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Welcome to the smackdown that was Joan Walsh, editor-in-chief of Salon.com, going all tag-team with Jane Hall, associate professor at American University, against the racism of Breitbart and Fox News.

Appearing opposite of Joan and Jane was Matt Lewis, conservative blogger and all around Republican mouth piece.

As a bonus there is also Howard Dean, 50-State Progressive, appearing on Fox News Sunday to call out Fox for race baiting.

I have to say, I was impressed by their bold directness. It was very refreshing to see progressives not holding back.

I WANT MORE! NOW AND ALWAYS!

First up, Joan Walsh on CNN's Reliable Sources with Howard Kurtz.

She was absolutely fabulous. Top the point and never wavering or equivocating, and not one bit shy, she gave it and refused to back down in the face of outright bullshit!

While the toady Lewis refused to even say Breitbart or Fox had done anything wrong, needless that they had anything to apologize for, and in fact laid ALL the blame at the feet of Obama, of all people, Joan, with an assist from Jane, pounded the point home over and over.

Breitbart are Fox are racist and entirely intolerable!



CNN's Reliable Sources - 25/7/10 - Part One


CNN's Reliable Sources - 25/7/10 - Part Two



Here are exerpts of the transcript, highlight mine, which is available here in full.

 

HOWARD KURTZ, HOST: Let's face it. Nobody looked good in the firing of Shirley Sherrod. Not Andrew Breitbart. Not the Obama administration. Not the NAACP. And certainly not the media outlets that ran with a misleading story.

A conservative activist posts a video snippet of an Agriculture Department official edited to make her look like a racist, and everyone plays the tape?

The number two Agriculture Department official telling Sherrod this week that she had to quit because her story, or, more precisely, a maliciously edited tape of her speech to the NAACP, would wind up on Beck's show. That tape snippet posted online by conservative activist Andrew Breitbart.

Once the administration fired Sherrod, much of the media pounced on an absurdly incomplete story. That is, before learning that the full videotape showed that Sherrod was not talking about discriminating against a white farmer, but rising above such racial prejudice.

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KURTZ: Joining us now to sort out the media's role in this tangled and racially-charged tale, Matt Lewis, blogger and political analyst for politicsdaily.com; Jane Hall, an associate professor at American University and a former Fox News contributor; and in San Francisco, Joan Walsh, the editor-in-chief of salon.com.

And Joan, obviously the abrupt firing of Shirley Sherrod was a story. But how much responsibility did the TV networks bear for running that misleading video snippet before knowing the full story?

JOAN WALSH, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, SALON.COM: I think they bear a lot of responsibility.

How Fox News or anybody else could run a story and not seek comment from a person that they were calling a racist, it's quite extraordinary. And, you know, a lot has been made about Fox didn't do -- Fox isn't the cause of her firing. I'm going to stipulate that. Let's say that that's true, but Fox played a much bigger role than people want to admit.

That story, the Breitbart version of the story, ran on FoxNews.com all day Monday. O'Reilly mentioned it. Sean Hannity went on to mention it. Sean Hannity and Newt Gingrich had a lovely conversation about what a racist this woman was after she had resigned. "Fox & Friends" went crazy the next morning.

It doesn't matter that merely the Obama administration overreacted. It matters that's terrible that they did that. But there was this pouncing on Shirley Sherrod without getting her reaction or her response that I think is unconscionable.

KURTZ: Well, the story did not --

WALSH: She was easy to find.

KURTZ: The story did not run on the Fox Web site until shortly before the firing.

Matt Lewis, you've heard Joan's take on it. I still want to know, because lots of people, including CNN, initially ran that tape, how do you run the tape when it's a two-minute snippet and you don't have the whole tape, you don't have the whole story, Matt?

MATT LEWIS, BLOGGER, POLITICSDAILY.COM: Right. Well, look, I think -- and I thank Joan for actually saying what we know to be true, that Fox News did not air it until after she was fired. Once Shirley Sherrod is --

WALSH: That's not true. That's not what I said, by the way.

LEWIS: I think that is what you said.

WALSH: And it's not true. No. I said --

LEWIS: You disagree with the fact that Fox News did not run the tape until after she was fired?

WALSH: Bill O'Reilly ran the tape before she was fired.

LEWIS: That is not true.

WALSH: The story was on --

JANE HALL, PROFESSOR OF MEDIA AND POLITICS, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY: I think there's a larger point. I mean, I think Howie has written a story that says that the timeline is such that Fox -- Bill O'Reilly taped at 5:00 and it aired at 8:00.

KURTZ: Right. So, just to clarify, when he taped his call for her resignation, no one knew that she'd resigned. By the time it aired at 8:00 p.m. Eastern, she had been fired and that was being reported.

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HALL: I think the larger point -- I mean, I'm glad you checked the facts. The larger point, I agree with Joan Walsh.

The larger point is this was what we used to call in journalism too good to check. It was an incomplete video that actually -- I think this is almost like a virtual world McCarthyism where someone is hung out there to dry without the facts, and in fact made to say the opposite of what she said.

And the Obama administration couldn't last through one news cycle, but Fox ran with this without checking. From what I've read, they checked with the USDA.

They ran with it because it fit their narrative of a very anti- Obama situation. Breitbart was trying to prove, while you said that the NAACP said the Tea Party people had racist elements, I'm going to find a racist on the Obama side.

KURTZ: I was trying to make the point that a lot of networks ran with it. And MSNBC found those tapes of "Fox & Friends." Keith Olbermann blaming his own network, as well as others, in what he called the cowering media.

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KURTZ: As you know, Joan Walsh, Breitbart kind of fancies himself as a new media guy taking on the liberal press.

How badly has he been damaged by this whole episode?

WALSH: You know, that depends on how the media treats his garbage in the future, Howie. He should have already been discredited because he did the exact -- or not exact same thing. He did a similar thing to ACORN.

You know, when law enforcement looked into what he did -- he tried to prove that ACORN helped a pimp and a prostitute evade taxes and God knows what else. When law enforcement officials actually looked at what he did, they said he selectively edited, he left out things that would have exonerated the ACORN employees. And, you know, Rupert Murdoch's New York Post actually said that he set those people up. You know, the California attorney general said the same thing.

So Breitbart has a history, and yet Fox runs with this crap, and some other news organizations ran with this crap. This is what he does.

KURTZ: OK. Matt Lewis --

WALSH: This is what he does, and he shouldn't get away with it.

KURTZ: You've written for Breitbart's biggovernment.com. You interviewed him about this whole thing the other day.

LEWIS: I did.

KURTZ: He is refusing to apologize. Should he apologize?

LEWIS: Well, look, I think that Andrew -- everybody here is right that Andrew Breitbart really felt like the Tea Party was given a raw deal, that --

KURTZ: OK. That's his motivation.

LEWIS: Right.

KURTZ: But he put out to the media -- it seems to me he was either dishonest and knew that this was misleading or, in fairness, maybe he was duped by the source who provided it.

In your view, should Andrew Breitbart apologize for what he did?

LEWIS: I believe that he was provided with a tape that was edited inaccurately.

KURTZ: Does that --

LEWIS: I don't think it's his fault.

(CROSSTALK)

LEWIS: Look, I don't want to speak for him, but I'll say this -- I think the video mischaracterized her. I think it was wrong that -- but look --

KURTZ: So you don't hold him accountable, the person who put the video out?

HALL: He's still saying there was racism in the room, for goodness sake. He's not apologizing.

LEWIS: If I said something today that was taken out of context, and somebody put it on a Web site, I would hope that my employer, before they fired me, would look at the video. I think it is the White House --

WALSH: Don't make this about the White House.

LEWIS: Breitbart cannot fire anybody, Howie. It is not Andrew Breitbart that can fire somebody.

KURTZ: But he could -- he can write something on his site and say, you know what? In this instance I screwed up, I should have checked it out more thoroughly. But he absolutely refuses..

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KURTZ: Let me just talk about Shirley Sherrod -- who gave about 147 interviews this week. And look, it's impossible not to feel sorry for her.

On Monday, she's pulled over to the side of the road, told to resign. By the end of the week, she's getting a call from President Obama.

Here's what she had to say to Anderson Cooper about this whole matter and about Fox.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHIRLEY SHERROD, FMR. GEORGIA DIRECTOR, RURAL DEVELOPMENT, USDA: I don't think he's interested in seeing anyone get past it, because I think he'd like to get us stuck back in the times of slavery. That's where I think he'd like to see all black people end up again. And that's why --

COOPER: You think he's a racist?

SHERROD: -- I think he's so vicious. Yes, I do. And I think that's why he's so vicious against a black president.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


KURTZ: So, Matt Lewis, she says Breitbart wants to take us back to the times of slavery.

Is that fair? And are the media giving her a pass now for using that kind of language?

LEWIS: I think it's unfair. Look, I don't think it's right.

I think that Andrew Breitbart is a conservative activist. I think he cares very deeply about liberal bias in the media and about attempts to portray -- we're going to talk later, but we know that there are attempts for liberals in journalism to portray conservatives as racists.

I think he's concerned about this. I think this was -- clearly, Shirley Sherrod was misrepresented in that video. We have no doubt about that.

KURTZ: She also talked about Fox News, in effect, being racist.

We're over time, but Joan Walsh, a brief response from you on this point?

WALSH: The woman's father was murdered by a white farmer, and there were witnesses. And the white justice system never found the murderer guilty. She's entitled to talk about race any way she wants to.

LEWIS: Any way she wants to?

WALSH: That's not giving her a pass.

LEWIS: So if you've had a bad experience in your background, you can say just anything you want?

WALSH: Yes, any way she wants to. A bad experience in your background? I'm talking about murder. Murder, Matt.

And the fact of the matter is, the woman turned out to be the antithesis of Andrew Breitbart, who told a story of racial reconciliation and healing and forgiving white people, and going on to help white people --

LEWIS: I just don't think any of us should get --

WALSH: -- and going on to -- the issue in this country --

LEWIS: I just don't think any of us should get a pass to talk about --

WALSH: -- is class as much as race. I'm not giving her a pass. But I think the idea that she shouldn't be able to say Fox or Breitbart is racist is preposterous. She gets to say that because it's true, and because from her vantage point it's especially true.

KURTZ: Well, in fairness, it's certainly debatable.


SMACK! BAM! BOOM! You go girl!

Joan, awesome is your middle name and you should teach other 'journalists'!


Now on to Howard Dean appearing on Fox News Sunday:

Fox News did something that was absolutely racist. They had an obligation to find out what was really in the clip. They had been pushing a theme of black racism with this phony Black Panther crap and this business and this Sotomayor and all this other stuff.

The Tea Party called out their racist fringe and I think the Republican Party's got to stop appealing to its racist fringe. And Fox News is what did that. You put that on. Continuing to cater to this theme of minority racism and stressing comments like this -- some of which are taken out of context -- does not help the country knit itself together.


We need much, much more of this and we need it now and constantly until November!



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    At the heart of racism is the religious assertion that God made a creative mistake when He brought some people into being - Friedrich Otto Hertz

    So yes, Republicans, Conservatives and 'Tea Party' types (apologies for the redundancy) believe they know better than the 'God' they claim to follow.

    Yet more evidence of them 'believing' whatever they like and making it up as they go along.

     

    I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

    by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 05:20:47 AM PDT

    •  Thanks, can't get over all the Progressives who (69+ / 0-)

      also blamed the the President, or found some moral equivalency between Barack Obama and Fox News. If you listen to the Conservative, Matt Lewis, here he is unable to blame Breitbart, or even admit that Breitbart owes this good woman an apology. In his mind it's Obama's fault and we experienced an awful lot of that on this site last week. A distasteful episode. Thanks again for your post.

      •  Which progressives (33+ / 0-)

        found moral equivalency between Obama and Fox? I have seen none, exactly the same number as I suspect you have seen.

        Progressives may have been critical of both parties but for very different reasons so no moral equivalency. Please don't make shit up.

        The Teabaggers are the GOP base

        by stevej on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:42:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Exactly (34+ / 0-)

          There is plenty of error for all parties to share in the entire Sherrod fiasco.

          But the errors of the administration (Oh, sh1t, we got punk'd) are completely different from breitbarts (Heh, watch this fake sh!t) and Fixed Noose's (let's get our next scalp).

        •  Well there's Mike Taylor for one (17+ / 0-)

          Look what he left on my diary:

          "Yea, he's a lot better than Bush/Cheney or
          McCain/Palin.
          And that has become the standard, hasn’t it?"

          by Mike Taylor on Sun Jul 25, 2010 at 08:39:01 AM  

          Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

          by kid funkadelic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:03:05 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Then Anderson Cooper (14+ / 0-)

          Starts acting like Juan Williams.

          Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

          by kid funkadelic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:06:30 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  The Times, for example, ran (31+ / 0-)

          several articles blaming the White House without even mentioning either Breitbart or Fox.

          Here's the lead article in Sunday's Week in Review

          Here's one that takes the WH to task for not being about the reach Sherrod by phone

          These are just two examples.  I read them with a dropped jaw.  This is not "making stuff up."  The White House took the blame for this repulsive, dishonest behavior by racist provocateurs.  

          Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

          by SottoVoce on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:18:14 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Which Progressive? That's like saying to someone (27+ / 0-)

          "You have ten fingers" and the person responds by asking, "Where?" We all saw the blame Obama frenzy that was conducted here last week. Fox News did it, the media did it, and plenty on this site did it. It is also interesting to note that Ms. Sherrod stated that the President did not owe her an apology. This is the victim speaking.

          •  We blamed the Obama admin for the firing. (9+ / 0-)

            Because, well, they fired her. It was their decision.

            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:50:42 AM PDT

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            •  She resigned. She wasn't fired. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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              by ParkRanger on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:24:25 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  resignation vs firing (7+ / 0-)

                A forced resignation is a firing without the employer having construct a cause.  As a friend of mine once said in the newspaper when he was asked for his resignation (for doing his job) "I learned of my desire to resign at 3:30 that afternoon."

                •  I'm reading other stories about it and am not (1+ / 0-)
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                  sure what to believe at this point.  I read that she said she was asked to explain it and didn't and others say she didn't have a chance to explain. I can't find the article right now that quoted her as saying she delayed explaining, but I'll keep looking for it.

                  I absolutely understand what you are saying, but even if she was forced to resign, wouldn't she have had an opportunity to speak to someone at that point?  They surely couldn't have filled out paperwork and forged her name to it.

                  She's an experienced civil rights worker and a tough lady.  I expect her to take care of herself at this point.

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                  by ParkRanger on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:53:41 AM PDT

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              •  Are you fucking kidding me? (0+ / 0-)

                "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

                by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:42:24 PM PDT

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            •  "We" did *not* all join in with the (11+ / 0-)

              WH pile-on.

              http://www.dailykos.com/...

              From the very beginning, as some very familiar names for reasons unknown chose to participate in what was to me a blatant piece of RW media spin as pertaining to the WH's culpability, some of us not only demanded fact rather than gossip and innuendo, but also were able to maintain perspective regarding the real problematic elements, which were neither the WH nor the NAACP.

              There's no "we" here.  There are people who cannot stand the WH and jump on it at any and every provocation whether real or imagined, and there are people of every ideological and tactical point of view who can stand and are even proud of the WH and while never claiming that it is perfect, are able to detect a benevolence.  No "we" or "us" at least as far as I'm concerned.  There might be a silent consensus, but as for the more vocal commenters, handful of us that there are, there is no unifying theme here.  At all.

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              by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:39:56 AM PDT

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              •  She *herself* cited WH pressure. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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                by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:28:40 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  She herself cited a comment (6+ / 0-)

                  made by her superior using threats pertaining to the WH and Fox"News" reportage as leverage to (it appears) force a resignation.  Some of us understood that she was the subject of a media hit job and thus did not demand perfection of her (she also initially blamed the NAACP for standing up to the teabaggers, something which put her into the crossfires).  Instead we asked for proof.  And some of us were greeted with the same accusations of WH shillery and all-around wrongness because we refused to participate in what turned out to be (IMO predictably) a RW tactic of deflection.

                  I said it then and I say it now: sensationalism leads to poor results for progressives.  We need to stop participating in it, and stop using these same tactics against the WH.  For what purpose would anyone choose to nod approvingly to a ridiculous meme about the WH as cowardly and scared of Fox"News" based upon gossip?  When that entire portion of the story is not even the proven main story, which was Fox"News" getting a piece of racial propaganda into the mainstream media?

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                  by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:33:32 AM PDT

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                  •  Right. She cited WH pressure, (2+ / 0-)
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                    as she was told by her superior.

                    Besides, I said the Obama admin screwed up.

                    “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                    by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:37:43 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Except that we had diaries on the front (7+ / 0-)

                      page and the rec list not only making the WH the focal point of this story, but also floating around vacant memes pertaining to fear and cowardice with no basis.  Come on, this is not right, and at some point, when are people simply going to say, "you know what, I got played."

                      I've been posting the following piece all over the place in hopes of persuading people to think about building up a resistance to the RW spin machine.  Here is Bush's former speechwriter, calling out his own side for their bullshit:

                      When Andrew Breitbart unveils a selectively edited tape to defame a federal employee, conservatives blame Barack Obama

                      Okay — look at the conservative media reaction to the firing of Shirley Sherrod.

                      [snip]

                      Conservative pundits justify fraudulent journalism on the grounds that all is fair in war.Sherrod was telling a story about overcoming her own racial antagonisms. She had repented, had helped the white farmer, had saved the farm, had formed a friendship with the farmer and his family that lasts to this day. Besides which: The episode in question dates back to 1986, long before Sherrod ever went to work at the USDA.

                      By the morning of July 20 the Sherrod-as-racist narrative had collapsed.

                      [snip]

                      By the evening of the 20th, however, conservatives were backing away, acknowledging that an innocent women had been defamed.

                      [snip]

                      But you’ll never guess who emerged as the villains of the story in this second-day conservative react. Not Andrew Breitbart, the distributor of a falsified tape. No, the villains were President Obama and the NAACP for believing Breitbart's falsehood.

                      http://theweek.com/...

                      I knew that as soon as the story broke that the right wing got caught in a huge lie, that there would be an attempt to deflect blame onto the WH and NAACP.  This happens like clockwork.  The right fucks up, but Dems are the ones to blame.  Please consider looking suspiciously at "Dems suck!" memes, as it is my incredibly strong opinion that they originate with the right, merely picked up by credulous progressives in the new media who need to reconsider the usage of sensationalism to advance a progressive agenda.

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                      by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:44:54 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  The right didn't fuck up. (0+ / 0-)

                        The right did exactly what they meant to, and they won.

                        This would've been a total non-story if the Obama administration (White House or not) had treated the story with the proper attitude toward everything coming out of wingnutville — summary dismissal. I mean, the right smears people all the time, and it doesn't do much damage because the admin doesn't take the bait.

                        “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                        by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:20:00 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  I really totally and utterly completely (4+ / 0-)

                          disagree with you here with regards to what would have happened had Vilsack/Cook not fired Sherrod.  As soon as this attack hit the mainstream media via Fox"News" laundering the Breitbart defamation, the WH was going to take a hit either way.  Either jumped the gun, or dithering racists who provide cover for Black Panthers and "reverse racists."  

                          The only distinguishable factor here is that the right got caught.  

                          The videographer had the tape, the farmers were still alive and talking, and the right got caught within days rather than the months it took to clear up their ACORN lies, when damage had already been done.  

                          And rather than take opportunity to make the case that the right spreads lies, people took opportunity to deflect and flood this site with their constant and neverending WH grievances, wanting to put those grievances front and center of nearly every story.  So at this point, I'm not willing to revise history so that "we all" were responsible for that content, when that is so demonstrably untrue.

                          At what point will people simply admit that they got played???

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                          by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:28:15 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  the only thing that saved the White House (2+ / 0-)
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                            was the "white" farmers that she "saved their farm" coming forward because they were pissed with the lies. (I hate that I had to add the "white" to my comment)

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                            by mjd in florida on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:32:30 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That, and that the NAACP was able (2+ / 0-)
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                            to get their hands on the full video of what was otherwise a pretty obscure speech.

                            If those two scenarios hadn't taken place, we'd be in ACORN territory right now.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:36:00 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Or not firing her to begin with, (0+ / 0-)

                            thus making the story look legitimate.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:38:27 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Vilsack made a mistake, he apologized (3+ / 0-)
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                            but I understand why he did it...our corporate media is on a mission of destroying the middle class and poor as they are on the side of the wealthy and the big corporations with the non-functioning "trickle down economics"...which has only worked for them.

                            To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

                            by mjd in florida on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:19:31 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  No-one would have given a shit. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Seriously, do you know how many people get slimed by Beck and Breitbart every single freaking day? And no-one gives a shit besides their audience, which is substantial but not that big.

                            The story only got legs when someone in the administration got scared.

                            Look, there will always be wingnuts. Always. You may as well rage at the weather as get pissed off at Breitbart. In fact, all your rage against him only makes him stronger.

                            The way to defeat him is to quit giving into him.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:34:15 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  All of the major outlets (5+ / 0-)

                            "gave a shit" and reported on this story, not merely because a relatively obscure USDA employee was fired, but because there was an incendiary tape which was supposedly evidence of "reverse racism"!

                            Bottom line is that those who tried to give either the WH or NAACP a black eye immediately following the revelation that Breitbart lied, were played.  Played, and were inadvertant participants to the right wing spin machine.

                            Look at the article to which I linked; this is not even hidden at this point.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:38:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um, the WH and NAACP got played. (0+ / 0-)

                            And you say by pointing this out, we're being played?!

                            Besides, there were possible responses besides firing her. Like, telling the whole truth.

                            You know, she warned her superiors days in advance that they might be about to get flak for that speech. Someone was taunting her over e-mail. So they really have no excuse for taking that long.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:40:53 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Who said they did not (2+ / 0-)
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                            I merely stated that they are not and should not be the focal point of this story, one, and that, two, once a right wing smear hit the traditional media it is ludicrous to assume that the Vilsack not firing Sherrod would have resulted in the media simply letting go of it.

                            I have identified the real problems here, and they are neither the WH nor NAACP no matter the right's protestations to the contrary.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43:21 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I don't assume anything. (0+ / 0-)

                            It's not like the choices were either to summarily fire her or to hope the whole thing would blow over. They could have, you know, defended her.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:45:13 PM PDT

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                          •  Yes, they could have (2+ / 0-)
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                            and if a bird had a jukebox up its behind, there'd be music in the air.  The point is that Fox"News" acted as launderer for a fraudulent story which wound its way throughout the traditional media.  This is my focal point; attacking the WH or NAACP is a mere divergence, and yes, the right wing noise machine uses these divergences as a tactic.  As progressives, it behooves us to understand these tactics and model our own accordingly.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:47:24 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Ooh! Ooh! I have an idea for a tactic! (1+ / 0-)
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                            How about let's not believe any video released by Breitbart, ever, and assume that he is at all times a fraud?

                            An awful lot of us got snookered by the ACORN pimp video, too. We didn't help matters there.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:53:59 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I personally didn't believe the ACORN (1+ / 0-)
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                            story.  And part and parcel of our tactics does need to be fact-checking the media even if it is not as satisfying as blaming the WH for everything.  The media's false equivalencies predated this WH; I will not take my eye off of the ball.  I will critique this WH in matters of policy, not simply kneejerk when told how weak and cowardly are Dems.  This is my tactic, and it has everything to do with looking out for my best interests as a non-gazillionaire American and nothing to do with reflexive water-carrying.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:57:51 PM PDT

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                          •  Our fact-checking would've done no good. (1+ / 0-)
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                            They didn't wait for anyone's fact checking before they fired Sherrod. So how was that supposed to help? And if Breitbart wasn't discredited by the ACORN mess, he never will be, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:00:45 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Seems to me that this incident (1+ / 0-)
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                            has brought about some introspection.  So I disagree if your contention is that the situation is hopeless thus we must sit around and fruitlessly join in attacks against this WH instead.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:03:49 PM PDT

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                          •  I'm not attacking the White House. (1+ / 0-)
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                            I'm criticizing the White House. Breitbart attacked them.

                            Look, someone needs to tell Obama he's got a problem here with the way his administration deals with the far right. And however little chance we may have of getting them to shape up, I guarantee it's way better than our chance of getting FOX and CNN to shape up.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:09:40 PM PDT

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                          •  That would be helpful, too (1+ / 0-)
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                            because too many of us think the First Amendment protects those assholes' microphones, in addition to their speech to do anything about FOX or Breitfart directly ;)

                            In the meantime, to our detriment, too many of us also still don't know the difference between criticisms and attacks. Oh, heaven forfend we have the unmitigated temerity to vent our spleens in the direction of this White House. It's all "bashing Obama", even when it clearly and obviously isn't.

                            Oh, I'm sorry, I should have never butted into your conversation without checking your posting history and checking with others to gain context and insight. Carry on ;)

                            STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                            by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:21:25 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Many of "us" didn't get (1+ / 0-)
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                            snookered by the ACORN and the pimp narrative. Maybe it would be useful to go back and read a few of the comment threads...

                            Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

                            by blindyone on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:29:50 PM PDT

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                          •  And IMO defending her (2+ / 0-)
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                            would not have stopped the story.  The proof that Breitbart lied changed the story.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:47:54 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um … that's exactly what I'm saying. (0+ / 0-)

                            If they had done the bare minimum of work to verify the reports, they would've found their proof perfectly quickly, enough to make it all about Breitbart without getting egg on their own faces.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:51:09 PM PDT

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                          •  "Bare minimum of work" (1+ / 0-)
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                            Meaning pulling an NAACP tape out of their behinds.

                            Whatever, IMO they were mistaken, yet so are those who continue to insist that they be the focal point of the story rather than allowing the right wing to take full responsibility for their garbage.  Seems as if with some of us, lesson learned.  Others, not so much.  C'est la vie.

                            Peace and peace out.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:52:51 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You won't even let it be *part* (0+ / 0-)

                            of the story.

                            And frankly, we're focusing on the WH because we can try to influence the WH. We can't bring down an entire right-wing propaganda infrastructure, at least not all at once right now, but we can try and prepare progressive organizations for how to deal with them.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:56:35 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Some of us have not ceded the media (2+ / 0-)
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                            to the right wing.  IMO the reflexive choice to pan the WH for everything and put disdain for it front and center of every story is not influencing the WH or holding it accountable; it is merely allowing the right to deflect their own excesses onto someone else.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:00:06 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  This is not a knee-jerk reaction. (0+ / 0-)

                            The Obama administration (at whatever level) got duped by a well-known fraud. The fact that a well-known fraud did something fraudulent is simply not a story in itself. It's Dog Bites Man. That is why the WH is the focus.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:05:57 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And you think that (0+ / 0-)

                            it was too much to ask them to hold off a day before firing her? It didn't take long for the full video to be found. They could've let the story go on that long. There was no need to react so strongly mere hours after the video was posted.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:58:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Please stop moving the goal posts (2+ / 0-)
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                            I had a very clear and nuanced reaction from the beginning: (a) Sherrod should be reinstated as Vilsack was mistaken as is the entire notion of "reverse racism"; and (b) the right should not be allowed to change the story.  You agree on (a) yet have been spun by the right as to not understand the importance of (b).  This is simply my opinion, but I believe that it has merit and has been borne out with the events of the past week.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:02:23 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I don't think it was the right (0+ / 0-)

                            that changed the story.

                            Like I said, Breitbart lying is simply not news. An Obama admin official believing the lie is news. So that was the story to begin with.

                            They could've made the right the story if they hadn't backed down so quickly. Whether you call it weakness or cowardice or over-caution or merely a strong predilection for tactical retreat, they miscalculated.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:13:22 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And please quit telling me I'm being spun. (0+ / 0-)

                            I have come to my own conclusion, thanks much.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:16:36 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                        •  O.K. but we can understand, I hope, Vilsacks's (3+ / 0-)
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                          extreme worry about the corporate media making this into the next Rev. Wright,  birth certificate or Acorn "fake" story.  I had already heard it by Joe Scarborough at 6:00 a.m. the very next morning. (he has always been one to receive the right-wing daily meme and I "start over" his program to watch the 1st 5-10 minutes early mornings to see the corporate right-wings daily agenda...keeping an eye on the corporate enemies)

                          To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

                          by mjd in florida on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:29:03 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  The right lied (3+ / 0-)

                            IMO Vilsack was sincere in his apology: he's been trying to clean out any hint of race-based decision-making from the USDA, which had a history of such, generally to the detriment of black farmers, for whom he just helped to arrange a significant and historical settlement.  He thus had a zero tolerance policy and made the mistake of not understanding the utter maliciousness of Breitbart as well as Fox"News" inclination to report baseless racial fearmongering.

                            Bottom line is that the problem is the right wing, and the traditional media not looking crosseyed enough at their "stories," something which it appears is being reconsidered as we speak.  That's actually a positive development.

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:34:46 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Um, they're not the ones (0+ / 0-)

                            who fired someone (oh, sorry, demanded their resignation) over a news story from questionable sources without checking the facts. Vilsack should have been just as cross-eyed, if not more so.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:43:39 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Sure, but this was exactly the wrong play. (0+ / 0-)

                            If they needed to do damage control, they should've actually tracked down the original speech, then defended her by holding her up as an exemplar of racial progress, thus totally undermining the right's message rather than legitimizing it.

                            Maybe it was understandable given the circumstances. They still fucked up, and they need to quit doing it.

                            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

                            by Jyrinx on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:37:17 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Hopefully, letting it unfold will become (1+ / 0-)
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                            a teaching experience.  The main thing that I have been disappointed in so far is that Sherrods' message of it being poor and struggling working class Americans vs. corporate power and the very wealthy.

                            To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

                            by mjd in florida on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:25:55 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  the "missing" message reported. (0+ / 0-)

                            To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

                            by mjd in florida on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:27:11 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  Exactly (5+ / 0-)
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                    the "WH pressure" was a media-generated meme based on Mrs Sherrod's report that the USDA underscretary told her that the WH wanted her to resign and that she was going to be on Glenn Beck.

                    So far the WH has denied they had any direct involvement. Vilsack denied that there was any "pressure" from the WH. Yet no word from the said undersecretary who reportedly made the remarks in the first place.

                    Yet both the progressive and right-wing media seemed determined to run with the false narrative of WH pressure based on that one comment from Sherrod about the USDA undersecretary.

                    •  Yup (3+ / 0-)
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                      And that's why I wanted to wait for facts, not speculation in the context of such a sensationalist frenzy.  I'm sick of the same people insisting that those of us who choose to not participate in these frenzies are the unprincipled ones.  It is my sincere belief that sensationalism does not work well for progressive outcomes.

                      Yet both the progressive and right-wing media seemed determined to run with the false narrative of WH pressure based on that one comment from Sherrod about the USDA undersecretary.

                      Yup, with a lot of drama and innuendo to back that up.  I'm so gratified to see this period of calm reflection within the media and pushback against the right!

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                      by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:53:49 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                  •  Amen! (1+ / 0-)
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                    Tell it!

                    Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. RFK

                    by vcmvo2 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:35:15 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Thanks vcmvo2! (2+ / 0-)
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                      I remember this time period very well because I was as per usual subject to baseless accusations of being unable to tolerate criticism of the WH rather than someone who was very suspicious of the sensationalist nature of this story, as well as the human inclination to play CYA and toss the hot potato to the WH rather than simply admitting that a bunch of people got played by the right and should stop reporting on their stories without extensive research.  IMO the more thoughtful professionals and pundits have already reached this conclusion, to my extreme gratification.

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                      by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:41:26 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  IMO GN there are far too many (2+ / 0-)
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                        who will resist admitting that they got played, because it's so embarrassing. This is just the first time that FOX and Breitbart got caught so quickly!

                        If not for the video and the farmer's statement it would have become the same old, "he said, she said" type of sorry explanation and Breitbart would have moved on to his next smear!

                        Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. RFK

                        by vcmvo2 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:43:42 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  That's exactly right (2+ / 0-)
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                          This is what distinguishes this incident:
                          This is just the first time that FOX and Breitbart got caught so quickly

                          They got caught so fast that it became more difficult for the media to try to pin this on the WH and easier to see through the self-serving RW insistence that they do so.  This was a gift to us and I for one am going to make full use of it!

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                          by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:59:37 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Me too! (2+ / 0-)
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                            Finally! Yesss! LOL

                            Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. RFK

                            by vcmvo2 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:09:43 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm thinking that the one thing that (2+ / 0-)
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                            a lot of folks here could help out with is to write letters to the editor, talk to persuadable neighbors, friends and co-workers, write comments online if you do that... about how Breitbart is a sneak and a liar, and a racist, who will edit tapes and smear the little people and push them into unemployment with no remorse.

                            Calling him a "conservative activist" as Howard Kurtz did is giving him way more respectability than he deserves.

                            Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

                            by blindyone on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:38:09 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That's exactly right! (2+ / 0-)
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                            Breitbart is an unrepentant smear merchant who looks to cash in on people defamed.  Well said, blindyone!

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                            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:43:40 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Good job here as always, GN. (2+ / 0-)
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                            I'm just getting around to this diary and the thread, but I'm glad that the diarist got the video up there.

                            This whole concept of "reverse racism" is powerful in our society. A lot of people here don't seem to understand how well it works... even when they see lots of support for shutting ACORN down, highlighting the "new" Black Panthers like they matter to anybody, and, now, going to audience reaction when Ms Sherrod was speaking, because the GOP (because that's who we are really talking about) can't smear her anymore.

                            People are still being dainty, even on Daily Kos, about calling Breitbart a racist. I really don't usually call people racists. I usually go to "It's not what you are, it's what you do" way of thinking (courtesy of Jay Smooth)

                            But I think that someone who profits by attempting to destroy people of color with no feeling of remorse... repeatedly, in the case of Breitbart, and seems to have a fixation on pointing out the "moral failings" of people of color should have earned the description of being a racist by now.

                            At least, we should be able to agree on this on Daily Kos, and we should be working to undermine  the influence of people like Breitbart, and institutions like Fox News.

                            When leftist critics of the Obama administration (who have legitimate greivances) latch on to a racist narrative... they deserve to be called out as selfish, immature and politically inept.

                            Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

                            by blindyone on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:00:57 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  This is extremely well-said from start (0+ / 0-)

                            to finish.  Excellent comment, as usual, blindyone!

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                            by GN1927 on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 07:48:35 AM PDT

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        •  My comment below makes that distinction (n/t) (2+ / 0-)
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        •  oh puleeze... (16+ / 0-)

          just on this site...

          Fox News Smarter Than Obama - Demos

          Stop Slandering Fox News on Sherrod UPDATE

          Just How Racist or Stupid does the Administration Think They Are?

          The foolish cowardice of the Obama Administration.

          A Kossack asking "Which progressives found moral equivalency between Obama and Fox?" You've gotta be shittin' me. They blamed it squarely on Obama and tried to exonerate Fox. The question remains if these people are indeed progressives... I don't think so, but they call themselves so.

          •  Real Kossacks? (4+ / 0-)
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            As far as I know, there is no test for anyone wishing to open an account here. Four diaries out of the apprioximately 200 posted each day do not speak for all of us.

            •  I would agree. (8+ / 0-)

              I think that people should be realizing that infiltrating progressive sites by right wingers is a common, classic approach.  You can see their writing a mile away.  The best way to deal with them is NOT to rec them up or REPLY to their foolishness.  They latch on to some Kossacks legitimate criticisms of the President and I think that they are responsible for starting WW III up in here.

              You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

              by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:52:19 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  good point... (10+ / 0-)

              sadly, at least one of the diaries I link to is the "work" a long-time contributor to this site, who produced a lot of interesting, high-quality work over the years. And I didn't even link Icebergslim's yesterday fail diary, as a courtesy to her.

              I don't know exactly WTF is wrong here, but I've seen similar stuff before in Europe.

            •  Pardon me (4+ / 0-)
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              Out of curiosity, what was your reaction?

              Did you rec any of those diaries?  Make any comments in diaries which cut through the RW spin of deflection with an insistence that the WH was indeed to blame for this incident?

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              by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:42:11 AM PDT

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              •  Me? (0+ / 0-)

                I am not sure if this question was directed toward me or not.  If so, I only read one of the diaries and I did not comment or recommend any of them.

                •  Really? (5+ / 0-)
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                  I thought I saw comments of yours expressing outrage at the WH attached to a thread of mine in a diary refuting the ridiculous meme that the WH is "scared" of FoxNews.

                  But it's neither here nor there.  I'm just pointing out that in fact a goodly number of the more vocal folks here did buy into the WH distraction and did participate in shifting the conversation onto the WH, which is a peripheral story IMO, rather than allowing the right wing to take full and total responsibility for their smears.  Not evil or horrible, but it did take place and I think that it would behoove all of us to figure out how we can avoid playing into the right's deflection tactics in the future.

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                  by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:57:11 AM PDT

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                  •  Wow! (1+ / 0-)
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                    Is this the comment?

                    There are two reasons why the Administration blew it, IMO.  First, was that they took as true the word of a right wing blogger and Faux Noise and forced Shirley Sherrod to resign without checking the facts behind the reason for asking for her resignation.  That is bad management, pure and simple.

                    Second, even IF the incident that supposedly occurred 24 years ago when Shirley Sherrod did not work for the U.S. government was true, why would it affect her current employment if she was an exemplary employee now?  I would hate to think that any one word or misstep from decades ago in a different job could get a person fired from their current job, regardless of excellent current performance.

                    This is a very ugly slippery slope and that is why I am so disappointed in the Administration's response to this horrible pack of lies.

                    There was NOTHING inconsistent with this comment in the context of which it was posted which was in agreement to another comment (which had 33 recs) about how the Administration jumped the gun in firing Ms. Sherrod.  In fact, that comment was far more critical than mine above.

                    For some reason, you have chosen to single me out for this one comment? Damn! I thought we were on the same side, but I guess the fact that I have been a huge supporter of the President since the early primaries means nothing.  I have already blasted Breitbart and Fox for their immorality.  So when his Admin. makes a very bad decision, apparently, I am not allowed to be disappointed in it?

                    I am done with this.  Have a good day.

                    •  This is not about singling any one person out (2+ / 0-)
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                      this is about refuting the contention that there was not a voluminous amount of content here which absolutely placed (IMO too much) blame and focus on the WH rather than staying focused upon the real problem.  I only remembered your comment because it seems to me that you're here downplaying this; absolutely agreed that the comment above yours with 33 recs did the same.  I did not demonize or attack that commenter as I'm not demonizing or attacking you.  I placed my objections on record and reached an accord with that commenter, so this is no witch hunt.  I'm merely trying to correct the record as to what went on here, and not minimize what went on after the fact.

                      I hope that you have a good day as well!

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                      by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:12:40 PM PDT

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                      •  I appreciate your response (1+ / 0-)
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                        Quite honestly, I did take exception to the terms "outrage" and "downplaying" when there was none of that in any of my comments about the WH's handling of this incident.  

                        The body of my interactions here at dkos are constructive and of a respectful nature to other commenters.  Sometimes when a person posts what they believe is a constructive comment and then is called out on it, that person gets very defensive. In all honesty, I felt that way today.  

                        For that reason, I do appreciate your comment above. Thank you very much.

            •  No but they don't (4+ / 0-)
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              reflect well on those of us who aren't interested in promoting today's RW talking points, do they?  Everyone has a right to express an opinion and write a diary about that opinion.  Those of us who think they're making incorrect, even stupid, assumptions also have the right to mention that we're not impressed.

              I don't read Red State because I have no interest in being gamed or lied to.  I feel the same about DKos, and I confront it when I see wooly thinking and reflexive attacking.

              If the writers and their supporters don't like that I guess they need to decide if they want to write diaries or comments on a website that allows for all participants to speak their mind.  I expect to be dumped on at least a few times in every diary I write, and to have people disagree with my comments.  It's a blog.

              I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

              by I love OCD on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:08:53 AM PDT

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            •  Check out the comment threads and who (0+ / 0-)

              uprates. It's another measure of what is going on here these days.

              Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

              by blindyone on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:43:00 PM PDT

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          •  So there was no foolish cowardice... (6+ / 0-)

            on the part of the Obama administration?  You agree that firing Sherrod was the rational thing to do given the circumstances?

            Really?

            •  do not change the subject please... (9+ / 0-)

              It's not about the White House and Vilsack (with these folks eating some well-deserved and, hopefully, nicely-cooked crow), it's about people in the blogosphere going apeshit about the mess and blaming the fooled more than the ones who did the fooling.

            •  She resigned. She was not fired. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              by ParkRanger on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:26:24 AM PDT

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              •  She was fired (0+ / 0-)

                Fear was used to fire her. It seems Cook appealed to her better nature by saying harm would come to the President if she didn't resign.  

                Not sure if Cook stretched the truth in her anxiety to be a good soldier for the Administration & Vilsack, but she sure used it on Mrs. Sherrod.  She has probably been ordered to keep quiet or send her own resignation in, while others try to work out of the part of the mess she has created.  Lawyers are certainly being hired.  Ms Cook has been envying Donald Trump for a while.  

                Forget the NAACP and others who have egg on their faces here - Obama would probably have known better.

                Those acting on his behalf acknowledged the FEAR of the power of FAUX, and for this they should be ashamed. Ashamed that they haven't been able to come up with people and communications to counter the BreitBrats of this country.*

                Never let them see you sweat.  I'll bet Ailes, Murdock & Co are chortling in their A/Ced, high Manhattan offices; much the way Bin Laden did in his secure cave after 9/11.  

                Rahm-bo and Co. often do not serve the President or the country well, IMO and observation.  

                *Note: the first political awareness of the then 6-14 yo was the witch hunting of J McCarthy - it's an injustice which has stayed in my bones for 40+ years and I can smell from a mile away.

            •  No foolish cowardice (2+ / 0-)
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              So there was no foolish cowardice...
              on the part of the Obama administration?

              Vilsack asked for Sherrod's resignation and the NAACP condemned her comments in a video that they own. The White House said that while it was Vilsack's decision to make, they backed his decision to ask for her resignation. There was no foolish cowardice on the part of the administration, the same administration that called FOX out for being an adjunct of the Republican party and got slammed for it by the MSM.

              You agree that firing Sherrod was the rational thing to do given the circumstances?

              The firing was rational but it wasn't right. Vilsack acknowledged that it wasn't right. It was rational to fire her based on the edited text that the NAACP condemned but it wasn't right because he didn't ask for her side of the story, he didn't give due process.

          •  Exactly... it was all over the place in (1+ / 0-)
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            the comment threads. And people working hard to cement the concept that since the president is too cowardly to take on Fox News, he must be unable to protect us against terrorism.

            How much more neocon/rightwing/GOP can you get? And there are people who post on a regular basis rec'ng up these comments.

            Why can't they say that hate is 10 zillion light years away- Stevie Wonder

            by blindyone on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:41:57 PM PDT

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      •  That's how they work (44+ / 0-)

        If the Pressident does something good, slam him for it. If he makes a mistake , slam him for it. If he had nothing to do with it , slam him for it.

        People march to his rallies with guns, the right says, what guns? Then they acknowledge that the Black guy they invited there with a gun, then they say it's not racist.

        We have got to make them look really ,really stupid. I wonder what Breitbart is saying today? Most of this was to stop the black farmers from getting paid for their lawsuit.

        Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

        by kid funkadelic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:47:24 AM PDT

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      •  Progressives should have been jumping all (30+ / 0-)

        over to bring the "real" message from Sherrod to the forefront in this fiasco...

        The biggest problem for most Americans (except for the very wealthy) is that the "trickle down theory" of the last decades has been a failure.  We have become a country of big corporations and the very rich vs. the poor and struggling middle class.

        Instead, we have all sides pointing fingers at a peripheral issue.

        To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

        by mjd in florida on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:53:54 AM PDT

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      •  It is hard to understand why (14+ / 0-)

        kurtz wanted to keep the focus on Sherrod and off the reporting by the msm..when that is what the program is charged to do!?  He and Lewis were deflecting off fox like crazy..when that is the root cause..not Obama!

        •  Hard to understand, (24+ / 0-)

          my ass.

          Assuming this wasn't snark, let's clarify this:

          kurtz wanted to keep the focus on Sherrod and off the reporting by the msm

          because it's his job to help cover their lying asses.

          FOX has no choice now but to spin and spin and spin until their viewers--who are no doubt starting to ask questions (yes, I know at least one)--believe that FOX had nothing to do with this.

          FOX had everything to do with this. Part of why they create absolute bullshit is to divert our attention (from whatever couple dozen more critical, more important issues which may be coming to the forefront--like "clearing out Gitmo so it can be closed").

          Well, this time, they've gone entirely too far. We need to keep calling them out for the LIARS they are, loud and long and consistently, until their audience starts waking the fuck up.

          STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

          by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:05:32 AM PDT

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          •  Their audience (12+ / 0-)

            is their audience because they WANT to be lied to for the purpose of reinforcing their selfish fantasies. They will never wake the fuck up because they aren't fucking sleeping.

            Fox and all their MSM friends indeed do need to be called out as liars for the benefit of the people who want to know the truth, so maybe one day those people will wake the fuck up and stop paying some cable monopoly for the dubious privilege of being brainwashed 24-7 by professional liars and whores pretending to be 'news' sources.

            Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

            by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:03:17 AM PDT

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            •  The point is (9+ / 0-)

              they don't understand they're being lied to, and they need to get that. Too many people still believe that:

              "They" wouldn't let it be on teevee if it wasn't true

              It's not JUST about "wanting their narrative confirmed", although I'm sure there's a bloc that falls into that category. The bigger issue is making America aware that:

              it can be on teevee, even if it's a bold-faced, outright, demonstrable lie

              As noted elsewhere, there are also a lot of fence-sitters watching this whole "lying media" shit playing out, and we need to get to them and try to help them find their way back to reality while the getting is good.

              STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

              by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:09:48 AM PDT

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              •  Actually, I usually take the reverse course (3+ / 0-)
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                If it's on TV, it's probably not the truth, or it's a very distorted and one sided version of the truth.

                This is much closer to reality when you consider that to get the attention of a multi-million corporation it has to draw eyeballs and fit pre-defined narratives about consensus reality.

                In war, we are almost always the 'good' guys, even if we happen to be starting a war unilaterally and unprovoked and invading a foreign country and murdering lots of innocent people as we do so.

                Did ANY major network actually point out that the Iraqi war was illegal from the perspective of the international community? No. A few blogs did, some magazines but no major network. Even now, with the war fast falling from America's radar, no one really mentions the fact that it was illegal, unethical -- a war of opportunity carried out by lying to the International community and the American public.

                When I want truth, I'll read a book from a trusted source or hit a few websites. My assumption with most mass media outlets is that they are simply distorting or not telling all the truth. It's in their fucking DNA.

                90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

                by DelicateMonster on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:33:57 AM PDT

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                •  That's because (4+ / 0-)

                  you're not "most people" (obviously, you're here, aren't you? ;))

                  And no "major network" did this because they weren't permitted to:

                  Did ANY major network actually point out that the Iraqi war was illegal from the perspective of the international community?

                  Because the airwaves are propagandized sludge; and thanks to the ruling of Akre/Wilson vs New World, LYING without repercussion is A-OK. Because if you, the anchor, won't read the Lies to The People, you can be legally replaced.

                  This is not in their DNA.It's in their corporate boardrooms and their Human Resources departments.

                  STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                  by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46:51 AM PDT

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                  •  Thanks for the note (3+ / 0-)
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                    on Akre vs New World....horrible, horrible decision...for those who don't know the details

                    Lost in the fog of war, the fiery trail of Columbia, orange "alerts," and the continuing deterioration of our civil liberties was a verdict on February 14 handed down by the Court of Appeal of the Florida Second District. In that verdict the Court in essence said technically it is not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.

                    The three judge panel thus reversed the previous $$425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by FOX Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information concerning the widespread use of the Monsanto manufactured rBGH hormone.

                    Akre and her TV producer-reporter husband Steve Wilson had prepared a WTVT/FOX13 documentary on how Florida dairymen had been secretly injecting the genetically engineered rBGH into their cows and how Florida supermarkets quietly reneged on promises not to sell milk from treated cows until the hormone gained widespread acceptance by consumers.

                    In their subsequent law suit the reporters charged in detail FOX Television owned by Rupert Murdoch's multi-national News Corp, strongly pressured by Monsanto, with violating the state's whistleblower act by firing the journalists for refusing to broadcast false reports and threatening to report the station's conduct to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

                    http://www.purefood.org/...

                    90% tax on all income over a million or more: a simple solution to funding Healthcare Reform, extending Social Security benefits and other budgetary concerns.

                    by DelicateMonster on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:09:16 AM PDT

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              •  I know some FoxBots (4+ / 0-)
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                and even a few Teabaggers quite well, because they're in the family. They very much DO understand the lies, embrace them because those lies reinforce their selfish fantasies. They "want their country back" even though they know very well they never owned it. They demand government stay out of their SS and Medicare even as their agents in government - the ones THEY put there - seek to eliminate these programs completely. They claim to cherish the constitution while actively seeking to destroy it. On purpose, eyes wide open. They know they are lying, they know everything they're told is a lie. They are, in point of fact, People Of The Lie, and damned proud of it.

                So while I get the fact that some few of them are just seriously deluded fools, I am not buying the idea that they are all seriously deluded fools. In my observation, the majority are plain old capital E Evil. Racist, hypocritical Pharisees, vain and greedy bastards who hate the United States and want to overthrow it. Then they plan to 'ethnically cleanse' the population, kill off the caucasian poor, declare a new nation of religious tyranny and install themselves at the helm. They're sick to death of waiting for Jesus to institute that fascist dictatorship in the sky (and put them in charge of exacting revenge on those they hate), so they're hell-bent on doing it for themselves here and now.

                They called me "traitor" when I protested BushCo's illegal wars, torture of POWs and mass murder of civilians. They always project their own positions onto those they hate, all you have to do to know where they're coming from is to see what smears they're throwing out today. They are enemies of the state and mean to turn it into what it is not and was never designed to be. Definitely not stupid. Evil to the core.

                Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:17:37 AM PDT

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                •  Same here, two brothers (1+ / 0-)
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                  but they're NOT inherently evil, they're lower-information consumers who have had their society buttons manipulated for over 30 years.

                  Ask any shrink you know. That's long term conditioning, and easily-possible. (in fact, if I ever go for my PhD, I'm going to invent a new vocation: English Therapist ;))

                  The only thing truly evil about most of FOXs audience (besides their blatant racist tendencies) is that they're little more than talking evil Useful Idiots.

                  Hey, the telly says so. It must be true or they wouldn't let it on the air.

                  Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing that. Evil talk is still evil, especially when you pass that shit on to your kids (or if you talk to someone unhinged, and then they "do something").

                  But the issue here, at the end of the day, is really institutionalized propaganda. And we really need to keep our eye on that ball.

                  I've been called worse than traitor by my blood relatives. They laughed at me. But you know what? They, along with the majority of these Fox-bots are simple, willingly-led people, because they've been listening to bullshit for so long, they think it's the truth.

                  Seriously. Because if they follow this:

                  They "want their country back" even though they know very well they never owned it. They demand government stay out of their SS and Medicare even as their agents in government - the ones THEY put there - seek to eliminate these programs completely. They claim to cherish the constitution while actively seeking to destroy it.

                  then they do not understand the lies as LIES.

                  I do hear ya--your points all demonstrate exactly the problem with their positions. But the vast majority of these people aren't evil, they're easily-led. And actually, in some ways, that's even more dangerous than if they were merely evil.

                  STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                  by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:37:59 AM PDT

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                  •  Well, I took a bit of (3+ / 0-)
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                    psychology sandwiched in there between genetics, physics and crystallography. While I agree that these people suffer actual personality disorders - thus the penchant for projection of their own deficits onto their targeted enemies - I grew out of feeling sorry for them as misguided many years ago. Most aren't effectively evil outside their own small spheres at home or work, but they'd surely love to be. That makes them considerably dangerous and feeling sorry for dangerous people is not very smart.

                    It's the evil that is dangerous. They are master manipulators, will wreak havoc if you let them too close. Like vampires, you shouldn't invite them to cross the threshold. If they're family you can't even exercise that much self-protection.

                    The easily led are as easily led away from their folly as into it, are capable of being shown the truth and accepting it. Those who cannot veer from the lies are those who buy in because they choose to. IMHO, of course!

                    Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                    by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:02:28 PM PDT

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                    •  Good point (3+ / 0-)
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                      Most aren't effectively evil outside their own small spheres at home or work, but they'd surely love to be.

                      Then we should stop them before they get out of their own little sphere. And the only way to do that effectively is to stop the propaganda, because voting alone is not going to stop this shit.

                      The propaganda is the problem. Or, the Media is the Massage, as a pretty smart guy once said (I've had a few Psych courses myself ;))

                      Again, some of these folks are truly only motivated by evil, I am not disagreeing with that. But the majority of them? No. They need to be led, and this particular brand of bullshit fits their own little inner narrative (for whatever reason). If the propagandoids went off the air tomorrow, they'd all find something else to be dysfunctional over, and they'd be just as nuts about that.

                      But if the propagandists are allowed to hold sway, then the truly stupid become just as dangerous, if not more so, than the inherently evil.

                      STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                      by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:12:43 PM PDT

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                      •  Perhaps so. (1+ / 0-)
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                        I can judge only by the people I know who have embraced the hate, and they may be significantly more intelligent than the rank and file. I've been fascinated all my life with the paradox of fascism and what happened in Europe in the 1930s/40s. Worse, I've researched the roots of the whole 'ethnic cleansing' thing - Britain and the US with their eugenics movements, which was so embraced and expanded by the US that California's laws served as the model Hitler used to begin his efforts. Once killing is seen as an appropriate response to the 'other', it's very easy to step it up to include more and more 'others'. Hell, the Germans saw it as entirely civilized. So did way too many Americans.

                        I've often wondered how it could be that a majority of whole populations could be turned into willing, even eager mass murderers almost overnight. A more recent example was provided by the World Court as lead-in to its war crimes tribunals in the aftermath of the Serbia-Bosnia horrors, a great lecture and film backup by a television journalist about how people who lived and worked together, partied together, intermarried, etc. turned on each other seemingly overnight. I recognize that this barbarism is something inherent to our animal nature, barely controlled most of the time by our thin veneer of civilization. Until the word itself can be turned.

                        Something we might hope we will evolve out of some day, some of us might even be avatars of that development. We must recognize that our population harbors thinly-veiled haters who could turn quickly and en masse as well. That makes paying attention to the growing tide very important if we expect to prevent the bloodbath some media puppeteers are actively fomenting.

                        I'm just not falling for the "poor, misguided idiots" excuse for big-E Evil which makes zero pretense of hiding its murderous agenda. Listen to their actual words. Hear their hateful dog-whistling. Look 'em calmly in the eyes and tell me they don't know what they're speaking and buying - and why. I believe they know very well, and fully intend to own it.

                        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                        by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:08:08 PM PDT

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                        •  There's stupid and then there's dangerous (1+ / 0-)
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                          Most are both. Some are one or the other. But IMO, the vast majority of them are low-info idiots who simply would rather be told what to think, because it's easier than thinking for themselves.

                          Once they actually think it? Oh, another story, oh, yeah, I'm sure they ALL believe it. But most of them didn't come up with it all by their idiot selves. 30 years of institutionalized propaganda took care of that very nicely.

                          (and fwiw, if or when they ever realize how wrong they've been, IMO, not a damn one of them will ever own it ;))

                          anyway...

                          We must recognize that our population harbors thinly-veiled haters who could turn quickly and en masse as well. That makes paying attention to the growing tide very important if we expect to prevent the bloodbath some media puppeteers are actively fomenting.

                          Yes, we do, I absolutely agree. And to do that, we should also start trying to recognize that our First Amendment does not protect those who foment violence against their own countrymen and women--willingly, repetitively foment actual violence over a long period of time.

                          We do not condone yelling Fire! in a crowded theater, and we do not condone joking about taking bombs on airplanes. Again, IMO, it is long past time to revisit the Brandenburg decision, to ensure that "freedom of speech" applies only to the speech itself, and not to the microphone and the satellite transmission.

                          Great discussion :)

                          STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                          by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:43:01 PM PDT

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                    •  "Like vampires, you shouldn't invite them to (1+ / 0-)
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                      cross the threshold."

                      Certain blood relations haven't been welcome in our home for 8 yrs, and wouldn't be allowed in to pollute the place if they showed up at the door.

                      •  That's extremely sad, (0+ / 0-)

                        even if probably wise. I rue that this is what it's come to.

                        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                        by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:01:50 PM PDT

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                        •  Yes it is sad (1+ / 0-)
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                          but it's a measure of self-protection, keeping the blood pressure down and not allowing contact which would make the situation even worse.  

                          For years, abuse and insults were put up with in their homes from name calling to books by Rush and Coulter deliberately left on the coffee table. I doubt if they came here, they would follow my example of good manners by not picking a fight with us in our home.  

                          Not to mention they would want to have a book burning!  Which by the way, they agreed with when it happened in the late 60's or early 70's, when a corporation (Xerox?) distributed children's books to area schools and libraries.  Sick!!

                          •  It was easier for us. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Our fathers/brothers/brother-in-laws would have rather died than live with us. Some of them have done just that in the ensuing years. The Moms were what I'd describe as neurotically physically ill. Hooked on doctors and pharmaceuticals and allergic to everything - dogs, cats, sunshine, fresh air, every plant you could name...

                            And this is a little homestead in the most abundant lands in North America, the southern Appalachian temperate rain forest. We have dogs because we must have dogs to keep the bears at bay. We have cats because... we like cats. We have birds. We have dirt and grass and a big garden full of vegetables. We've got a vineyard and an orchard and several acres of hardwood forest in medicinals. Three stories of chestnut 100-year old cabin with uneven stairs and only one bathroom. Best relative deterrent we ever discovered!

                            Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                            by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:33:57 PM PDT

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                          •  Sounds like heaven (1+ / 0-)
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                            Just goes to show you not all from the Appalachians are goofy!  Some don't appreciate what they have.  

                            Another reason not to have them, some are smokers.  Love chestnut wood, we have cedar, but even with just two of us, need a bath & half.

                            In Feb just before we were to go to Hawaii for the first time, the local bad-ass stomach and gut flue hit us both.  So bad area schools were canceled for a Friday before a week-end.  Friend who owns a shoe store had to close the store, because his 2 kids, wife and 2 employees were sick. I went to overflowing hospital ER because I was so low on fluids.

                            Each toilet had a necessary bucket/bowl parked next to it. Don't know what we would have done without the 2nd toilet.  But if it's a deterrent to nasty relatives coming, maybe it's worth the occasional inconvenience.

                            There are thousands of us trying to negotiate and deal with inconvenient relatives, another legacy of the RePIGS & Tea Baggers - hang in there!  

                          •  hehehe... (1+ / 0-)
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                            Sorry about the "stomach flu" - sounds like some of that stuff that gets loose on cruise ships when somebody doesn't wash their hands after visiting the toilet...

                            Which isn't that much of a problem around here, there's a passle of trees to water if need be. Pretty much eradicated the poison ivy over the past dozen years or so of having 10 holes of disc golf up here, the 9 holes in the bottomland are only playable in winter for anybody who actually gets poison ivy. We're all immune. Hoping to get the course past professional muster for a tourney this fall, gonna call it the "Kudzu Open." Have to install a double-seater composting outhouse in a convenient location before then, though.

                            Best thing that ever happened to seriously discourage the head teabagger in the fam (who also happens to be an SBC preacher with his own church and everything) was that yellow jacket attack in the bottomland the summer after we moved here. Suckers zeroed right in and went to town, had to dunk two of the kids in the creek before they let up. I sincerely doubt any of 'em will ever be back. Funny how the many bees, wasps, hornets, etc. don't seem to mind us that much. Or even the best of our friends and relatives! Hmmm...

                            Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                            by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 05:22:20 PM PDT

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                          •  The flu literally seemed to (1+ / 0-)
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                            travel west ward from one end of the upstate portion of the NYS Thruway to another.  The local ER & med staffs all knew about it (some with personal experience) and said once the spouse got it, it was inevitable that I would get it too.  They were right.

                            Felt soo badly for a little girl of about 2 also in the waiting room - she of course, didn't understand what was happening to herself. Mother said it was the sickest she had been since she was born.  

                            We were a day late in leaving for Hawaii. And with 2 ft of snow outside, I wasn't about to go outside with my 101 temp.

                            Indoor plumbing & toilet paper are wonderful things!

                •  I'm afraid I must agree with you (3+ / 0-)
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                  I can't keep on assuming these are just good, deluded people. some are, of course. but to keep on believing lies in the face of clear evidence means not delusion, but justification.

                  people of the lie.

                  •  exactly. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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                    Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                    by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:02:57 PM PDT

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                  •  but what do you do? (1+ / 0-)
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                    Attack them? Go to war with them? We already tried the Civil War thing, and that didn't go so well...

                    How about we take a good long look at the instigators' microphones?

                    We really need to get past the notion that the First Amendment guarantees a nationwide television or radio broadcast of anything.

                    STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                    by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:37:08 PM PDT

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                    •  Another traitor here (2+ / 0-)
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                      A libuural traitor, at that.  Also guilty of not being a christian, of spitting on soldiers, of being a murderer (for supporting a woman's right to choose) and other assorted crimes.  

                      After the bullying, shunning & battering, we decided we wouldn't have anything to do with them. Wills have been changed. It's mostly worked for 8 years.  This works for some, but not for others.  Fortunately we live 500-1000 miles away, which helps.  

                      •  Ha! Yeah, we chose (1+ / 0-)
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                        to live at least 500 miles from the 'rents when our kids were very young. They grew up okay, the grandkids are even better (because by the time you're raising grandkids, you're a certified pro. All regular parents are amateurs...). The biggest problem - if it's a problem - in this economy is that they never leave home. So we're very pleased that we thought ahead enough to have plenty of room to expand, even if the cabin itself is tiny. 26 acres (more or less), and never bubbled into ridiculous-ville. If we can all hang on another 4 years, it'll be paid for [knock on wood or formica...].

                        I got all the sad stories from my parents about having to move back to their parents' farms during the Depression, as if it were some kind of shame. In this Depression way, way too many people don't have parents with farms.

                        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                        by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:09:20 PM PDT

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                      •  I think it was (2+ / 0-)
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                        dallasdoc who said just last week that he firmly believes that we should all live at least one good plane ride away from our nearest blood kin.

                        I agree--it's worked wonders for me, too ;)

                        STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                        by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:11:14 PM PDT

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                    •  Oh, my solutions would be (0+ / 0-)

                      way off the charts on anything actually doable in the political realm. I'd let 'em secede. Let Alaska, South Carolina and Texas go, just insist beforehand that all who don't want to live with it are provided homes and jobs in the free states first. Then remove all federal troops and equipment, let 'em buy and equip their own police state functionaries. Relocate to the borders to help escapees and fend off raiders. Then isolate the hell out of them - no help with education, city and county budgets, business locations, civil and criminal justice, nada. They get nothing from our taxes. Let 'em hit up Mexico for foreign aid...

                      Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                      by Joieau on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:14:14 PM PDT

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        •  Kurtz does it mainly to cover his (22+ / 0-)

          azz.  He knows exactly what is going on, but will not tell the truth for fear of offending his "brethren" in the media.  Truth, be d@mned.  He's a rank coward, along with all others in the media who refuse to practice real journalism.  It would have been entirely too much, in his opinion, to demand that Lewis tell the truth about Breitbart. Cronkite, Brinkley,and/or Murrow would have eaten Lewis alive using facts they had uncovered about Breitbart.  

          •  It's "professional" courtesy (12+ / 0-)

            for Kurtz not to discredit fox. After all aren't your work friends, your contract and career far and more important than the truth? It's amazing to me how these guys are still trying to cover their asses with a warm, wet blanket of false equivalency when all the facts of Breitbarts smear have been revealed.

            None of these people should be considered journalists. Opinionated news readers? Sure, if you're being charitable. Journalism is pretty much dead in America.  

            •  And another thing I get "a kick" out of is when (13+ / 0-)

              the media personalities, and that's all they are, not journalists, sound all baffled and in wonderment about how a story like the Sherrod story happened, how it became so big.  They pretend to have no sense of their own responsibility and acknowledgement of their own roles in making a story the talk of the town.  It's because they played that edited clip nonstop.  As they did with the Rev. Wright tape-----continuous loop, nonstop, on all channels.  It's pretty obvious how a story becomes huge to all but those who are the instigators and to those who irresponsibly promote it.  The truth of any issue is not even secondary, it's beside the point.  It's all about ratings and beating and bettering the competition on a "juicy" story.

        •  Because the last thing, grown man HOWIE wanted (8+ / 0-)

          to own up was to honestly call Fox out.

          His right wing friends would disown him.  O'reilly would rant about him.  That would be the kiss of death, that thing called the truth.

          I could have sworn that the number one job for a media critic was to be brutally honest.

          Joan Welch had remind HOWIE that this show is about the media, how pathetic was that?

        •  Not hard for me to understand... (3+ / 0-)
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          As long as I've been watching RS, Kurtz and crew SELDOM blame mainstream media.  At best they wag their pinky finger and say, now, now, MSM, that's not nice...

          I'm glad that Joan Walsh bitched-slapped RS down yesterday.

          You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

          by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:54:59 AM PDT

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        •  There's plenty of blame to go around (2+ / 0-)
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          Fox jumped on the story like a lion on a wounded antelope and the rest of the media followed as usual. The Obama administration wanting to avoid any controversy or scandal, knee-jerked and fired Sherrod. None of those involved bothered to investigate any further before running with it.

          Shame on them all.

          When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

          by Cali Techie on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:47:37 AM PDT

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      •  It's way too easy to blame "Obama" (18+ / 0-)

        as though everything and anything done by his administration was instigated by him personally.

        As for myself, I was and am critical of the actions taken by people under him, though I doubt he was personally aware of any of it until the shit really hit the fan.  So no, I don't blame Obama for any of this; but I do criticize the USDA for a royal and inexcusable fuckup.

        And I agree, there is no moral equivalency whatsoever between the institutional racism of FN and AB and the bureaucratic incompetence shown by the USDA.

        You can't spell CRAZY without R-AZ.

        by rb608 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:16:35 AM PDT

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      •  No moral equivalency (20+ / 0-)

        Breitbart and Fox both engaged in promoting a vicious smear campaign based upon lies. What they did was immoral.

        The Obama Administration does not get a pass from me, though.  What they did was simply poor management, not immoral.

        Both acts damaged Shirley Sherrod.  Breitbart etal tried to destroy her reputation and good name.  The Administration temporarily damaged her career. Big difference.

        Poor management can be rectified and the result of a bad management decision can be undone.  And I do hope that the Obama Administration has learned a lesson from this and will be less likely to jump at the fear of Glenn Beck.  

        However, there is no moral equivalency here between the Administration poor management decision and Breitbart, etal's purposeful smear of Shirley Sherrod's reputation and good name. Andrew Breitbart and Fox News will not learn anything from this because there is no cure for immorality.

        •  I totally agree... (2+ / 0-)
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          For Fox News, there is no better immoral equivalent.

          You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

          by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:58:47 AM PDT

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        •  Fox management (2+ / 0-)
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          Poor management can be rectified and the result of a bad management decision can be undone.

          No it can't unless you fire Sherrod's boss. Otherwise what you have is Fox, Kurtz, Lewis and BreiBartVideoSimpson.:
          1."Brownie, you've done a hechuva a job".

          1. The whole intelligent world community thought

            Iraq had WMD's.

          1. "No one could have seen this (Katrina) coming".

          3 is a classic, a political non-partisan catchall, follow that up with "I'm sorry" and you have Bart Simpson.

          1. We are a coalition of the willing, 26 nations

            holding Saddam accountable.

          8 years of bad management by Bush. Unless you are talking of "undone" by Obama, but you could have gotten "McCain in stone".

          Management and Parenthood 101. "Would you please explain yourself"? Followed up with "I will check into this and when I get to the bottom of it we will have another conversation".

          Stupid is what stupid does, sometimes I take myself by surprise.      

          •  To clarify my post (2+ / 0-)
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            which I thought was already very clear.  Once again,

            When I referred to poor management, I was referring to the Administration's reaction to the Brietbart lies.  Poor management acts first without getting the facts.  It was not a purposeful or intentional act of harm to Ms. Sherrod.

            What the Bush Administration did for eight years was NOT poor management.  It was a intentional manipulation of the truth to benefit the rich classes, both through the wars and their economic policies.  What Breitbart and Fox News did was not poor management either.  It was a series of lies and smears against an innocent human being (Ms. Sherrod) for the sole purpose of making the NAACP look bad and for the purpose of backing the Obama Administration into a political corner.  These examples are NOT poor management, they are immoral and that is a huge difference.

            •  by the way, (2+ / 0-)
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              I do not believe firing someone at any level is the proper response.  Firing someone for firing (asking for a resignation IS firing) Ms. Sherrod does not solve the basic management issue which was damage control by firing her before finding the truth.  They were wrong.  

              The Administration needs to get a strategy to deal with the right wing noise machine.  IMO, the best solution is to confront them head on, not let them dictate Administration policy, whether it is firing Ms. Sherrod, or firing Vilsack.  As long as the right wing gets mileage out of their lies, they will continue.  They need to be marginalized and the best way is to continue to point out their lies.

        •  Totally agree (5+ / 0-)
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          On the administration's part, I assume a good faith error. Incompetent, yes, but not out of bad faith.

          Fox and Andrew "Yes, I'm scum" Brietbart did what they did maliciously, malice aforethought, in bad faith, with no interest in anything but getting a scalp, any scalp. And they're continuing to prove it.

      •  Let me get this straight: who fired Sherrod? (5+ / 0-)

        What are you saying, that was Fox Noise? I heard it was her boss, whose boss, last I heard, is Barack Obama?

        Plenty of embarrassment to go around here, okay? But come on: blaming progressives for finding "moral equivalency" is silly. No one says that.

        Personally, I'm content to hold the Obama White House responsible for behaving in a hasty, thoughtless, cowardly, and irresponsible manner; for acting on something that came from Andrew Breitbart and Fox - without checking it out; thereby looking like many kinds of a jackass, thereby mindlessly following the leadership of the right wing noise machine, thereby casually destroying the career of a courageous, dignified, and honorable public servant?

        Boy, can't you just hear Rahm fulminating, get out in front of this one!!!! Sister Souljah moment! Let's score some polling points here!

        We don't need a third party. We need a second party.

        by obiterdictum on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:54:38 AM PDT

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      •  Why go after progressives again, Ned? (1+ / 0-)
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        We're not the enemy!

      •  we all know what to expect from Fox News by now (0+ / 0-)

        It's disappointing that Obama administration would allow itself to be so easily manipulated. They deserve all the derision they get right now.

      •  I want Breitbart (2+ / 0-)
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        to face a f-ing lawsuit, for slander/libel (whichever applies), character defamation, and loss of income/status...throw the book at the bastard.

        If anyone on the Left would have done this to a member of Bush's Cabinet, the Right would have been up in arms.

        "When it gets harder to love, love harder" -- Van Jones, NN10, 7/23/10

        by Cali Scribe on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:55:28 AM PDT

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    •  I wonder why I didn't get my HR :( (3+ / 0-)
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      I usually do when I get a diary in the Recommended list..

       

      I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

      by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:20:13 AM PDT

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    •  my favorite part -- when Lewis says Walsh (9+ / 0-)

      is at Netroots Nation and she says "what planet are you on?"
      (and then he gets sarcastic and says "San Francisco" the way someone might say "cesspool").

      If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

      by Tamar on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:47:55 AM PDT

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    •  Adjusted your tags DiegoUK, now leave the star. (0+ / 0-)

      Saw that you edited out your own Recommended tag.

      You've earned it, and i'm happy to put it there.

      So leave it. ;}

      Now all you brats Get Off My Lawn!!

      Welcome to the Corporate States of America ®, give us your money, then die quietly.

      by geez53 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:21:28 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks :) any idea why.. (3+ / 0-)
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        I don't have my HR thingy?

         

        I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

        by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:31:20 AM PDT

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        •  You'll have your TU status when you've (2+ / 0-)
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          gathered enough mystical computer mojo from the dKos algorithm. It's a combination of comment recs, diary recs and history of participation and whether you prefer cats or dogs ;} . I expect that will happen shortly.

          Welcome to the Corporate States of America ®, give us your money, then die quietly.

          by geez53 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:37:09 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks. I've been here a while and.. (2+ / 0-)
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            I've had TU, but tend to lose it after a couple weeks. I usually get it back when I have a diary on th rec list, and I've had several, but not this time. Thought it a bit strange.

            I still don't understand why a TU would lose the status, but I suppose it's logical for TU to last a limited time, unless the user is getting high participation points or the like, otherwise everyone would end up with TU over time I suppose, though I'm not sure that would necessarily be a bad thing, all in all.

            Just doesn't feel good to lose it. Leaves me feeling like an un-trusted person :(

             

            I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

            by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46:26 AM PDT

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            •   lost mine before, due to lack of participation (0+ / 0-)

              It was sort of a relief to not have to see the trolls. ;}

              All-in-all, no system is or will be perfect, but this one works for now. Blogs, governments, social orders, we'll be adjusting them till the sun turns us into charcoal. ;}

              Welcome to the Corporate States of America ®, give us your money, then die quietly.

              by geez53 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:09:16 AM PDT

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            •  If you're offline long enough (0+ / 0-)

              or just read and don't comment, it'll eventually fade away; it encourages people to participate, rather than just build up the mojo and use it for drive by HRing. Sort of "if you don't use it you lose it" in action, I suppose.

              "When it gets harder to love, love harder" -- Van Jones, NN10, 7/23/10

              by Cali Scribe on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:53:24 AM PDT

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              •  Yeah, but always before I get it back.. (0+ / 0-)

                 
                ..when I get on the rec list. But not this time. I wonder what has changed..

                I certainly feel like a Trusted User, no matter what the site thinks of me :P

                 

                I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

                by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:29:18 PM PDT

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    •  I am thoroughly impressed (3+ / 0-)
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      by what a gutless fuck Howie has become.  When you have an egregious breach of journalistic ethics and you can't bring yourself to say it... you're a fuckin' lap dog.

      •  Exactly! (2+ / 0-)
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        Howie's been working on his degree in "gutless fuckery" for a long time! He may have hit PH.D. level by now!

        Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. RFK

        by vcmvo2 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:51:01 PM PDT

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    •  Nice work, DiegoUK. (3+ / 0-)
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      I appreciate the transcripts - my hearing is not good, and I miss almost everything when the talking heads are over-talking each other.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:12:15 AM PDT

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    •  Great diary! (0+ / 0-)

      Thank you for posting it!

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:50:59 PM PDT

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  •  Uh oh...bad news for Fox Views, looks like not... (49+ / 0-)

    everybody is buying the "I didn't do it" excuse from Fox that they are just innocent reporters in this story.

    They were the driving force behind it and demanded over and over that Sherrod be fired and I'm happy to see some liberals calling them out on that fact.

    If you're walking down the right path and you're willing to keep walking, eventually you'll make progress. - Barack Obama

    by LiberalCanuck on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 05:44:17 AM PDT

    •  yep (9+ / 0-)

      you noticed that too?

      Their viewers are starting to ask questions.

      STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

      by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:06:39 AM PDT

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    •  It's obvious (4+ / 0-)

      that Fox was given the video by Brietbart...and somehow Fox reported it on their website as they said they were waiting for a response from the USDA and NAACP (...fancy that they weren't waiting for a response from Sherrod herself...you know the woman they accused of racism and said on their shows should be fired).

      So my question, and not that it matters much to me in this because I think many people are at fault here (Breitbart, Fox, any other news organization that ran with the breitbart version of the story as it was spun by him, and yes even  the Administration/Obama because I believe the buck stops with him and he is ultimately responsible for his underlings-vilsack's- action sorry but that's just how I see it)

      Sorry...I digress..above... but my question is how did the USDA/Vilsack first learn of Sherrod's highly and grossly edited statements? Did Fox give it to them? So Fox had it first?. Because on their Fox.news website story on July 19th, the fake Breitbart version of the story appeared and they say they are waiting for a response from USDA and NAACP on the story. IF so then Fox is the one that spread this vile crap by giving it to these organizations as is...fake and wrong....and then asking for them to respond? So Fox had it first and still didn't feel the need to fact check it for accuracy or rebuttal from the person they're accusing of being a reverse racist, but expected the USDA and NAACP to do their jobs for them. Unbelievable... Even though their only jobs as professional journalist and news reporters (not stenographers) is to fact check stories for validity, truth.

      Mediamatters is all over the timeline and Fox's role in spreading the smear and bogus story. Joan Walsh was great.

      Fox has major egg all over it's face here...and they have the typical when caught red handed, "attack, attack, attack, never apologize and point the finger of blame at others" operation working full force. But they are extremely culpable in this story for spreading bogus lies and attempting to push an agenda and narrative (racism in this administration/gov't/Naacp) which allowed them to create/distort the real news/truth and then go on and report the distored version and reaction to it as news. Wrong wrong wrong.

      "Children are our most valuable natural resource." -- Herbert Hoover

      by emal on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:48:09 AM PDT

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      •  Not just wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        Evil.

        Propaganda sanctioned by the state is evil. That our country's lawmakers seem to be giving these televised liars their tacit approval emboldens the stupid and turns a few of them into quite dangerous thugs.

        STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

        by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:50:01 PM PDT

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  •  CNN and MSNBC need to merge (6+ / 0-)

    The idea of unbiased news was good while it lasted, but let's face it, CNN's audience will be left of center. Other than that its only role is the default 'inoffensive' choice for public venues.

  •  No defense is not an offense (37+ / 0-)

    All Matt Lewis could come up with was to say Ms. Sherrod shouldn't have called anyone a racist???  What with the right wing calling President Obama a Nazi, Fascist, Muslim, anti-Christ, not a Citizen, all Mr. Lewis could say is Ms. Sherrod shouldn't be allowed to call Brietbart a racist?  Usually in sports, one has both an offense and a defense in mind while playing.  Mr. Lewis had neither.

  •  Damitall, Kurtz LIVES to miss the point. (43+ / 0-)

    The only reason that video was made in the first place was to further the bullshit meme that Obama and his supporters are anti-white racists. Which is a racist meme.

    When they start bickering about what time Glenn Beck tapes his show, you know it's gotten off track. Why would anyone make that video of Ms. Sherrod other than to paint a false picture? And why would anyone want to paint that false picture other than to spin the "black people are the REAL racists!" meme?

    •  That's exactly right (30+ / 0-)

      This is racial propaganda, designed to inflame, a cynical and hatefilled meme about blacks as the "real racists" and "reverse racists," arrogant and mean, hurting the feelings of poor disempowered whites.

      It is utter total and complete bullshit, and IMO people need to see it for what it is: attempting to arouse underlying feelings of resentment in order to foster a divide and conquer.

      When they start bickering about what time Glenn Beck tapes his show, you know it's gotten off track.

      It means they've lost the argument.  The right got caught red-handed peddling a bullshit story which defamed an innocent woman.  The weaseling going on right now: "we didn't have it on air, just our website;" "we called for her resignation after she'd already resigned"----that bullshit doesn't fly with me.  Had something like this happened under Bush, say dailykos presents a deliberately cherry-picked defamatory story, told the WH that Maddow and Olbermann were set to run with a sensationalist story, then the cherry-picked story blew up?  Please, that would have been the end of this site as we know it.  I'm sick and tired of seeing the right getting away with this crap as liberals sit and argue amongst ourselves.

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      by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:39:55 AM PDT

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      •  Now the thing is... (6+ / 0-)

        ...these things are true too:

        • Obama's people really did screw up by firing Sherrod.
        • Obama's responsible for the not-quite-stated policy of accommodating wingnut media.
        • If you're saying "this isn't a racist attack, it's just using racism to make an attack," you're wrong--"using" racism is racist.

        All true. But idiots like Kurtz keep getting dragged into these side issues because it's easier than saying, "Breitbart and Fox and their little coterie are making stuff up to inflame racist passions and it's all bullshit." Because that would be taking sides and all.

        •  agreed except for the part (10+ / 0-)

          where "idiots like Kurtz are dragged into this".

          Oh, no, they're not dragged into it--they know that if they don't cover this one up and make it look like FOX is innocent, they're all in big trouble.

          Howie will gladly help keep the hand that feeds him, and do his level best to keep others from biting it. He probably volunteered for this gig ;)

          STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

          by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:11:27 AM PDT

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        •  There has been too little discussion (25+ / 0-)

          of context.  Vilsack was tasked with an agency with a legacy of race-based considerations completely screwing over black farmers.  That is fact.  He has (a) arranged a historic settlement with black farmers who have been harmed by said discrimination; and (b) instituted a zero-tolerance policy for any hint of race-based consideration.

          Did he knee-jerk?  Yes.  Did he owe an apology?  Yes.  Is it appropriate that POTUS also apologized and reiterated his belief that his people should act on fact and not sensationalist media bullshit?  Yes.

          However, I am keeping blame where it is due, and like Ms. Sherrod, am choosing to focus on the defamers rather than "balance" the story out by focusing my discussion on the administration's perfidy, which is exponentially less than that employed by a set of people who continue to utilize racial propaganda in order to empower conservatives and entice Americans to act against best economic interests.

          Not interested in fair and balanced here, sorry.

          But totally agreed, this is a racist attack.  I believe that racism is part and parcel of an overarching agenda of divide and conquer, which is why I phrased my comment in that fashion.

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          by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:12:03 AM PDT

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          •  Ditto. The people on the left accuse Fox for (4+ / 0-)
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            their race bait and lies.

            But we turn around and accuse pres Obama with all kinds of things, even when he is not personally responsible, Why is that?

            What is the difference in tactics?

            And please don't say it is false equivalence.

            I stated it last Tuesday and it needs to be repeated.

            What Beirtbart and Fox did was race bait.  The USDA should never had fired Mrs. Sherrod without an investigation.

            My biggest beef laid on NAACP.  The tape was theirs and they had the event.

            Those on the left that jumped on the ADM, fine I understand.  But their failure to recognize that Fox and Beirtbart need to be called out and stooped at these type of race bait, is pitiful.

            •  The underlings that works for the (1+ / 0-)
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              President had to save the president from looking like a racist at all cost. So whomever is black and fox is calling for their head they must be fired.  Acorn anybody? they were defunded based on beirbart spear tapes with No investigation. When all the post investigation found all to be innocent has ANYBODY apologized to Acorn?
              Van Jones?

              No one has mention about the twitter beirtbart sent to Media Matters saying 'the next 24 hours are going to be explosive with more to come' check it out. IMO that says he had the full video with more editing/splicing to come if the first clip hadn't backfired.

            •  Why does it have to be exclusive? (5+ / 0-)

              True: Breitbart planted a false story.

              True: Fox ran a story that was obviously false, because it came from Breitbart.

              True: NAACP screwed up by throwing Ms. Sherrod under the bus.

              True: Ditto the USDA.

              True: We have to call out Fox and Brietbart for this bullshit.

              But also true: Obama sets the wrong tone by repeatedly accommodating the bullshitters. This is the Van Jones thing all over again. This is the ACORN thing all over again.

              And also true: Obama's not the main story here, Fox is.

              A lot of people on Kos are arguing like it has to be Obama's fault or Fox's fault, or that accountability for Obama is the same as equivalency. Geez, people, can't you handle more than one idea at a time?

              •  Your argument falls short on Van Jones (3+ / 0-)
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                Van Jones, had said so too.

                ACORN, was defunded by Congress, unconstitutional, mind you.  Facts matter.

                There was another employee of the ADM, I can't seem to remember his name that Beck and Fox had savaged.  They termed him  to be immoral.  Did the ADM fire him? No.  Why was that? Why didn't the ADM cave to Fox? Get real. USDA knew nothing about Mrs. Sherrod.  USDA was notorious of discrimination.  They messes up and over-reacted.

                I hate selective animesea.

                "Hating" on Obama as Van Jones said last week at the net roots has just got to stop.

                Dr, Dean says the truth is on our side.  I agree.  But we have to be intellectually, factual and truthful.

              •  Not if one of those ideas is that the president (0+ / 0-)

                is in any way at fault about ANYTHING.

                Geez, people, can't you handle more than one idea at a time?

                Free online (PDF) Dr. Robert Altemeyer's The Authoritarians, one of the most important books ever written.

                by kbman on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:21:11 AM PDT

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              •  Some of us choose to not (4+ / 0-)
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                participate in a RW tactic of deflection.  I noted the administration's mistake, discussed my opinions regarding the need to reinstate Ms. Sherrod, then turned my focus onto the actual problem rather than sitting around and wasting a bunch of time nitpicking the far more benign actors.

                This is how I work towards my own best economic interests.  Everyone will do as they please.

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                by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:47:47 AM PDT

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          •  I was shocked how quickly the media focus changed (4+ / 0-)
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            Yes, the Administration overreacted. However, I understand why they did considering the poisoned climate created by Fox and their hate talker friends - Obama hates white people, pushing the New Black Panther "story", etc.

            However, it was like Obama and the Administration became the villans and Brietbart was a victim. They seemed to buy into "how can Brietbart be blamed for the Administration acting without all the facts."

            •  I was not shocked at all (4+ / 0-)
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              The right is practiced, and unfortunately, there are many, many, many willing dupes in all parts of the ideological spectrum who eat it right up, thinking that they are principled.

              I keep linking to this piece, in hopes that those still in denial simply wake up and start taking better care of their own best economic interests, which are not served by participating in the right's deflections:

              When Andrew Breitbart unveils a selectively edited tape to defame a federal employee, conservatives blame Barack Obama

              Okay — look at the conservative media reaction to the firing of Shirley Sherrod.

              [snip]

              Conservative pundits justify fraudulent journalism on the grounds that all is fair in war.Sherrod was telling a story about overcoming her own racial antagonisms. She had repented, had helped the white farmer, had saved the farm, had formed a friendship with the farmer and his family that lasts to this day. Besides which: The episode in question dates back to 1986, long before Sherrod ever went to work at the USDA.

              By the morning of July 20 the Sherrod-as-racist narrative had collapsed.

              [snip]

              By the evening of the 20th, however, conservatives were backing away, acknowledging that an innocent women had been defamed.

              [snip]

              But you’ll never guess who emerged as the villains of the story in this second-day conservative react. Not Andrew Breitbart, the distributor of a falsified tape. No, the villains were President Obama and the NAACP for believing Breitbart's falsehood.

              http://theweek.com/...

              Bush's former speechwriter called out his own team on their bullshit and put the rightwing spin machine on blast.  To those who want to analyze this in a factual and reality-based manner, the above article is near-mandatory for any analysis of the Breitbart defamation and fraud.

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              by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:33:02 AM PDT

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              •  Thanks for the article (1+ / 0-)
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                Figures it would be David Frum since he's been purged from the Conservative ranks that now embrace the likes of Andrew Breitbart and Erik Erickson.

                I just figured the media would get it right on this since it was so obvious Breitbart wasn't just wrong but morally and ethically wrong and that the media could analyze the racial climate the Right has created and actually write about how that figured into the Administration's decision.

                I recall writing within days of the Inauguration that a memo must have gone out or some signal given that said "Attack, Attack Now" because it seemed that all of the media began to attack the President at the same time.

                •  Well said (0+ / 0-)

                  I just think that the right wing noise machine is so utterly well honed that it is still difficult for the media to escape its excesses.  The right gets one story right out of dozens and uses that for all that it's worth to discuss the "liberal media."  While the left argues amongst ourselves, nitpicking ourselves to death about shoulda coulda when the main story is the right continuing with their bs.

                  I recall writing within days of the Inauguration that a memo must have gone out or some signal given that said "Attack, Attack Now" because it seemed that all of the media began to attack the President at the same time.

                  You were spot on!

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                  by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:06:52 PM PDT

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            •  I was NOT shocked (4+ / 0-)
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              In fact I knew that it would have played out exactly in that way.

              What I was a bit surprised about was the way the left-wing media seemed to play right in the hands of FOX NEWS and jump on the adminstration (more specifically President OBama) in assigning blame. Even Larry O'Donnell on countdown seemed reluctant to accept the idea that the WH did not pressure anyone to fire  Sherrod.

              And then you had  the NYT citing Glenn Beck (of all people) as being "right" about the administration's hastiness to fire Sherrod. Many people had blamed the WH, but the fact that the NYT specifically used Glenn Beck to take a cheap shot at the WH suggested that their agenda was to give FOX NEWS a pass so that they could freely lambast the administration, specifically the President.

              The so-called liberal media was continuing to bash the Obama administration by using a FOX News pundit who is KNOWN to be a master race baiter!! That was VERY surprising.

              •  This is *exactly* right (3+ / 0-)
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                Thank you for not trying to sweep it under the rug.

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                by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:31:07 PM PDT

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              •  It's not surprising at all (2+ / 0-)
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                if you assume all of Teh Teevee Mediaz are full of shit. They are.

                What I was a bit surprised about was the way the left-wing media seemed to play right in the hands of FOX NEWS and jump on the adminstration

                They're not "left wing" vs "right wing" anymore. They're Private Company Wing, and "whose side" they're on depends on what they want to accomplish in a given news cycle and how much money or what kind of perks they're looking to make on a given issue.

                We really have to render this notion as something beyond "surprising" to people--if this surprises you, we have been remiss in effectively getting the message out about what's happened to our journalists. What you describe is standard operating procedure for 99.5% of broadcast and cable "news" companies who own them, and has been since about 1998.

                STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:10:24 PM PDT

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          •  Racism is the easiest way (3+ / 0-)
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            for the right to divide and conquer.  It is an historically easy excuse to concentrate economic power and wealth in the hands of a few, nearly all of whom are white.

            Hopefully, the rest of us are becoming smarter and realizing that their real goal is economic power.  This is why it is so important for all Americans to overcome racism.

    •  No answer from Kurtz: (18+ / 0-)

      KURTZ: As you know, Joan Walsh, Breitbart kind of fancies himself as a new media guy taking on the liberal press.

      How badly has he been damaged by this whole episode?

      WALSH: You know, that depends on how the media treats his garbage in the future, Howie. He should have already been discredited because he did the exact -- or not exact same thing. He did a similar thing to ACORN.

      "Well, I can't imagine any news organization taking him seriously again."

      That's what you're supposed to say there, Howie. It's not that difficult a call.

      Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

      by RickMassimo on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:05:17 AM PDT

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      •  Kurtz is no different from the rest. He, like (6+ / 0-)

        Joe Scarborough wants us to think that they are just in the middle trying to be fair to the left and right. Make no mistake, they are anything but.

        For Kurtz, especially who claims to be a watchdog for his colleagues, if he can't at least for this story, discard the false equivalency meme, says a whole lot about where he stands.

        They play this game. I like to see the e-mails that goes back and forth from Republican PR people into the inboxes of these guys. A good number of them are simply hypocrites, to my mind.

        I have little or nor respect for what constitutes our media today.

        Go figure.

    •  It's his job. (2+ / 0-)
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      We don't need a third party. We need a second party.

      by obiterdictum on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:01:20 AM PDT

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  •  Tipped and recc'd (22+ / 0-)

    Joan was the bomb, and I could tell she was getting ready to let loose from her Salon article she published before going on.  Now we have to move to step II which is don't stop get deeper.  

    We are so scared to be on offense I don't think we know what to do.  KEEP ATTACKING!  

    Do not undermine the attack.  Don't do what happened in my diary when so many said that wasn't destruction

    I

    would have done so much better.  

    F that back the play push the meme do nothing to undermine a positive development.  Come on people lets have some ACTION!

    Picket Fox August 28th!  Do not let Glenn Beck's attempt to steal the legacy of Martin Luther King go unanswered!

    Fox News is America's Radio Rwanda. Picket Fox 8/28/10

    by Adept2u on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:14:11 AM PDT

  •  Don't let them change the subject, (21+ / 0-)
    don't let them interrupt, don't let them get the last word.

    Way to go Joan Walsh.

    It is time to declare war on the corporations.

    by Mean Mr Mustard on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:32:37 AM PDT

  •  Always a breath of fresh air :) (15+ / 0-)

    to hear progressives give as good as they get.

    Thanks for the diary.

  •  She was absolutely incredible (17+ / 0-)

    Is it just me, or has the media really picked up the ball during the Breitbart scandal fallout???  This is simply fantastic!  The reportage hasn't been perfect, but it has exceeded my expectations this weekend.  It is utterly amazing to see this type of truth-telling in the traditional media.

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    by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:33:12 AM PDT

    •  asdf (4+ / 0-)

      Is it just me, or has the media really picked up the ball during the Breitbart scandal fallout???

      I think that it is just you.

      I don't think we have heard the end of the Breitbart/Premature firing based on a lie from known liars scandal yet.

      The Teabaggers are the GOP base

      by stevej on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:46:40 AM PDT

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      •  No, I have detected an improvement (10+ / 0-)

        and my interest in this story extends far beyond partisan politics and into my best interests as a person of color who sees the media routinely present shallow if not erroneous analysis pertaining to our thought patterns and actions.

        Have a nice day.

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        by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:52:00 AM PDT

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        •  They have no choice (4+ / 0-)
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          one of their own went way too far, and now the rest of them have to look like they're doing their jobs.

          I give them 10 news cycles--by then, they'll think we've all forgotten all about it, and they'll be back to their usual lies, half-truths, sins of omission, and propaganda.

          STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

          by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:13:50 AM PDT

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          •  We can choose to try to stay on top of (8+ / 0-)

            this story and try to get the truth out.  Obviously there are people willing to report the truth.  That deserves encouragement, acknowledgement, and kudos IMO.  The media does not generally do well with race matters.  If there's an even slight improvement, it's to be acknowledged.  

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            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:17:06 AM PDT

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            •  what's really (5+ / 0-)
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              a silver lining here (look, my mom always taught me to look for one, what can I say? ;P) is the fact that not only can we correctly call out the racism from "the right", we can also call out how much complete media bullshitting of the American people has been going on.

              A two-fer--nice to have it on our side for a change :)

              STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

              by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:20:28 AM PDT

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              •  If we stay focused and on top of it, (9+ / 0-)

                absolutely.  IMO the media was too willing to believe a "reverse racism" story in the first place.  Where is the empirical evidence that of those few blacks in positions of authority, there's any inclination to do anything save what Ms. Sherrod did: overcame feelings of resentment and chose to see human beings as human beings, hooking them up rather than screwing them over.  I'd love to see more of the media address this rather than present a meme about reverse racism without taking the time to examine whether facts rather than spin underlies this meme.

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                by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:23:31 AM PDT

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                •  I would too, but (1+ / 0-)
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                  as long as these businesses are allowed to lie outright with impunity, it'll be pretty damned hard to take them seriously.

                  STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                  by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:01:42 AM PDT

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                  •  Well, it looks as if this is indeed (2+ / 0-)
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                    serving as a wakeup call to the traditional media.

                    Although Greenwald places a negative spin on this, here's CNN openly discussing the hazards of listening to anonymous defamers, such as those who participated in Breitbart's defamation of Ms. Sherrod and the NAACP:

                    CNN's Kyra Phillips and John Roberts spent a good five minutes yesterday  expressing serious concern over what they called "the dark side" of the Internet:  the plague of "anonymous bloggers" who are "a bunch of cowards" for not putting their names on what they say, and who use this anonymity to spread "conspiracy," "lunacy," "extremism" and false accusations (video below).   The segment included excerpts from an interview with Andrew Keene, author of Cult of the Amateur:  How Today's Internet is Killing our Culture, who explained that the Real Media must serve as "gatekeepers" to safeguard the public against the dangers of anonymity on the Internet.  Roberts demanded that bloggers should "have the courage at the very least to put your name on it," while Phillips announced:  "something is going to have to be done legally. . . . these people have to be held accountable, they're a bunch of cowards."

                    http://www.dailykos.com/...

                    I don't know why this was spun as negative, as the original segment pertained to CNN anchors discussing what could have happened to Sherrod had the NAACP (by releasing the full tape) and CNN (by locating and interviewing the farmers helped, not hurt, by Sherrod) not stepped in and stopped the slur.  They are getting it.  They are really getting it in terms of just how malicious the online right can be, and how willing to carry along defamatory stories.

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                    by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:18:01 AM PDT

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                    •  because that's exactly what it deserves (0+ / 0-)

                      come on, take a long look at this sentence:

                      CNN's Kyra Phillips and John Roberts spent a good five minutes yesterday  expressing serious concern over what they called "the dark side" of the Internet:  the plague of "anonymous bloggers" who are "a bunch of cowards" for not putting their names on what they say, and who use this anonymity to spread "conspiracy," "lunacy," "extremism" and false accusations (video below).  

                      Putting aside that they spent a whole five minutes on their concern, do not be lulled into a false sense of complacency. They may "get it", but they don't want you to. Especially from bloggers:

                      "the dark side" of the Internet:  the plague of "anonymous bloggers" who are "a bunch of cowards"

                      This is Well-Poisoning 101. If you "don't get" their opinion ingrained into your sense of "getting The Real News" you'll turn them OFF and start (keep) listening to REAL bloggers, not fake contrived FOX-codependents like Sludge and Breitfart.

                      And if you turn them off, then you're one less person they can slap around with blatant propaganda, once they have your trust again. Don't fall for it.

                      STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                      by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:24:03 AM PDT

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                      •  This is cherry-picked (3+ / 0-)
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                        as per usual with him.  If you follow the link and look at the original segment in its entirety, the context was a discussion of right wing bloggers who enabled this sensationalist and false story, defaming a woman and organization, and the hazards of reporting their "facts" without research.  That is a positive development.  The anonymous discussion, with which I disagree, was not even the point; it was online defamation and the responsibility of the news media to not simply report nonsense such as the Breitbart fraud.

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                        by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:26:59 AM PDT

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                        •  it's big-picture review (0+ / 0-)

                          if there's "cherry-picking", it's to demonstrate exactly that: the big picture.

                          the responsibility of the news media (is) to not simply report nonsense

                          I'm not disagreeing with you overall, especially with that. It's just that GG's long-term bigger picture here--which we should all take into serious consideration--is the fact that there's still a great deal of well-poisoning going on, and CNN is doing their level best to help in that regard.

                          At the end of the day, a lot of people will come away from this thinking "online = bullshit". And that is hardly a positive development.

                          STOP the demonstrable liars who deliberately and with malice ABUSE the private company airwaves which used to belong to The People.

                          by o the umanity on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:36:04 AM PDT

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  •  Joan handled the repubs well (16+ / 0-)

    in this interview; it was her best appearance. She demonstrated a point I made in an earlier diary: Democratic and Progresssive spokespersons need to be prepared, assertive and relentless. They must be able to match the repubs with verbal aggression and never take the defensive position - always be on the offense.  I hope we see more of this from others.  It is very effective.

  •  Heh the O'Reilly non apology apology (9+ / 0-)

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    by LaFeminista on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:39:31 AM PDT

  •  I love Joan Walsh (12+ / 0-)

    She comes with facts and BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
    smacksdown the teabaggin wingnuts!

  •  So that putz's name is kurtz ? What an asshole (6+ / 0-)
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    shilling for another asshole.

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    A Presidency Among the Vuvuzelas.
    palin's ability to sound like a vuvuzela while twittering is remarkable.

    by amk for obama on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:43:58 AM PDT

  •  EJ Dionne joins in the smackdown fun (16+ / 0-)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    He smacksdown his own paper concerning the New Black Panther NON-scandal

    •  It's time for (7+ / 0-)

      Housecleaning

      Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

      by kid funkadelic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:08:50 AM PDT

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    •  E. J. Dionne hits the nail (5+ / 0-)
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      on the head with what is wrong in the media today. Faux News has become the bully on the block who has ultimately destroyed what little was left of real journalism in the media.  Joan Walsh kept pointing that out and yet Howard Kurtz was mired in "fair and balanced" even as she spoke.  This quote sums it up for me.

      the bludgeoning of mainstream journalism into looking timorously over its right shoulder and believing that "balance" demands taking seriously whatever sludge the far right is pumping into the political waters.

      The idea that "fair and balanced" can be applied to reporting of news is ludicrous.  News is not fair and balanced, it is factual, and yet nearly every media outlet has adopted the Faux News motto as their methodology for "reporting the news."

      Facts and reality cannot be balanced by lies and unreality.  The net effect of this "fair" to all sides and "balanced" of views being applied to factual news results in a "he said/he said" tit for tat in which the real facts get lost.  That is propaganda, not news.  

      •  SwiftBoat (2+ / 0-)
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        This all started with "SwiftBoaters for Truth", which, in terms of honesty in labeling, is right up there with The "Democratic People's Republic of Korea", in which every word bu "of" is a lie, and I'm not sure about that.

        The Right learned from Swiftboaters that the most outrageous lies could be bandied about and published, and they could get away with it. The media failed to call them on it (just like in the Dan Rather debacle), so ahead they went.

        This time, the real story was so compelling and obviously true and 180 degress from what Fox and Brietbart were claiming that it was painfully obvious that this was all spin, all the time.

        Swiftboating is also what taught the WH and USDA that no time can be lost, not milliseconds, in "taking action" so as not to be manipulated - but in doing so, they unwittingly let themselves be manipulated.

        But, the intent is important -Brietbart conciously tried to deceive and create an uproar, but USDA and the WH were just too trigger happy.

        Big Difference.

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        by blindcynic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:06:17 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the link BF! (2+ / 0-)
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      Great piece! E.J. hit the nail squarely on the head!

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      by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:56:20 PM PDT

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  •  One thing is clearly the case here... (7+ / 0-)

    ... and everyone is playing footsie with it. Those of us who have talked to conservatives over the years know how deep racism is embedded particularly in the South. We have to remember that the origins of the right since the '60s is in white, working class racism both in the south and in other parts of the country. Not that all whites in the south and in the working-class are or were racists but a sizable number were and are. And I don't mean conscious racism so much as unconscious ones. It will take some generations to eliminate those associations. We forget how deeply embedded race is in the American consciousness.

    I would add that many people who identify as black similarly have racist attitudes--but, in my experience, they have, as a community, been much milder and more forgiving than many in the white community believe.

    •  But how many generations? (6+ / 0-)

      My mother began working on black voting rights in 1962.  Soon 50 years will have passed - fifty!  I was in kindergarten and now I'm a grandmother.

      It feels like Moses just keeps circling back to the wilderness.  

      Sometimes it's better to individually address a problem rather than just criticize our politicians for failing to do so.

      by texasmom on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:27:44 AM PDT

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      •  It's working texasmom, it's just slow. (2+ / 0-)
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        Racism, sexism, ageism, they're all the kind of deeply seated cultural biases that take generations to completely erase. None will be completely gone in any one human's lifetime because there are individuals who will never be converted and must take their bit of the problem with them when they pass.

        I've seen the steady change since the 1960s and know it will be even better by the 2060s. I just won't be here to offer this gauge again.

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        by geez53 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:13:19 AM PDT

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  •  A week, it felt like the verge of a new dark age (5+ / 0-)
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    Today it feels like we're getting our game on. :)

  •  Good for her, but I still find Joan an (4+ / 0-)
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    insufferable presence who is very difficult to watch.  

    Whether it was her ludicrous and sanctimonious claims that Obama had to apologize for all and any sexism leveled against Hillary during the primaries (whether it came from his camp or elsewhere) or the fact that she's let Salon (in my opinion) go to pot from a once-excellent to a now completely-irrelevant publication - I just can't help myself in my dislike for her.  And I'll admit part of that is probably irrational, since I almost entirely agree with her on the issues.

    She performed well here and I'm glad she said what she said.

    I'm shocked to learn that 1 in 12 Americans do not know that the bird, is in fact, that word.

    by dansac on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:49:08 AM PDT

    •  She really was good here! (9+ / 0-)

      Perhaps this can represent a turning point and teachable moment about liberals sticking together rather than allowing ourselves to get spun into a tizzy and played by the right over and over and over and over again.  This is what it feels like to stick together and stand up to the real problem element.  She could have gone on there and parroted the ultra right wing canards about "weak" Dems and a supposedly problematic WH.  She didn't; she kept her focus and perspective.  She gets kudos and much, much, much appreciation for that from me, for what it's worth.  It's nice seeing a black woman defended like this.  Not to pick at scabs, but I was discussing this incident with someone here last week, and she thought that this could potentially be a "Sistah Souljah" moment.  I am so very gratified that this is not the case, and we see some progress, inch by inch, on these matters.

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      by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:06:39 AM PDT

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    •  Joan Walsh Hypocrisy (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't want to anything away from what Joan said here, because it was admirable.  But I can't help but be wary.  Walsh and Salon were pimping the Jeremiah Wright story as hard as anyone, and Joan's own selective quotations of Wright's controversial speech set off a firestorm on her own blog.

      I'm glad she is fighting on the side of the angels here, but I'm not going to forget how she behaved during the election and how she has transformed Salon.    

      •  Exactly my point - performing well on a show is (0+ / 0-)

        good, but it doesn't get to the deeper question of whether someone SHOULD be a progressive spokesperson.  What are their credentials beyond being able to talk well on a cable news show?

        At a deeper level, I don't find her to be particularly insightful, interesting, and her editorial performance has been miserable.

        I'm shocked to learn that 1 in 12 Americans do not know that the bird, is in fact, that word.

        by dansac on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:32:01 PM PDT

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  •  Wouldn't (2+ / 0-)
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    it be lovely to hear Sen. Reid standing up in that fashion? Sure is refreshing. Hopefully, this is just a precursor of what we'll be hearing from now on.

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    by RustyBrown on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:52:28 AM PDT

  •  Breitbard is a conservative activist = Racist (8+ / 0-)

    KURTZ: So, Matt Lewis, she says Breitbart wants to take us back to the times of slavery.

    Is that fair? And are the media giving her a pass now for using that kind of language?

    LEWIS: I think it's unfair. Look, I don't think it's right.

    I think that Andrew Breitbart is a conservative activist.

    Lewis just admitted that conservatives are inherently racist. Lewis gave Breitbart a pass on being racist because he is a conservative activist.

    Ignorance is only allowed by those who are not.

    by jreal on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:55:04 AM PDT

  •  Good (7+ / 0-)

    for Ms. Walsh and Dr. Dean.  I hope this starts to change the conversation.

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  •  The FOX bozo brigade keeps running the lies of (15+ / 0-)

    "FOX News didn't air it until AFTER Sherrod was fired. That's a lie.

    Well... FOX News did run with it and then pulled it... hoping that no "wayback machine or anyone had caught it." Tough luck, it was captured. Then FOX Nation ran with it and it was plastered all over FOX broadcasting. They don't get to dance out of this over the degree of separation here in the FOX networking.

    Media Matters has the timeline.

    Fox News amplifies Breitbart's deceptively edited video. On July 19, FoxNews.com reported: "Days after the NAACP clashed with Tea Party members over allegations of racism, a video has surfaced showing an Agriculture Department official regaling an NAACP audience with a story about how she withheld help to a white farmer facing bankruptcy." The FoxNews.com article further reported that "[t]he video clip was first posted by BigGovernment.com" and that "FoxNews.com is seeking a response from both the NAACP and the USDA." The article is no longer available on FoxNews.com but was republished on another website...

    1:40 p.m. (approximately): Fox Nation accuses Sherrod of discrimination caught on tape before she resigned. Fox Nation linked to Breitbart's Big Government piece and posted the deceptively cropped clips of Sherrod's speech at the NAACP in a post titled, Caught on Tape: Obama Official Discriminates Against White Farmer:

    Secondly, O'Reilly's apology was limp and he didn't admit anything of substance... just said he had "acted too quickly." He merely said he didn't present the story in its "proper context" (meaning he needed to twist it in another negative way... which he eventually did).

    And Kurtz sucks eggs. What a wanker for equivocating.

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    by bronte17 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:17:01 AM PDT

    •  Howard Dean should have known (3+ / 0-)
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      To have his iPhone set on Media Matters. He got Punk'd big time, but he still handled himself well.

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      by kid funkadelic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:20:36 AM PDT

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    •  They are still going with the "audience reaction" (7+ / 0-)

      crap as well. As an older white guy born in the deep south what I heard, and there seems to be some doubt whether that was not itself doctored, was knowing chuckling. Sort of the kind I might do when hearing a story about a particularly embarrassing fart at a dinner table and remembering one of mine.

      These lie merchants, as most liars, will shift focus quicker than the eye can blink to avoid exposure. Yet the MSM repeatedly lets them get away with that. Dionne put it well this morning:

      The mainstream media and the Obama administration must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its propaganda to be accepted as news by convincing traditional journalists that "fairness" requires treating extremist rants as "one side of the story." And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama and against progressives in this year's election.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:31:52 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah. (2+ / 0-)
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        You think in a roomfull of NAACP activists and donors there might be a few people who ruefully recall times when they had the same kind of thoughts that Sherrod was recounting? Of course.

        You think that makes the NAACP a racist organization? Hell no. It means they're human and recognize their faults.

        •  If I recall the most rueful chuckling was at the (1+ / 0-)
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          point where the farmer was described as trying to act superior while requesting help.

          The first thing that flashed through my mind was a childhood memory of being puzzled when a white guy with a flat tire rudely yelled something like "Hey! Boy! Get over here and help fix this tire." That was long, long ago down deep in the "Black Belt" and was an attitude as common as chiggers. I'd bet everybody in that audience my age, and considerably younger, had flashbacks too.

          The malicious asses doing this to further their agenda do the big lie, the twisted story, when caught twist and twirl with ever evolving versions and would turn a failed life saving attempt into murder. They will keep at it until enough of the target audience wakes up and realizes they are being played like violins as fools and tools. Then as was said, a fool is born every second so it won't stop entirely.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 06:21:16 PM PDT

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  •  Yeah Joan Walsh - that was so great! (10+ / 0-)

    More of that - correctly calling out Fox News because they spread vile bigotry and worse.

    More of Shirley Sherrod too - she has a great story to tell, a truly inspirational story - and She is someone I would be honored to know.

    And the Spooner family - from Eloise Spooner:

       "Our son came up here and said mother turn on the TV at CNN, your friend Shirley is on and we did and we listened and we knew instantly that it was us they were talking about.

       So we listened and me and Roger looked at each other and we said to each other that she helped us when we really needed help and we were gonna try to help her."

    Really wonderful people in this true story.

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    by PAbluestater on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:20:38 AM PDT

  •  thank you for this diary, doing its part to (8+ / 0-)

    restore the real blame where it belongs--with the slimy racist provocateurs that keep getting away with this crap.

    The administration was at fault for buying their tainted goods without checking, but these unrepentant slimeballs are the real culprits.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:21:11 AM PDT

    •  You're welcome. It's about all I can do.. (5+ / 0-)

       
      As I'm in the UK and in no way well-to-do :P

      Though tbh I'm trying to save to get to NR2011! I doubt it'll happen, but we can all dream and it would be nice to visit my come country. 16 years is a very long time and I miss (not all of) it so.

       

      I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

      by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:38:44 AM PDT

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  •  Republicans Will Keep Andrew Breitbart On Their (8+ / 0-)

    payroll in some capacity -- he's a loyal racist asshole doing good things for the bigots and assholes in the Republican Party.

    I hope Shirley Sherrod can put a major crimp in shitheaded racist asshole Breitbart's lifestyle for defaming and slandering her.  That would be a start toward justice.

    And the racist lies of Fox Noise about Shirley Sherrod won't affect any Fox Noise fans -- they aren't phased by mundane things like facts or TRUTH.

    •  If they're smart they'll drop him like a (1+ / 0-)
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      hot potato, which means they'll probably keep him around!

       Yes, Shirley Sherrod should sue his ass, and sue it good!
       BTW, (not very) Breitbart's crony on this show totally gave him away by saying that Breitbart knew the context of her remarks before he posted the edited tape.
       Really? But didn't he also say he got the tape already edited this way?

       Breitbart?

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      by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:05:34 PM PDT

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  •  Lying Racist Hoaxer (10+ / 0-)

    I think EVERY mention of Breitbart should be prefaced this way.
    ie. Lying racist hoaxer Andrew Breitbart was today spotted on the way to his mistresses house ...
    or
    Lying Racist hoaxer Andrew Breitbart was served with a summons to court ....

  •  i dont' get why it's so fun (0+ / 0-)

    to beat up on fox in our little echo chamber here. shouldn't we be focusing on things that matter... like our message to the masses for 2010.

    Seriously you guys give to much power to those guys.

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    by SetaSan on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:25:41 AM PDT

  •  Shirley Sherrod's Epiphany Was Cheapened by (9+ / 0-)

    that racist piece of shit Republican Andrew Breitbart and Fox Noise.

    It's a socio-economic class war that keeps certain people poor, not necessarily racism.  

    Too bad that poor white trash (programmable conservative idiots) don't get it because they enable the racist assholes in the Republican Party to get elected who work hard to keep them poor, misinformed, and stupid.

  •  Jane Hall used to work for Fox News (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm surprised she didn't offer a little more insight.

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    by jhecht on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:31:47 AM PDT

  •  I believe Breitbart said in one of his interviews (4+ / 0-)
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    that he was sent the footage in March.  If this is the case he didn't try to track down the complete footage in four months? And why did he sit on it?  Because maybe he knew it was bunk and did have the whole footage, but decided to run with it because the NAACP rightly called the Tea Party racists.  

    Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

    by Jonze on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:34:59 AM PDT

  •  Breitbart couldn't argue the (8+ / 0-)

    NAACP's points about the tea party on the merits, and so he sought to create a false picture of the NAACP by doctoring a video to make the NAACP look bad.

    In the process, he got just the opposite. Because unlike Breitbart who was trying to inflame the conversation, Sherrod was trying to reach for racial harmony. And still he distorted the truth about that.

    Anyone who tells me that this guy did not have the entire video and could not have intentionally doctored it, can come back to Liberia with me. I have a prime piece of land filled with oil, diamond, gold, tin, copper and every other precious natrual resource all in one spot to sell you. Simply put, I don't believe that he did not have the whole video.

    What ticks me off to the ninth end is that, in addition to Breitbart, Fox and all the others in the so-called liberal media who jumped on this story without checking it out, are trying to make villians out of the Administration and the NAACP. You will notice that both groups in the latter category have admitted their wrong, and apologized.

    From the other progagandists -- crickets!

    So, instead of painting this as a broad picture, I'd like to see Mr. Kurtz or someone else who claim to believe in the truth separate the discussion into two parts -- talk about the administration and NAACP's role separately, and have a genuine discussion about the people in the news media who took this story at face value.

    I guess I will be holding my breath for a long time before that happens, especially as it relates to the media critically looking inward.

    •  Right wing and MSM media is giving him a pass (3+ / 0-)
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      that he does not deserve.  They assume he received this video already doctored...let him prove it!  I say HE spliced and diced this video and told Faux Noise.  This crap makes me sick to my stomach.  I am glad Ms Sherrod said Faux noise is racist and so is that piece of crap Breitbart.  

      •  Breitbart needs to be (0+ / 0-)

        Sued and arrested on the Acorn thing alone

        Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

        by kid funkadelic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:31:00 AM PDT

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      •  You are being (1+ / 0-)
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        too generous to the MSM. Doesn't matter if he received video doctored or not - he should have proactively sought context.

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        by stevej on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:19:50 AM PDT

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      •  The guy DEFENDING Breitbart on this panel, (1+ / 0-)
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        Matt Lewis stated that Breitbart knew the context of Shirley Sherrod's comments before releasing the doctored tape!

         How can that be when he claims to have received it this way? If he didn't do the "editing" personally, he had to at least have seen the real thing for him to have understood the proper context!

         He's caught in a BIG lie here!

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:15:54 PM PDT

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        •  Bingo! But you'll never get that story.. (1+ / 0-)
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          It has no legs. Not like 'OBAMA FIRES BLACK WOMAN!!!!!1113'..

          Now THAT'S a story!

           

          I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

          by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:23:19 PM PDT

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  •  why are the blogs wasting time parsing (3+ / 0-)
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    yesterday news that is fit only to wrap fish and chips in. Who cares who slaps who down on cable news which vanishes like a snowflake on scorching sidewalk in July the moment it goes into the ether.

    If you want to talk about the Shirley Sherrod flame war then talk intelligently about the back story. The long, centuries, since the Civil War history of discrimination against black farmers and small holders and poor white farmers as well. Talk about the legislation FDR tried to put into place in the Great depression, talk about the decades of discrimination by the government under the USDA, talk about the Pigford lawsuit, talk about what the Obama administration is trying to do, at the USDA under Vilsack, and through the DoJ under Holder, tell the people the FULL STORY of inequality in rural America, in Native America.

    By focusing incessantly on FOX and CNN all the blogs are doing is parroting the cable crap.

    We have to do better to inform the ill-informed electorate and change the knowledge of the public. Its stupid and incestuous and futile.

    People act as though this in an instant re-play of a college football game re-payed at a frat party or in the beer hall.

    •  Yep, I tried explaining that to a friend...that (2+ / 0-)
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      there is more to this story than Obama Admin firing and the fake video firestorm.  We all know Faux noise is racist and everyone that goes on their show who hates this Administration.  But Shirley's story goes much deeper and Faux almost went there but stopped because more racism would come out about her lawsuit against the USDA and the Farmers and the Rethugs preventing to fund the settlement of the black farmers and the continued racism in the south.  Where is the white person who refused to give black farmers loans compared to white farmers.  This whole story is a huge disgrace.

  •  Joan Walsh... (3+ / 0-)
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    is heroic!  She should be hired by the White House immediately!

    Excellence does not require perfection.

    by rufusthedog on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 07:58:08 AM PDT

  •  My hero, Joan Walsh! (6+ / 0-)

    Try out Salon.com, one of the first online magazines.

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    by mrobinson on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:01:30 AM PDT

  •  wow oh wow oh wow.... (3+ / 0-)
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    what she said was the truth!!!

  •  Fox News's 50-state Southern strategy (4+ / 0-)

    By Editor Joan Walsh

    The network hypes one "scary black people" and "Obama's a racist" story after another. What's its problem?

    CLEAR Act would sell carbon shares to fuel producers and would return 75 percent of the resulting revenue in $1,100 checks to every American.

    by mrobinson on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:05:27 AM PDT

  •  I'm love wih Joan. (1+ / 0-)
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    She's got balls like Hillary.

  •  Sherrod lived during (or at the very least (6+ / 0-)

    with fresh memories in the culture) of a reign terror in the south - the a$$holes on the right are clueless about what this is all about - reverse racism? I haven't seen white people hanging from trees or their churches bombed in this country - how the F is Brietbardt's delusional thinking seeping into mainstream as reasonable debate!?

  •  FOX hyped the story before she was fired (4+ / 0-)

    then lied about it.
    Joan Walsh:

    FoxNews.com actually bragged about having already hyped the story in a follow-up, after Sherrod was forced to quit. "The Agriculture Department announced Monday, shortly after FoxNews.com published its initial report on the video, that Sherrod had resigned." Likewise, Bill O'Reilly taped his performance, calling for Sherrod to resign, before she did so;

    Right Pundits.com
    http://www.rightpundits.com/...

    Appearing Sunday on “Fox News Sunday”, former Vermont governor and DNC chairman, Howard Dean blasted the right-leaning network as being “absolutely racist”. Dean told host Chris Wallace that Fox News jumped on the “racism bandwagon” in events surrounding the forced resignation of USDA employee, Shirley Sherrod. Wallace pointed out that the network did not even air the story until AFTER she resigned. But Dean is too partisan and dense to comprehend.

    CLEAR Act would sell carbon shares to fuel producers and would return 75 percent of the resulting revenue in $1,100 checks to every American.

    by mrobinson on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:13:35 AM PDT

  •  Love Joan Walsh for her strength, courage and (2+ / 0-)
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    honesty. Wow. Wish there were lots more like her on the tube!

  •  Wow Joan Walsh was fantastic. (6+ / 0-)
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    Who was that idiot conservative guy?  He was smirking so much because he knew that there was no way he could clean this up and he wasn't allowed to go down that road to bash the Administration.  What a punk.

    You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

    by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:36:13 AM PDT

  •  Politics of personal destruction (4+ / 0-)
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    Lewis says to Walsh, "...you're at Netroots Nation..." as if to negate her opinion as a fringe, left winger. He can't argue the comment so he attacks the commenter and reinforces the insulting attack on liberal and netroots beliefs and Netroots Nation specifically. Lewis tries to malign Walsh and instead loses the argument and shows himself to be incompetent and hateful.

    Moral to the story: liberal, conservative, politics, business, personal - when a speaker picks the low road it reflects on the speaker, it's seen by others as clear as day and seen as the speaker so low as to be in gutter.

    •  But did you catch it when she said, "I'm not (2+ / 0-)
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      at Netroots Nation, I'm in San Francisco," he got sarcastic about that too?

       Real Murcans don't live in San Francisco!

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      by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:26:23 PM PDT

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      •  Ha. No, I missed his reply. Flailing, eh? (0+ / 0-)

        I was glad Ms. Walsh didn't let it pass as he probably hoped and quickly followed up her answer and challenged the loaded tone of his question. She's gained so much from her exposure in the media and has developed into being quite strong. She's an insightful, reliable, authentic progressive voice.

  •  On a sort of related note (1+ / 0-)
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    America's favorite racist is running for governor of colorado!

    •  Yes ! (0+ / 0-)

      And we on the left couldn't be happier. The whole GOP effort in Colorado has turned up three cantidates for the GOP primary : former Rep and lobbyist-on-the-take Scott Mcinniss (admitted plagerer and beneficary of wingnut welfare), Dan Maes, who's making a living on vehicle mileage reimbursements and incorrect campaign funds use and has no clue about governing, and Tom "Let's bomb Mecca" Tancredo. It's hilarious, even the Conservative Denver Post basically says "you guys must be crazy".

      John "Brewpub" Hickenlooper (D), Mayor of Denver, is just about ready to measure the drapes at the governor's mansion. All he has to do is smile and say nothing, and he'll look like a genius by comparison. (and he is a good guy and smart).

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      by blindcynic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:23:06 PM PDT

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  •  Sherrod shouldn't go back to USDA. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sherrod's message of transformation has STILL not gotten through the miasma of the media smokescreen.

    But Joan Walsh isn't deceived:

    WALSH: ...the issue in this country ...
    ...
    WALSH: ...is class as much as race....

    "KURTZ: ...it's certainly debatable...?" Another precious "You lie!' moment, Howie!

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    by ezdidit on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:43:35 AM PDT

    •  Unless the President makes a little speech (3+ / 0-)
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      about HER real message.

      If you truly want to be 'post-racial,' you have to hunker down deep, Mr.President, and you have to tell the political truth about racial divisions and the Southern Strategy that the wealthy and Republicans are sowing in this country.

      TAX THE RICH! They have money! I'm a Democrat. That's why!

      by ezdidit on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 08:57:57 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, let's do that (3+ / 0-)
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        Let's have POTUS turn this election into a referendum on white resentment of "reverse racism."

        Not.

        At some point, responsibility for moving the conversation forward as pertaining to race matters lies with all of us, and not merely one president who is not only charged with a great deal of responsibilities but who also is handicapped by a media which sometimes does not discuss these issues with complexity.

        Really, the WH does not have to be the center of every single story.  Poor reportage regarding people of color predated President Obama, and it might outlast him.  Thank God that there's some movement here in terms of the traditional media willing to take a step back and look at how they got played by the right, and take steps to repair Ms. Sherrod's reputation as well as rethink their reportage of memes emerging from the right.  If only some members of the blogging media would choose to do the same.

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        by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:24:46 AM PDT

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        •  Few speak the truth about Shirley Sherrod's (3+ / 0-)
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          transformation. Merely decrying racism still drowns it out.

          Fewer still have taken the time to feature her inspiring message.

          Bob Herbert said it well:

            ...The point that Ms. Sherrod was making as she talked in her speech about the white farmer who had come to her for help was that we are all being sold a tragic bill of goods by the powerful forces that insist on pitting blacks, whites and other ethnic groups against one another.

             Ms. Sherrod came to the realization, as she witnessed the plight of poverty-stricken white farmers in the South more than two decades ago, that the essential issue in this country "is really about those who have versus those who don’t."

             She explained how the wealthier classes have benefited from whites and blacks constantly being at each other’s throats, and how rampant racism has insidiously kept so many struggling whites from recognizing those many things they and their families have in common with economically struggling blacks, Hispanics and so on.

          TAX THE RICH! They have money! I'm a Democrat. That's why!

          by ezdidit on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:13:57 AM PDT

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          •  She and you are so right to note (4+ / 0-)
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            that racism is part and parcel of a divide and conquer strategy.  My only point of disagreement is with the appropriateness or lack thereof of demanding that this WH put itself front and center into it.  If the media continues to progress and continues to show a willingness to examine these matters in a sophisticated manner, then I'll join your calls.  But right now, there isn't a demonstration that these matters can be discussed with nuance and a textured discussion of race relations; that's my caution.

            climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

            by GN1927 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:25:40 AM PDT

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    •  It's debatable Howie? (0+ / 0-)

      Okay then, let's debate it!

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:27:19 PM PDT

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  •  I woke up, the sun was shining, (2+ / 0-)
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    the hummers were feeding from their feeders, I had a good cup of coffee, and I settled down to watching this segment (which I never do) and all my calm ended in screaming "YAY" for Joan, and "FU" to Walsh... especially when he said:

    LEWIS: I think it's unfair. Look, I don't think it's right.

    I think that Andrew Breitbart is a conservative activist. I think he cares very deeply about liberal bias in the media and about attempts to portray -- we're going to talk later, but we know that there are attempts for liberals in journalism to portray conservatives as racists.

    I'm so glad you posted this.  Joan was a force to behold.  LOL!

  •  Where are the African American commentators? (1+ / 0-)
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    I love this talk about race and there is no minority on the panel?  I guess having an all white panel gives it more credibility, because many would say that an African American would be complaining.  Fox would have a field day if President Obama called them racist.  I could see it now, they would edit it to show only that  part and probably included a few poor whites.  This would play right into their plan and give them more credibility with the Tea Party.

    •  Black and Brown people are incapable of being (0+ / 0-)

      objective about the subject of race dontcha know?

      "Preservation of one's own culture does not require contempt or disrespect for other cultures" - Cesar Chavez

      by We Want Change on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:02:22 AM PDT

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    •  They had a related discussion (3+ / 0-)
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      Later in the show

      Coming up in the second half of RELIABLE SOURCES, minorities in the media. Why are all the network evening anchors and the Sunday morning hosts and the primetime cable news hosts white journalists?

      KURTZ: Something really striking happened when I tried to book the segment you're about to see about minorities and the media.

      I talked to several very prominent African-American journalists who said they would love to come on the program but the subject was just too sensitive to discuss publicly, or their bosses did not want them speaking out in public.

      Look at the people who have gotten the latest primetime hosting jobs in cable news: Lawrence O'Donnell at MSNBC; Eliot Spitzer and Kathleen Parker at CNN. They join people like Sean and Bill and Keith and Rachel and Anderson. They join the Sunday show hosts and the evening news anchors and the principal network morning hosts. Not an African-American face among them except for GMA's Robin Roberts.

      There are, of course, some successful black journalists in television -- Lester Holt, Gwen Ifill, Al Roker, Byron Pitts -- but most of the folks aren't in front line jobs.

      Joining us now to talk about why this is and whether it might change, in Boston, Carole Simpson, a correspondent and anchor for ABC News for 24 years; in Tampa, Eric Deggans, television and media critic for "The St. Petersburg Times"; and in New York, Amy Holmes, the co- host of "America's Morning News."

      http://transcripts.cnn.com/...

      "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

      by Catte Nappe on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:00:39 AM PDT

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  •  Kurtz (5+ / 0-)

    Walsh: She gets to say that because it's true, and because from her vantage point it's especially true.

    Kurtz: Well, in fairness, it's certainly debatable.

    Well Howie, in fairness, it's certainly debatable if you're actually a journalist. But I wouldn't take that argument on the pro side.

    •  Kurtz is a disgraceful asscrank. (2+ / 0-)
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      .
       In his way, as bad as Breitbart.  Right there with Anderson Cooper and his "God of Balance."

      .

      "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

      by BenGoshi on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:48:38 AM PDT

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    •  "Debatable" As In Not Determining If It's True (0+ / 0-)

      because that would take away from the he said/she said bullshit that fills the 24 hour news cycle

    •  MSM Definition of "Debatable" (2+ / 0-)
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      Kurtz: Well, in fairness, it's certainly debatable.

      Shorter Kurtz:

      "You see, it's debatable whether or not Brietbart is a racist because we have yet to witness him screaming the N-Word at a crippled black veteran while hitting him over the head with a watermelon, and until that happens it's really unfair to call someone...or ANYONE, for that matter...a racist."

      Whether it's "24" or "The American President", they're make believe. NOT reality! Yes, I'm looking at you...

      by Darnell From LA on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:28:47 PM PDT

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      •  I say if it's debatable that Breibart (0+ / 0-)

        and FOX "News" are racist, fine.

         Let's debate it!

          I'll start: FOX's poster-boy is Glenn (Obama hates White People) Beck!

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:31:40 PM PDT

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  •  E.J. Dionne' Enuff already'!! (3+ / 0-)
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    call out the faux propaganda.

  •  The Contempt is Refreshing (5+ / 0-)
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    It was refreshing, to me, to see that Walsh seemed to actually have contempt for Lewis. On these cable news "debates", you don't often see one of the debaters become angry like Walsh did--that shows real sincerity. Most of these pundit-types are usually chummy with each other when the cameras are off. That's proof that public policy is just a game to them.

    This deal is getting worse all the time!---Lando Calrissian (D-Cloud City)

    by Aspe4 on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:38:32 AM PDT

  •  EJ Dionne of the Wash Post is Dead on About... (8+ / 0-)

    This:

    And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama and against progressives in this year's election.

    This is what progressive need to pick up on... and exploit.

    You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

    by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:41:16 AM PDT

    •  Progressives... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...Need to stand up and get as emotionally engaged as the right wingers.

      But instead of becoming angry as a result of lies, hatred, intolerance, and bigotry, we need to become angry for the right reasons.

      Angry because bigots are being given a platform in our society to spew racism.

      Angry because xenophobes harass American Muslims for exercising their 1st amendment rights to worship as they see fit.

      Angry because Republicans want to see a Democratic President fail even if it means hurting millions of Americans.

      The fact that there is an "intensity gap" between conservatives and liberals is actually very sad, and doesn't reflect well on liberals and progressives whatsoever.

      Whether it's "24" or "The American President", they're make believe. NOT reality! Yes, I'm looking at you...

      by Darnell From LA on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:23:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Another good EJ Dionne point... (7+ / 0-)

    Yet the Obama team was reacting to a reality: the bludgeoning of mainstream journalism into looking timorously over its right shoulder and believing that "balance" demands taking seriously whatever sludge the far right is pumping into the political waters.

    This guy is dead on right today.

    You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

    by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:44:07 AM PDT

  •  And hits just keep on coming... (6+ / 0-)
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    The traditional media are so petrified of being called "liberal" that they are prepared to allow the Breitbarts of the world to become their assignment editors. Mainstream journalists regularly criticize themselves for not jumping fast enough or high enough when the Fox crowd demands coverage of one of their attack lines.

    You're issuing a challenge to their sanity by saying that their interpretation of reality is flat wrong. ---Killjoy 7/24/10

    by smoothnmellow on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:45:56 AM PDT

    •  Let's be clear, for a change. (2+ / 0-)
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      People like Andrew Brietbart and the Tea Party Express's Mark Williams are RACISTS.

      Meaning, as a rule they dislike dark skinned races. They look down on black people, for instance.

      They believe black people are not only inferior to white people, but are generally a bad influence on society.  

      They can't say these things in public of course, because to do so would insure their expulsion from polite society. But make no mistake; in private, among like minded friends, these are their true feelings.

      Unless you believe "racists" ceased to exist on 1/20/09. i.e. magical thinking.

      Whether it's "24" or "The American President", they're make believe. NOT reality! Yes, I'm looking at you...

      by Darnell From LA on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:13:13 PM PDT

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  •  I love Joan Walsh! (2+ / 0-)
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    "Preservation of one's own culture does not require contempt or disrespect for other cultures" - Cesar Chavez

    by We Want Change on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 09:56:37 AM PDT

  •  "Lynch Mob" Should Be Used To Describe GOP (0+ / 0-)

    It sums up the false accusation-racism-blood sport dynamic

  •  Is it true stock ownrs FNC: foreign billionaires? (1+ / 0-)
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    Keith Olbermann said that besides Murdoch, Australian billionaire, the other major one is a Saudi billionaire....If this is true, it explains their biases

    Reactive accusation is verbal Abuse

    by dosaybe on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 10:36:57 AM PDT

  •  Please forgive the poor consrevative (3+ / 0-)
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    For he knows not what he does. That seems to be the excuse that Lewis is trotting out here. With conservatives, it's alsways a pendulum swing between ignorance and evil. And Lewis is pleading with us to convince us that Saint Breitbart is just ignorant. He doesn't mean any harm!

  •  I don't think Breitbart and FOX are racist. (1+ / 0-)
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    I just think they're vile opportunists who will use any method they can to get what they want.

    These people are brilliant at propaganda. If they can whip a stupid move on the part of Clinton into a sex scandal worthy of impeachment, they will.

    If they can twist a grim necessity of war into the charge that Kerry shoots little kids in the back, they will.

    If they can take a Kenyan father and blow that into an accusation that a native-born American is a foreigner, they will.

    If they can use doctored tapes and confusion about how registering voters work to destroy ACORN, they will.  

    And I think they would have destroyed Acorn if every person working with ACORN and every person being registered by ACORN had been fish-belly white, simply because ACORN reached out to the poor and disenfranchised....which is not THEIR voter base.

    They aren't racist. But they will appeal to racists, they will whip up the fear of "brown" and "black" people if it gets them what they want: money and political power. Just as they will use any other method available.

    This isn't a matter of "principle" for them....it's just a matter of doing what works. Which is even more vile.  

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:08:13 AM PDT

    •  They ARE racist. (4+ / 0-)
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      They do racist things.  They promote a racist agenda.  Ergo, they are racist.

      You don't have to get into motive.  The actions speak for themselves.

      It's better on top.

      by PeakRaider on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:34:54 AM PDT

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    •  For fuck's sake.. (4+ / 0-)
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      Racism didn't magically disappear on January 20th, 2009 when Obama took the oath of office.

      Believe it or not, there are STILL Americans who hate black people.

      Jesus. It's all part of the same magical thinking;

      Obama being elected means racism no longer exists.

      President Obama needs to be FDR, LBJ, and JFK all rolled into one and on steroids, otherwise he's "a disappointment."

      God, I hate magical thinking.

      Makes me wanna find a rainbow colored Unicorn and strangle him with my bare hands. Fuckin' ponies. Damn Unicorns. Arrrghh..

      Whether it's "24" or "The American President", they're make believe. NOT reality! Yes, I'm looking at you...

      by Darnell From LA on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:05:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm talking about Breitbart and the puppetmasters (0+ / 0-)

        Not about the rank and file.

        And I still don't think they're racist. I think they're fine with black people, Asian people, Hispanic people...as long as those people are rich and powerful.

        One thing I've said again and again is that these people feel no particular allegiance to their fellow Americans (though they use appeals to patriotism as they use every other tool in their arsenal) as much as they feel allegiance to the world-wide fellowship of the rich and powerful.

        Who do you think Tony Hayward would feel more comfortable hanging with? A pure white resident of London's East End? Or a brown multi-billionaire Dubai oil sheik or the black dictator of a diamond-rich African country or an Asian stock manipulator?

        Money and power. That defines "our kind of people" for Breitbart and his masters...not the color of one's skin.

        Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

        by Sirenus on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40:26 PM PDT

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  •  WOW, WHAT A SMACK DOWN. SURE THEY ARE SHAKING (0+ / 0-)

    IN THEIR BOOTS.

    people sure overreact alot it seems.

    as far as joan walsh goes, i would imagine she gets paid a little something to 'represent' the left.

    just another pundit.

    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." ~ Mark Twain

    by VoiceFromIowa on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:17:08 AM PDT

  •  All we need to do, as a nation, is stand up and (5+ / 0-)

    throw off the chains of misinformation and race baiting promoted 24/7 by Radio Rwanda Fox "News" by simply dismissing whatever comes out of their racist, vile, lying mouths every single day.

    BIG STORY ON FOX???  Big f'ng LIE.  Period.  And it's on Fox to PROVE THAT IT'S TRUE.  Nobody should believe ONE F'NG WORD THAT'S UTTERED on that dispicable cable network.  NOT.  ONE.  Unless and until it can be independently VERIFIED as fact.  Snopes 'em and throw 'em to the curb.

    It's Big Oil's Disaster, no matter how much the opposition wishes it was Obama's.

    by Little Lulu on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:27:58 AM PDT

  •  Joan, yes, dean, eh not so much. (0+ / 0-)

    "Love the life you live. Live the life you love."- Bob Marley

    by sillycilla on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:31:00 AM PDT

  •  To paraphrase Forrest Gump, (2+ / 0-)
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    racism is as racism does.

  •  Liberal bias = bias for facts and truth (4+ / 0-)
    •  Liberal bias = not spouting Republican TP's (2+ / 0-)
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      If you're not singing their tune then you must have an agenda. No, seriously! I've heard them say exactly that!

      They're fucked in the head, no news there..

       

      I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

      by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:35:28 PM PDT

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  •  Cheryl Cook, Deputy Under Secretary, USDA (5+ / 0-)

    Cheryl Cook, the Deputy Under Secretary for the Rural Development mission area of USDA who played a prominent role in the forced resignation of Shirley Sherrod, is not the number 2 official in the Department. The Kurtz comments above are not correct on this point.

    The number 2 official at USDA is Deputy Secretary Kathleen Merrigan.  Merrigan, as far as I know, played neither a public nor a prominent role in the video fiasco.  

    Cheryl Cook is much further down in the food chain at USDA.  

    •  Still waiting for Cook to be interviewed (2+ / 0-)
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      She has a lot to answer for in her personal role in this fiasco and to bridge the discrepancy in accounts of the events.  If she answers honestly it should be clear in short order.

      Note to Democratic leadership: I'm all out of carrots, but I still have my stick.

      by Celtic Pugilist on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:54:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  God, she's always great.... (8+ / 0-)

    But have you noticed we can no longer say ANYONE is racist? Unless you have a Swastika on your forehead you CAN'T be called a racist, no matter what.  

    We need to start calling Fox and the Right Wing racist, and to hell with their 'fee fees'.

    And while we're at it, we should have the Democrats backs when the chips are down. (for a change)

    Whether it's "24" or "The American President", they're make believe. NOT reality! Yes, I'm looking at you...

    by Darnell From LA on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 11:55:36 AM PDT

    •  Yes I noticed that too (6+ / 0-)

      But have you noticed we can no longer say ANYONE is racist? Unless you have a Swastika on your forehead you CAN'T be called a racist, no matter what.

      You can't call anyone a racist and you can't refer to Bush's 8 years of incompetence. At least that's what FOX and Breitbart want. But we're not going to let them get what they want.

      They don't get to set the terms of the debate when the future of our country is at stake. They don't get to rewrite history and make the tea party tolerant and the NAACP racist.

      •  Are arrows are finding their target. (2+ / 0-)
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        That we are talking about this...on Fox no less...is proof that it still stings to be accused of racism.  Besides, they know deep down in their little black hearts that they cannot win the big one without minority votes.  

        Fake News has us all confused!

        by Fury on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:24:22 PM PDT

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      •  Oh Yes They Do... (3+ / 0-)
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        They will get to rewrite history if Dems / Libs / Progs / Whatevers sit back, sulk, and let the lunitics take over the asylum this November.

        Then, yes, they will get to rewrite history.

        How do you think they got to blame 9/11 on Clinton?

        Whether it's "24" or "The American President", they're make believe. NOT reality! Yes, I'm looking at you...

        by Darnell From LA on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:33:20 PM PDT

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  •  Breitbart doesn't really care about politics (4+ / 0-)
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    Politics is not the most important way to influence our country, and reinforce conservatism's relevancy in the current global disorder. Media is.

    Andrew Breitbart

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/...

    Joan Walsh understands that the real story is how the mainstream media allows the agenda of Breitbart and FOX to dominate the news:

    Did the right-wing propaganda arm run with the Sherrod story before or after her resignation/firing from her post at the USDA? I'm not entirely sure why that matters: What matters is she was slandered by two alleged news organizations, who didn't bother to try to get to the truth about her inspiring message of racial reconciliation to the NAACP. But I also want to state for the record: Fox ran with the story before Sherrod was fired. It was on FoxNews.com during the day on Monday, July 19; it's gone now, so I can't check the exact time it was posted.

    http://www.salon.com/...

  •  Beautiful, Joan, (2+ / 0-)
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    thank you for everything you do to make these crazies look ridiculous.  You're a hero!

    Fake News has us all confused!

    by Fury on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 12:21:42 PM PDT

  •  When all you have is a hammer... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...every problem starts to look like a nail.

  •  Gotta love the part... (1+ / 0-)
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    where the rightwing guy continues trying to make the victim of racism out as a "reverse racist".

    Moral: black folks who complain about white folks being racist will continue be labeled "reverse racist".

    It's a wonderful game we play.

    lmao

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:00:30 PM PDT

  •  Is this timeline (re: Fox) right? Or are (3+ / 0-)
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    they just splitting hairs by saying Fox did not "air the video" until after Sherrod was fired?  I don't watch Fox, but it certainly seems like they covered this story well in advance of her firing.  What's the truth here?

    •  according to the video..... (4+ / 0-)
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      ....O'Reily taped a call for her resignation at 5:00 but it did not air till 8:00, she was fired in-between.

      Regardless of the time line, this was all part of the right wing's effort to at the same time assert there are racist black people (Glen Beck calling Obama racist is only one example).

      They do not want to address the racism in their own party, they want to deflect and destroy the administration. Period.

      •  Apparently, Media Matters has worked out a time- (1+ / 0-)
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        line.  There is another diary about it here.  Seems that the Fox website mentioned her and posted a link to the video earlier than their on-air buddies.  

        As for O'Reilly, claiming that his diatribe doesn't count because it wasn't aired until later is like committing a crime but claiming to be innocent because you weren't caught.

        As I posted in another comment, the documented examples of racism on Fox and in the Tea Party are many.

    •  Yes, they're splitting (racist) hairs n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      I will not teach a man who is not anxious to learn and will not explain to one who is not trying to make things clear to himself - Confucius

      by DiegoUK on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:17:23 PM PDT

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  •  Anyone seeking evidence of racism in the Tea (3+ / 0-)
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    Party need only watch videos of some of their rallies and read the abhorrent and offensive placards their members so proudly display.

    •  Here's how it worked: (2+ / 0-)
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      1. NAACP says there are some racist elements in the tea party
      1. tea baggers and their friends all say "Hell no there isn't"
      1. Tea Baggers then purge the organization of the tea party express because they're racist, in an effort to prove that they're not racist.
      1. Brietbart makes tape to prove that the NAACP is racist itself, but manipulates the tape in a racist fashion.
      1. In the ensuring blow-up, Breitbart and Fox news, while maintaining they aren't racist, insist that there are still NAACP elements that are racist, when the evidence is to the contrary, thus revealing that it was a racist move on their part to try and pin racism on the NAACP.

      boy, it's hard to keep up....

      Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

      by blindcynic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 01:32:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Guess I need to get my Tea personnel straight... (0+ / 0-)

        So which group displayed the horrific placards of Obama at their rallies?  

        What makes this all the more complicated is that some of the racism is cloaked in statements like "we want our country back".  IMO, much of the outrage (over the President and his policies) is based on the fact that some people just can't accept that a black man is President.

        •  well, the point of this little soap opera (1+ / 0-)
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          is that there is a racist element as you note, just concealed. They're probably even fooling themselves, and don't like to be called on it. So on the one hand a particular tea-parties will say "we don;t have racists!" and in the next breath say "well, we're not organized rigorously, so pretty much anyone can get in, and some of them are racists...but it's not our fault"...

          So the whole idea of protesting that they aren't racist, then the very next day expelling a major player (Teas Party Express)because of racism (letter to Lincoln, or something like that) makes them seem, uh, very disorganized and clueless. Meanwhile Dick Armey and Freedomworks are cheerfully reproducing their Grassroots© townhalls and busing activities...

          and of course in typical distortion-induced spin, they (Fox and 'friends') manage to replace the actual NAACP request "censure some of those people in your ranks who are racist" with "The NAACP calls (all) tea-partiers racist!", thus setting up a strawman. Then on to the counter-racism claim, with invented "proof". These people are paragons of delusion....

          Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

          by blindcynic on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 03:47:21 PM PDT

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  •  I LOVE JOAN WALSH! (3+ / 0-)
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    If I could marry her, I would. Watching her slap down these dishonest hucksters was not only great television, not only long overdue, but DAMN Joan was sexy!

  •  to me, it seems silly (0+ / 0-)

    that Joan Walsh would imply that Sherrod is getting a pass, I personally thought that part was STUPID.

  •  Breitbart should be osctacized, (0+ / 0-)

    a pariah in the wilderness.

    Instead he's headlining a fundraiser soon in Beverly Hills with Michael Steele.

    This is today's Republican Party.

    More and better? I'd settle for just better.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 02:48:08 PM PDT

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    Thank you Joan!

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