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While reading December 1941; 31 days that changed America and saved the World  by Craig Shirley, I got to this quote which sounds like it came right out of a diary here on Daily Kos, but was made by Columnist Walter Lippman.

Read it right After "Two Dogs Humping"

A failure on the part of Republican party to give the National Policy wholehearted support , which , of course, includes outspoken criticism of incompetence, unwisdom, and inefficiency,  has to be construed as meaning only one thing: that the party is gambling on the defeat of the United States and that it is staking it's political future on a national disaster.

 If the Republican party in Congress merely sulks and opposes, waiting for trouble and appearing to hope for trouble...the Republican party will have placed itself in the intolerable position of have[ing] a vested interest in the humiliation and defeat of the United States

This was the GOP of Dec 3rd 1941. As most of you historians and history buffs know, the GOP was the party of isolationism leading up to the bombing of Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th 1941. If not for FDR ramping up industry and the army under the auspices of the "Lend Lease program", along with a mistake that Admiral Yamamoto made in attacking Pearl Harbor;  not launching a third wave which would have devastated the US Navy for two years at least, the United States would have had far more than "humiliation" to worry about.

Further, during the time period leading up to "the Day of Infamy" no hue and cry was being led by anyone including the 1941 DINOs, as American ships going to Europe were being blown to bits and sunk with near impunity by the U-Boats of Germany.

 Imagine the difference in response now.

So, what's the take home here? The party of "NO" has never had a valid history of being stronger on national defense and worse yet, if they had been in power in 1941, the whole world would have changed. It actually would be far worse now than it already is. Can they really go through with making the world far worse now? "HELL YES".

To be used in any way you all see fit for the upcoming election.  

Headed off to get ready for the coming week.

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  •  Actually, the Republicans were split (2+ / 0-)
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    While Robert Taft, whom everyone assumed would be the Republican nominee for President in 1940, was an isolationist, in fact the nomination was won by Wendell Wilkie, who supported rearmament and and all measures to aid Britain and China short of war.  William Allen White, a staunch Republican, albeit a liberal one, led the Committee to Defend America by Aiding the Allies.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 02:32:38 PM PST

    •  Good Point (2+ / 0-)
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      wilderness voice, Navy Vet Terp

      Nevertheless, Lippman was referring to congress in his column which was written on 12/03/1941.

      Further , the stance obviously didn't help Wilkie in 1940. America First, I believe, was the name of the organization that supported isolationism with members being referred to as American Firsters or just plain firsters.

       Bears a striking resemblance to the present. It at least rhymes well :-)

      •  I remember this (0+ / 0-)

        My mother was an Army nurse in World War II and survived some of the worst, and, unfortunately, all but forgotten, killing of the war, in New Guinea.  (My father was an Army doctor who deserted her when she was pregnant with me.)  When I was 8, in 1958, my mother took me from our home in Baltimore to Philadelphia.  Her war buddy and fellow nurse-vet met us at the train station and the three of us went on a motor trip through the Northeast.  My mother and I both expressed an interest in going into Canada, but this lady went on a tirade about how she belonged to America First before the war and she stands for America First now and she wasn't going to spend one American dime on these damn foreigners.  Remember, she was talking about Canada, for crying out loud.  This 8 year old didn't understand what my mother's war buddy was talking about then, but I understand now.

        "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

        by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 05:03:01 PM PST

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  •  "The party of 'NO'..." (4+ / 0-)

    "Has never had a valid history of being stronger on national defense."

    Not quite true.  Though you have to go back to 1865 to amend that never.

    They were also the party of human rights.

    Infrastructure...ie the Trans-Continental Railroad.

    Even health care for veterans.

    Of course, the modern Republican party is in the hands of the people Lincoln's party fought against.

    I'm pretty sure if he were running today his polling would be worse the Jon Huntsman.

    sigh

    Government of the people...by the people...for the people...shall not perish from the earth. -Abraham Lincoln,19 November 1863

    by Notthemayor on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 03:02:58 PM PST

    •  The GOP isolatioists of the 1930's are (3+ / 0-)

      still with us. After PH they morfed-- with the assistance of the Luce owned media into the 'China First' lobby. Their stalwart figure was Douglas MacArthur -- many of that group were behind various attempts to have him run for President. Their power was such that MacArthur avoided being deservidly fired by FDR and their influence caused much diversion of valuable rescources in attempts to prop up Chaing Kai Shek throughtout the war ( for good background on this read Tuchmans 'Stillwell And The American Experience In China. Then follow up with David Halberstams 'The Coldest Winter' ). Rooted in the mid west, after the inevitable collapse of Chiang they morfed again into fierce anti Communists (HUAC - McCarthy et al ) and finally once more into the neo cons we saw, and still see today, causing much well documented mayhem.

       The isolationists of 1941 are still with us by a different name.

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 03:27:16 PM PST

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      •  MacArthur personally threatened FDR to run 4 pres (3+ / 0-)
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        to get what he wanted in the Pacific theater.

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 03:31:48 PM PST

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        •  Which is exactly why he should have been fired. (2+ / 0-)
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          For a serving officer to make such threats ( as revealed by a letter from a GOP Congresscritter ) is, to say the least, the worst sort of insubordination.

           FDR should have canned him as should have Truman when MacArthur started getting up to his old tricks ( ask Hoover about that vis a vis the Bonus Army ) of insobordination.

           When Truman finally did can him MacArthur turned out to be a paper political tiger ....winning exactly one delegate at the '52 convention and seeing 'the best clerk who ever worked for me' (Ike)  take the nomination.

           His bluff should have been called years before.

          it tastes like burning...

          by eastvan on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 03:44:22 PM PST

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          •  And in the 2nd landing for photographers (0+ / 0-)

            In the Philippines invasion in '44.

            Convinced me about MacArthur. A competent CO, but thought he was a player.

            I have lots more respect for Adm Frank "Jack" Fletcher, who ran afoul of Adm King and after the Gaudacanal mistake was moved out of the mainstream in the Pacific.

            Funny Halsey made the opposite of the Gaudacanal mistake during Leyte Gulf for no ill effect, to the scale of Fletcher spending the rest of the war in the north Pacific.

            Its kind of funny that MacArthur even survived the Bonus Army incident, but he played to the press and was a popular name.

            FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

            by Roger Fox on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 04:52:05 PM PST

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            •  Halsey never made CNO (1+ / 0-)
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              Leyte Gulf and the Typhoon did him in. He was too big a hero to can.

              •  Both King and Nimitz liked Halsey (0+ / 0-)

                And Halsey was a pilot, a brownshoe, while FLetcher was a blackshoe,

                Fletchers mentor was hated by King, King might have had it in for Fletcher. King wanted Fletcher beached after Coral Sea, Nimitz said no.

                I like Fletcher, I thought he formed a great staff, and in spite of Kings insistence that Fletcher was gun shy, Fletcher at Coral Sea and at Midway he had no qualms about getting into knife fight range with the Japanese carriers. Fletchers air strikes at Coral Sea and at Midway were effective because they were launched at less than 70 miles and were properly staged.

                Proof of the pudding is FLetchers strikes at Coral Sea and at Midway were used as models for the rest of the war.

                Spruance may have picked that up after seeing Brownings desire to launch air strikes from range beyond what a bomber carrying a 1000 pound bomb could reach. Yorktown pilots got into a yelling match with Browning about this, and Spruance decided to side with the Yorktown pilots.

                FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                by Roger Fox on Mon Dec 12, 2011 at 09:17:12 AM PST

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        •  Harry Truman said (1+ / 0-)
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          shortly before he fired MacArthur, that the biggest mistake FDR made in his 12 years plus as President was not sneaking General Jonathan Wainwright out of the Philippines instead of MacArthur.  If he had snuck out Wainwright and left MacArthur to surrender to the Japanese, "Wainwright would be my commander today in Korea, and MacArthur would be the dead war hero."

          "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

          by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 05:34:53 PM PST

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  •  Has Everyone in the Country Forgotten WW 1? (1+ / 0-)
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    The American people as a whole were isolationist, we'd had a slaughter over there just a generation earlier that resulted in nothing good, and we had it far, far easier than France or Britain.

    That's why FDR had to so carefully and hesitatingly nuance the aid programs and runup to the war.

    I despise the Republicans but I can't give them the major role in this.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 03:40:55 PM PST

  •  More about GOP and WWII (1+ / 0-)
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    Shocking but true.  

    James Bradley talked about his book The Imperial Cruise: A Secret History of Empire and War (Little, Brown and Company; November 24, 2009). The author of Flags of our Fathers, talked about his research into the origins of World War II that revealed the large diplomatic mission that President Theodore Roosevelt sent in 1905. Traveling across the Pacific, Mr. Bradley reports that Secretary of War William Howard Taft made 'secret and unconstitutional' agreements on President Roosevelt's behalf that permitted Japanese expansion into the Philippines and Korea and denial of a once promised protection of Korea by the United States. Mr. Bradley argues that these events set the stage for World War II, the Chinese Communist Revolution, and the Korean War

    http://www.c-spanarchives.org/...
    http://hnn.us/...

    Book review:
    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    •  According to the book (0+ / 0-)

      FDR was denying Japan recognition and oil resources unless they stopped the expansionist policies like Nanking when millions of Chinese were killed.

      There are many revisions to history being floated but if we look at America today, it should instruct us well about America of Yesteryear. There  was still  groups of crazies and  knowledge of world affairs among Americans was virtually nil as it is today. Most didn't even know where pearl harbor was and what Hawaii was.

      As far as WW1 is concerned, that was well over a generation before the start of WW11. While I'm certain it held grim reminders to some who were there or saw the fall-out after fell into a "fuck Europe" category.

      Look at history since 1945. There has been little if any resistance to getting into conflicts.

      The point of December 7th and the intransigence of the GOP towards involvement was Japan was off the map and the American mind at that time. No time or investment had been made in intelligence. Most in the Navy didn't think Japan could project force as far as they did even as U-Boats were knocking the stuffing out of us as we tried to re-supply Great Britain and Russia.

      Most were focused on Europe as "not that again".  However after 12/7/2011, according to the author, was the only time in history Americans had been as united as they were. Europe still wasn't on their minds until five days later when Germany and Italy declared war on us.

      While we may argue over the fine points the whole point of the diary was to show that even on the eve largest war ever , the GOP were still the Party of No and played politics with the country's future for political gain.

  •  OT, WWI and Wilson (0+ / 0-)

    Since McKinley in 1898, America has been on an imperialistic path.

    America was isolationist in WWI and had a large German immigrant population but President Wilson (D but Southern-born) realized that if America was to have a place at the table when the spoils were  going to be divided, we would have to get into the war.

    Psychological operations were used to manipulate public opinion so people would want to join the war.

    GREAT book covering much of the 20th Century from angles very much neglected in the conventional history books:

    American Empire: Roosevelt's Georgrapher and the Prelude to Globalization by Neil Smith, about Geographer Isaiah Bowman

    http://www.questia.com/...

    More:
    http://www.thenation.com/...

    •  Irony of History (0+ / 0-)

      that place at the table can be awfully expensive.

      Bac king the Weimar Republic financially after 1929 could have kept Hitler out of power (The Wages of Destruction, by Tooz).

      If the Japan had started their quality manufacturing instead of grasping for raw materials they could buy, they would have had a 30 year head start as an industrial power.

  •  About that "isolationism" (0+ / 0-)

    Funny how no one has mentioned that the isolationists in the GOP all screamed bloody murder when the USSR invaded Finland almost as soon as it happened. Yet they were all willing to ignore Germany's actions, even aid and abet (and profit) from Hitler's war machine.
    Prescott Bush, anyone? Ok, Frank Buckmann. How about Lindbergh or Henry Ford?
    Sheesh.

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    by Da Rat Bastid on Sun Dec 11, 2011 at 06:39:31 PM PST

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