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Following Bill O'Reilly's appearance on the view where he said "Muslim's Killed Us on 9-11" while discussing Park 51 and sent both Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar storming from the stage in disgust that he would smear Every Muslim this way.  Fools and Friends Brian Kilmeade doubled down on the JackHolery with....

Not all Muslim's are Terrorists, but all Terrorists are Muslims

Terrorism Defined.

Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1]  Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians), and are committed by non-government agencies.

Thinkprogress rips this one apart, piece by piece.

If Kilmeade took off his news "training wheels," he’d know that some of the most notorious terrorists like the Tamil Tigers, who "invented" suicide bombing, the Irish Republican Army, and the Lord’s Resistance Army are not Muslim. In fact, the U.S’s recent domestic terrorists like the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, the Hutaree militia, John Patrick Bedell, Joe Stack, Jerry Kane Jr., and white supremacist James von Brunn were also not Muslim. California gunman Byron Williams, who tried to "start a revolution" in July, was actually inspired by Fox News pundit Glenn Beck, not Islam. Overall, according to the National Counterterrorism Center, non-Muslims account for 16,868 recorded incidents of terrorism, 967 less than Islamic extremists.

So yet again, a Foxer has his facts wrong.  Yes, al Qaeda attacked us on 9-11, but London has faced thousands of attacks by the IRA - None of whom were MUSLIM, and American Radical Christians have bullied, attacked, firebombed and shot other Americans for years for religious reasons. Are they terrorists? You betcha.

But not being satisfied in being wrong, Kilmeade had to double down later in the day on the radio.

Kilmeade: Bill said how distressed and downtrodden his is that Liberals don't get it still. Muslim Extremist, al Qaeda blew up those towers, blew up the Kohl, blew up the Embassies, tried to blow up Times Square, the Shoe-bomber, they are all extremists and they are all Muslim. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is a Muslim.  You can't avoid that fact. It's ridiculous that we have got to keep defining this.  And people would equate Timothy McVeigh with the al Qaeda terrorist organization, which has grown and is a threat that exists

Besides the fact that what Whoopie was screaming as she left the stage was "Extremists Did It", I think Brian really inserted foot-in-mouth the mid-knee here.

Timothy McVeigh was absolutely trying to start a movement and that movement is indeed growing.  First off, he didn't act alone - he had multiple accomplices (Michael Fortier & Terry Nichols) who had the same radical anti-ethnic,  anti-government, hyper-Christian point of view that he did - as outlined and guided by the infamous Turner Diaries.  He used to sell copies of that book in order to "Spread it's message". He wanted to start a War within the U.S. between White Christians on one side with Non-Whites/Non-Christians and the U.S. Government on the other side.

That movement is growing as we've seen by attempt by the Michigan Hutaree Militia to start a New U.S. Civil War, Just like McVeigh Tried to Do!

These guys wore a patch on their shoulder which stated "C.C.R." for "Colonial Christian Republic".  Muslim?  I think not.

More on these nutballs from Eugene Robinson.

According to the indictment, the group had been plotting for two years to assassinate federal, state or local police officers. "Possible such acts which were discussed," the indictment says, "included killing a member of law enforcement after a traffic stop, killing a member of law enforcement and his or her family at home, ambushing a member of law enforcement in rural communities, luring a member of law enforcement with a false 911 emergency call and then killing him or her, and killing a member of law enforcement and then attacking the funeral procession motorcade" with homemade bombs.

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But for the most part, far-left violence in this country has gone the way of the leisure suit and the AMC Gremlin. An anti-globalization movement, including a few window-smashing anarchists, was gaining traction at one point, but it quickly diminished after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. An environmental group and an animal-rights group have been linked with incidents of arson. Beyond those particulars, it is hard to identify any kind of leftist threat.

By contrast, there has been explosive growth among far-right, militia-type groups that identify themselves as white supremacists, "constitutionalists," tax protesters and religious soldiers determined to kill people to uphold "Christian" values. Most of the groups that posed a real danger, as the Hutaree allegedly did, have been infiltrated and dismantled by authorities before they could do any damage. But we should never forget that the worst act of domestic terrorism ever committed in this country was authored by a member of the government-hating right wing: Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.

It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist. The danger of political violence in this country comes overwhelmingly from one direction -- the right, not the left. The vitriolic, anti-government hate speech that is spewed on talk radio every day -- and, quite regularly, at Tea Party rallies -- is calibrated not to inform but to incite.

According to Kilmeade these guys are all "Muslims"?  Really?

How about this dude, Joe Stack, who pulled an al Qeada by flying his plane into the IRS buliding in Austin Texas, you might argue he was crazy and suicidal, but you couldn't argue that he was a Muslim!

How about this guy - Scott Roeder - who methodically stalked and killed Dr. George Tiller and is now being investigated as being part of a multi-state conspiracy to murder, intimidate and firebomb doctors, by radical, extremist anti-abortion activist/terrorists including a shadowy group that calls themselves the "Army of God".

Is this guy a Muslim?

That group continues to openly support the actions of this guy - Eric Rudolph - who bombed the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, several women's health clinics and a gay nightclub.

Another Army of God Member - Shelley Shannon - whom Roeder visited before shooting Tiller because she'd shot him BEFORE has posted on the Army of God Website instructions on How To Firebomb a Clinic!

How to Destroy a Killing Center if You're Just an Old Grandma
Who Can't Even Get the Fire Started in Her Fireplace

by Shelley Shannon

*Please re-type or photocopy this and burn the copy you were given, with the fingerprints thereof. Thanks.  

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The biggest hurdle was being willing to even consider that God could indeed require this work of anyone. Christians don't do that kind of thing, do they? But prayer and God cleared that up. Then I realized that I needed to stop the killing too. I prayed, "God, if you really want me to  do this, you're gonna have to show me how, because I can't even get the fire started in my fireplace." The ideas kept coming, including thoughts from people who had accomplished Big Rescue. My plan was to fill five plastic milk cartons (the kind with the pop off tops) with gasoline, throw them through the window, throw in a lit torch (a stick with oil-soaked rags tied on the end), and scram. I had to know for sure I had God's how, when and where before I would act. If I was going to spend what's left of my life in prison or die in an explosion, I was at least going to do so in the will of God!

Army of God's titular leader, "Rev" Donald Spitz, has put together Tribute Videos to Killers like Paul Hill who shot a doctor and his bodyguard in Florida with a Shotgun, and was later visited in jail by -- Shelley Shannon. AOG has even published their own "How to be a Terrorist" Manual.

I'm not thinking this guy is a "Muslim", but he is a Terrorist and he is part of a growing movement.

One that includes this guy, James Adkisson, who walked into a Unitarian Church in Knoxville Tennesse and shot 5 people - killing 2 of them - because they were, in his opinion, too "Liberal"?  Political Terrorism?  You bet.

From Adkisson's "Note":

"Know this if nothing else: This was a hate crime. I hate the damn left-wing liberals. There is a vast left-wing conspiracy in this country & these liberals are working together to attack every decent & honorable institution in the nation, trying to turn this country into a communist state. Shame on them....

Or this guy who killed three Pittsburgh Police Officers either because he was frustrated with his girlfriend or "Obama Wants to Take Away My Guns" - or both.

Or this guy, James Von Brunn, a Neo-Nazi who shot up the Holocaust Museum in Washington killing a security guard who was opening the door for him, before other guards could take him down.  All of which was a fortunate thing for his next target, David Axelrod.

Or James Cummings, another Neo-Nazy/Supremacist who tried to build a Radiological Dirty Bomb in Maine to attack the Presidency of Barack Obama.

Amber (Cummings) indicated James was very upset with Barack Obama being elected President," reported the Washington Regional Threat and Analysis Center (PDF link). "She indicated James had been in contact with ‘white supremacist group(s).’ Amber also indicated James mixed chemicals in the kitchen sink at their residence and had mentioned ‘dirty bombs.’"

   "Also found was literature on how to build ‘dirty bombs’ and information about cesium-137, strontium-90 and cobalt-60, radioactive materials," said the Bangor Daily. "The FBI report also stated there was evidence linking James Cummings to white supremacist groups. This would seem to confirm observations by local tradesmen who worked at the Cummings home that he was an ardent admirer of Adolf Hitler and had a collection of Nazi memorabilia around the house, including a prominently displayed flag with swastika. Cummings claimed to have pieces of Hitler’s personal silverware and place settings, painter Mike Robbins said a few days after the shooting."

Perhaps the fact that most of these Terrorists are coming from The Right is why people like Kilmeade attempt to completely discard them from reality.  Maybe it's because more than a few of them have been directly inspired by Fox News!

People like Gregory Guisti who threated to Kill Nancy Pelosi.

Washington, DC - Today, after the mother of Gregory Giusti -- the man arrested for allegedly threatening Speaker Nancy Pelosi's life over health care reform -- stated that Fox News was a factor in her son's alleged actions, Media Matters for America released the following statement:

  "The violent language and scare tactics we see on Fox News every day have real consequences," said Eric Burns, President of Media Matters. "This is a network that ran a 14-month campaign against health care reform, which left their viewers confused and angry. The question is, now that one of those viewers has allegedly threatened Speaker Pelosi's life over health care reform, is Fox News going to do anything about it?"

Threatening a politician, is violence for political reasons - otherwise known as Terrorism.

And what about this guy - Byron Williams - who was on his way to kill members of the ACLU and Tides Foundation because Glenn Beck Told Him they were DANGEROUS until he was stopped during a gunfight with Oakland Police.

And Kilmeade thinks all the "Terrorist Are Muslim" - yeah, except for the ones Fox News Supports!  It's so interesting that Muslims, like those involved in Park 51, who had nothing to do with 9-11 are legitimate targets for retaliation and humiliation, but anyone on the Right-Wing who openly revolts against our own Government are somehow "Victims", if they happen to be contrasted and compared with any of the above.

Double Standard Much?

Yes, the al Qaeda terrorist network is dangerous - but so are all these guys and their network tacit as well as active supporters.  

And don't look now, but I think that "movement" is growing.

Vyan

Update: Kilmeade says he's sorry - kinda.

KILMEADE: On the show on Friday, I was talking about Bill O’Reilly appearance on the View and I said this: "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims." Well, I misspoke. I don’t believe all terrorists are Muslims. I’m sorry about that if I offended or hurt anybody’s feelings. But that’s it.

You don't "believe all terrorists are Muslims" - when you said it not once, but Twice last week?  Particularly when that same day he asked Geraldo if American's "have a right to look at moderate Muslims and say, 'show me you're not one of them'"

I would say that the 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments, which are supposed to guarantee the presumption of innocence and require the proof of guilt and due process before a court of law and jury would pre-empt that question.  No, you don't have the right to make someone prove their not you're enemy or a criminal.

Which Kilmeade are we supposed to believe, the one who was strident and adamant on Friday or this weak-ass half-hearted shifty Kilmeade today?  Is it possible that somebody, oh maybe someone like a major Fox Shareholder such as Saudi Prince Al-Waleed demanded an apology? I don't know - I'm just thinking and wondering... I mean, it's not like this guy could have possibly had a crisis of conscience, nobody on FOX has a conscience or else they couldn't cash their paychecks.

Vyan

Originally posted to Vyan on Mon Oct 18, 2010 at 10:32 AM PDT.

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