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This guy (a former high school classmate), represented by the brown postings, responded to my posting (I'm in green) of Romney's emergency room remarks.

I ended up screenshotting this exchange and reassembling it as an image, because copying and pasting the text was going to be a formatting nightmare. You may have to click once on the image to enlarge it, if you're using Firefox. My apologies to those who cannot read the text content of the image with their browser.

It was one of the more bizarre entanglements I've had on FB, due mainly to the guy's complete avoidance of engaging on substance, and later his self-loathing psychopathy against the poor. From his own description of his financial state, he would benefit more than most from Progressive social policies, but cannot seem to make the connection. I can't tell if he's being deliberately contrary for entertainment's sake, or if he has a conception of compassion being a form of weakness.

There is also a constant attempt to appear "balanced" by claiming equal antipathy towards both candidates (the old "they're all the same" syndrome) but he only responds when he has something to say against Obama.

This kind of bitterness is out there, and it's really amazing how blind to solutions it makes a person.

Link to a screenshot of the exchange.

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass the guilty.
    - Jessica Mitford

    by Swampfoot on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:20:50 PM PDT

  •  Just another jerkwad (6+ / 0-)

    who thinks smug cynicism inoculates him from the world.  Most of us know a number of such jerkwads, in fact, some of them near and dear.  

    Instead of wasting your time on the terminally smug, why not try to use your talents and get a good letter published in some newspapers and 'mainstream' web sites?  You could waste all season on people like this, like I did with all Naderite friends and family in 2000, or you could actually wind up reaching some people on the fence.  

     Get one more person to the polls and double your vote!  This turkey on Facebook probably aint it.  Unless you could just get him to go vote as a personal favor to you or something.  

    When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:32:30 PM PDT

  •  I can totally relate (9+ / 0-)

    I have a very kind step aunt who I like in every way except for the fact she is a tea bagger. There is nothing abut her that explains this at all. In life she is a kind and caring person who would give the shirt off her back to help someone yet she publishes the most vile teabag garbage on facebook.  This is a woman who gets social security, has a retirement provided by a union job and who has a husband who is alive today and / or a home to live in because he had medicare when he got sick.

    It is considered off limits to talk politics in my family so I have yet to spout off........I only hope November gets here quickly.

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:51:09 PM PDT

  •  "Austrian is not a language" (8+ / 0-)

    Tell an Austrian he speaks German. Then tell another Austrian he speaks Austrian. Repeat this process and you'll find better responses when you do the latter.

    To be fair, to be 100% correct one should say to an Austrian he speaks "dialect."

    source: several Austrian friends.

    •  Or tell a German that Austrians speak German... (4+ / 0-)

      Every time I watch an Austrian TV show with my German mother, she keeps moaning, "The language! The LANGUAGE!"

      Also, my favorite Austrian cop show has a German character who is constantly teased for not speaking Austrian. In one episode, the German officer was in a coma, and his distraught partner at his bedside promised to learn German cop slang if only he woke up.

      261.A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience. -Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

      by MaikeH on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 04:31:46 AM PDT

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      •  Na, eben. (0+ / 0-)

        I'll have to look that Austrian cop show up.

        •  SOKO Donau (1+ / 0-)
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          commonmass

          Carl, the German character (a "burned" former secret agent transferred to the river police), basically serves as a reason for the other cops to translate Austrian slang for the German audience.

          If the authors feel that non-Austrian viewers won't understand a particular expression, they have Carl ask what it means, and the other characters will translate with an eye roll. Either that, or Carl will use a German expression that no one in Austria uses, and someone will correct him.

          261.A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience. -Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

          by MaikeH on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 05:54:06 AM PDT

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    •  What he speaks is the Oesterreichische (1+ / 0-)
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      godlessmath

      Umgangssprache, or, for non-Austrian speakers, Austrian common German. That's what he speaks when he talks to another Austrian he doesn't know. When he talks to his neighbor he speaks one of many regional dialects. Vienna alone has nearly as many dialects as it does administrative districts (23). (Note that Vienna is both a city AND a Federal State). On television, he speaks "High German", usually with an Austrian accent.

      Austrian German is it's own animal, as Swiss German is. It has peculiarities of grammar and grammatical gender and vocabulary. Even things as basic as "hello" and "goodbye" are completely different in Vienna than they are in Berlin.

  •  It's like trying to teach a cat to dance (4+ / 0-)
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    duckhunter, Jane Lew, annrose, Smoh

    You will fail, and it annoys the cat.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    by TX Dem 50 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 11:21:07 PM PDT

  •  another reason I ignore FB (2+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries, Smoh

    while it is good for people wanting to share personal news and pics with friends, it also seems to attract wannabes and nevergonnabes disproportionately.
    I have a page since people do use FB to reconnect with people but I also only check in once every month or two to see if anyone is looking for me.

    As far as engaging the people there, I find it to be like RedState, only frequently without the intellectual content  

    •  Now THAT'S cold! (0+ / 0-)
      As far as engaging the people there, I find it to be like RedState, only frequently without the intellectual content
      WHOO! Cold, cold, COLD! Mind you, it's one of the many reasons why I avoid Facebook (and Twitter, come to that) like the Plague. I keep in touch with the friends I've got via phone and email. If someone's dropped off along the way -- which can happen for many reasons -- it's a bummer, but it's no reason to have a single page dedicated to finding them, or finding "friends" I didn't want in the first place.

      "If you're going to go down with the ship, make it a submarine." - Wayne Shorter

      by Oliver Tiger on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 04:20:24 AM PDT

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  •  Oh Facebook. I Recall (5+ / 0-)

    once and I use Facebook with my clients all the time. After Gibby was shot I posted a link to a MSNBC video where she was asked if she feared for her life. A little forshawoing I'd say. This was an actual respose:

    So she got shot in the melon, who cares?
    That was from a dude I lived with many years ago in college. I could not compute this. This is what I posted.

    Kind of none political.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 11:36:51 PM PDT

  •  So.. if a drunk driver with no insurance (3+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries, Swampfoot, Smoh

    ..hit your friend, and his hospital bills were in the hundreds of thousands, no biggie? If he came down with cancer and his treatment was 2 million, just let him die? Or make the hospital or taxpayers cover him because he didn't want to be on the exchange?

    Really?

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 12:41:25 AM PDT

  •  Most non-partisan people are really partisan. (3+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries, Swampfoot, Smoh

    If you side with a minority of people, you can content yourself to a delusion of genius, as you can imagine yourself as being too smart to be in the 'mainstream' somewhere.

    It's easy to do, doesn't require much thought, which is perfect for the subpar thinker.

    Some famous thinky-man said something similar to that.  Twain or Vonnegut or something.  I don't remember.

  •  You know, reading the exchange, (3+ / 0-)
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    annecros, Smoh, Paul Rogers

    I have to say you (the diarist) were not very persuasive. I mean, factually, you were correct, but your tone was combative, snippy, and a little sanctimonious. Your friend wasn't mean, and frankly, while uninformed, his responses to you seemed pretty civil.

    If it were me you were talking to, I'd be thinking "when did my friend turn in to such a jerk?"

    This is certainly NOT the tactic I take when talking to my friends about the election. You're trying to catch flies with vinegar, and FB is NOT the Daily Kos.

    Just my two cents.

    •  The guy who sez "fuck 'em" to the sick is civil... (2+ / 0-)
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      commonmass, coracii

      and I'm the jerk? An interesting viewpoint. Okay then.

      You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass the guilty.
      - Jessica Mitford

      by Swampfoot on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 05:15:39 AM PDT

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      •  I'm just saying that as an impartial observer (3+ / 0-)
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        annecros, Smoh, Paul Rogers

        without any emotional investment in this interaction, you come across so strong that it borders on unpleasantness. I'm not trying to say that YOU ARE a jerk, I'm sure you're not, it's just an observation. If you want to be persuasive, and I am sure you do because you are clearly passionate about getting the President re-elected, it helps to be more upbeat in pointing out that many of the people you're talking to are just plain factually wrong, because they are.

        Go back and read the exchange again when you have some distance from it. I think you'll see what I'm talking about.

        •  my reaction too (1+ / 0-)
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          commonmass

          Agree with the points made by the diarist in the fb exchange, many excellent points.  But it reminded me of arguments with my SO wherein SO says something like "surely you can't believe that nonsense" and then tries to drown me with facts.  The argument then becomes a fight about what a jerk SO is being or what an uninformed slacker I am, instead of a true debate about ideas.  Whose fault?  Well, all I can say is that gentle persuasion works far better with most humans, just as it does with bees (i.e., "honey v. vinegar").  

    •  Yep (2+ / 0-)
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      Smoh, commonmass

      We have to really watch this phone banking. Respect is a two way street.

  •  Actually... (2+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, Swampfoot

    "Austrian" is recognized as a separate language within the EU. This quite apart from its actual spoken status. Not to mention Wienerisch and various other forms of Schmäh...

    WOID: a journal of visual language http://theorangepress.com/woid

    by WOIDgang on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 05:05:42 AM PDT

    •  See the comments upthread. (1+ / 0-)
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      WOIDgang

      As a speaker of Austrian German, I found the comment "Austrian is not a language" very amusing.

      To be fair, most people outside of the German-speaking word consider this. Heck, most people don't consider Austria at all, so I can't get too worked up about the diarist's friend's ignorance about the fact that the Austro-Bavarian Mundart is distinct and within it highly varied by region . I once dated a guy from Carinthia and could not, for the life of me, understand a word he said when he was on the phone with some friend back in Klagenfurt (the fact that it was peppered with Croatian didn't help!).

  •  One reason among many I don't bother... (1+ / 0-)
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    Swampfoot

    with Facebook because it seems like every village idiot wants to prove their stupidity.  It's one thing to disagree on an issue; it's another thing to just rant especially against people simply because they are are (poor, gay, senior, whatever).

  •  A former co-worker (2+ / 0-)
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    Swampfoot, Paul Rogers

    likes to post things about how Democrats teach people to be dependent, but Republicans teach them to stand up for themselves.

    He lived rent free in a parent's spare home until age forty, but has no money saved. As best we can figure, he works 25 hours a week to earn $1000 per month.

    Which is fine, I'm not judging the income, just the work ethic, but he likes to post these diatribes from a public library.

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Fri Sep 28, 2012 at 08:04:51 AM PDT

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