and the Congress to govern. This difficult effort will be the "moral equivalent of war" -- except that we will be uniting our efforts to build and not destroy...

              We do have a choice about how we will spend the next few years. Each American uses the energy equivalent of 60 barrels of oil per person each year. Ours is the most wasteful nation on earth. We waste more energy than we import. With about the same standard of living, we use twice as much energy per person as do other countries like Germany, Japan and Sweden.

              One choice is to continue doing what we have been doing before. We can drift along for a few more years.

              Our consumption of oil would keep going up every year. Our cars would continue to be too large and inefficient. Three-quarters of them would continue to carry only one person -- the driver -- while our public transportation system continues to decline.

              "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

              by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:42:29 AM PDT

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              •  Video of another speech he gave on energy... (1+ / 0-)
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                Can you believe he dared to mention sacrifices? He begins talking about energy at around 1:40.

                "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

                by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:46:07 AM PDT

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                •  And along came Reagan (1+ / 0-)
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                  promising prosperity without sacrifice and responsibility. People ate it up. We are paying the price for it now.

                  Please help the people of Haiti

                  by DWG on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 06:42:49 AM PDT

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                  •  Yes, they mocked Carter for... (2+ / 0-)
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                    driving a compact car and installing solar panels. We were going to buy our way out of debt, buy a big car like Reagan, fork out $10,000 for china like Nancy, and live the good life, damn it! We could all live like characters on Dynasty or Dallas if we just tried a bit harder.

                    I wonder how long we have to keep making the same stupid mistakes. Only a fool believes they can get something for nothing.

                    "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

                    by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 06:56:06 AM PDT

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      •  I love that Inhofe if claiming... (2+ / 0-)
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        that he was once a believer in climate change, but he apparently had a Eureka moment, and discovered it would cost a whole bunch.

        Courtesy of the Hoosier AG

        Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe believes climate change legislation will fail again...

        Inhofe said he started off as a believer until realizing what it was going to cost. Inhofe asks if the science behind climate change isn’t definitive, how can Congress impose reforms that could wind up being passed on to consumers by way of higher utility bills?

        But he is kind enough to concede that renewables should be considered.

        The Senator predicts - there may be a day when it can be done all with renewables. Inhofe says - I’m for renewables. I’m for geothermal. I’m for everything out there.

        Yep, he's all for 'em - just so long as the government doesn't have to provide funding, and avoids placing any restrictions on his corporate donors. Just shameless.

        "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

        by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:15:33 AM PDT

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        •  I love how he says (2+ / 0-)
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          that he was a believer until he found out how expensive it's going to be.

          I mean, if you give me enough money, I'll believe in anything you want, right?

          Or if it costs enough money, the science is obviously wrong...

          We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

          by KVoimakas on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:16:58 AM PDT

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          •  Bingo! He believes in whatever his... (1+ / 0-)
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            corporate donors tell him to believe. Reminds me of a verse from an old Don Henley song.

            I'm an expert witness, because I say I am
            And I said, 'Gentlemen...and I use that word loosely
            I will testify for you...
            Because there are no facts, there is no truth
            Just data to be manipulated
            I can get you any results you like
            What's it worth to ya?

            They can hire any bozo they like to serve as an expert witness to anything. They know that their supporters are only interested in hearing their personal POV parroted back at them. The average Republican now views science as opinion-based, rather than factual. It's scary.

            "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

            by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:25:32 AM PDT

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          •  PS: Here's an interesting article from... (2+ / 0-)
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            the UK Guardian about Inhofe's position on climate change. Bless the Brits! They have more nerve than we do. They also have a genuine media.

            The US Congress's most ardent global warming sceptic is being accused of turning the row over climate science into a McCarthyite witch-hunt by calling for a criminal investigation of scientists.

            With all the news being discussed lately, I had forgotten this little tidbit.

            Senator James Inhofe's call for a criminal investigation into American as well as British scientists who worked on the UN climate body's report or had communications with East Anglia's climate research unit...

            That's right, he wants scientists to be investigated as possible criminals. Senator Columbo was kind enough to send the authorities a list of "17 key players". Among those he wants investigated are British climatologists Phil Jones and Keith Briffa. If they ever are prosecuted (in an alternate universe) I will be the first to sign up to help with a defense fund.

            I have always believed this man was both dishonest and nuts. This information confirms that belief.

            "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

            by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:36:35 AM PDT

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  •  The NRA sucks for multiple reasons (5+ / 0-)

    but one of the things they do well is firearm safety instruction.

    Teaching kids firearms are bad, so don't ever touch them is one thing (NCPC.)

    Teaching kids firearms are dangerous, so don't ever touch them (until you're older) is another (Eddie Eagle.)

    The fact the NCPC talks about gun violence is ridiculous as well. It's people violence.

    Assign students to groups of four or five, and have them select a historical figure who was killed by gun violence. Possiblilities include Martin Luther King, Jr.; John F. Kennedy; Abraham Lincoln; and Mahatma Gandhi.

    We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

    by KVoimakas on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:33:29 AM PDT

    •  original legislation gives localities a choice (5+ / 0-)
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      that you might not agree with their approach is not the point - Virginia residents can persuade the local authorities to the program they prefer.

      This is no more acceptable than having the NCPC approach mandated.  I know you -  and kestrel9000 and others - would scream bloody murder at that.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:36:43 AM PDT

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    •  My parents would have been royally pissed... (0+ / 0-)

      if my school had dared to invite the NRA to lecture me about guns. The idea of force-feeding the kids NRA propaganda would have incensed them. And who's to say that gun safety is all Eddie Eagle (what a cutsie name!) will be lecturing them about? Sorry, but I don't trust the NRA any further than I could throw Wayne LaPierre. The fact that McDonnell was trying to hide the NRA's involvement is certainly interesting.

      "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

      by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:38:36 AM PDT

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      •  Well, let me think. (2+ / 0-)
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        It could've changed, but the Eddie Eagle program is not propaganda filled since the last time I saw it.

        Like I mentioned before, the NRA sucks on many levels. Firearm training isn't one of them. Also, the Eddie Eagle program is normally put on my a local LEO while the NRA just provides the materials.

        We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

        by KVoimakas on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:40:27 AM PDT

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        •  there is another issue you are ignoring (3+ / 0-)
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          which is the liberty of local districts to choose a program that they believe fits the needs of their community.

          Perhaps there should be more than 2 choices, but there should be an option for those who do not wish involvement with an organization they view as hostile to their interests, as for better or worse, large numbers of people do with the NRA.

          here's the odd thing.  Until a few decades ago this might not have been an issue, because the NRA had not yet been taken over by people whose politics were somewhat extreme.  If I looked at the NRA as it was in the 1950s and 1960s, it might not be such a problems.

          do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

          by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:43:22 AM PDT

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        •  I'm sorry, but I suppose I've... (2+ / 0-)
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          developed a knee-jerk reaction to the NRA. I don't tend to assume the best when I learn that they are involved in anything, and that may well be a mistake on my part. Eddie Eagle may be fantastic, but I still don't see how they can refuse to allow local school districts to choose a different gun safety program.

          The NRA was once a rational organization. My grandfather used to be a member. He stopped being one the day old Charlton gave his "cold dead hands" speech. It is now a very partisan organization, and I can't believe that every parent would be comfortable with their involvement. It is my fault for getting worked up, and if I had paused for a moment before responding (which I should have), this would have been my original comment.

          "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

          by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:50:41 AM PDT

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          •  I also have developed a reaction. (1+ / 0-)
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            Normally, it's in response to being called an NRA shill though.

            I am curious though. How does it work in Virginia? Does the state give different options for all the different programs they require?

            We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

            by KVoimakas on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:53:17 AM PDT

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            •  not like Texas (4+ / 0-)
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              there is no centralized buying of textbooks.

              We have a tradition of local control, against which we have perhaps the nation's strongest implementation of the Dillon Rule, which gives the state legislature enormous power over local government.

              I don't know the entire educational code.  I do note that it is rare for the state to mandate something in particular, such as a particular curriculum provider, which is in effect what McDonnell is trying to do.

              do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

              by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:57:10 AM PDT

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            •  Don't worry, I won't call you that... (4+ / 0-)
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              and apologize for being strident. Not all gun owners are NRA shills. No one reasonable will claim that. Not all NRA members are shills, for that matter, either.

              "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

              by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:59:52 AM PDT

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          •  Just an FYI: (2+ / 0-)
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            Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention -- ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA.

            We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

            by KVoimakas on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:59:51 AM PDT

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          •  I agree there should be a choice. (1+ / 0-)
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            I will say, in the NRA's defense, that while their politics are some of the suckiest in the nation, their safety program - for adults, at any rate - are very, very good and they drill into you the 3 safety rules. In both cases where I took a safety course that used or was largely based on the NRA materials - one taught both full days of a weekend, the other taught over the course of a couple of months in the evening - the instructors have added a fourth rule which they always say comes before any of the other three: the gun is always loaded. This does not mean that you keep it loaded. No way. What it means, as they explain in detail, is that every gun is always to be treated as if it were loaded until you have verified for yourself that it is fully and completely unloaded, and they show you how to do that safely with others around you and make everybody practice being safe. First it's done with full-sized blue or orange plastic replicas. Then the instructor will verify that a real firearm is unloaded and make everybody demonstrate that they can be very safe with it when checking to make sure themselves that it is unloaded, and that the students treat all guns as if they are loaded 100% of the time unless they are literally in pieces (broken down to unfireable component parts for cleaning) on the table. And once the gun is put back together again, even partially, it is treated once more as if it were loaded. And nobody is allowed to engage in any range time before they are letter-perfect on all the safety rules taught, in any order in which they are requested so that it's not just memorizing them in a particular order. The students have to actually think about what the rules are, so if Jane is asked for Rule #4 (NRA rule #3) and Sam is asked for Rule #1, each must demonstrate that they know the rule as taught in the exact words that were taught and then demonstrate further that they can explain the rule in their own words, why it is important, and how to comply with it. Only then are they allowed to touch the firearms the instructor has checked out for the class's use and practice. Then it's back to the classroom for yet more practice on being safe, including proper disassembly and cleaning techniques and what not to do, too.

            I was out of school before Eddie Eagle was developed and so were my siblings, and it wouldn't have been taught in Berkeley, anyway. Teaching kids to stop where they are if they see a gun, leave the area, and go tell an adult immediately seems like a pretty harmless (in fact, harm-preventing) lesson. But if this program is as good for teaching kids what they need to know (leave the gun alone, leave the area, tell someone NOW) rather than indoctrinating them, I don't see having it included as a choice is something bad. Heck, even the adult course doesn't include any indoctrination about why one should support the NRA (which I certainly don't).

            So while I agree with teacherken that removing the choice of which program to teach is terrible, I have to say that despite the NRA's truly horrible politics, they do a good job teaching gun safety. In fact, I won't take Charles to a range to learn to shoot; he's going to have to take a safety class and get his first experiences with firearms in a safe setting with an experienced, highly-rated instructor. What's more, I'll take it with him even though I've already taken one twice. I do not think there can be too much emphasis placed on safety.

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            by Kitsap River on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:02:07 PM PDT

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      •  I should add that I recognize in VA... (2+ / 0-)
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        the idea of gun safety lessons is a given, but I find it unbelievable that they can mandate that those lessons be provided by the NRA. They should be allowed to choose which program they prefer.

        "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." ~ British Prime Minister Wm. Gladstone

        by AuroraDawn on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:42:07 AM PDT

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    •  That (3+ / 0-)
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      is in the NCPC curriculum?

      Please tell me you're kidding....

      "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

      by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:41:59 AM PDT

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  •  Mandatory Gun classes in primary schools? (4+ / 0-)
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    Police empowered to stop people on the streets and check their right to be on the street and put them in jail if the papers don't check out or they don't have them.

    Ignoring all the calls of scientists and national scientific academies on a matter they have declared a clear and present danger because it might interfere with building a road. ie. ignore and marginalize the educated elite.

    I watched Bill O'Reilly tonight, which I do from time to time - we are back to why did the missile defence get shut down when Iran will have intercontinental missiles by 2015. ie Let's go get 'em. Good for Fox News ratings I guess.

    What decade are we in again?

    Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

    by Unenergy on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:35:10 AM PDT

    •  Education would help cut back on (3+ / 0-)
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      firearm 'accidents' in the US. I'm glad to see firearm education in school.

      We need another Huey P. Long and federal funding for abortion. -9.00, -4.05

      by KVoimakas on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:37:26 AM PDT

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      •  I agree wholeheartedly (4+ / 0-)
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        but I do have a problem with a Republican government mandating curricula that is the product of the National Rifle association, an organoization dedicated to electing Republicans as mch as it is dedicated to anything else.

        "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

        by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:39:41 AM PDT

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      •  on this we are in full agreement (3+ / 0-)
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        my argument here is the mandating of the NRA approach, rather than allowing any alternatives.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:39:47 AM PDT

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        •  But a "guns are evil and killed great men" (3+ / 0-)
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          approach is not acceptable to me.
          DEo we teach that Martin Luther King was killed by a rifle or by James Earl Ray? Which is more to the point?

          "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

          by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:44:11 AM PDT

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          •  and some people want NO gun instruction (2+ / 0-)
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            the general assembly in its wisdom decided some gun safety instruction was warranted.  They also decided that there should be some choice.  That is up local authorities.

            Look, the Iraq war was not acceptable to me, but a majority of the US Congress voted for AUMF, then never reined in Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and company.

            For many of us NCLB was not acceptable, but a strong majority of the House and Senate, BOTH PARTIES, voted for it.

            Sometimes there are things enacted into law with which we have strong disagreement.  So long as there is choice, your point of view has not been disenfranchised, and you can persuade local authorities to go with Eddie Eagle instead of NCPC.

            do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

            by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:48:41 AM PDT

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            •  Is the (3+ / 0-)
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              "one or the other" a true choice?
              What about an option to develop independent curricula at the state level?

              "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

              by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:49:55 AM PDT

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              •  Well ... (1+ / 0-)
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                while that's a fine idea maybe - the governor's action mandating the Eddie Eagle program as the only choice moves further away from that approach.

                He took a duck in the face at two hundred and fifty knots.

                by jrooth on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 05:33:35 AM PDT

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                •  Never said (1+ / 0-)
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                  I agreed with his decision, however, you might find the eddie eagle stuff isn't what you think it is if you look at it.

                  Eddie Eagle is never shown touching a firearm, and he does not promote firearm ownership or use. The program prohibits the use of Eddie Eagle mascots anywhere that guns are present. The Eddie Eagle Program has no agenda other than accident prevention -- ensuring that children stay safe should they encounter a gun. The program never mentions the NRA. Nor does it encourage children to buy guns or to become NRA members

                  That's what's there. What's more biased, that, or this:

                     * Ask students to predict how these individuals might have continued their work if they hadn't been killed by gun violence.

                     * Have each group present a biography of the individual they researched and their ideas of what the individual could have done if he or she had not died from gun violence.

                  One is advocacy of a position on the issue, the other is not.

                  It is what it is.

                  "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

                  by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 05:54:24 AM PDT

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                  •  I have no idea how you divine (2+ / 0-)
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                    what I think of the Eddie Eagle program, since I have said nothing either for or against it, nor does anything I said depend on the qualities, good or bad, of that program.

                    As for the bias and "advocacy position" you perceive in the other program, that would be a fine argument to make to the school board contemplating which program to use.  And potentially, someone might offer counter-arguments that there is worth in having kids think more deeply about the consequences of violence than simply "STOP!  Don't Touch.  Leave the Area.  Tell an Adult."

                    But that's neither here nor there when it comes to the argument the diarist makes and with which I agree wholeheartedly.

                    He took a duck in the face at two hundred and fifty knots.

                    by jrooth on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 08:36:26 AM PDT

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                    •  Recall that (0+ / 0-)

                      I never said I disagreed with Ken's larger point.
                      This discussion, as he pointed out in his update, devolved into a discussion of the merits of the programs, which was probably inevitable.
                      Ideally, you'd send permission slips home or something.
                      I wouldn't want my children taught that the death of Martin Luther King was due to the presence of the Second Amendment in the Constitution of the United States.
                      Which, upon review, is what I get from the NCPC materials.

                      Not a fan of DARE either.

                      The Use of Children as Informants

                      "Children are asked to submit to D.A.R.E. police officers sensitive written questionnaires that can easily refer to the kids' homes" and that "a D.A.R.E. lesson called 'The Three R's: Recognize, Resist, Report' ... encourages children to tell friends, teachers or police if they find drugs at home."[30]

                      In addition, "D.A.R.E. officers are encouraged to put a 'D.A.R.E. Box' in every classroom, into which students may drop 'drug information' or questions under the pretense of anonymity. Officers are instructed that if a student 'makes a disclosure related to drug use,' the officer should report the information to further authorities, both school and police. This apparently applies whether the 'drug use' was legal or illegal, harmless or harmful. In a number of communities around the country, students have been enlisted by the D.A.R.E. officer as informants against their parents."[31]

                      "In the official D.A.R.E. Implementation Guide, police officers are advised to be alert for signs of children who have relatives who use drugs. D.A.R.E. officers are first and foremost police officers and thus are duty-bound to follow up leads that might come to their attention through inadvertent or indiscreet comments by young children."[32]

                      As a result, "children sometimes confide the names of people they suspect are illegally using drugs. A mother and father in Caroline County, Maryland, were jailed for 30 days after their daughter informed a police D.A.R.E. instructor that her parents had marijuana plants in their home, according to a story in The Washington Post in January 1993. The Wall Street Journal reported in 1992 that ‘In two recent cases in Boston, children who had tipped police stepped out of their homes carrying D.A.R.E. diplomas as police arrived to arrest their parents.’ In 1991, 10-year-old Joaquin Herrera of Englewood, Colorado, phoned 911, announced, ‘I'm a D.A.R.E. kid’ and summoned police to his house to discover a couple of ounces of marijuana hidden in a bookshelf, according to the Rocky Mountain News. The boy sat outside his parents' home in a police patrol car while the police searched the home and arrested the parents. The policeman assigned to the boy's school commended the boy's action.

                      "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

                      by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:32:28 AM PDT

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          •  So ... local school boards should be barred (0+ / 0-)

            from having the option to use that curriculum because you (or the governor) find it "unacceptable?"

            He took a duck in the face at two hundred and fifty knots.

            by jrooth on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 05:31:45 AM PDT

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            •  No school board, ideally (0+ / 0-)

              should have the opportunity to present curricula that are factually incorrect or misleading.
              I don't care for intelligent design either.

              "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

              by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 05:48:19 AM PDT

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              •  So ... (0+ / 0-)

                I know what you think is "bias" and an "advocacy position" in the other program, but what is "factually incorrect or misleading?"

                He took a duck in the face at two hundred and fifty knots.

                by jrooth on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 08:38:43 AM PDT

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                •  The use of the term (0+ / 0-)

                  "gun violence" to describe political assasinations is quite misleading, as it seems to shift the causative to the presence of firearms rather than the politcal motives behind those actions.
                  One of the figures on the list is Abraham Lincoln.
                  At the time of Lincoln's assassination, did the term, "gun violence" even exist?
                  The program in question seems to me to be less concerned with firearm safety than promoting a political agenda.
                  What does planting a tree have to do with how a child should behave if a firearm is found, for example?
                  Outside Catholic churches you see memorials "To The Innocent Victims Of Abortion." How would you react if those memorials were constructed as part of a sex education class in high school, and taught as a consequence of accidental pregnancy?

                  "Sorry about interrupting the pootification and kestralization of DK" - freelunch

                  by kestrel9000 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:16:12 AM PDT

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          •  I wrote something years ago (1+ / 0-)
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            about how "the gun didn't kill my husband, he killed himself with a gun." There's a difference. It wasn't even his gun, it was his girlfriend's competition target pistol, which he broke into her locked-up house to get at. He could have done an effective job killing himself with the chainsaw if he was really determined, so it's not that the tool killed him, it's that he made the choice to use it to kill himself. Where I live, firearms are a tool, which is why my neighbor has one.

            Living kidney donor needed; type B, O, or incompatible (with paired donation). Drop me a note (see profile).

            by Kitsap River on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 04:08:54 PM PDT

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    •  this is Virginia (5+ / 0-)

      in which gun rights are an extremely important civil liberties issue.  Given the prevalence of guns, gun safety programs make sense to a lot of people who do not view the 2nd Amendment as granting an individual right to bear arms, despite SCOTUS having for the first time asserted that in Heller.  

      Again, the issue is not whether or not there will be gun safety instruction.  That is a done deal.  The issue is whether localities will have any choice in the program they use in their schools.  Given the supposed Republican emphasis on liberty, it is ironic that on this issue they refuse to allow any liberty to local school districts.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 03:39:10 AM PDT

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  •  Watched a show on the Weather Channel (2+ / 0-)
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    the other night showing the consequences of climate
    change on water resources.  No need to watch a slasher
    movie to get really scared.  Water shortages are not a
    problem for the future, the problem is right now.  As
    a side note there are some wonderful pics up on
    Weather.com from ISS; one of the pics is northern
    Africa (Sahara Desert) and one I hope people take to
    heart when talking about global warming/climate change.

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