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The protests from the Muslims in Egypt and Libya were said to be over an American film made by Sam Bacile entitled "Innocence of Muslims". A 14 minute trailer of the film was posted on Youtube. I do not condone the killings in Libya, but I can certainly understand the protests.  

Continue on to see the trailer ...

For those of you who did not see why the Muslims were so upset - this is the trailer that triggered international protests.

Yahoo News interviewed Sam Bacile:

Speaking by phone Tuesday from an undisclosed location, writer and director Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

"Islam is a cancer, period," he said repeatedly, his solemn voice thickly accented.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet. A Danish newspaper's 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries.

Though Bacile was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.

"I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good," said Bacile. "America should do something to change it."

Yet when in my own town of Gainesville FL. you had Terry Jones out proclaiming 9-11-12 as "International Judge Mohammed Day" (You remember him, he's the idiot who last year wanted to make 911 be "National Burn a Quran Day"

Well ... I am not international ... I am just me but even I had an interesting reaction to Muslims on 9-11 this year ...

My first experience as a Muslim on 911 was having a maintenance man for my apartment building come up to me and ask me "Whats with the rag on your head?" (I was wearing a hijab - a scarf over my hair) I answered with only one word "Muslim" He looked at me curiously "Since when?" he asked. "July" I said. He looked at me like I had gone crazy, and walked away.

But leaving on a positive note - The night before was open house at my son's school - and again there I wore the hijab. She was kind and said to me, "When did you become a Muslim?" I replied to her "In July.". She smiled at me and said "Well you wear it well!" and I thanked her ....

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  •  Good diary. (9+ / 0-)

    Incredibly complicated story. Wheels within wheels.

    Bacile makes movie.

    A Copt dubs it in Arabic.

    Jones plays 13-min. excerpt of movie during his Judge Mohammed Day spiel on the Internet on 9/11.

    Extremist Arabic TV channel Al-Hekma plays the excerpt in Libya and Egypt.  Protests erupt.

    But the attack in Libya looks like an organized terrorist attack, not just a protest as in Egypt.

    What other shoes will drop?

  •  Both filmmaker and killers... (4+ / 0-)
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    ... are both religious extremists.

    Both deserve our scorn and ridicule.

    I don't understand either side, sorry.

  •  Bacile is a fraud (5+ / 0-)

    Nothing he says can be confirmed, including his claim he is an Israeli citizen, that the amateurish piece of garbage cost $5 million to make (more like $50) or that 100 Jewish donors financed it. More than anything he seems like an arsonist, whose only interest is to set a blaze and watch the commotion it causes.

    "Balderdash!" - Mitt Romney

    by Red Bean on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 10:33:07 AM PDT

  •  i wish it had (1+ / 0-)
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    For those of you who did not see why the Muslims were so upset - this is the trailer that triggered international protests.
    only triggered protests. Not assassinations
    •  This is a troll who's been assigned... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... apparently to this subject today.

      Don't feed it anymore, please.

    •  protests and more (2+ / 0-)
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      some people would agree with the film and it's message, to others it is very insulting .... Either way it is stirring up things. I agree with the freedom of speech - but Egypt put it something like this - If you can not put a limit on your freedom of speech then you must accept our freedom of action.

      With such freedoms I feel comes responsibility as well. This may anger people, but freedom of speech does have a limit. There are laws against bulling. Some speech is too harmful and has been limited - like in the case of being a bully. One can speak their mind and still hold some amount of respect for another ... yet to some there is no limits ... Is it religious bulling? I do not know ... I can only live my life as I feel it is best to do - yet apparently this is a trend that needs to be resolved - what do you think?

      •  if our rights exist subject to (1+ / 0-)
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        being revoked by threats of violence, then they are not rights.

      •  As an atheist, I believe I have a right to say (0+ / 0-)

        that there are no gods. I will not lend my support to any political party that suggests that that right should be abridged.

        •  you have that right (1+ / 0-)
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          you can say you do not believe in God and be in full right to say it also. You are not putting down any one else's beliefs with that statement. How does that relate to this diary??

          •  When you say, (0+ / 0-)

            "If you can not put a limit on your freedom of speech then you must accept our freedom of action," you appear to suggest that my freedom of speech is circumscumscribed by Muslim concepts of blasphemy and that you think it's fine if Muslims kill me if I blaspheme.

            What would you allow me to say?

            Would you allow me to say, "There is no god and anyone who believes in god must be deluded?"

            Would you kindly give me the permission to say, "Anyone who says that he has communicated with a god or with angels is a lunatic or a charlatan?"

            Would you magnanimously allow me to live if I were to say, "Joseph Smith, Muhammed, Jesus and Moses were nothing more than power hungry con-men?"

            What level of challenge to your beliefs do you accept.

            I respect your right to practice your religion in peace and I will defend that right. Do not expect anything more from me.

            •  action ---> reaction ----> consequences (0+ / 0-)

              you can say and do as you like ... but if you go up to a man and call his wife a slut - you have that freedom of speech but ... you might get decked ... that man might go to jail ... etc.

              it is not "what would you allow me to say" but I like your response saying you don't go around hurting people "out of respect for them as human beings". That is maturity and shows you have the common sense to use the freedom of speech you have to make good choices ... (in my opinion)

              It's when idiots go out of their way to provoke unnecessarily that makes the freedom of speech need to have some barriers ... like in the case with bulling and inciting a riot and such as that.

              You could say

              Would you magnanimously allow me to live if I were to say, "Joseph Smith, Muhammed, Jesus and Moses were nothing more than power hungry con-men?"
              and I would not be offended with your statement - because you have that right to express how you feel, but what about if you continually insult and provoke? where do you draw the line? When is the freedom of speech becoming an attack on me? on my beliefs ... and an invasion on my rights? I have never encountered bigotry against me before ... I am a white woman ... it was not until I put a covering over my hair did I start getting looks of anger, hate, mistrust ... just because of what I wear and what I believe. It's not a pleasant feeling. But it is an eye opener.

              I try to live my life peacefully. I love the Constitution of the USA. I love having rights and freedoms. If you give people freedoms without any boundaries, others can get hurt ... I am not saying take away rights of free speech - (God forbid!) but I just think people need to use some common sense and respect for other humans - just like you openly chose to do.

              •  I'm very sorry to hear that you have recieved such (1+ / 0-)
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                bad treatment for covering your hair. I spent many years living in New York City, some of the early ones near a Lebanese Christian neighborhood, so I'm very used to all sorts of clothing and it doesn't make me blink. I would never comment on your decision unless you asked me my opinion. Even if you did, I'd probably have to ask you some questions in return because most of the things I know about why some Islamic women cover their hair I know second hand. The only Muslim women I've been friendly with didn't do that and the subject never came up. Actually, we never discussed religion at all.

                As a white American, I've never had that sort of prejudice directed against me, however I've been mistaken as Jewish by anti-Semites. Several young men tried to pick a fight with me and a female friend. I'm 5'2" and she's 5'1". It was quite scary for a moment. I've also been mistaken for a Native Canadian by some drunken Canadians, also an uncomfortable situation.

                If only more people would choose to live peaceably.

          •  I just thought I'd add that I'm an artist and an (0+ / 0-)

            amateur cartoonist and I was very active on some atheist message boards when they had "Draw the Prophet Day." I toyed with the idea of participating and then decided that it was intentionally inflammatory. It seemed to me to have no real purpose than to make people mad. I don't typically go around trying to get people angry. It wasn't out of respect for their religious beliefs, but out of respect for them as human beings. I don't go around intentionally hurting people.

  •  LOL (3+ / 0-)

    What  a low budget piece of crap.

    "And there are those who give and know not pain in giving, nor do they seek joy, nor give with mindfulness of virtue; They give as in yonder valley the myrtle breathes its fragrance into space" Khalil Gibran

    by bcdelta on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 10:59:45 AM PDT

  •  The cause lies with the attackers. (1+ / 0-)
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    This flim may have been a trigger to those attackers (probable for Egypt, less likely for Libya).  However, it was not the cause.
    Saying that the film is the cause of these actions is like blaming heavy metal for the violent actions of a disturbed teenager.
    If someone went and burned down the house of the person that made this film, that would be an understandable causal relationship. These murderers attacked people that had nothing to do with the film. They attacked people who were there in service of the relationship between their country and ours. If they don't understand or care enough about that fact, then I would have to say that the causes would include their ignorance and / or inhumanity coupled with a seriously corrupted sense of scale and hateful zealotry in the place where reason should reside in the human soul.

    "Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars" --Casey Kasem

    by netop on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 11:02:06 AM PDT

    •  I don't see (2+ / 0-)
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      how this becomes an all-or-none issue. Does assigning all the blame to the Libyans mean that the film makers are guiltless?

      This is a case of our zealots fighting with their zealots, and neither groups seems to give a damn who gets hurt.

      Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

      by ricklewsive on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 11:09:05 AM PDT

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      •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        When Terry Jones decided last year to make 911 burn a Quran day - so many were against him ... it was unnecessary and obviously so ... Is this comparable?

        The strong reactions of people are beyond my understanding ... I was insulted by this film - but just chalked it up to an ignorant childish person being a jerk - that man can not hurt my faith with his film, but as with all of us - we should be held accountable for our actions. Obama said they are looking for those who killed those innocent people - as it should be.

        And if we choose to protest, I would hope we could implement a change. These who peacefully protested this film and other media like it would like to see a change.

        I for one would love to know if there could be a reasonable solution to the problem that continually happens when groups or individuals insult religions. I do not know if there is any solution. But I think it is worth looking into.

        •  It might not be a childish person (1+ / 0-)
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          It might be more like Red Bean noted. These guys might be arsonists. People are trying to track this Bacile down. It's all very preliminary and this could be total BS too...
          Muhammad Film Consultant: 'Sam Bacile' is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name

          He said the man who identified himself as Bacile asked him to help make the anti-Muhammad film. When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: "I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."

          Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

          by ricklewsive on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 11:33:56 AM PDT

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          •  Mr. Klein doth protest too much (3+ / 0-)
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            and seems all too eager to suggest Bacile is not Jewish, nor does that piece of trash film have any ties to Jews or Israel, yet he claims to know nothing about the man?

            Too little is known about Klein and "Bacile" for anyone to claim with any authority who is behind this incendiary piece of crap.

            Christian extremists. Likud-plant.  Coptic nut case.  The only thing we know for sure is those behind this "film" intended to incite violent protest as a means of justifying their narrow beliefs about Islam.

            The film's maker and backers all have blood on their hands.

      •  Not Libyans... attackers who happen to be (2+ / 0-)
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        Libyans.  I am sorry if I was not clear that I do hold the Libyan people or the Libyan government responsible for this attack.  I hold responsible those people that wielded RPGs, assault rifles, and (according to some reports) mortars.

        And I do not think the filmmakers are guiltless.  They are toadish, hateful, harmful blights on our nation and our species.  They are guilty of spreading hate.  They are guilty for providing additional fuel to the fire.  But they are responsible for making that film.  They are responsible for the actions they have committed.  They are not responsible for the actions of those people that committed murder yesterday.  

        If becoming angry about a film results in killing people (and in Benghazi, the attack may have been planned prior to the outrage over this film), then I think looking at what causes that reaction to be acceptable is of great importance in reducing that kind of violence.

        "Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars" --Casey Kasem

        by netop on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 11:49:51 AM PDT

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      •  Also, if it were only zealots fighting... (4+ / 0-)
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        I would be sad, but not angry.

        This is a case of our zealots fighting with their zealots, and neither groups seems to give a damn who gets hurt.
        I really agree with what I feel is the sentiment of this statement (excuse me if I am reading my own feelings into it).  To put a finer point on it, in an effort to make clear my thoughts on a very sensitive subject, I think
        This is a case of our zealots fighting with a whole culture and their zealots fighting a whole culture and neither group seems to give a damn who gets hurt.
        Please understand this is how I view it, it is not meant as a correction to your statement.

        Those people that were killed were not our zealots.  The Muslim-American (or the Christian Arab, for that matter) who gets harassed or assaulted in an American city this week because some ignorant dickhead is pissed off about these attacks is not one of their zealots.  
        Someone who attacks US Consulate or Embassy because of a movie that is an attack on his culture, which was not made by or supported by the people in that compound? ignorant dickhead.
        Someone who gives a hard time to someone wearing a hijab or  who has posters of Syria in his shop here in America because some ignorant dickheads flew off the handle in North Africa?  ignorant dickhead.

        I don't know how to stop the ignorance, but I am becoming more convinced that some amount moral absolutism is part of the solution, in that there are some things that are wrong.  Period.  For everyone and anyone.

        "Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars" --Casey Kasem

        by netop on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:14:30 PM PDT

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    •  We're now learning the attack was planned in (0+ / 0-)

      advance.  Administration just issued a statement that there is an Al Qaeda connection.  They could have probably dug up one of hundreds of anti-Mohammed movies to use as an excuse to rouse the rabble as cover for their assassination attempt.

  •  They killed over outtakes from the Life of Brian?! (0+ / 0-)

    "You're not wearing undergarments."  I laughed until I got too bored to continue watching. If this is what people will cause people to riot, what hope do we have for good relations with them?

    What fools. What ignornorant muderous fools! I'm angry. I'm so angry. Why isn't anyone else here angry?

    Americans were killed. A cleric told people that this was an important movie and the sheep followed. The foolish sheep who cannont reason for themselves armed themselves and became butchers. As an American, I'm angry.

    •  fools (0+ / 0-)

      Are they fools to protest? or are the fools only the ones who became murders? When you ask about having good relations with others - I would think it starts with a mutual respect.

      The film was stupid beyond belief ... but the continued anti-Muslim sentiment from Americans who claim freedom of religion, yet want to stop Mosques from being built and some saying they want all Muslims to leave the country is crazy.

      you have a right to be angry at the killings ... I am angry too. It was completely unnecessary.  

      •  I support the right to build a Mosque anywhere (0+ / 0-)

        people please. The people who were trying to gain power and influence by stirring up a controversy over the "ground zero Mosque" disgusted me beyond belief. The people who fell for that nonsense were foolish in my mind as well.

        I guess we could talk about levels of foolishness. When I've gone to protests, I've generally tried to find out who is organizing it and what the goals are. Apparently a cleric lied to people about the importance of this movie and some people believed him. If some people accepted the statements at face value but just complained about lousy Americans, I would probably shrug. I'm sure I've done similarly uninformed things. If that person goes to a peaceful protest without checking the veracity of the rumor, I'd probably think they were pretty silly and needed to get a life. People attacking embassies, even when people aren't killed, over rumors and lies about amateur movies on YouTube are pretty easily led astray. Anyone who is that easily led astray is inherently dangerous.

        I feel that Christians, or people of other religions, who are that easily led astray are also dangerous. And, just to be clear about it, I do not think all Muslims react violently to rumors.

  •  What a cheap, stupid production (2+ / 0-)
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    The movie has all of the production values of a middle school project.  It looks like a few kids with camcorders and a chromakey, just with young adults instead.  (The awful sound, with the room echoes, is a giveaway.) If Sam "Hugh Jim" Bacile took in $5M for this, then he pocketed at least $4.9M, and that's after he rented a theater for a night to give it "honor" of a theatrical screening.

    He's not doing Israel (which he claims is his country) any good either.

    •  It's remarkable that so much trouble (0+ / 0-)

      is being caused by such ignorant losers as Bacile and Jones. Under normal circumstances, who would give either of them even the time of day? Who would bother to sit through that silly piece of garbage they call a film?

      They are not worth paying any attention to, and yet here they are getting all this attention. "Pastor" Jones is so stupid, it's a wonder he can tie his own shoes -- but somehow he gets to be a media star. Bacile's film about Islam is so retarded and so inept, a twelve-year-old could have done better.

      "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

      by native on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 01:19:57 PM PDT

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  •  Islamists and Christianists (1+ / 0-)
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    Both of these religions have been breeding hateful fundamentalists in their midst who feed off the hatred they inspire. Though they see one another as deadly enemies, they are in fact natural allies, engaged in the same cause -- the cause of spreading intolerant rage, leading inevitably toward physical violence.

    It would be most beneficial if the vast majority of believers (who are peace-loving and tolerant people) were able to effectively repudiate, or at least restrain the zealots who seem to be thriving within the doctrinal boundaries of their faiths.

    "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

    by native on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:57:13 PM PDT

    •  I wish it were that easy (1+ / 0-)
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      There are good and bad in any religion. I hate extremists. They exist everywhere. You can not control individuals, not even with religion ... each person must be accountable for themselves - but I agree - as a fellow believer in that religion - one should stand up for peace and encourage it and promote it to those thinking violence is the solution to any problem.

      •  Not easy, no. (0+ / 0-)

        But I think hateful ideology should be vociferously opposed, and it can only be effectively repudiated from within the religion that it claims to represent.

        A Christian cannot repudiate radical Islam, any more than a Muslim can repudiate radical Christianity. However if a majority of believers of the same faith were to unanimously and loudly condemn the extremists whom they far outnumber, that would have some effect.

        "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

        by native on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 03:16:52 PM PDT

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  •  Monty Python (0+ / 0-)

    Had something like this been done by Monty Python about  30 years ago, it would have been funnier, better recieved, been about Christianity&Judaism, and titled "The Life of Brian".

    Sincere thanks for posting the link despite your faith. Would that all muslims (and people of all faiths) could overlook such attempts at humourous films instead of taking it personally.

    Freedom is not just a word. 'Freedom' is a noun.

    by intruder from Old Europe on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 11:06:48 PM PDT

    •  I remember those days (0+ / 0-)

      when being a Muslim became synonymous with being a terrorist and making things seem like all terrorists were Muslims ... people tend to get more than a little touchy.

      I was offended at this film ... but not so much because it was focused on my faith, but because it was offensive to people's genuine belief in God. Had someone made such a movie about Jesus I would have been as offended and had someone made such a film about Moses I would have been offended ... I did not see the film as humorous - but really pathetic.

      To think that someone would waste so much of their life focused on hate goes beyond my understanding. But I see it as also a political ploy ... stir things up ... so we can have an excuse to be in their country - maybe I am wrong - but it is my opinion. I also think that when Obama continues to search he will find more than a riot gone wrong ... protests are one thing - murder is another. Only time will tell

      •  not funny (1+ / 0-)
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        As an atheist, I firmly believe that religions and believers may be mocked like anyone else, while conceding that polite people would voluntarily refrain from doing so.

        Initially I thought that film was meant to be humorous and just sadly fell short. According to more recent reports, it seems this was a carefully planned move to stir up riots and place people in jeopardy. If so, that is nasty.

        Freedom is not just a word. 'Freedom' is a noun.

        by intruder from Old Europe on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 10:39:44 PM PDT

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  •  I have a few observations to make (1+ / 0-)
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    The film was just laughable it was so bad but sad that people could be so cruel in making fun of another's faith.   I think there should be a public address by the administration prime time to address the international community stating that this was a ridiculous film and filthy disgrace under the banner of democratic free speech.  It does not speak for the Hollywood Film Commission nor the American people.  This piece of filth should be noted for what it is.  I feel the president then should condem violence for any reason but state again that using this piece of fuse makes for strained relations within the world community.   Of course I am sure that is what the Diplomat Stevens was trying to do.

    I feel he should then address his running mate and say, Mitt Romney is Not the president nor does he speak for the American people.  Please know that violence is not the answer or words to that effect but make it quite clear as Sec. Clinton did that the American people are disgusted with such an outrage but condem the attacks on the embassys.

    It is ridiculous to think someone put up 5 M for that piece of garbage.. Man my home movies are worth 3 Billion.  shot with a flip camera.

    Good diary Michelle.

    I understand their outrage but I also think they need to understand this one one lunatic's doings and not the whole country.
    I too believe there is something more like a terrorist plot rather than protest going on.
    Maybe the muslim people are tired of being bullied in the name of Christianity.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 01:35:26 PM PDT

    •  part of the outrage (0+ / 0-)

      it stems from the inaction of the US against such hate and the continued media Islam bashing and Islamaphobia promoting. They call American the land of the free boasting of religious freedoms but hear the politicians say to send all the Muslims back to the middle east (what about American born Muslims??) and the protesting to build Islamic places of worship.

      When you do not resist a thing - inadvertently you allow it or support it. Why doesn't America stand politically for the Constitution it is supposed to be representing?

      Or is that only for denominations of the Christian faith?

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