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Ann Romney, Mitt's top policy advisor on women's issues (Jeff Haynes/Reuters)
Here's what CNN contributor Hilary Rosen said that has spawned so much fauxtrage among Republicans:
What you have is Mitt Romney running around the country saying, well, you know, my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues. And when I listen to my wife, that's what I'm hearing.

Guess what, his wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing in terms of how do we feed our kids, how do we send them to school and how do we -- why do we worry about their future?

Okay, maybe I'm just ignorant, but I think Rosen was totally wrong in what she said. It's clearly false that Ann Romney has "never worked a day in her life."

For example, Ann Romney is now Mitt Romney's top policy aide and spokeswoman on women's issues. That's tough work! And she's doing it during wartime, no less. And it's not just any old war: it's a war on women. And she's on the wrong side! I mean, would you like to defend giving employers the right to ban birth control coverage from employee insurance plans? Didn't think so! So let's cut her some slack: she's got a damn tough job. Nearly impossible, in fact.

On the other hand, Rosen's central point was obviously that Ann Romney has never had to deal with the same sorts of financial issues most women have had to face. And despite all the furor from Romneyland, that's a point that even Ann Romney herself acknowledges to be accurate. As she said earlier this morning: "I haven't struggled as much financially as some people have." Exactly! And that's the point Rosen was trying to make.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:21 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  advisors on public issues s/b "average" not $$$$$ (1+ / 0-)
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    •  (obama too) need "prince and pauper" to see all (0+ / 0-)

      you CANNOT ever just have one group of people speak for everyone... but if you are going to try to address the issues of   100 %   of any group.... women, blacks, gays, tall people, men in tights, ..... AND YOU ONLY GET ONE PERSON TO LEAD THIS EFFORT.... it should be someone who      ACTUALLY IS IN THE 50% area....

      women issues.... i would assume covers women from 13 to 113.... religous and not.... moms and working women...  and so on....

      hmmm.... a woman who works but raises a kid... who cares about people and has "been around".... held a job... married yet stand-alone-strong.... knows the public and private sector....

      HILLARY TAKE OFF THOSE SUNGLASSES AND APPLY FOR THE JOB!!!!!

    •  You're all making this much, much worse (0+ / 0-)

      Hilary Rosen said something that plays right into the narrative that feminists scoff at women who work inside the home.  

      If someone on the right uses the word "monkey" or "watermelon" in the same sentence as "Obama," you have no trouble seeing the problem.

      How you can allow someone to say "never worked a day in her life" about a wife and mother without standing up and screaming about it is beyond me.  How Hilary Rosen did it shows that sometimes even smart people can be as tin-eared as . . . Romney.

      Hilary Rosen needs to be ostracized for, most charitably speaking, her profound lack of judgment.

      •  I don't agree (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm a woman who had no financial choice but to go back to work after my son was born.  It was an agonizing choice.  I don't demean or belittle stay-at-home moms.  I absolutely envy the ability to spend that time with children, especially when they are young.  But I consider it to be a privilege, not "work."  Which is not to say that it's trivial, irrelevant, or meaningless.  But it's not a job.  

        IMO, saying that being a mom and a homemaker is "work" demeans the role, too, suggesting that it's just another thing to toil away at, and honestly interchangeable with a job outside the home.  That is, if being a mom is work, then why not be a fry cook at Wendy's?  It's all work, right?  So, who cares who raises the kids or if all the meals the family eats are fast food, mom is just working someplace different than the home?

        My pet peeve is the focus on who's a worker, and the idea that being a "worker" is the be-all end-all of human existence.  That's a right-wing frame.  It's the grating edict from Sir Toppam Hat on the Thomas the Train cartoons - you're only worth anything if you're "very useful" to society.  There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that being a mom and a homemaker isn't "work" the way that taking orders, punching a clock, and providing your labor for sale to others is "work."  We absolutely should turn this issue back around every time it arises by focusing on raising kids as a meaningful role, on who else is supposed to be raising our children.

        I just don't see anything wrong with Rosen pointing out that the vast majority of women don't have the choice to raise their kids anymore, and that it wasn't really a "choice" for Ann Romney, who has always been richedy-rich and never obliged to sell her labor at the expense of seeing her kids grow up.

        Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré

        by milton333 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 11:04:30 AM PDT

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      •  Not really (0+ / 0-)

        The point is not that she's a stay at home mom.  It's that she doesn't know jack shit about the kinds of problems other women have.  She's never had to worry about whether she could afford to go to the doctor at all.

        Some people worry about keeping their job when their car's not reliable.  Even if they would love the relative luxury of not having to go to work at all.  Ann Romney?  She doesn't even have to choose only one color of Cadillac, since she keeps two.

        Grab all the joy you can. (exmearden 8/10/09)

        by Land of Enchantment on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 11:37:28 AM PDT

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  •  Holy shit - it's Ann Romney central here... (14+ / 0-)

    Talk about taking the MSM bait - hook, line and sinker.  

    •  It's only for a couple of months. (2+ / 0-)

      Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

      by darthstar on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:35:31 AM PDT

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    •  This is the new normal. It's what campaigns are. (3+ / 0-)

      Controversial remark in the evening, worked into an attack overnight, pushed all day, repeat for 7 months. You can't avoid it, you have to participate and hope that your manufactured outrage is better than their manufactured outrage. It's terrible and bad for the country, but that's the wacky log flume our modern media creates for "political discourse". Are you not entertained!?!

      it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

      by Addison on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:44:57 AM PDT

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    •  I know right! WTF Daily Kos (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm hoping that when Michelle Obama gets attacked she gets this much coverage and diaries about how we shouldn't attack spouses.

      When Michelle Obama was called fat by that Congressman was that a front page story. The congressman made the case that Michelle shouldn't talk about healthy eating because she had a big butt. Hillary Rosen said Ann Romney shouldn't talk about economic issues for women because she has never had to face them.
      Double standard by our own people. If we lose this messaging battle it will be by our own sword.

      When the operation of the machine becomes so odious that you can't take part,you've got to put your bodies upon the gears;you got to make it stop.Indicate to the people who run it that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all

      by YoungArizonaLiberal on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:56:10 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, really (4+ / 0-)
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      I mean, yes, Ann Romney is completely playing the media for suckers when the REAL issue is that she has economic privileges most American woman don't that give her choices most American women don't have — and her husband's policies will worsen their position.

      There's another issue too. Hilary Rosen is a fringe character, a nobody who doesn't officially speak for any Democrats in power or running for office or for any Democratic organization.

      So if you want to hang her remarks on Democrats, then Republicans need to be effusively apologizing for every wacko remark made by any teabagger anywhere in the country. THAT will keep them busy.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:12:10 AM PDT

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    •  Since Mrs. Romney chimed in during (0+ / 0-)

      the same news cycle and took the focus off of that obscure Dem strategist, why not comment on it. Mrs. R blew it.

      Mitt Romney's Like A Box Of Chocolates. You Never Know What You're Gonna Get!

      by kitebro on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:16:37 AM PDT

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    •  No, the MSM is switch and bait today. (2+ / 0-)
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      They are making this an issue against Dems.  I've been listening all morning on MSNBC and it's apparent that they are misconstruing the point Rosen was trying to make.  If they won't set everyone straight we must.

      I'm talking to you, Andrea Greenspan Mitchell, et al.!

      I think it was perfectly clear what Rosen was saying, even as she used Ann Romney, wife of Presidential candidate cut programs for the middle class and poor, as a prime example of being out of touch.

      It's sickening.  Andrea keeps repeating that Michelle is a "stay at home wife" but never states that Michelle has worked hard before she became First Lady.. and may I add... Michelle is working daily at the WH.  

      This may be a distraction that we don't want or need, so we use it to show that once again, the Romneys haven't a clue about how the rest of the world lives, and in fact, they intend to destroy what little security the middle class and poor have, with legislation if they win in November. "Compassion" my ass.

      I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

      by KayCeSF on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:20:38 AM PDT

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      •  Mrs. Greenspan just said that Michelle never (3+ / 0-)
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        worked before "either."  Just flat out inaccurate in this ridiculous media shilling for the Romneys today.  Ugh.  I don't think I can take a year of this crap.

        If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

        by livjack on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:24:02 AM PDT

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        •  It's going to be a long haul... (1+ / 0-)
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          I hear you.

          I can't stand the bull hockey.  I hope Rachel puts this in perspective and puts it to rest.  Somebody on MSNBC needs to.  Maybe Larry O'Donnell?

          I fully expect Tweety to come up with some fluff n' ridiculous remarks. Gag me.

          I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

          by KayCeSF on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:28:24 AM PDT

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      •  It actually doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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        Continued discussion of this issue only hurts Repubs. It's the "I am not a crook" effect. As soon as you launch into that mode, you basically confirm what people are thinking. The way to deal with such issues is to avoid talking about it but to amp up the visuals. Romney speaking to women, Romney with women on stage, etc, etc. That's about the best he can do. Frontal assaults are too obvious. If Romney thinks he is going to close the gap with stuff like this, he doesn't understand politics.

        Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

        by Anne Elk on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:28:31 AM PDT

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        •  I like your analogy to "I am not a crook." LOL! (0+ / 0-)

          Well, I'm more frustrated with the talking heads today who are putting Dems on trial about a remark that clearly had encompassed more beyond Ann Romney... pointing to the lip service and hypocritical platform coming from all Republicans, especially Mitt Romney.

          I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

          by KayCeSF on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:33:08 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks. That was one of the greatest (1+ / 0-)
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            things ever said in politics. Nixon: the gift that keeps on giving. I am really happy to see the status of women being discussed.

            Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

            by Anne Elk on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:39:12 AM PDT

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            •  Yes, discussing the status of women is important, (0+ / 0-)

              even as Alex Wagner gifted one of her female panelists (didn't get the name) with the Q:  "Is this a gift to Republicans?"  And of course the woman excitedly responded in the affirmative.

              Instead, Wagner could have brought up the issues concerning women and the true importance of why Ann Romney was brought up by Rosen in the first place.  While Mitt marches out his wife, it only highlights the issues for women and WHY women feel there is, in fact, a war on women by the Republicans and Mitt Romney.  But Wagner didn't want to get into that discussion.  She would rather smile and cause more drama that has nothing to do with what Rosen was trying to say.

              Oh, and now Tamron is going to do the same thing when her segment starts?  Bah!  

              I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

              by KayCeSF on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:49:11 AM PDT

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              •  Actually, it seems Tamron is (0+ / 0-)

                trying to go at a different angle about this.  She's trying to talk the issues concerning women, and showing Romney is lying or making false claims about what Obama has done or not done with women.  Also bringing up Sam Stein's audio where a Romney staffer wouldn't answer about whether Romney supported the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

                Thanks Tamron for digging deeper.

                I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

                by KayCeSF on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 11:26:28 AM PDT

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    •  I agree. We should drop it. (0+ / 0-)

      It's not the first dumb remark and it won't be the last, but don't give it more legs. Don't google her name, don't tweet about it, don't post an opinion on Facebook - it will extend it into next week. It is a pretty deep cut - cutting into Obama's lead among women. But let's not make it worse.

  •  She's never had to DEPEND on working (21+ / 0-)

    a day in her life, and that's the point.  Ann Romney has no insight into the decisions that working women and working women face and deserves to be criticized for her lack of standing on related issues.  

    Rosen's comment was perhaps inartful, but it was accurate.

    •  IT'S NOT ABOUT WORK!!!!!! (7+ / 0-)

      It's about COMPENSATION!

      Sorry to shout, but let's get the message right.

      Ann works.  She works hard.  She works with a disability that often puts people out of work.  And her family depends on her--more so than most, given that Mitt has been a politician or a businessman most of his life, with its demanding schedule, etc...

      But Ann Romney has never had to worry about compensation for her work.  She doesn't have to worry about whether she should save for retirement or for her kids' college education.  She never had to watch men with less experience pass her by in her career.  She never had to worry about if she would lose her job if her child developed a chronic disease.  She never had to beg an ex-husband to honor a child support agreement.

      You can have all the compassion in the world for these sorts of things, but unless you or your close circle of friends has been through this, you have no real idea what it's like.

      •  How is "compensation" not related to "work"? (0+ / 0-)

        She can choose what type of work she does.  Certainly her family depends on her, but they could depend just as much on hired help who would do that work for her because she can afford that.

        We clearly agree - you're overreacting based on a semantic distinction that I don't find wildly significant.  We're all talking about work here.

    •  I sort of like Rosen, but working women (0+ / 0-)

      have been slapped around so many times before about this ... this is not new.   It's been a issue before and how Rosen can walk into that trap is beyond me.it was a dumb mistake and gave Romeny an easy opening.  .  There are so many ways to deal with the issue of upper class women without falling into this trap.  obviously we know that Ann did not have it bad but I'd stay with the two cadillacs rather than saying the dumb remark she hasn't worked a day in her life.  Rosen should appoligize and take a vacation with her many dollars she has in the bank from being a big lobbyist.  

      Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

      by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:51:24 AM PDT

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      •  I think it's a valid point (7+ / 0-)

        If she's worked at all, even doing housework, it's because she WANTED to not because she HAD to.

        If she scrubbed a toilet, it was because she CHOSE to do that, not because if she didn't do it, nobody would do it. She could easily pay for maids to do those things.

        If she didn't like her kids' school, she could find another one, and hang the cost. If they moved, they hired movers, they didn't pack things up themselves and rent a u-haul (if they did, they were crazy).

        Her entire life she's had the money to do, or not do, whatever she wanted.

        And that was the entire point that was being made.

        •  Exactly! Ann was fortunate to have all those (5+ / 0-)
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          choices!  Unfortunately, the choice most working women have is 1 job or 2 or 3 jobs.  Not NO job.   As the mother of 4 sons who had to return to my job 6 weeks (in one case 4 weeks) after giving birth.  I had to arrange daycare.  Had to rush  home to pick them up before I was charged late fees.  When I got home, had to start my job; get dinner on the table, assist with homework, get face time to hubby.  Do the dishes and fall into bed.  Does Ann have ANY idea what choices I made?  It is insulting to hear her talk about "struggling."   PUH-LEASE!  

        •  Well hindsight is great but Rosen should be (0+ / 0-)

          attacked for her dumb remark by everyone including this site.  It is a waste of time even trying to defend... let the media do that.  We need to attack the stupidity of Rosen's remark.   This is what you get when you let some lobbyist of the worst kind on to your team... she has no understanding of politics of the grassroots.... she is not from the grassroots.  She is an awful spokesperson for Democrats.  She is part of the problem we face, not the solution.  Rosen is exactly why we need to crash the gates... now I like Rosen personally but she is not one of us... she is part of the 1% and should be removed immediately as a spokesperson for Democrats.  

          Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

          by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:11:05 AM PDT

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          •  What was stupid about it? Because the media (3+ / 0-)
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            is framing it as an attack on Ann?  I did not see it that way at all.  

            •  The stupidity is so obvious. Why (1+ / 0-)
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              attack Ann for not working... she will immediately come bouncing back as have many (especially working religious women) and say only snobs think that working taking care of children while hubby works is not highly valuable.  It allows Ann, who has had a life of riley, to be on the side of the working at home women.  Stupid is what it is.  And again had Rosen hung out with working at home mothers like my mother she would have seen how her remarks could easily be used by Romney to be able to have what she doesn't have, some connection to women who don't have money.  This is because Rosen is in a bubble of weathy women who have it easy and she is rich.  We don't need these type of Democrats speaking for us.

              Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

              by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:21:18 AM PDT

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              •  meh--even stay-at-home mothers are not going to (4+ / 0-)
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                identify with Ann Romney.  No one today takes offense at being told that if they stay at home they "aren't working."

                What stay-at-home mothers fully realize today is that they are extremely FORTUNATE to have the choice to stay home rather than being forced to work (and I mean OUTSIDE the home, for heaven's sake) in order to keep afloat.

                So please knock off the 1980's gunk about the "controversy" over "career v. stay-at-home"  mothers.  It is an archaic and ridiculous argument.  No one even talks about freaking "career v. motherhood" any longer.  

                If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

                by livjack on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:31:06 AM PDT

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                •  livjack... yeah, then why is Obama (0+ / 0-)

                  going ape shit over Rosen's remarks... this is not what they want and not what I want.  But if she is stupid enough to actualy go into the 1980's gunk without even knowing it, then you have a problem. Like why is she a spokesperson for the Democrats?  It seems to have traction for lots of women who can't relate to Romney... their base... and yes, people do talk about "career v. motherhood"  Rosen for one, Ann Romney for two thanks to Rosen, and now Obama for three.  Tell them to knock it off and see how far you get.

                  Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

                  by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:44:34 AM PDT

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        •  I would like to know if she (2+ / 0-)

          had a housekeeper, maid, nanny and/or chauffeur. It would sure make raising five kids a lot less work.

        •  So I don't get it then. Are you saying that if (1+ / 0-)
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          she had a choice then it's not hard?  Are you saying that if she is rich, then being a mom and wife is less worthy?

            I don't get why Rosen's statement shouldn't at least warrant a clarification.  To sit here and defend it makes it look even worse in my opinion.  There are a whole lot of stay at home moms out there who have repeatedly been told that they never work by society in general and it will not go over well if we continue to act as if some stay at home moms are ok, as long as they have to struggle to do it.

           Each time anyone implies that Ann Romney didn't work, because they had money....well what about all of the other upper middle class stay at home/soccer moms.... who may have household help or a pool boy etc...How will that comment and later defending that comment go over with them?  There are millions of them...and don't fool yourself into thinking those types are all republicans...I know plenty of them and most I know are as liberal as they come....but also take their kid ballgames, school activities, cupcake making "job" very seriously.    I doubt highly they will see the that comment as anything but an insult, regardless of how Rosen meant it.  

          •  I'm saying if she had a choice, she needs to (5+ / 0-)
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            demonstrate how she connects with those who do not have a choice.   Don't tell me you know what it means to struggle.  How did you struggle?  

            When your husband's policies would hurt the very same women who are struggling to raise a family and work because they have to, not because they choose to, then you and he have to convince me that you do understand.  

          •  If you have a choice, (1+ / 0-)
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            then no, it's NOT hard. If it was too hard, you just wouldn't do it. Hell, she had enough money that if she wanted a day off to go to Paris and buy couture clothes, she could LEAVE THE KIDS AND GO.

            And that is the point. Anything she did, she did because she WANTED to.

            If she wanted to work outside the home, I'm sure she could have found an excellent, and very flexible, employer. If she didn't like the work, she could quit.

            If she cooked, cleaned, spent much time with her kids, or did ANYTHING, it was because she CHOSE to do it.

            Even most parents who do stay home with the kids don't have those choices. They don't have maids to do the housework, and nannies to help with the kids, and gardeners to mow the many lawns, cooks to make the dinners and even buy the food. They don't have the money for special schools, or riding lessons, or trips to Europe.

            Most parents who stay home have to watch their pennies, shop frugally, perhaps forego vacations, drive old cars (or maybe only have one vehicle), and do it because they want to take advantage of those few years of childhood. They know they're LUCKY to be able to do that at all, because many people can't.

            Nobody thinks they don't work. But they do have a lot of control over their lives, in a way that somebody who has a regular paying job doesn't.

  •  All Dems need to say when questioned or confronted (9+ / 0-)

    by faux outrage on this is simple:

    As Ann Romney herself pointed out, she hasn't had to struggle financially the way that most working mothers in this country have.  And that was Rosen's point too.  So they're not in disagreement and we should just move on.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:34:53 AM PDT

    •  why move on? (8+ / 0-)

      I think it's a core difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

      The Republicans have no idea what it means to struggle financially to raise a family.

      Ann Romney "worked hard"? Well, sure. Now what about women who raise the family and need to earn money for food and clothing and health care? That's reality for far more Americans, which is the whole point of the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

      •  Not true (0+ / 0-)

        I relatives who are Republicans and are really struggling. Of course they blame the Dem's for causing the economic problems.

        People with hatred in their hearts never live up to their full potential. It's very sad.

        by Nelsons on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:51:58 AM PDT

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        •  It's not about the duped individuals (2+ / 0-)
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          It's about the Republican Party's core message which is to not look out for anybody, but constantly attack struggling people for making poor "choices."

          Democrats believe we're in this together; Republicans believe each person is in it alone.

          Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

          by anastasia p on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:15:16 AM PDT

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    •  It's even simpler than that (5+ / 0-)

      The message is that Ann Romney has always had the financial security to make any choice she wanted. Most American women don't have that economic choice. What's Mitt going to do to give them choices – including unfettered access to affordable contraception?

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:13:59 AM PDT

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  •  I love pictures of people unconfortable in (4+ / 0-)

    their own skin.  Mitt looks like a wooden Indian outide a cigar store.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:34:56 AM PDT

  •  If HR has to explain it, it was a mistake (7+ / 0-)

    She stepped in it no matter what she was trying to say.  The Obama team knew that immediately which is why they denounced it post haste.   Front page posts on a high profile blog does nothing but keep this issue alive.  We should follow the lead of the Obama re-election team here and say it was wrong and move on.  

    •  You are so right! (2+ / 0-)
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      She blew it and it is even more useless to try to defend it. If it didn't get across what she wanted, it was wrong. As soon as I heard it I said "Ouch, that's going to leave a mark!"
      Don't give them opportunities for "faux outrage" (I like that phrase).

    •  And how many people .. (0+ / 0-)

      outside the Beltway Cocktail weenie circuit/Sally Quinn parlor-party circuit even know who the hell Hilary Rosen is?  And if anyone does .. they probably despise her .. and I bet you can guess why

      •  is the guess because (0+ / 0-)

        she is an open lesbian? Those of us who do know her would easily assume that is what you mean.  The reason we don't want Rosen as a spokesperson for the Democrats is because of her association as a lobbyists and not the good kind, like environmental groups, but the money making kind who are willing to run over their stay at home grandmothers for a quick buck.  She was one of the most powerful lobbyists outside the gas, oil, finance and insurance industry in Washington.  She is well known in those circles of power.  She has no grassroots connections and is a class snob.

        Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

        by john from vermont on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:37:05 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Why on earth did Obama (0+ / 0-)

      say ANYTHING? Hilary Rosen is nobody; she speaks for herself. Do all the top republicans stand up and repudiate the remarks of every single teabagger anywhere when they suggest someone should shoot the President? This has been said by Republican elected officials? Where were John Boehner and Mitch McConnell and Reince Preibus to denounce them?

      The Obama team made this about four million times worse by even acknowledging it. THIS IS WHY THEY DO IT — to get us to apologize and repudiate and renounce and look weak and cowering.

      Sheesh.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:17:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Because he WANTS people talking (0+ / 0-)

        about this issue. There is no way Romney benefits from talk about women in the workplace. It doesn't matter what is said ultimately. It only matters that the issue is front and center and that women by a margin believe that Repubs hate women's rights.

        Fructose is a liver poison. Stop eating it today.

        by Anne Elk on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:33:10 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I think we should look at (4+ / 0-)

    this 'I work hard', as a given, meaning all women work hard, no matter if they are at home or at work.  Just take that at face value.  Women have been denigrated since forever for 'staying at home and taking care of the children'. I don't think we should look at the hardness of work at home vs work outside the home.

    I think we should make it a point that the Romneys have been working at making it harder for women to work at home.  Since Mitt brought Ann into it, and she seems to willing to take that role, the framing should be that the Romneys have been making it harder and harder for women to work at home, being against women's healthcare, children's healthcare, women and children's SSI, public transportation, public education (not just K-12 but university as well), against even Medicare and Social Security, so even the grandparents can't stay home to take care of the kids.

    Speaking of which, in my opinion "women" should be taken out of the frame: we should say that the Romney's are making it harder and harder for ANYONE to stay home to take care of the children.

    "Conservatives care from conception to crowning." VetGrl " It's just a matter of time before the Republicans realize the Ten Commandments are "regulations."" TriassicSands

    by sailmaker on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:37:45 AM PDT

    •  Playing traffic cop (0+ / 0-)

      over the household help is not hard work, unless you are blond etc. etc.

      •  In my opinion (0+ / 0-)

        we should not go into the 'hardness' of work at home vs. work outside the home, for anyone.  We can go down the 'mile in someone else's moccasins' road', arguing about the hardness, and even relevancy of staying at home, but in my opinion this is an emotional distraction that will convert no one, which distracts from what should be the real issue: the 'choice' to stay at home  by anyone (mother, father, grandmother, grandfather) is being taken away by Republican party policies.

        "Conservatives care from conception to crowning." VetGrl " It's just a matter of time before the Republicans realize the Ten Commandments are "regulations."" TriassicSands

        by sailmaker on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:23:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And, see, in my opinion (0+ / 0-)

          We should not buy into the idea that you're utterly useless to society unless you can be classified as a "worker" in some fashion.  I think that's why society tends to write off the concerns of the elderly, the disabled, and children.  Not important, because they're not "productive."  I don't think we need to find some way to equate being a mom and homemaker with selling labor to the privileged classes.  I think we need to fight the meme that selling your labor to the 1% is the only thing that gives you worth in society, and moms have that worth only to the extent that their efforts can be described as "work."  

          I also think that, once you define a mom's role as "working," it's just a slippery slope to "relocating" that work outside the home. She's already working, right?  Why not just go get a wage-earning job?  It's not like what she does at home, raising the family, is in a different category than what she could do as a fry cook at Wendy's, right?  I resist that impulse to find raising kids and homemaking as equivalent to work for the very reason that finding the equivalency destroys the justification for stay-at-home.

          Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré

          by milton333 on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 11:37:23 AM PDT

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  •  I count 4 FP'rs how many more? (0+ / 0-)

    This is stupid.  And makes us look like we chase the squirrel.

    When can we get back to the issues?

    sigh.

    Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

    by EdMass on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:37:50 AM PDT

  •  Hey frontpagers... (0+ / 0-)

    I think everything that can be said has been said this morning...repeatedly.

    Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears' poncho? - Frank Zappa

    by JoesGarage on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:37:59 AM PDT

  •  Ann Romney is just as out-of-touch (9+ / 0-)

    as Mitt Romney.

    I think the Romneys would be more effective if they stopped trying to feign compassion, understanding, or empathy.

    Perhaps they would benefit by being themselves -- and looking in the mirror.

    They both exhibit patronizing attitudes.

  •  Speaking of out of touch first ladies (5+ / 0-)

    Barbara Bush will be on Fox today.

  •  Correction (3+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, Marjmar, Russycle
    "I haven't struggled as much at all financially as some people have."

    I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point -- race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.- Molly Ivins

    by shoeless on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:39:02 AM PDT

  •  No matter how many (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    We Won, JoesGarage, Bailey2001

    diaries show up on DKOS trying to defend Rosen, it won't change the fact that implying that stay at home moms don't work is a foot-in-mouth move and an unneccessary distraction.

    Of course Ann Romney has the luxury of choosing that option and hasn't worked outside home so has limited insight into struggles of most American families but sadly Rosen's clumsy phrasing has probably made that point harder to make now too.

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:39:59 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, that's real clever (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    We Won, JoesGarage

    and everything,   but there is little doubt that it was a stupid thing for Rosen to say.  Ann Romney is a pretty positive figure despite who she is married to and Rosen just looks like a dumbass.   Stick to bashing the Mittster.

  •  Mitt the Rolling Stone. (4+ / 0-)

    Politico:

    [Mrs. Romney] pointed to the number of times her husband would tell her, "Ann your job is more important than mine....he would say, my job is temporary...your job is a forever job."
    That's right, like the males of countless animal species on both land and sea, Mitt Romney thinks that being a father is a "temporary" job.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:41:24 AM PDT

    •  To defend him (0+ / 0-)

      (and I hate to do it) he was most likely talking about his day job, not being a father.

      Which is good news for John McCain.

      by AppleP on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:03:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Oh, yeah, I bet he was... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but "mother" and "father" are both jobs. Stay-at-home fathers are a thing, too. I just thought, given the context, it was a funny and revealing remark -- or it would have been if Mitt had ever actually said anything of the sort to Mrs. Romney.

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:08:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  hmpf (5+ / 0-)

    I'm willing to give as much compassion to Ann Romney for her MS as her defenders gave for Elizabeth Edwards' struggles with cancer.  Oops, wait, they made fat jokes about her.

    No, I'll rise above that.  I only want to keep it in the mix that Ann Romney's diagnosis didn't come until all but one of her boys had left home (the youngest was 16) and that it's highly unlikely that any part of her life was lived without someone to come help clean at least once per week.

    And the flip side of her choosing to work in the home is that she did that when her husband was actively destroying factory jobs that let other men's wives make that choice, creating Staples minimum wage/clerk jobs that guaranteed an employed parent would have to have other sources of income to raise a kid.

    •  I've seen several comments here stating that we (2+ / 0-)
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      Nina Katarina, Aquarius40

      should be compassionate because of her MS and Breast Cancer.
      I'm sorry, when did any of us bring that up? When did any of us attack her for that?
      Sheesh. I remember the day that Elizabeth Edwards died, FoxNews covered it in about 3 seconds and went on to another story. That weekend, I tuned to Fox to see if they were airing the funeral...guess what? they weren't!

      Two can play that game. But if our side is playing with our opponents we will lose.

      When the operation of the machine becomes so odious that you can't take part,you've got to put your bodies upon the gears;you got to make it stop.Indicate to the people who run it that unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all

      by YoungArizonaLiberal on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:59:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  and even then her faux compassion shows (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    yet another liberal, rlharry

    She did not say, "true, I have not had to struggle financially, in fact, I've enjoyed many luxuries."

    Nope.

    She has not had to struggle as much.

    It's a little thing, perhaps, but to me, reveals that basic, gutlevel inability to acknowledge:

    Yes, there is real hardship out there.  I can't imagine what it must be like.

    Because, you know, her husband's constituency boo at the word "compassion."  Even the poor saps who vote against their own economic interests, somehow it makes them feel big and important to have some undeserving class to sneer at.

    So, they pat themselves on the back for feeling sorry for the folks whose bodies they step over in the gutter, while turning their energies to making sure that, by god, we don't punish success, and by god, we make sure the welfare queens aren't stealing dimes out of our pockets.

    I wish someone would ask the Compassionate Ann if she thinks it's Compassionate for her family to pay 14% in taxes on $40 million in annual income, so that some working class stiff can pay for Bush's wars?

  •  did she ever HAVE to work for a paycheck (5+ / 0-)

    to feed, shelter, and clothe her family?

    no?

    then she is not qualified to speak for those of us who have.

  •  I am glad this is being put front and center. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    yet another liberal

    Republicans need to have their fake compassion shoved down their throat, rapid response style.  

    Ann Romney is an attractive lady and looks good on TV.  She speaks in full sentences and is self deprecating in an endearing way.  And I'm sure she's a very nice person.  But as a spokesperson for this issue, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

    Please let her keep talking.  And we'll talk back.

    Left is right and right is wrong.

    by busternjake on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:43:47 AM PDT

  •  a valid point (2+ / 0-)

    foolishly made is a political mistake. rosen can put this to bed by apologizing for her wording, and making the point you made.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:45:50 AM PDT

  •  A suggestion for MrR (partly off topic): (0+ / 0-)

    MrR, look into Angela Corey for your list of potential VPs.
    She's a woman (you need one somewhere), a respected Republican official, a rigorous prosecutor, a Floridian and a (Lebanese) minority.
    And she's the figure now seen as turning around one of the ugliest and most explosive affairs in our recent history.
    The Trayvon Martin case has refocused America on some of our  basic conflicts and injustices. Until Corey appeared on the scene, the killer's PTB supporters seemed willing to sacrifice all respect for objectivity, truth and justice, all legitimacy, unleash all devils in order to preserve their boy and the ideals he represents. [By the way, d'you know those folks? It's all on them, as the victim's family and their team have generally been models of restraint.]
    And, MrR, if  you can't promote Corey to precandidate for heir apparent, at least have her baptised as one of the Elect.
    Just a suggestion.

    •  Nooooooo (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      seriously70

      I was thinking she might be good as AG in Obama's second term.

      That is one impressive woman. At least, the little I heard  her was impressive. She didn't let those reporters push her around, and she made it clear what a prosecutor's job is.

      Their job is to fight for the VICTIMS. Damn straight.

  •  Mitt's sons are actually fighting in Iraq by (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    rlharry

    helping their dad run for president, so this family is one bunch of hard working heroic americans.
    Oh, and besides having to juggle maids and butlers, poor ann has to deal with mitt, unzipped. Scary job.

  •  Mitt please..... (0+ / 0-)

    Stop, not Bush compassionate conservatism.  Been there...done that.

  •  im so tired of this subject already (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PorridgeGun

    move on about it already, all this accomplishes is fanning the flames

  •  the beauty of righteous indignation (3+ / 0-)

    is the fact that it can be used to completely miss the point. "How can anyone attack that poor woman", they ask? They should be asking themselves why Mitt is taking advice about women's economic problems from a woman that has never known an economic problem.
    Mitt's been on the campaign trail and in politics for years, the reason he's heard nothing about women's issues is because he doesn't care. He doesn't care about women's issues, or about the poor, or about assimilation of races and genders or about the trials of gays and lesbians.
    He doesn't care about the workers who lost jobs because of his association with Bain and his wife doesn't care about anything but their own family and life. Which is all fine with me as long as they don't become the first family of the country.

  •  Drop this issue, PLEASE. (7+ / 0-)

    Fellow intelligent liberals, please hear me.  :)

    Yes, we were right about this.  Yes, we can articulate a very good argument that makes our point clearly.

    HOWEVER - please let this one GO.  We do not want this fight.  The other side is not smart enough to understand what we are saying.  All we're doing is giving them fodder that they can use to minimize our other arguments.

    Let's just drop the whole thing.

  •  Good Timing for Mitt! (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    alaprst

    Ignoring the hearts and minds of American women this early in the race is brilliant, about as marvelous as praising the budget that will starve their kids and deprive them of their healthcare.

    Honesty is not a policy, it's a character trait.

    by Says Who on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:55:08 AM PDT

  •  ...and then she hopped on her dressage horse (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Philip Woods, BOHICA, mmacdDE

    and rode off into the sunset.  

    What a commercial.

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 09:56:58 AM PDT

  •  Hey Mitt.....File your TAXES yets? (0+ / 0-)
  •  How many servants (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    does she have at home?  Maids, cleaning ladies, babysitters, cooks?  

    I don't know, but I assume she had more help than most.  Since she raised the issue, she should be asked about that.  

  •  I am sure someone else has mentioned it (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PorridgeGun

    but the Romney's have had help.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Must be tough to supervise all those maids, housekeepers, cooks and gardeners.

    Which is good news for John McCain.

    by AppleP on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:01:28 AM PDT

  •  Rosen's mistake was forgetting only the Right... (5+ / 0-)
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    skillet, ferg, Aquarius40, GOPGO2H3LL, Marjmar

    gets to criticize, comment on, or make unflattering remarks about a candidates spouse.

    You know, like they did with Kitty Dukakis (drug addict), Hillary Clinton (murderer), Michelle Obama (fat, angry, militant, etc, etc, etc).

    Leftists are to treat the spouses of GOP candidates, even if they are actively campaigning, like sacred cows.

    “Tax and Spend” I can understand. I can even understand “Borrow and Spend”. But “Borrow and Give Tax Cuts to Billionaires”? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:01:55 AM PDT

  •  How come when a Democrat makes a poorly-worded (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BOHICA, Aquarius40, Marjmar

    statement that is disrespectful of a highly-regarded group (John Kerry did the same thing), it causes a national outrage among RWNJs, but if a Republican attacks the wrong nation and gets 4000+ American troops killed and many more wounded... not so much outrage?

    Dogs are people, but corporations aren't.

    by Greasy Grant on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:03:04 AM PDT

  •  Just three little words... (2+ / 0-)
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    GOPGO2H3LL, Aquarius40

    Instead of saying "...has never worked a day in her life.", Rosen should have said "...has never had to work a day in her life."

    Since taking Rosen's words in context is out of the question for 90% if the Corporate Controlled Media, I'm sure the partial quote will be what's discussed at length this Sunday.

  •  Let's face it, being the wife of a psychopathic, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GOPGO2H3LL, ferg

    lying sack of shit IS hard work.

  •  What was stupid (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GOPGO2H3LL

    IMHO was anyone from team Obama to say anything, implying their need to respond in the media. Only the teanuts are going to connect the statement to Obama by default, UNLESS HIS TEAM FEELS COMPELLED TO RESPOND thus guaranteeing days of linkage.

     How many statements that Billo, Shammity, Beck, or Rushbo does Mitt Romney feel compelled to respond to? NONE if possible, they dont want to create a link, even if one may or should exist. Helpful Team Players for Obama are making this news, who gives 2 shits what the statement was in this era of TV Gotcha Punditry?

  •  It Was Not Only A Stupid Comment (0+ / 0-)

    But it allowed the Romney folks to seize the pseudo-high ground. Politically, it will sadly and ironically help him close the gender gap. Undeservedly.

  •  Raised 5 boys, did ya Ann? (2+ / 0-)

    The nannies don't concur.

    Now go get Ann one of her caddies on the car-a-vator.

    Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:17:59 AM PDT

    •  It was a stupid remark. (1+ / 0-)
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      middlegirl

      Period.

      In this instance, it was better for Rosen to have said nothing rather than going off message and saying this.

      Romney inserted his wife into the campaign; rather than attacking Mrs. Romney by saying she's "never worked a day in her life"; the criticism should have been aimed at Mr. Romney.

      Is he so out of touch with womens' issues that he has to get advice from his wife?

      What kind of president would he be to have to defer to his wife in all matters "woman"?

      Does HE understand what women go through?

      Of course not.  And that's what he needs to be hammered on.

      Yes, Mrs. Romney is a product of over privilege.  She has no clue what 99.99% of us go through.  We know that.

      But she shouldn't be attacked for that.  She's not running for office.

  •  Is it just me (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ferg, GOPGO2H3LL

    or is Ann's remark at the end of this article not the most perfect specimen of understatement ever uttered?

    "I haven't struggled AS MUCH financially as SOME people have"

    unfuckingbelievable

    •  Hey, (0+ / 0-)

      two Cadillacs are twice as hard for your servants to fuel as one.

      Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:44:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Democrats, here's your strategy. (0+ / 0-)

    STFU.  And win.

    Idiots.

    Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19:27 AM PDT

  •  Don't worry, plenty of Kossacks are coming to (0+ / 0-)

    her defense, buying into the 'attack on stay at home moms' RW BS hook, line, and sinker.

    Or trotting out the infantilization attacks on other Kossacks who refuse to buy into such, but not naming names when they trot out their ad homs so that they can't get the HR's ad hom attacks on other Kossacks deserve...

    •  I'm one of them. HR me if you like. It will be (1+ / 0-)
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      middlegirl

      my first one but I'll take it.  Rosen's choice of words was wrong and I won't defend them.  I will also state my opinion, as I have up thread, and if that means my opinion deserves a donut then by all means be the first to do it.

      I think stay at home moms are great, regardless of their income level and regardless if they choose to do it or not.  I couldn't do...it's harder than my job by a mile and I get paid to do mine.   Housewives, stay at home moms, soccer moms, even a rich Romney wife "work" everyday of their lives being a mom.  As a teacher, I have meant plenty of them of all income levels and they work hard.

  •  Ann is as touch with reality as Mitt is (0+ / 0-)

    Her snooty response to Rosen's innocuous statement just cost the GOP 5 more percentage points in women's support.  

  •  Romney's nanny, maid, cook WORKED! (1+ / 0-)
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    GOPGO2H3LL

    Ann Romney was more the rich man's wife who thinks telling the hired help what to do is "working".

    But still, Democrats are stupid and should totally pivot and say "Great to hear Romney's came out of pro-choice for women" vs. playing the GOP media game of boot licking over GOP media's intentional mis-read of comments about Ann Romney not being a "working mother".

  •  She's sooo relatable. (0+ / 0-)

    What a fucking fraud.

    Like hubby.

    Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 10:43:46 AM PDT

  •  Ann Romney, bite me! (0+ / 0-)

    Most women who have 5 children, also hold down a full-time job. They aren't lucky enough to have a "choice," or a HH Income of $250 Million, or drive a "couple" of Cadillacs, or have household help in 5 homes. STFU! Funny ... now she's a Republican who wants "Choice!" Obama 2012!

  •  notice how they alwasy use the term 'lady', as if (0+ / 0-)

    the rest of us are 'just' women.

  •  ann romney is a damn liar (0+ / 0-)

    She is no different than mitt.  They are both plastic and full of crap.

    Hey ann, shouldn't you be driving your two cadillacs?

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 12:23:00 PM PDT

  •  Does that mean (0+ / 0-)
    Ann Romney is now Mitt Romney's top policy aide and spokeswoman on women's issues. That's tough work! And she's doing it during wartime, no less. And it's not just any old war: it's a war on women. And she's on the wrong side!
    That we can now call her "Axis Annie"?

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Thu Apr 12, 2012 at 12:30:38 PM PDT

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