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If the Republicans present an unfair shortterm 'deal', that matches what President Obama said he would veto, he damn well better veto it.

The R's are admired by the U.S. public for having a position and sticking to it, even when it is stupid. Even when they aren't sure it's the right thing to do. But they admire a man who has character, and a backbone, and who says what he's going to do, and then does what he said.

One thing is for sure. The earth will not explode if the U.S. defaults.

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While we should never ever have ended up here, we HAVE to make sure that the ultimate plan that is enacted is actually a GREAT one, and that it will ACTUALLY strengthen our country.

If that means that President Obama has to veto the first thing that is presented to him by the asshats in Congress, then so be it.

The pressure will be on them BIG TIME to come up with something he will sign once he veto's their first attempt.

They can spend an hour or two pointing fingers, but their corporate 'friends' will quickly make the point that they better figure out the meaning of the word compromise FAST.

President Obama should lay down a very deep line in the sand, and then line up his veto pens until a serious plan that is fair, bipartisan AND generates both revenue (and a lot of it) and spending cuts, is presented to him.

At this point, our country is no longer viewed as AAA, even if the rating hasn't changed. This political charade everyone is playing now isn't going to fool the ratings companies one bit.

We've passed over into the real world where the political posturing has actually damaged our country...and the way to make it right is to have a little backbone.

I hope that in the next week or so, as history unfolds, it ends up being made perfectly clear that the Democratic Party will fight for what is right...which in this case may mean allowing the country to go into default for the first time, so that the R's are forced to sit down at the table and actually COMPROMISE.

Of course, I have little hope that any of this will happen, because the D's in Congress are already stretching so that they can bend over without throwing out their  backs.

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  •  Well, the only debt we have is the mortgage... (0+ / 0-)

    ...on our farm. No mortgage on our house in Chicago. Pay off the credit cards in full every time.

    Whoops! Calamity Jean is a retired Federal worker. Well, there's a sufficient buffer in the account that her pension direct-deposits in, and that in turn just pays the farm mortgage.

    May have problems getting a construction loan for the new house on the farm. May also have a hard time selling the old house, even though we have to sell it as-is.

    Personally, I'd rather the President let the default happen, and blame it on the Republicans. Be interesting to see what happens next.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 06:47:56 PM PDT

  •  It won't even get to him (1+ / 0-)
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    gladkov

    Republicans need at least 4 Democratic votes in the Senate. They won't get them.

  •  Veto counts (4+ / 0-)
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    gladkov, fredlonsdale, IndieGuy, JeffW

    FDR - 635
    Reagan - 78
    Clinton - 37

    Obama to date - 2

    We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

    by denise b on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 06:51:45 PM PDT

  •  How would this pass the Senate? (0+ / 0-)

    Dems are still nominally in control and they could fillibuster an unfair bill.

  •  Well, we all wanted change... (0+ / 0-)

    And the R's are bringing about the default of the United States of America.

    For the last week, I've been fretting that the D's were going to do their usual thing...huff and puff, and then do whatever the R's told them to do.

    But I have a funny feeling that this situation might just be so big and so historical in nature, that the regular rules of society/politics don't really work here. The stakes are just too big to continue to be pushed around, and have horrible bills forced down the throats of the D's...bills that ultimately harm the country anyway.

    Hopefully, the R's are FORCED to do what we have to do  all the time...swallow our pride and do what is best for the country. Usually, we are doing it with the taste of the end of the gun the R's have in our mouths leaving
    a metallic aftertaste.

    I want to get excited about the possibility that the D's might actually stand up for themselves and fight back, and force the R's to compromise...but just when I think I might begin to feel that way, I remember every fight we've been in for the last two years.

  •  If the U.S. government defaults, then why is it (0+ / 0-)

    wrong for all of us to default. We pay nothing, no credit cards, no mortgages, no car payments, nothing. Many of us won't be able to anyway, no S.S. checks, no unemployment checks, no veterans checks, you can not get blood out of a stone, so if the Republicans allow the U.S. Government to default, then we should have no problem defaulting on our obligations as well.

  •  There will be no default (0+ / 0-)

    Anyone who thinks that just because there isn't some Gran Upward redistribution of Wealth Austerity Act of 2011 voted and signed by Congress and the President by 8.2 really does grasp the size, variety, and complexity of resources available to the US government.  

    Q. How do you think we fight trillion-dollar-a-year wars "off budget"?  A.  The exact same way the US government will continue to pay its bills after 8.2 if we haven't yet given Granny's Social Security to Goldman Sachs.  Don't worry, we WILL get around to that eventually, but we don't have to have that done by 8.2.

    "Tu vida es ahora" ~graffiti in Madrid's Puerta del Sol, May, 2011.

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Jul 24, 2011 at 07:42:39 PM PDT

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