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This is a response that I gave to a young Republican woman in an email exchange recently.  She is a friend who is twenty years younger than me (she is 23). She was trying to get me to donate to her candidate-a Republican. She has been politically active since her teens (knocking on doors, etc) When I asked why a young, mixed race woman would ever vote, much less campaign for a Republican she said “my family has always voted Republican, Republicans are nice people”. Urgg!  I will leave out the exchanges about how the Republican Party has changed since Lincoln and I will leave out the part where I said she was smart but not a deep thinker.  This is my last try at talking her out of the cult.  What did I miss?

Why do women think the GOP is against them?  Here is an incomplete list…Personhood bills, transvaginal ultrasounds, not signing the Violence against Women Act, the foot dragging on the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the war against teachers (many whom are women), raising stars in the GOP who won’t pay child support (Joe Walsh R Ill.), the decades long war against Planned Parenthood, the recent controversy about Girl Scouts (Ind. Republican), Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Scalia saying that equal protection under the law doesn’t apply to women, the Family Leader pledge that all of the GOP candidates for President have taken, the Koman fiasco, Santorum’s book, Santorum’s speeches, Gingrich’s “I just had to cat around on you because I am so patriotic, yea, I know you are sick but I need to marry the new better model”, Ron Paul’s” I am a Libertarian until it comes to women’s issues ( I always thought the Libertarians were for personal freedom , but he signed the pledge, and has been very far right on women’s issues)  and while I don’t hold anyone’s religion against them, I know too much about the LDS faith to trust Romney on women’s rights. Rep Issa should have at least listened to his PR person when they said (presumably) “this is going to look bad”, there are plenty of women of faith (isn’t the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopalian Church a woman?), why didn’t he seat any woman in the first round?  This is just the tip of the iceberg; I know there is more that I couldn’t think of in the last five minutes. Yep, it makes voting easier when I know I will never vote for a Republican again, not always real happy with the Democrats, but if I am voting for a bought politician I would rather at least that politician not be against me.  Have to go donate to Emily’s List now.

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  •  Congratulations! (9+ / 0-)

    Nice diary. Now that you've made the plunge, I look forward to seeing more from you.

    I don't think it is a stretch at all to consider the Republican Party a cult. They prey on ignorance and scare victims into sticking with them. What else could it be?

    "Those who dance are considered insane by those who cannot hear the music." -- George Carlin

    by sandyknauer on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 07:46:53 PM PST

  •  Not that it's my business (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Avila, Aunt Pat

    but if she's biracial, is she adopted, perchance?

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 07:48:38 PM PST

  •  Thanks for posting (7+ / 0-)

    and thanks for trying to explain things to your friend. She is young, maybe she will wake up some day.

  •  how 'bout: "Get lost loser. I have ZERO time for (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans."

    Works like a charm.

    The only path forward for this nation is the UTTER DESTRUCTION of this Republican Party.
    November 6, 2012 | OCCUPY THE VOTING BOOTH

    by NamelessGenXer on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 07:58:35 PM PST

  •  It's Very Hard to Talk Someone Out of an Entire (12+ / 0-)

    world view, especially the cult that the entire power structure of civilization is pushing. And it takes a long time.

    You have to give them a narrow, tightly confined area where they can doubt the authorities they presently follow, and find reason to suspect the motives of those authorities. If you go at people too hard, with too many areas of dispute, they very naturally feel defensive. They harden their positions and reject your arguments and supporting evidence.

    It's easier and faster to change the world by reaching enough of those who aren't lost to the delusions than it is to change one individual who's become committed to the cult.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 08:19:28 PM PST

  •  You've Voted For Republicans Before? (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    Why?  That would be your best argument.  Just tell her why you've switched.

  •  Renfriend, I hope it's okay I edited your (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    tags -- changed "Whomens rights" to "Womens rights."  I hope it's not that I'm unaware of a new movement...

  •  Nice diary-Congrats! I am constantly struck (2+ / 0-)
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    by the number of people I encounter who vote GOP by faith; their families have always been Republicans so they vote Republican. It's very common in Texas.
    The issues are not the factors that weigh in their voting decision, it's simply who they are. Never mind that they are struggling to support a family in an economic nightmare that their votes helped to create, they will bow up and argue when faced with "the facts".  
    It's when they are faced with a single issue that raises contradiction in their minds, that the crack emerges and there one can insert the wedge of doubt that starts the process of them realizing that facts quietly stated are different than opinions.
     

    Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21

    by Thousandwatts on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 10:01:19 PM PST

    •  It is hard to abandon your tribe (4+ / 0-)

      People who vote for a party because it's what their family/friends/etc all do aren't voting for a politician.

      They're affirming that they're part of the same tribe.

      Voting some other way means rejecting something pretty closely tied to their identity.

      I personally don't think "I'm a Democrat" or "I'm a Green".  I wasn't raised that way.  In my youth I even had a "I'll vote for the man not the party" period until the way the Republicans behaved in the Clinton years taught me that it didn't matter if an individual politician was normally decent, when push came to shove he or she'll mostly vote the way the party (and increasingly campaign contributors) says he should vote.   So it really matters to pay attention to what each party is doing.

      Right now I'm voting for politicians who are at least somewhat reality-based, over the ones who are doing magical thinking (or cynical lying.  Hard to tell sometimes)

      I'd like more real choices but I'd also like to not need the money my job earns me, so I could spend more of my life doing other things than work.   You work with what you've got.

      But for somebody like the friend described - voting anything but republican is like me cutting ties with my family.   It isn't going to happen easily.

  •  Just don't talk them into another one! (0+ / 0-)

    Remember that party before principle (any party) is the problem.

  •  I wish you luck. (0+ / 0-)

    You have taken on a big job.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Thu Feb 23, 2012 at 11:17:03 PM PST

  •  It's really hard to talk rationally to these (1+ / 0-)
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    people.  Facts are hard for them to accept.

    How about starting with some of the stuff that has been produced on George Romney - and point out that although Repubs used to be OK (make her feel good about herself) they've been taken over by greedy, misogynistic whackos?

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 12:38:07 AM PST

  •  The problem I see is (2+ / 0-)
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    your condescension (she's not a "deep thinker"). Maybe she's not a deep thinker, but insulting her isn't going to help you convince her the Democrats are "nice" people too.

    When you ask her why she supports the GOP, what does she say?
    Because they're "fiscally conservative"?
     Have her Google the last few presidents and find out who exactly was fiscally conservative? The only president to balance the budget in the last 30 years was Bill Clinton. The surplus he left to pay down the debt was spent in 3 years by the Bush administration, on tax cuts to his campaign donors.
    Because of "free markets"? Point to the collapse of our financial markets in 2008 by unregulated banks. Point out to her that there is no such thing as a "free market"- see any or all the of the free trade deals we have, all of them nothing but regulations to keep trade fair but not free from fees or regulations.
    You could also point her to articles about all the adulterated goods we have received from China over the last decade or two (drugs like Heparin, that killed 68 people, radioactive paint in children's toys, melanine in pet food, etc) to show her why free markets are a very bad idea.
    Because she's pro-life? You covered this pretty well in the diary, no need to elaborate on that!
    Does she believe in equality for all (LGBT rights)? or in outlawing contraception?
    Does she believe that the Constitution should be thrown
    out the window in favor of the "laws of God"?
    Some people simply to be pointed to the facts and left to their own devices.

    If you can separate sex from procreation, you have given women the ability to participate in society on an equal basis with men. -Gloria Feldt

    by skohayes on Fri Feb 24, 2012 at 05:05:25 AM PST

  •  Is that her whole argument for it? (1+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe

    That they're "nice people"?

    You might try pointing out to her that elections are not about whether someone is a "nice person", elections are about legislation, and what kinds of legislation someone supports.  Voting in this country has turned from an informed intellectual decision to an emotional decision based on childish criteria.

    Point out some of the legislation that Republicans favor that you know she will not agree with.

    I'd stay strictly away from any personal comments and personality comments, because after all...this is an argument that can be very well made based on facts about legislation.

  •  The "nice people" thing (1+ / 0-)
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    wilderness voice

    Ask her about what it is she likes about Republican policies in general and this candidate's in particular. Ask her in what way Republicans are nice and Democrats are not. She'll give you loads of stuff to work with.

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