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The G8 Rulers of the World summit in France issued a declaration on Friday [May 27] underscoring the importance of "learning the lessons" of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, and urging all nations who possess nuclear electrical generating capacity to conduct safety inspections. Which they termed an "absolute necessity" in the wake of Fukushima even for nations who plan to phase out their nuclear capacity. The declaration also expresses "hope" that the IAEA will step up its role in ensuring nuclear generation is safe, though I doubt anyone is holding their breath for that to happen.

Now, G8 declarations don't really hold much weight in the world, any more than IAEA 'rules' necessarily get applied anywhere in the world (or NRC 'rules' hold sway in the U.S.). But it is worth noting that the richest nations in the world (all of whom went big for nuclear once upon a time) have finally begun to take an interest in the amount of serious social and economic harm a single accident can visit upon any nation who suffers one, and that those harms can travel like plumes of radioactive contamination to visit harm upon other countries as well. Here's hoping they come to the well-warranted conclusion that the world must turn away from nuclear as well as fossil fuels, and put some serious money and effort into developing and deploying alternatives.

The Times of India reports today that all but three radiation monitoring systems near the Fukushima Daiichi AND Daiini nuclear installations broke down after the earthquake and tsunami, presenting large holes in the initial release data from three to five hours after the earthquake. Which means, as with the meltdowns that occurred at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl in years past, that yet another nuclear accident has no real record of how much radioactive contamination went out during the worst initial phases of the crisis.

In the United States this lack of data about how much contamination went out in the first days after the accident at TMI has been used in courts of law as reason to dismiss lawsuits brought by nearby residents who later developed cancers. So long as those people cannot 'prove' with independent data that more went out than 'officials' of the utility and NRC claim went out, their cancers have uniformly been ruled to NOT be a result of radiation.

Given the fact that neither the utility nor the NRC has any clue how much went out either, I've always wondered how it is they are able to claim that not much did go out. And be ruled in court as somehow more 'credible' than thousands of individuals who have cancer (or are next-of-kin to someone who died of cancer). Go figure. Anyone care to lay odds on TEPCO using the very same defense when the time inevitably comes?

Also from Mainichi, we are treated to a perspective on the thicket of different views and explanations that awaits investigators who will be tasked with documenting exactly what happened at Fukushima Daiichi. I find it refreshing that the Japanese press at least acknowledges that these differing views and explanations are places where the truth can be hidden or distorted, for reasons having nothing much to do with what actually happened during and after the earthquake and tsunami on March 11. As the author puts it…

One might say Japanese people have a duty to civilization to examine the truth behind this unprecedented nuclear crisis. It is not simply a case of picking out the guilty party and gloating with satisfaction. It is a test of prudence and wisdom that will require investigators to uncover the truth that mankind should be taught as they sift through a plethora of testimonies and data."

Yeah. Too bad they'll be entirely missing the actual release figures in the first hours and days. Maybe they'll be able to fill in some holes with data collected by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which managed to collect its own release figures (no doubt with some help from the U.S. Navy in Japan) in those first days. Which informed them, said a senior NRC official last week, that the plants were melting and the spent fuel pools were in serious trouble.

A reason, no doubt, for the advisory to American citizens in the area within 80 km (50 miles) to get the heck out. Sort of a hopeful sign that the next time one of OUR nukes suffers a meltdown, "officials" just might do the right thing and evacuate the citizens downwind.

Anyhoo, that's the weekend roundup (so far), with hopefully not too much bitter cynicism mixed in. Gathered and offered after a long, long day with a film crew here to get the gnarly details about TMI-2's meltdown (32 years later). This time the grandsons - 20 and 21 - were here to look intimidating, but daughter wasn't, involved instead in a big Disc Golf tournament the next county over. We'll get our disc fix tomorrow after the city slickers leave, or maybe on Monday. It's Memorial Day Weekend, we'll be putting some nice fresh wildflowers on the trifolds that decorate our mantle.

So hug a Vet, and remember the true cost of freedom while we still can. It's important that we do remember, because the moment we forget is the moment those who hate our freedom can take it all away. Most of those people live right here in the United States, and too many of them hold positions of "official" power.

Originally posted to Joieau on Sat May 28, 2011 at 05:44 PM PDT.

Also republished by Nuclear Free DK.

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  •  If We Went Onto Renewable Energy, Half or More (28+ / 0-)

    of the reason we put troops in harm's way would disappear.

    The best tribute we could make to those who've made the ultimate sacrifice --and the millions more who've made lesser sacrifices-- would be to re-task the military-industrial complex to the development of renewable wind/solar/tide/wave generation, and begin to save the world from the real existential threat we actually face.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat May 28, 2011 at 05:57:04 PM PDT

  •  Now look! (11+ / 0-)


    Fukushima Baby

    All this news about Fukushima is making me crazy.

    It's all going to dissolve harmlesslesslessly into the ocean where nobody will ever see or smell a thing, it's much cleaner than coal or oil because you can't see it, and besides according to TV it's good for you, builds character or something, and makes you resistant to cancer of the attitude after it melts your brain.

    Besides, we could all use an extra arm growing out of our foreheads anyway, yes?

    Is it making you crazy too?

    Antemedius | Liberally Critical Thinking

    by Edger on Sat May 28, 2011 at 05:59:59 PM PDT

  •  Thanks. (5+ / 0-)

    "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine

    by blueoregon on Sat May 28, 2011 at 06:10:43 PM PDT

  •  It's time to close... (14+ / 0-)

    California's San Onofre and Diablo Canyon nuclear power plants. Both sit on or near earthquake faults. If either one should suffer an accident, the consequences would be catastrophic. San Onofre could endanger the lives of millions living in San Diego and Los Angeles. Diablo Canyon could lay waste to our great central valley breadbasket.

    Nuclear Power is not worth the risk.  

    Diaries are funny things Sam. Type one letter and you never know where you might end up. My apologies to J.R.R. Tolkien.

    by Caddis Fly on Sat May 28, 2011 at 06:25:39 PM PDT

  •  Point of Information (0+ / 0-)

    I would just like to point out the following from the DailyKos FAQ:

    Diaries advancing 'Conspiracy Theories' are subject to ridicule and derision from the community at the very least. Repeat offenders can and will be banned.

    And here we have a diary that advances certain conspiracy theories that involve both a US government agency and the US Federal Courts. These theories are based on evidence that doesn't exist.

    If there ever was a case of a diary advancing a "Conspiracy Theory," it's this diary. Please ridicule away ... as the rules stipulate. ;-)

    An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
    -- H. L. Mencken

    by bryfry on Sat May 28, 2011 at 06:26:46 PM PDT

    •  There is plenty of room for disagreement (6+ / 0-)

      without being disagreeable.

    •  LOL!!! (14+ / 0-)

      No theory here, Bry-guy. All matters of historical record.

      Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

      by Joieau on Sat May 28, 2011 at 06:50:10 PM PDT

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      •  What's lacking? (0+ / 0-)

        Evidence, perhaps?

        Scientific evidence, most certainly.

        An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
        -- H. L. Mencken

        by bryfry on Sat May 28, 2011 at 08:27:24 PM PDT

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        •  Your CV. (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          cotterperson, Joieau, Russgirl

          Let's match yours with joieau's.

        •  "Evidence" of what? (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          oldhippie, billmosby, Russgirl, mamamedusa

          That TMI-2 had an accident and melted a lot of its core? That the 2000+ plaintiffs in the federal class action health effects lawsuit didn't get to have their witnesses heard? That the defense relied on highly questionable "estimates" of how much radioactive contamination was released? I'm not seeing any theory here, I see simple facts. All of which are a matter of public record.

          The class action was filed in federal court in 1988. This is not the 1981 class action and unconnected to the monitoring set up with the out-of-court settlement. It's not any of the ~$15 million Met-Ed paid out for damages and personal injury in the 1980s, mostly for babies born with birth defects. The suit was dismissed by a judge named Rambo in 1996 for "lack of evidence" when all the plaintiffs' expert witnesses were disallowed. As Mary Osborn put it back in 1996…

          ...The headlines in the front page of Pennsylvania Law Weekly (1/22/96), featured another kind of meltdown: "Expert 'Meltdown' Hits TMI Case." As litigators were nearing the end of the pretrial stage in the eight-year-old personal injury class action lawsuit, the judge ruled on the defendant's motion in limine and threw out most of the plaintiffs ' expert witnesses! Citing flaws such as experts' lack of expertise, lack of control samples, lack of peer review of their papers, failure to have papers published, etc., the judge discarded most of the plaintiffs' experts' testimony pertaining to the "dose of radiations emitted from TMI and allegedly received by plaintiffs.

          Granted, this was a plaintiff, but it's a fair representation of what happened. The plaintiffs had funded an academic epidemiological examination of cancer in the immediate TMI area (step-staging distance, out 3, 5, 10 and 15 miles). The team of epidemiologists found cancers and cancer clusters amassed in a definable direction from the plant, extending north-northeast. Along the direction of the prevailing wind. This strongly suggested "plume" activity, whereas the 'official' method of figuring possible health effects was to draw a 50-mile radius circle around the plant (full 360), and divvy up the amount of radiation they SAY got released evenly among all the humans who lived within that circle. Thereby including more than 4 million people who were not exposed to any significant radiation from TMI-2.

          The Wing study established that the contamination spread along a plume, and that's where the cancers were found. Which clearly indicates that people in the path of the plume received significant doses, while those not in the plume or at a distance received little to no dose. We were to provide copies of the actual NRC plume maps generated by every 30-minute fly-throughs in helicopters during the first weeks after the meltdown. Which, if transferred to transparency and overlaid on Wing's map of cancers, matched exactly.

          It would have been difficult for Met-Ed/GPU to successfully argue the contamination didn't travel as a plume if the jury had plume maps generated by the NRC in their hands.

          Fukushima has changed many things at the heart of discussions about nuclear power, by very publicly melting, blowing up and spewing nasty plumes of contamination that follow the course of the prevailing winds. Now "everybody knows" melting reactors generate hydrogen and explode quite impressively, and radioactive contamination travels in plumes. These things can no longer be dismissed by apologists' plaintive cries of 'impossible'. We all know better.

          Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

          by Joieau on Sun May 29, 2011 at 11:24:48 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Bahh hah!!! (0+ / 2-)
            Recommended by:
            Hidden by:
            indycam, cville townie

            Wow! Perhaps you are too stupid to realize that you are a conspiracy theorist.

            the defense relied on highly questionable "estimates" of how much radioactive contamination was released

            The defense relied on the results of the President's Commission! To call that "questionable" is comparable to calling into question the results of the Warren Commission or the 9/11 Commission.

            Like I said. Conspiracy theory territory.

            Look, little Miss Conspiracy Theorist, where is your supporting evidence for the Wing Study? That lawyer-funded paper was published almost a decade and a half ago. Surely there should be some supporting evidence in the peer-reviewed scientific literature to support the findings of Wing and his colleagues by now. Where is it?

            You are like a 9/11 truther ... you have no reliable evidence, so you just bark and bark and hope that nobody notices that you don't have an ounce of real evidence to rely on.

            Feel free to correct me with peer-reviewed scientific studies any time now. Thanks.

            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
            -- H. L. Mencken

            by bryfry on Mon May 30, 2011 at 11:50:05 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Well, I guess I got my answer (0+ / 0-)

              from indicam.

              No evidence ... just an attempt to hide my questions.

              So predicable.

              An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
              -- H. L. Mencken

              by bryfry on Mon May 30, 2011 at 08:09:12 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  "Perhaps you are too stupid" (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                marina

                An attack / insult on another .
                It was not the question that was hide rated .

                "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                by indycam on Tue May 31, 2011 at 09:39:23 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                  You can't answer the question.

                  An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                  -- H. L. Mencken

                  by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 05:02:36 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You didn't ask me a question . (0+ / 0-)

                    You insulted Joieau .

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Tue May 31, 2011 at 07:08:52 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Hear no evil (0+ / 0-)

                      speak no evil.

                      How intellectually lazy of you. Don't you have a voice of your own? Do you do nothing more than react? (Usually by selecting the "Hide" button.)

                      I'm so disappointed, but not surprised.

                      An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                      -- H. L. Mencken

                      by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 07:26:40 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  From the faqs (0+ / 0-)

                        http://www.dkosopedia.com/...

                        There is also a fifth kind of troll: the simple asshole. It doesn't matter how pure your motives are, if you can't get along with other users, you're not doing yourself, them, the site, or anything else any good. 90% of all trolls are banned because of their behaviors towards other users, not because of their opinions.

                        A flaming insulter such as you , calling someone else

                        intellectually lazy
                        makes me laugh !

                        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                        by indycam on Tue May 31, 2011 at 07:32:51 PM PDT

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                        •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

                          I already claim to be an asshole. Check my profile description.

                          That just means that I'm honest.

                          My question is ... why do you bother to respond, if you won't address the issues.

                          What you confuse as being a "troll" or "asshole" is just hard facts that you can't deal with.

                          That's intellectually lazy. Laugh all you want. Anyone with any sense who is reading this will see who is ducking the question.

                          duck away , silly person . perhaps one of these days , you'll learn how the rest of the world uses punctuation characters .

                          then again , perhaps not . it's rare to run into someone with a fourth-grade education these days ; even rarer to run into someone who proudly pretends to have a fourth-grade education .

                          An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                          -- H. L. Mencken

                          by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 07:43:12 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  So you admit being a fifth kind of troll ? (0+ / 0-)

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Tue May 31, 2011 at 07:46:48 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

                            i'm an assole , if thats what you mean .

                            i've admitted that for years . havnt you been paying . attention ?

                            you , however , still refuse to address the question , preferring to focus on semantics .

                            perhaps you can explain . how the claims of Joieau are not a conspiracy theory . they depend on only one scientific paper that is over 14 years old . and they contradict far more comprehensive government studies that concluded the opposite .

                            assuming you are not brain-damaged ( a wild guess ) even you should see that these claims are in conspiracy theory territory , along with the Kennedy assassination theories and the 9-11 " truthers " .

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 07:57:13 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  So you are saying you are a fifth kind of troll ? (0+ / 0-)

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Tue May 31, 2011 at 08:00:27 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  are you ever (0+ / 0-)

                            going  to answer . the question ?

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 08:06:29 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Are you going to refute that you are (0+ / 0-)

                            the fifth type of troll ?
                            Or are you admitting that you are indeed the fifth type troll ?

                            Come on be a man and step up .
                            You have already admitted several times to being an asshole .
                            Go that one little step farther and admit that you are indeed the fifth type troll .
                            I think once you admit to yourself and everyone else that you have been the fifth type of troll , you can start to change into someone who is not . Its up to you to take that first step . No one can do it for you .

                            Read this again

                            There is also a fifth kind of troll: the simple asshole. It doesn't matter how pure your motives are, if you can't get along with other users, you're not doing yourself, them, the site, or anything else any good.
                            and tell me that it does not describe you perfectly ?

                            Once you can admit you have a problem , we can work on getting you the help you need .
                            But if you keep on going as you are , I fear you will not be long for this site .

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Tue May 31, 2011 at 08:20:41 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  tell me this (0+ / 0-)

                            who is trying to promot further conversation on this partcular topic ?

                            and who is trying to be a concern trol ?

                            pleas ... indycam ... try to get me baned .

                            got any mor idle threats ?

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 08:51:07 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You think you are ? (0+ / 0-)

                            With your admitted asshole game playing , lying and insults ?
                            That's your idea of "trying to promot further conversation" ?
                            Since you can not or will not admit to being a fifth type troll ,
                            I'll say it for you , you are a fifth type troll . You are a troll .

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 06:21:04 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Sticks and stones (0+ / 0-)

                            asshole ... i could hr you for your insults ( by your rules ) . but unlike you , i am not a child .

                            still won't answer my question , will you ?

                            pleas , give me just one peer-reviewed articl that supports your argument ... that supports Wing's study .

                            that would prov that i am a lier , woudn't it ?

                            pleas

                            pretti pleas ?

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 07:49:46 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  What insult/s ? (0+ / 0-)
                            pleas , give me just one peer-reviewed articl that supports your argument ... that supports Wing's study .
                            My argument ? Link to my "argument" ?
                            i am not a child .
                            How old are you ?

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 08:22:33 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Er ... (0+ / 0-)
                            You are a troll

                            the only peopl who believ in trolls are about 4 years old . so i guess you are 4 years old .

                            i am older than 4 .

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 08:30:17 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  From the Faq pages . (0+ / 0-)

                            http://www.dkosopedia.com/...

                            Dealing with trolls

                            Trolling is a sad reality of internet life. Most trolls tend to be blatant, posting comments or diaries that are clearly intended to provoke an angry response. Other trollish messages are posted simply to disrupt the conversation in a diary. But some people like to label others trolls who aren't. This is typically done to stifle someone's point of view or to deflect attention away from a real troll. Such promiscuous use of the term muddies discussions and is just another form of name-calling that reduces productive interaction on the site. Be judicious in calling someone a troll or in treating someone as such.

                            Directly responding to an argument a troll makes is a waste of time; trolls tend not to be interested in actual debate. The community relies on a number of other methods to keep the community as troll-free as possible.

                            http://www.dkosopedia.com/...
                            You are a fifth type .

                            There is also a fifth kind of troll: the simple asshole.

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 09:10:26 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  From the Faq pages . (0+ / 0-)

                            http://www.dkosopedia.com/...

                            Diaries advancing 'Conspiracy Theories' are subject to ridicule and derision from the community at the very least. Repeat offenders can and will be banned.

                            i am just following the ruls , by ridiculing a diary filled with 'Conspiracy Theories' . this diary was written by the third type of troll: conspiracy troll

                            "Conspiracy Trolls". Anyone who repeatedly posts badly sourced stories here. All diarists and frontpagers are responsible for the accuracy and legitimacy of the things the post: posters that have a history of ignoring basic rules of journalism or evidence are not welcome here, because they detract from the reputation of the site and damage the authors who do put a great deal of effort into their articles. What the topic is -- 9/11 theories, Israel theories, whatever -- is irrelevant, it is the quality of the evidence presented that matters.

                            add TMI theories to the list .

                            you are hijacking the topic by doing nothing but throing insults .

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 09:48:20 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Why tell me about it ? (0+ / 0-)

                            I am not the person you think is a conspiracy troll .
                            If you wish to make the case to everyone that she is a troll , I will not stand in your way , if fact I fully support your right to do that .

                            And do you not recall saying that people who believe in trolls are 4 year olds ?

                            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                            by indycam on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 10:34:16 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  does it matter (0+ / 0-)

                            if i say , " pretty please " ?

                            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
                            -- H. L. Mencken

                            by bryfry on Wed Jun 01, 2011 at 06:11:22 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

          •  Since my last comment was HR'ed (0+ / 0-)

            for being "inconvenient" ...

            The Wing study established that the contamination spread along a plume...

            The Wing study is an outlier in the scientific literature, and thus has no credibility.

            Can you cite me even one scientific, peer-reviewed study that supports Wing et al.'s claims?

            No, I don't think so.

            Wing's work is ambulance chasing at its worst.

            An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup.
            -- H. L. Mencken

            by bryfry on Mon May 30, 2011 at 08:18:36 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Garbage. (0+ / 0-)

              The Wing study was found inadmissible because he found the cancers concentrated along a certain pathway from the plant and not diluted by the 'extra' 4 million or so people the utility and government included in their health effects allowance. IOW, the study had to support Met-Ed/GPU and the NRC or it would not be allowed in court. This firm ruling is guided very specifically by the liability limitations imposed by the Price-Anderson Act and its testing in Duke Power Co. v. Carolina Environmental Study Group by the Supreme Court in 1978.

              It was the 'official' position in the matter of releases of contamination from TMI - including in the health assessment task forces of both the Kemeny and Rogovin Commission reports - that all isotopes released were distributed evenly for 50 miles in all directions from the plant. Thus could not be found to have moved in a plume along the direction of prevailing winds. Even though Met-Ed/GPU and NRC had mapped the plume very specifically during the period of largest releases.

              These are plain facts. You know that contamination released to the air following accidents at nuclear plants travels in plumes just like fallout plumes from nuclear bombs. Just like the contamination plumes from Chernobyl (mapped for all to see). Just like the contamination plumes from Fukushima (mapped for all to see). Yet it is STILL the position of the U.S. government and the U.S. judicial system that contamination from TMI-2 did not travel in plumes. To this very day, when everybody knows different.

              Because had the plume been allowed, the people who lived in the plume and got cancer would have had standing to receive compensation, and the SCOTUS says that nuclear power is far more important than any number of citizens who suffer harm.

              Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

              by Joieau on Tue May 31, 2011 at 12:18:34 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Forget law (0+ / 0-)

                Let's talk science.

                Can you cite just one peer-reviewed scientific study that supports Wing's conclusions?

                Just one?

                Time is a bitch, and it is the nail in the coffin of junk science like the Wing et al. "reanalysis." If your "science" can't last the test of time, then it's not real science. It belongs to the realm of aether, N-rays, cold fusion, the "steady-state" universe, Lord Kelvin's 100-million-year-old Earth, and a whole host of incorrect science.

                Gimme just one study that supports this work.  Please?!!!

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                by bryfry on Tue May 31, 2011 at 05:00:56 PM PDT

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    •  But diary does not promulgate a conspiracy theory. (4+ / 0-)
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      That cancer patients have difficulty proving cause/effect in court is true in many other situations: it is a reality. That courts sometimes take decades before acknowledging a line of argumentation as factually based is not a conspiracy theory: it is reality.

      That agencies make arguments with or without evidence that is contradictory based on their outlook is not a conspiracy theory--it is reality.

      The diarist won't win his argument in a court of law--but that is not the standard of evidence that a conspiracy theory is made of.

       Guesstimating  why society fails at adjusting to negative realities, like bad nuclear power plant design, or ignored fire codes across the country in nuclear plants--or possible unaccounted consequences after Three Mile Island, and the faulty methodologies used to monitor the effects of radiation releases that occurred then--is worthy of consideration and debate on the public square.  

      Further,  this diary, did not focus on its interpretation of past events: it even sounded a note of cautious hope that our regulatory system is taking more care of our population! Does that sound like a conspiracist?

      If the diarist had argued that anyone that is bothered by slams against nuclear power at a time like this is part of an illuminati that orchestrates courts and agencies behind the scenes to create a one-world government--something along the line of the U.S. having brought down the towers on 9/11 to take down the Constitution--then one would hear the tinfoil crinkle as the reception caps were donned:
      you do have reasons to rebut certain premises, but can't  define this diary as a conspiracy theory in the sense intended by the DailyKos FAQ, bryfry.

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      by Ignacio Magaloni on Sat May 28, 2011 at 10:44:19 PM PDT

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  •   “extraordinarily high levels” of radiation (12+ / 0-)

    http://enenews.com/...

    Japan’s science ministry has detected extraordinarily high levels of radioactive cesium in seafloor samples collected off Miyagi and Ibaraki Prefectures. [...]

    Radioactive substances were found in all locations, including those off Miyagi and Ibaraki Prefectures, which had not been previously investigated.

    Radioactive cesium 137, measuring 110 becquerels per kilogram or about 100 times the normal level, was found in samples collected from the seabed 30 kilometers off Sendai City and 45 meters beneath the surface. [...]

    [Professor Takashi Ishimaru of the Tokyo University of Marine Science and Technology] said monitoring must be stepped up over a larger area, as radioactive materials in the seabed do not dissolve quickly, and can accumulate in the bodies of larger fish that eat shrimp and crabs that live on the seafloor.

    Music to TEPCO by

    Every moment in life contains an off ramp. Never be afraid to use it.

    by Adept2u on Sat May 28, 2011 at 06:39:18 PM PDT

  •  They've lost cooling on #5 (15+ / 0-)

    That's right sports fans that's not an error #5 reactor one two three four now five

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/...

    TOKYO, May 29 (Xinhua) -- Cooling system at a reactor of the crippled Fukushima No.1 nuclear power plant stopped from Saturday, the plant's operator said Sunday.

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. said the pumps to cool the nuclear reactor and fuel pool have stopped at the No. 5 unit, and the operator is now working to switch to backup pumps to restore the cooling system.

    When a worker at the plant became aware of the problem at 9 p.m. Saturday, the temperature of the reactor stood at 68 degrees Celsius and that of the fuel pool at 41 degrees Celsius.

    They had risen to 87 degrees Celsius and 44 degrees Celsius, respectively, by the time TEPCO began work to restore operations shortly after 8 a.m. Sunday, it said.

    Every moment in life contains an off ramp. Never be afraid to use it.

    by Adept2u on Sat May 28, 2011 at 07:32:05 PM PDT

  •  Eating ANY Japanese seafood is soon going (1+ / 0-)
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    to be like eating unregulated fugu fish, yum.

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    by Bluefin on Sat May 28, 2011 at 08:24:23 PM PDT

    •  It's not so much the fugu itself as much as (2+ / 0-)
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      the chef and preparation. Just have to be careful of liver, ovaries and wherever else TTX is found. Actually I think that no one serves fugu liver anymore because of the danger.

      But, point taken :-(

      Just have to cut around places of likely rad accumulation...

      I really hope that large-scale testing will be done because I really really hope this is the last time such realized and potential contamination is possible.

      Get some kind of data, even if it's ugly. Or not (!).

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      by MackInTheBox on Sat May 28, 2011 at 09:03:26 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks Joieau for keeping people up to date-- (6+ / 0-)

    it means a lot to those of us who know so little about the true ramifications of this disaster and need to learn and keep learning.  It's is so important.

  •  were the Rad monitor failures (3+ / 0-)
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    at TMI Deliberate?

    At Fukushima, i could see the quake killing the instruments,
    particularly once they had a station blackout...

    but why would the monitors fail at TMI?

    Did any other sites pick up TMI fallout?

    chernobyl was detected by a swedish reactor.

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Sun May 29, 2011 at 08:42:29 AM PDT

    •  At TMI the monitors (5+ / 0-)

      failed because they were overwhelmed. Sensors in the containment pegged within seconds of the steam generator explosion, the exterior monitors pegged when the emergency steam dump valves opened (and stayed open for more than two hours), and all the filtration in the aux building got saturated within minutes. There was no gaseous filtration of air leaving TMI-2 for a month. There was NEVER any particulate filtration.

      It took 5 days to get the sampling filters changed to even begin monitoring releases. It took two weeks to get the air filtration units changed out, and that evolution didn't start for two weeks because they were so 'hot' no one could get close enough to touch them.

      The highest and most dangerous releases occurred within the first 3-5 days, lots of lesser and ongoing releases for the next decade or so. The early releases were completely unmonitored, no one - including the utility and NRC - has any clue how much of what went out. The utility and its servants at NRC 'estimate' very little. Facts on the ground strongly suggest a whole heckuva lot more.

      Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

      by Joieau on Sun May 29, 2011 at 11:35:48 AM PDT

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      •  isotopic deposits? (3+ / 0-)
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        you should be able to sample Cesium deposits in soil downwind.

        George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

        by nathguy on Sun May 29, 2011 at 04:39:37 PM PDT

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        •  Had anyone done so, (2+ / 0-)
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          you're right. Back in 1979 people didn't have access to the kind of equipment that could read what was deposited where (as is fortunately available in Japan in 2011). Neither the utility nor the NRC wished to document anything, apart from NRC's documentation of the plume. And they fudged the readings on those too, since nobody was the wiser on what monitors they were using (that couldn't read microrem).

          The most 'important' thing about the fact that NRC had monitored the plume is that by monitoring the plume, they documented where the releases were going. They were not going out evenly in a 100-mile diameter circle with the plant at the center, to include millions of people in the 'burbs of Philly and Baltimore who weren't exposed to significant fallout from the meltdown. Had the truth of what went where been allowed, the harm done could have resulted in a dead zone, and a dead zone (pre-Chernobyl) was "unthinkable."

          Evidence - both physical from those NRC mappings, and epidemiological by charting where the cancer clusters occurred - was not allowed in open court. Because it would have demonstrated immense harm to the public.

          Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

          by Joieau on Mon May 30, 2011 at 10:37:24 AM PDT

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