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Gail Collins:

My favorite American heroes are the ones who went for the long slog, even when their cause appeared to be hopeless to the point of ridiculous. Civil rights activists in the 1950s. Generations’ worth of suffragists who trudged around the country collecting signatures on petitions to give women the right to vote.

Also, anybody who works on gun control.

It's too soon for many of the pundits to wrap their heads around this (just as it is for many of us). Meanwhile...

WaPo fact checker Glenn Kessler waves a white flag over Bain:

So we are at an impasse. Because of the ambiguity, there is considerable room for interpretation of known facts. Going forward, unless new evidence emerges, on a case-by-case basis we may withhold the awarding of Pinocchios when the claim rests mostly on the question of when Romney stopped managing Bain Capital.
That's one less fact checker for Romney to hide behind.

NPR:

"Nobody really cares when he left. That's not what's relevant. And that's not what's gaining traction," says Frank Luntz, a Republican messaging guru.

"What is having somewhat of an impact, and I've seen it myself in the research I've done in Ohio," he says, "is a doubt, whether he connects to those who are economically challenged, who have already decided the Obama administration hasn't delivered for them over the last 3 1/2 years, but now aren't certain whether Mitt Romney will deliver for them over the next four years."

Maria Cardona:
Obama won 67% of the Latino vote in 2008. A few months ago, I would have said it would be a big challenge for him to repeat those numbers, especially given some disappointment among Latinos about the president's not being able to deliver on immigration reform, as well as his record on deportations. But he is now on track to gain the same amount, if not more, of the Latino vote.

This week, Latino Decisions released a poll that gives Obama 70% of the Latino vote to Romney's 22%, the highest support the president has enjoyed from the Latino community to date. If those numbers hold, it will be very hard for Romney to win the election.

Chicago Tribune:
Former President George W. Bush will not attend the Republican convention next month, his office said on Friday, skipping Mitt Romney's expected coronation as the party's White House nominee.

Bush supports Romney and believes he would be a great president, "but he's still enjoying his time off the political stage and respectfully declined the invitation to go to Tampa," spokesman Freddy Ford said in an email first reported by Politico.

Guess he didn't want to remind people of how close his advisors and Romney are.

HuffPost:

Massachusetts Tea Party activists are not happy with their state's Republican establishment.

At a meeting for the Leicester/Holden/Paxton/Rutland Tea Party group, grassroots leaders accused the Massachusetts GOP of being "too moderate" and "too elite," according to a report from GoLocalWorcester.

The state's GOP leaders are a bunch of "country club Republicans," said Jim McGrath, co-chairman of the LPRH Tea Party. Amongst other concerns, McGrath expressed concern that they hadn't done enough for state representative races.

NY Times editorial:
As Sheriff Joe Arpaio went on trial in Arizona this week for discriminating against Latinos and for usurping federal authority with his sweeping roundups of undocumented immigrants, a coalition of individuals and groups brought a related action in another federal court. The action asks the court to block enforcement of Section 2(B) of S.B. 1070, the notorious Arizona law that compels all law enforcement agencies in the state to copy and carry out the Arpaio model of harassment and humiliation.

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  •  Top 10 Conservative Reactions (5+ / 0-)

    Louis Gohmert said the shootings were because we've been attacking Judeo-Christian beliefs (which have always had a cozy relationship with guns). But what did other conservatives have to say about the Aurora shooting? Pottersville has the scoop.

    JP
    http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com

    Defending bad taste and liberalism since 2005.

    by jurassicpork on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 04:56:54 AM PDT

  •  Had President Bill Clinton skipped... (14+ / 0-)

    the 2004, 2008, or this upcoming convention, the mainstream media would pump it up -- and rightfully so -- as a huge story.

    I expect them to do the same for GWB not attending the upcoming GOP convention.

    I also expect to hit the lottery tonight.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:00:06 AM PDT

  •  Meanwhile over at Ted Nugent dot com (9+ / 0-)

    Pedophile and poacher Nugent is keeping it classy with a site opening drawing of him waving the same gun the Aurora mass murderer used.

    Ironically, the drawing is atop a quote:

    Ted Nugent is a singular influence, having an unbelievable impact on this industry. His ideological umbrella encompasses personal freedoms, accountability, harmony with nature and lawful responsibility by all. He presents his high impact philosophy to an ever-growing audience in a welcome, entertaining fashion with humor, and his incomparable rock guitar genius. Nugent is making a major positive difference with youth, legislation and society in general.— Carole Barnette, Assistant Attorney General, State of Michigan —
    Yes Madame AAG, the industry of death has never been better. Thanks Ted!

    -7.5 -7.28, A carrot is as close as a rabbit gets to a diamond.-Don Van Vliet

    by Blueslide on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:00:40 AM PDT

  •  The ripple effect (9+ / 0-)

    Lots of focus on guns and the shooter. I think about the thousands of unnamed family members of all the victims of the CO shooting whose lives will be changed in unimaginable ways. It will be a life sentence for many, most, from which some will never recover. A tragedy like this keeps on taking long after the stone was thrown into the pond. Very sad in so many ways.

  •  Battleground States (5+ / 0-)

    According to this handy chart by the National Journal on advertising dollars, Team Romney have spent $0 in the following states:

    Minnesota
    Michigan
    Wisconsin
    Pennsylvania
    New Mexico

    Surprisingly, Team Obama is heavily outspending them (Romney and his surrogate organizations) in Florida. Where is ground zero then? Virginia and, shockingly, North Carolina.

    http://nationaljournal.com/...

    •  Minnesota and New Mexico are not (2+ / 0-)
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      askew, joedemocrat

      swing states.

      In their latest ad defending Romney out on Fiday, Rove's American Crossroads also is not spending money on this ad in either Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.  Perhaps they do not see those states as gettable at this time.  Instead they are spending money in Michigan.

      Obama isn't spending money in Michigan.

      President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

      by Drdemocrat on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:13:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The NYT has... (0+ / 0-)

      185 solid electoral votes for Obama. If you include the five states you mentioned, that brings the total to 246.

      And that doesn't include:

      Colorado
      Iowa
      Nevada
      Florida
      Ohio
      Virginia
      North Carolina
      New Hampshire

      Obama could win Florida out of that group, lose every other state, and still win. And, frankly, I think it's quite plausible that he wins every one of those states in the tossup group.

      I'll be honest. Four years ago, I was 100% sure from a long time out that Obama would win. Right now, I'm not nearly as confident. But when I look at the numbers in black and white, my confidence grows substantially.

      How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

      by BenderRodriguez on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:44:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Whats's the increase in Black/Latino population (0+ / 0-)

        I am hearing about increased Latino population and registration in some of the swing states but has there been an increase in black population in some of the southern states as well? Guess am lazy to take up the census studies. Anybody care to help?

      •  it has to be a landslide to give me confidence (1+ / 0-)
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        in the american psyche

        the vote is the only thing the 99% have, and a really effective way to demonstrate, for all the world to see, that all that money doesn't work to move the masses, that we're not all brain dead

    •  I can tell you that the commercials here are (0+ / 0-)

      incessant. I don't watch much TV but when I do the repetition is just amazing.

      “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

      by stellaluna on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:44:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  So, if Frank Luntz says.. (8+ / 0-)
    "Nobody really cares when he left. That's not what's relevant. And that's not what's gaining traction."
    The discussion about Romney management of Bain is gaining traction, is relevant, and is exactly what people care about.

    He is 100% reliable, if you know how to read him.

    "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

    by Wayward Son on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:09:20 AM PDT

    •  I suspect too that the average voter doesn't (6+ / 0-)

      specifically care when Romney left Bain.  IMO what is far more important to voters is that Romney made money on outsourcing and he has offshore accounts hiding his money.

      President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

      by Drdemocrat on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:15:26 AM PDT

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      •  Bain only became relevant when Romney wasn't (1+ / 0-)
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        deflecting it effectively. It was how he was weaseling that drew their attention more than anything else. Least, how I see it.

      •  Yes. The general attacks about Bain were/are (3+ / 0-)
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        working. And whether he was at the helm for a certain period of time doesnt really impact the storyline.  The Romney campaign just threw the other side into the briar patch by parsing out what he did and when he did it. Thus giving our side a "legitimate" reason to bang the drums for disclosure of his tax records. He was doing a pretty good job of pretending that request was just a demand to go fishing into his personal life until he decided to make them relevant. I hope he keeps making such "good" decisions.

        “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

        by stellaluna on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:53:31 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  next phase is tying that (4+ / 0-)
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          to the ryan budget. That Romney would support draconian measures that help the rich is now more credible.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:55:36 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I heard Obama (4+ / 0-)

            intends to hit the Ryan plan hard, and explain what it means to seniors as far as Medicare.
            Hopefully they're paying attention.

            “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

            by skohayes on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:30:03 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  That will be both good politics and good for the (1+ / 0-)
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            Country. That budget is a death star to many Americans.  If the Administration is past pretending that the austerity game is legitimate financial strategy we will all be better off. Much better to show it for what it is, a budget designed to enable the Romney's of the world.

            “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

            by stellaluna on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:43:07 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  President Obama seems to be (2+ / 0-)
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              very sensitive to the screams of the GOP about the deficit.  When the deficit decibel goes up, he reacts by sometimes saying extremely stupid things, such as when he compared the federal budget to a household budget and then commits himself to deficit reduction negotiations that make things worse.

              The best thing about the Ryan budget is that it actually makes the deficit worse, but explaining that to the voters just increases the the sense that battling the deficit now is extremely important - pretty much a damned if you do or damned if you don't conundrum.

              "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

              by SueDe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:05:28 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  And that Romney got a salary (3+ / 0-)
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        Amber6541, One Opinion, Late Again

        Way more than the average worker for THREE YEARS without, according to him, doing a lick of work.

        I really expect to see that in an ad later on.

        On top of that, he was listed as CEO and did NOTHING, according to him.

        So why does the CEO get millions again? They don't do anything, and Romney just admitted it.

        •  Yep, I used just that argument (0+ / 0-)

          with a co-worker. "If he wasn't at Bain, how did he make in one year doing nothing what it would take you or I five years working our asses off?"

          Shut her right up.

          "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

          by ChurchofBruce on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 11:28:13 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Bain is like the Roman Empire (1+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541

      so MUCH to research - especially since Rmoney WANTS to be connected to Bain.

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:30:04 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I would run the dead baby story and make them (0+ / 0-)

      say he didn't run Bain then.  In other words keep attacking him on his job from 1977-2002 and have them keep bringing up the dates.  After awhile the voters will tire of their incessant whining over "stuff they don't care about".

    •  Who is our Frank Luntz? (1+ / 0-)
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      PorridgeGun

      The Obama campaign has done well thus far but the DNC ads are laughable.. at least the dancing horse one..No bite .. No sizzle.. and no connection to the 77k tax deduction. Couldn't they have gotten the point out that Mitt slashed MS spending in MA when he was Gov before they even pulled that lame ad?

  •  MA tea party members are not happy. (9+ / 0-)

    The HuffPo article could have stopped right there.  And the MA tea partiers are not alone.

    Tea partiers are not happy anywhere, with anyone.  These are angry, unhappy, frustrated people.  I doubt if any of them could actually explain what they're so angry about.  Taxes?  President Obama has cut their taxes repeatedly, but they still hate him.  The bank bailout?  I doubt seeing the banking system fail would have made them happier.  Their own economic circumstances?  Apparently not, since they're backing a candidate whose policies would make things worse for them.

    If they somehow happened to get their way, it wouldn't be long before they were angry at the state of their circumstances then.  They're just angry, and they have aligned themselves with a party that eggs on that anger, which they seem to enjoy wallowing in.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:09:21 AM PDT

    •  If they didn't know that its considered impolite (5+ / 0-)

      to be a raging racist they could probably sum it up in a few words or less. It amazes me to see how many completely unbelievable things they choose to believe about the President and his family to explain their outrage when it all boils down to one thing--there is a black man in the White House.

      “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

      by stellaluna on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:59:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  perhaps the Massachusetts (1+ / 0-)
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      terabthia2

      Teabaggers could buy some property in Mogadishu and move there too?  Could give them a renewed faith in government?

      Re-elect Barack Obama and elect Elizabeth Warren

      by al23 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:16:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Kid on the radio last night.....'I grew up during (0+ / 0-)

    911, Columbine, Viginia Tech'...explaining that Aurora was not that shocking to him. He went on to say that he admires NO political character in the US today.

  •  The Alabama bar shhoting was ... (4+ / 0-)
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    DRo, Amber6541, lyvwyr101, terabthia2

    in the headlines - but now it is nowhere to be seen.

    How many times do we have to have these mass shootings?

    Many studies show conclusively - more guns per capita equals more shootings.

    "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Candide08 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:22:00 AM PDT

  •  Michele Bachmann has raised $16.9 million (10+ / 0-)

    ....for her re-election bid to congress.

    Let those numbers sink in for a minute.

  •  Aurora will happen again somewhere else (6+ / 0-)

    We as a society have set up the conditions for these mass shootings to occur.  There will be more of them, and after each one we will say how awful it is and something should be done and why did this happen.  And we will continue to set up the conditions for them to continue to happen.  Is there intelligent life on planet Earth?

  •  Teachings from Jesus? (6+ / 0-)

    On evolution:

    On poverty:

    •  And what's so different about this? (0+ / 0-)

      Typical right wing bromides.  Obama's apparently finally learned his lesson with this asshole - lie down with snakes, get bit.

      •  It's very helpful to know (4+ / 0-)

        that I'm "rich" compared to Africans who live in mud huts in small villages, or Chinese peasants or the nomads in Mongolia.  Of course I live in the richest country in the world, but even so, I feel so much better now. /s

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:44:22 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  depends on what you're comparing our poor to (1+ / 0-)
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      ChurchofBruce

      Compare them to the poor in Africa, and yeah, they're better off.

      Compare them to the poor in the other civilized countries, and they're way, way worse off.

      Apples to oranges.

      Just point out that they're comparing the us to Somalia, and do we want to be like some third rate African country, and they'll backtrack that real fast.

  •  we're headed for a second civil war. (0+ / 0-)

    Within the next 20 years.

    Nothing can stop it now.  EVERYTHING that happens now, the two sides try to make hay out of.

    It is sickening.

    I think I may be done with this whole enterprise.


    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:30:40 AM PDT

  •  Breaking (not): NRA declares: "Guns don't kill (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ConfusedSkyes

    people, people kill people".

    "And anyway, if everybody carried guns (like in Harry Harrison's sci fi Deathworld series) eventually some of the bullets wizzing around would have gotten him".

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:37:51 AM PDT

    •  him, and 20 more people (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ConfusedSkyes, TofG

      great.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:38:55 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Can we restrict sales of ammo? (0+ / 0-)

      If we can't get restrictions on gun sales to stick, how about restrictions on the amount of ammo you can buy? My understanding is that this dude ordered via the Internet something like 6,000 rounds, for a semi-automatic weapon. Why is that legal? The "I just like to go deer hunting once a year" argument (or even the "I need one bullet in case someone breaks into my house") doesn't really stretch that far.

  •  Pundits and Politicians making hay on tragedy (5+ / 0-)

    Politicians and pundits always use tragedy just as they continue to use 9-11 to profit and take rights and wage war.  What politician was it that said never let a tragedy go to waste?

    We need to be helping victims and families not politicians..   With 300 plus million people there will always be those that are mentally unstable.  A most important element is not creating copy cats.  Mental health requires more emphasis instead of lip service.

    Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

    by dailykozzer on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:43:51 AM PDT

    •  Every politician thinks that (3+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541, rageagnstmach, dailykozzer

      no tragedy should go to waste, whether they say it out loud or not.  It's part of the job description.
      If you haven't done so yet, read Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine."

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:48:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The news media will never waste a tragedy (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        SueDe

        either.  They profit from tragedies just as they profit from pundit created political disharmony that leads to money for political ads.  

        My concern with the media's constant drum beat and over analysis is the potential for promoting copycats who wish their own attention.

        Thanks for the rec on the book.  I've always wanted to read it.   Have you seen the documentary by that title and how does it compare?    Wasn't she a believer that that major world events (obviously not something like this movie tragedy) happen for a reason and the implications, outcomes and pushback were predetermined.   By deduction that could mean such events are orchestrated for the purposes of public opinion.  

        Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

        by dailykozzer on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 10:04:19 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The way you explain it, it (0+ / 0-)

          sounds conspiratorial - the book does not set up conspiracy theories.  But it does examine the manipulation of "reality" that is possible in the wake of financial, cultural and societal shocks to the body politic.  You will enjoy the book, and although you will be outraged at some of her examples of such manipulation, you will also be enlightened.  Future manipulations will be easier to spot.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 08:11:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Conspiracies aren't just theories (0+ / 0-)

            They have happened in the past and were covered up and they continue to happen.   Where there is smoke there is typically fire.   Very little happens geopolitically that hasn't been thought through by the PTB on all angles,   as to the beneficiaries and losers.  

            Prior to the internet the ONLY opinions we received came from the paid media talking heads,  and from books that publishers deemed profitable enough to publish, or movies that producers considered politically acceptable.     I'm  surprised  that "Inside Job" was produced which provocatively covered exactly how Americans and the world were screwed out of jobs, retirements, their homes so that banksters and money changers could profit on the loss of others.  

            With the advent of the internet and discussion forums and now the social media,  average people can put out hard copy of their opinions and allow all to read and rationalize, discuss,  or disagree.     The muzzle is temporarily still there to promote the double standards and a few subjects are not discussed as freely as they should be,  but that will change.  

            While technology as stolen the privacy of the masses,   it has given voice to the masses.  

            Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

            by dailykozzer on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 02:50:03 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Glenn Kessler already damaged his brand (4+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:54:55 AM PDT

  •  Chris Hayes depositing a turd in Wllard's Olympic (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, tb mare

    Rugged Individualism meme.

  •  Luntz would say the same thing no matter (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, PorridgeGun

    what the data actually showed. It is part of his messaging and meme activity. Deny or decry things and hurt, change the subject, use your own weaknesses to attack your opponent's strengths.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:21:37 AM PDT

  •  Republican obstruction has slowed the recovery. (6+ / 0-)

    We all know that.
    That is going to have to be on the "top 3" list of election year memes .

    No matter how bad things get for Romney, the media keeps falling back on "Obama failed to deliver on the economy".

    We can find fault with the WH on the failure to pivot to "jobs, jobs, jobs" after the ACA was passed, or other specifics, but the fact is that without the gop obstruction the economy would be making the kind of steady, slow, sustainable "non-bubble" progress that would put people back to work for the long haul.

    I think it's critically important that Dems make the gop obstruction a major theme in the next couple of months.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:06:00 AM PDT

  •  I want to play Glenn Kesslers game. (1+ / 0-)
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    PorridgeGun

    You remember it went...

    To accept some of the claims, one would have to believe that Romney, with the advice of his lawyers, lied on government documents and committed a criminal offense. Moreover, you would have to assume he willingly gave up his share to a few years of retirement earnings — potentially worth millions of dollars — so he could say his retirement started in 1999.
    So let me play too, Mr. Superfluous 'n.'

    Let's remember Rmoney's latest explanation is he took leave in 1999 with the intent of returning to Bain once he saved the Olympics, but decided later on to 'retire retroactively.'

    Well to accept that claim, one would have to believe that Rmoney decided to leave the company he built over 15 years, and of which he was the director and sole shareholder, to somebody else, with the intent of coming back later and resuming leadership of that company, without any input whatsoever in the interim.

    No.  Fucking.  Chance.

  •  "Our hearts may be broken"--- (0+ / 0-)

    but the legislation doesn't change---does it?

    http://www.commondreams.org/...

    "But the protesters were only armed with chalk---the cops had guns and batons----and they were beating the protesters."

    by lyvwyr101 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 08:30:04 AM PDT

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