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The 24-year-old man police say opened fire early Friday on a movie audience was a doctoral student at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, described by those who knew him as clean-cut, quiet and responsible.

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In the summer of 2008, Holmes had worked as a counselor at a summer camp in Los Angeles.

All indications are that prior to this incident, Mr. Holmes was a young, white, accomplished male with no prior criminal record or even a hint of unwillingness to conform to accepted social norms. He didn't have on a hoodie, or wasn't walking around with his baseball cap turned sideways. He wasn't the wrong color. He obtained his weapons legally. Obviously, someone like him should never be stopped and frisked by the police for no reason at all. Because really...what kind of danger could someone like that cause?

In 2011, just about 700,000 people in New York were stopped on the street, put up against a wall, and searched for suspicion of carrying a weapon. Almost all of them were Black or Latino. A weapon, which could be anything from a pocket knife to a handgun, was found just 1.9% of the time. In 2002, the NYPD stopped and frisked 98,000 people, usually during the course of an arrest or "hot pursuit" investigation. The racial distribution somewhat matches New York's demographics. For all the work put into Stop and Frisk, millions of people of color simply thrown up against a wall and patted down simply for being outside, NYC's annual number of murders declined from 587 to 532. What's interesting is that despite the overwhelming number of frisks being conducted on Blacks and Latinos, the rate at which illegal weapons were actually found was higher for Whites.

Some folks are going to dismiss Mr. Holmes' brand of murder as "crazy" or "sicko" or whatever. I don't know. I'm no psychologist. What I do know as that we have our law enforcement priorities all wrong in this country. Racial profiling doesn't work. If it did, how would it have stopped Mr. Holmes?

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  •  I get your point, but (7+ / 0-)

    frisking of Holmes would of course have been either entirely unproductive, or during the last little while before he opened fire, entirely superfluous as various of his equipment must have been plainly visible.

    I do wonder if we're coming to a point where everybody gets routinely stopped and frisked to try to get a handle on this kind of mayhem though. Kind of like a greatly expanded anti-drunk-driver roadblock program.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 12:09:53 PM PDT

  •  So are you saying you are against stop and frisk (0+ / 0-)

    entirely or just the racial bias of it?

    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

    by Farkletoo on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 12:17:06 PM PDT

  •  TOTALLY Agree (1+ / 0-)
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    What I do know as that we have our law enforcement priorities all wrong in this country.
    This has been evident for some time now. regarding the movie theater scenario, this is not the first attack. it's the deadliest, but not the first.

    Theater owners, for these premiere movie openings, IF they cared about their customers, would simply hire some basic security guys to check bags and costumes of the patrons prior to entering the facility. and there has to be a guy posted on side exit doors- from the theaters themselves.

    I'm not talking about heavily armed, menacing looking guys. a basic, well trained guard would have stopped Holmes cold. seeing the gaurds at the theater, he may have turned and went home, as it didn't figure into his little plan for glory.

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 12:57:04 PM PDT

    •  Where does it (13+ / 0-)

      end?

      Theater owners, for these premiere movie openings, IF they cared about their customers, would simply hire some basic security guys to check bags and costumes of the patrons prior to entering the facility
      We cannot live in a fucking climate of fear everywhere we go.

      It is time to #Occupy Media.

      by lunachickie on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:10:03 PM PDT

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      •  It ends with everybody carrying (7+ / 0-)

        a concealed handgun at all times.

        ALEC and the NRA are all over that...

        Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
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        by litho on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:14:04 PM PDT

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        •  That's just as unreasonable (6+ / 0-)

          as frisking us every time we go to the movies or go to a ball game or get on an airplane.

          What's next--the grocery store?  

          It is time to #Occupy Media.

          by lunachickie on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:17:03 PM PDT

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        •  That's the NRA wild west rugged individual.. (6+ / 0-)

          ..story-line they've been pushing for years.
          Huff Po - January 25, 2011 11:24 AM
          If We All Had Guns, We'd All Be Safer

          Opponents of gun control argue that there would be less crime if more people were armed. Because Virginia Tech's gun-free "safe zone" policy ensured that none of the other students or faculty would be armed, no one was able to stop Cho. The same argument for arming teachers was used by gun proponents for Columbine. Arizona's gun laws are among the most permissive in the country, yet no one stopped Loughner. None of the mass killings were ended by armed civilians. It was either the police or the shooter ended the spree by shooting himself.
          It's ridiculous on it's face
        •  This guy had full body armor , if people tried (0+ / 0-)

          to shoot him, it could have been far worse as they would have failed and surely shoot too.

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          by wishingwell on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 08:28:10 PM PDT

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      •  OK, Please stop witht this nonsense (0+ / 0-)

        I am not talking about frisking people for every movie.

        I said Premier movie openings, because that's what attention whores do. They show up at big well attended events for their "performance".

        I do think we need to talk about the wisdom of midnight movie premiers. obviously it was easier for Holmes to do what he did.. with the cover of darkness and people not seeing as well as in the daytime

        "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

        by Superpole on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:17:27 PM PDT

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        •  OK, when you do the same. (5+ / 0-)


          What's next? Where does it end?

          Answer the question, please. Where does it end?

          It is time to #Occupy Media.

          by lunachickie on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:19:13 PM PDT

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          •  the terrorists have won just by forcing the (3+ / 0-)
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            question along with all the ridiculous security theatre we've been exposed to since 9/11....

            There is no stopping a crazy who's willing to expose themselves to possible death to carry out their attack.

            All we can and should do is continue to live life and give the crazies the finger while doing it. Any change to normal life and they've won at least this battle....what they want is fear, they feed on it like vampires....Deny them that and we (civilization) win.......

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 02:34:25 PM PDT

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            •  So how come nobody ever calls DHS on it? (4+ / 0-)
              the terrorists have won just by forcing the question?
              You're exactly right:
              There is no stopping a crazy who's willing to expose themselves to possible death to carry out their attack
              The ultimate point of these repeated reactionary exercises also serves to get us all used to giving up a little more freedom here, a little there; more, always more, again, and again. What happens, do you think, once we've given it all away?

              It is time to #Occupy Media.

              by lunachickie on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 04:20:48 PM PDT

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              •  because those in the position to call them (3+ / 0-)
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                on it make too much money off of it.  Simple greed and lust for power....

                The result if we let them is a totalitarian state and we're sliding down the path.......

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:17:25 PM PDT

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              •  What happens when a republic becomes (3+ / 0-)
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                a plutocracy?  Specifically, America, in the not too distant future? That would mean ows, etc. had failed. Will it continue to degenerate or rise up finally?

                Meanwhile climate change, water, food and energy shortages, pandemics and toxins will add to the confusion and pain.

                I still have to believe we can turn it around before then. I do have some concerns about how 300,000,000 (+?) guns in the country, and unknown amounts of stockpiled ammo, will affect the outcome.

                In NYC we have the ineffective stop and frisk law that targets black and brown people while giving white guys a pass. And all over the country we have the NRA trying to be sure there are plenty of guns sold, even to lunatics.

                A voice of sanity in the horror. Bill Moyers, video essay.
                Living under the gun

                Written form @ alternet Colorado Shootings: Latest Evidence That America Is Poisoned by the NRA's Dark Gun Culture

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                by Ginny in CO on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:21:32 PM PDT

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          •  Thank you for these posts--lunachickie. (0+ / 0-)

            You know where it ends?

            When there is a concerted-national-grassroots-effort to demand more restrictive gun laws---- and saner legislation regarding the existing gun laws.

            People can go on and on regarding who should be frisked---where security guards should stand---how many security guards we need...etc.....etc....etc.

            So much for that.

            People in this country are afraid of being called unAmerican---- if they criticize  gun-rights in any way.

            When the NRA wants to change the gun laws they tell people the Constitution is just a piece of paper----when they are being criticized over lax gun legislation they shove that same Constitution up their asses and fart the Star Spangled Banner.

            They're in it for the money---and they've basically managed to silence the majority: we cower in front of a friggin' lobbying group.

            It will end when the American people demand that it ends.

            That's when it will end.

            "But the protesters were only armed with chalk---the cops had guns and batons----and they were beating the protesters."

            by lyvwyr101 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:04:50 AM PDT

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        •  Think it through, please (2+ / 0-)
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          OK - you don't want intense security at every place the public gathers at any time. Just "big attractions" like premiers, or store openings, or maybe events involving certain celebrities. And those should not take place when it is dark out. (Or raining out, or snowy out?)

          Sorry, - you are looking to assure perfect safety in an imperfect world where such safety can never be assured unless we are under a totalitarian security state.

          from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

          by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:06:24 PM PDT

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  •  I know the national media... (5+ / 0-)

    is bound and determined to make this guy a celebrity, but it would be nice if dkos didn't do it.  Couldn't we just refer to him as the Aurora gunman, or something like that?

  •  frisking wouldn't have helped, anyway. (4+ / 0-)

    He went out the back fire-door, propped it open a bit, and went and got his guns out of his car in the parking lot.  Then he came back in and started.

    I think he wanted to show how smart he was.  How he could be an arch-villain, and out-smart Batman.

    but Batman doesn't exist.


    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:16:51 PM PDT

  •  Employing People at Movie Theatres (0+ / 0-)

    might have helped. Our local multiplex is ridiculously understaffed for the square footage it occupies. I fail to see how a big dude with bags of guns made it past the ticket taker without arousing suspicion. I can't walk into a movie with a backpack containing a Coke Zero bottle without sweating a little that someone will bust me and confiscate my contraband.

    Bigger police presence or more equally applied coercive measures may not be necessary. How about just keeping more eyes on the crowd? Oh but that would mean fewer vacations and bonuses among the bean counters trying to bring down costs at Big Multiplex.

  •  rAmen bbb (9+ / 0-)

    Walking while brown or black is way more scary than packing while white.

    "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

    by high uintas on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 01:41:29 PM PDT

  •  He worked as a "counselor" in a summer camp ? (0+ / 0-)

    OMG, looks like someone who looks to get some relief talking to a counselor needs to conceal  at least a teaser gun these days ...

    Heh, guys, let's play "shooting each other". It's so much "fun" and so "healing".

  •  Stopped Holmes No. Stop & Frisk is the politically (3+ / 0-)
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    .. cheap & easy way out.
    Gun laws are politically scary  (Dems got hit hard after 1994).
    AP - Jul 21, 4:03 PM EDT

    In 1994, Congress approved a 10-year ban on 19 types of military-style assault weapons. Some Democrats quickly came to believe the legislation contributed to their loss of the House a few months later.
    [snip]
    By 2004, when the assault weapon ban lapsed, congressional Democrats made no serious attempt to pass an extension. President George W. Bush was content to let it fade into history.
    Stop & Frisk is racial profiling under the guise of doing something about gun violence for the politicians too scared to confront the NRA imo
    Times Ledger
    Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly recently pointed to these incidents to justify stop-and-frisk, but City Councilman James Sanders (D-Laurelton) said they serve as an example of a failed policy.
    [snip]
    Sanders had actually held a press conference the day before in Springfield Gardens, decrying the violence and advocating for other policies — such as stricter gun laws and gun buy-backs — as effective alternatives to stop-and-frisk.
    Bloomberg is a good example of pushing a policy (that doesn't work) to enhance his gun crime creds. He's not alone
  •  Some well-made points in the main diary; sadly (6+ / 0-)

    hi-jacked early on in the comments.....

    We never will be a society that shuts down situations like this----and if we want a free country; it shouldn't be.

    Now the issue of gun control or internet purchasing of ammo might be another matter entirely.  The control by big $$$$ over that issue is a whole 'nother story.

  •  "Those who would give up essential liberty to (4+ / 0-)

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    Benjamin Franklin

    Bloomberg's anti gun politics helps him try to justify stop and frisk. It time to say to him that he has gone too far.

    •  When did American's become so afraid (5+ / 0-)

      shaking in their shadows like whiney little titty babies.  I have never understood why good people let bad people dictate their lives.

      "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

      by Sychotic1 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 02:57:12 PM PDT

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      •  As we have gotten safer (3+ / 0-)
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        We have increased our expectation of perfect safety. Collectively we push to decrease more and more the statistics of harm - auto accidents, head injuries, random shootings, food poisoning, whatever. In additiion, the spread of news coverage lets us learn of one or another failure of perfect safety in other communities that in the past we would not have even known about.

        from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

        by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:00:07 PM PDT

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        •  Somewhere I read there is a correllation between (2+ / 0-)
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          how much news one watches and how fearful one is.

          I guess I am lucky I don't watch television.

          "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

          by Sychotic1 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:32:51 PM PDT

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          •  Pretty logical (1+ / 0-)
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            "News" is going to be something new and unusual. As historically noted - it's "man bites dog", because " dog bites man" isn't very newsworthy.

            So the news tells us about shark attacks, and child abductions, and mass shootings, and mothers drowning children. These are on the news because they are uncommon events, but they plant the notion that such events are more common (and require greater precaution and concern) because nobody is proportionally covering stories of the "dog bites man" sort - people going to work, and buying groceries, and taking the kids to soccer camp, and planting tomatoes and on and on and boringly on.

            from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

            by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:44:12 PM PDT

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  •  We'd have a Wall St. equivalent of Stop & Frisk.. (5+ / 0-)

    ...if we had an iota of sane, proportional response to crime and its social, & individual harm or crime prevention.

    Something like a real time audit version of Stop & Frisk for financial transactions. Oh and a 3-Strikes equivalent for the banksters & traders.

    We need to go back to harping on Law and Order and Crime Bills but focused on the real everyday criminals, the ones responsible for corruption 6 degrees deep from everything they touch. They're the ones who should be afraid - afraid to go out of the house, afraid to use the internet.

    Dems and Republicans alike are too cowardly and implicated to finger the real crooks and worse, take their campaign contributions.

    What the public really needs is to metaphorically arm and armor ourselves against the real threat - Wall St. and gov't corruption.  

    Let all Bush tax cuts expire and , bring on the Sequestration cuts to defense.

    by kck on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 03:03:26 PM PDT

  •  I suppose waiting till the next day to (2+ / 0-)
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    politicize the deaths of these people is okay.  

    The sky is not falling. But it is going to heat up a bit.

    by thestructureguy on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 03:23:08 PM PDT

  •  that mug shot looks like a smirk (0+ / 0-)

    it should have a blue dot over it , in respect for the victims and all those who loved them.

    •  Looks more like (0+ / 0-)

      he's delusional, like he thinks he did a great deed.  Fevered brain.

      Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

      by delphine on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:59:06 PM PDT

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  •  So you think he should have been stopped and (3+ / 0-)

    frisked?

    How about, there's laws put in place that people with mental problems shouldn't have access to guns.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 04:42:54 PM PDT

  •  these massacres are perpetrated (7+ / 0-)

    by people with guns. that's the profile.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 04:44:42 PM PDT

    •  Exactly. (6+ / 0-)

      The only people who should be stopped and frisked are those who own weapons. That would be a good place to start.

      But obviously nobody has the courage for that sort of stuff.

      •  well, he didn't have any guns (3+ / 0-)
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        until he decided to kill a bunch of people in a theater

        he booby trapped his apartment, so, if he wanted to, he could have shown up with a bomb and killed probably just as many people

        that said, well, yeah, why the fuck does anyone need to own weapons that are only useful for killing a max amount of people quickly.  no good reason at all.  

        i think we need to ask the idiots who think everyone should walk around with a gun if they REALLY want EVERYONE in this country walking around with a gun.  i find that they suddenly get really nervous when you start walking them through what that would really be like, because they are actually quite irrationally afraid of most people in this country.

        the minority young man who their daughter is dating despite their wishes... do they want him to have a gun at all times?  

        the woman at work that doesn't appreciate being flirted with... do they want her to have a gun at all times?

        the man on the street corner begging for money... do they want him to have a gun at all times?

        the gay man that they treat badly... do they want him to have a gun at all times?

        the liberals at the town hall... do they want them to have guns at all times?

        they talk big when they imagine some kind of die hard situation, but talk them through the realistic situations where everyone has a gun.  Suddenly it's not such a great sounding idea.

        so long and thanks for all the fish

        by Anton Bursch on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:53:40 PM PDT

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      •  We would have to first REGULATE firearms (2+ / 0-)
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        Personally, I have no problem with registering firearms - ALL firearms, or requiring a licence to legally possess a firearm or transfer with traceable documentation ownership from anyone to anyone.

        Oops. I just stepped on some very fragile FREEDOMZ and LIBERTEEZ.

        Lemme get a boo boo bunny and make it all better....

        When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:18:07 PM PDT

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  •  an exit interview by (1+ / 0-)
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    the U of Colorado grad program in neuroscience or more importantly, the university grad student affairs office since Holmes lived in university housing might have helped, since this is not the first gun crime by a graduate student suffering a psychotic break.

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    by annieli on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 05:48:02 PM PDT

    •  for example (0+ / 0-)
      Police are investigating a profile on a sex website that allegedly belongs to James Holmes, the suspect in Friday’s movie theater massacre in Aurora, Colo. The profile, posted on AdultFriendFinder.com, features an image of a man who appears to be the shooter, sporting the same bright red hair he wore when he opened fire early Friday, the New York Post reports.

      The ad seems to allude to a possible crime with questions like, “Will you visit me in prison?” Under the username “classicjimbo,” the poster said he was looking for a “fling” or “casual sex” with women, couples or groups. He described himself as “a nice guy. Well, as nice enough of a guy who does these sort of shenanigans.”

      Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/...

      http://m.nypost.com/... The NY Post version:
      Before launching his movie massacre, “Dark Knight” killing suspect James Holmes was unraveling — dropping out of a prestigious grad-school program, detaching from his family and trolling the Web for bizarre sex romps.
      Police are looking into a posting on the sex Web site AdultFriendFinder.com that was apparently put up by Holmes to find group partners, law-enforcement sources told The Post.
      In his lurid ad, he darkly alluded to crimes to come.
      “Will you visit me in prison?” wrote the poster, who used the screen name “classicjimbo” to look for partners who were into “Women, Couples (man and woman), Groups or Couples (2 women).”
      The sex posting features an image allegedly of Holmes sporting the red hair he wore at yesterday’s massacre.

      Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

      by annieli on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 06:38:09 PM PDT

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    •  You don't know that he suffered a psychotic (1+ / 0-)
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      break. He planned in a calculated fashion for months. Obviously, he wasn't anywhere near well, but we don't know that he had a treatable mental illness. An exit interview isn't going to stop a psychopath.

  •  I don't think we can (1+ / 0-)
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    protect our way out of this kind of stuff. We need to change our culture, beginning with banning assault rifles and 1,000-round drums of ammo.

  •  I don't understand why this is on the rec list (0+ / 0-)

    Because other than the pie chart and the factual evidence below that shows racial prejudice it to support it, the rest of the diary is filled with a really wrong idea.

    No one should be stopped and frisked simply because in my opinion, and suggesting earlier in some of your comments that trained security guards would have been able to stop this is quite frankly stupid. Even if the theater in question was thoroughly covered by security what would have stopped this individual from simply going to another theater that wasn't?  

    Turning every walk of life into the TSA is NOT the way to go.

    I personally am not interested in my safety being the end all.

    "When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain

    by Moon Mop on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:35:41 PM PDT

    •  I wish I could edit that (0+ / 0-)

      I totally messed it up completely. I thought I was responding to someone else and now making a new comment, and I thought the person I was responding to was the author of the diary.

      A total and complete screwup on my part.

      "When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain

      by Moon Mop on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:37:42 PM PDT

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  •  How is this even legal? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm what probable cause and prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure can they site?

    --Mr. President, you have to earn my vote every day. Not take it for granted. --

    by chipoliwog on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 09:37:12 PM PDT

  •  I think the whole gun issue here is not relevant - (1+ / 0-)
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    If he was not able to get guns and bullets, he would have put the same effort into making explosives, poisonous gases, or other deadly weapons to accomplish the terror he wanted.  

    I think it is a matter of our culture, and how individuals, particularly young people who are separating from their parents and trying to start a career, are pretty much 'on their own' without support systems.  

    Universities and work places no longer offer the same kind of connections and closeness that they used to -- people there focus narrowly on their goals, and don't usually have much interest in their coworkers.  Getting accepted for an academic program, years ago, meant that you got adopted by the people running the institution.  The operated 'in loco parentis' and were interested in most of your foibles, your outside activities, and communicated their expectations.   Accepting a student, and then having them fail, was a big deal, in most cases.   (Of course this resulted in something of a lack of freedom, but there was a closeness and interest that's now gone.)

    Now you pays your money, you take your chances, and if you wash out, goodbye, don't let the door hit your backside on the way out.   And by the way, you've forefeited all your application fees, books, tuition, dorm rental cause you dropped out a day or two too late for any refunds.  

    First thing they did in California when downsizing school costs was to cut all the counselors, then art, music, sports, and then run the kids through oversize classes where no adults have time to relate to kids and identify if there are any developing problems.  Schools focus on test scores, and don't educate the total child.  

    Mental health, psychological , spiritual health, is no longer relevant for educators, and we are paying that price.  

  •  Sacred cow?over the top movie and game violence (1+ / 0-)
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    I agree with BBB on frisking issue. It's one of those statistics that jumps out at you. Tho in this case  this guy went in the front door unarmed so security  at the front door would not have helped.

    maybe this is off topic , but have you seen movie trailers in the last several years?   The prevalence of movies which feature truly gruesome operatic exercises of  killing? The violence in movies  gets denser and heavier and more amped up with increasingly ratched up visual effect violence as each year passes.
    i get a deep sense of dread and disconnect just watching the trailers. It is like some sort of sick heavy syrup that fills my veins as I watch it.

    Parents take young kids to these things. i know kids who have had a steady diet of this, along with  lurid video games. of course they don't all become mass murderers but do you wonder why there is a dead spot  where there should be empathy?

    Companies just keep making more of it, I guess we keep asking for more of it. I'm not saying make everything fluffy and nice. the world is not fluffy and nice. but there is a point at which violence becomes pornographic, it's like some sort of sick self medication. i suppose if you have the $$$ you can now make your own little arsenal and attack force for real . Isn't that just  junior's perfect toy? whether junior is this guy or a 40 year old racist asshat like Arizona's  JT Ready who recently took out his own family, but was marching around the desert for years in full public view, armed to the teeth and hunting Mexicans.

    I think you can address gun laws, you can address law enforcement priorities, you can address mental health issues, you can address family issues, but I am still left with the irony of a culture that spends time and  pays money  to see ritualized heightened  violence on screen, whether it be game screen or movie screen.... and seems so puzzled when it breaks out  for real in their midst.

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