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On October 7, 2012, as the War called "Operation Enduring Freedom" - American's longest war, with no exit plan in sight, enters its 12th year.........

Soon to be replaced, General Allen says he will issue his report after the election, on "troop strength" (note he did not say the words, troop withdrawals), as 68 to 69,000 US soldiers remain, along with over 132,000 private contractors.

If we are to believe that 80% of Afghanistan is "violence free", why aren't we leaving only Special Forces to combat the 20% of the country that is not violence free and bringing the bulk of our troops home? Does this success really mean that the 132,000 private contractors are still needed?

Isn't it time as a nation, that we make our voices heard?

After 11 years of war, for the US alone; losing a soldier per day, at a cost of 2 Billion a week, can a nation just ignore this war, based only on the hope of come December 2014, the war will end? Is there no "conditions based" end of the war?

And if not, why not end the war now? How many more will die?

Insider attacks now account for one in every five combat deaths suffered by Nato-led forces in Afghanistan, and 16 per cent of all American combat casualties, according to 2012 data. The rising death toll has alarmed Americans and raised new, troubling questions about the unpopular war’s direction.

“My brother is a martyr and the whole family is proud of his martyrdom but we blame the Americans for inciting him to shoot,” Nazar Khan says of Welayat Khan, an Afghan army soldier who killed US soldiers Specialist Mabry Anders and Sergeant Christopher Birdwell in Afghanistan on August 27, 2012.

The American patrol had the road blocked to ensure security. But the Afghan soldiers approaching in another convoy were not seen as a potential threat, and were allowed to pass. On board that convoy was Welayat Khan. Welayat Khan was sitting at the gun turret mounted on a vehicle in the Afghan convoy. At 8:10 in the morning, as his vehicle passed Anders and Birdwell, Welayat Khan took aim at the Americans and fired.
“They are trained to trust the Afghan soldiers,” Anders’ mother, Genevieve Woydziak, said.

"It’s so confused. Nobody knows what’s going on.”

KABUL: Afghan Army Sgt. Habibullah Hayar didn’t know it, but he had been sleeping with his enemy for weeks.  “It’s not only foreigners. They are targeting Afghan security forces too,” said the 21-year-old Hayar, who was in Kabul on leave. “Sometimes, I think what kind of situation is this that a Muslim cannot trust a Muslim, even a brother cannot trust a brother. It’s so confused. Nobody knows what’s going on.”
October 1 2012.........
KABUL: A suicide attack on a joint Nato-Afghan foot patrol on Monday killed at least 13 people, including three Nato troops and four Afghan police, Isaf and Afghan officials said. Six civilians were also killed and 37 were wounded in the attack near a market in the eastern city of Khost, the provincial governor’s office said. Hospital sources put the number of Afghan dead at 10 with more than 60 wounded. A spokesman for Nato’s US-led International Security Assistance Force said he could confirm that three Nato service members had been killed, but that details of the incident were still unclear.

Claims by a Nato commander...........80% of Afghanistan free of violence?
KABUL: A senior Nato commander has said that 80 per cent of Afghanistan is free of violence but warned that an insurgency still rages in the south and east, “fuelled by fighters coming from Pakistan”.  “About 80 per cent of Afghan territory and the Afghan population are not affected by security problems or violence,” Lt-Gen Olivier de Bavinchove said in an interview.
His claims contrast sharply with United Nations numbers showing that August was the second deadliest month in five years for Afghan civilians, with a total of 374 — more than 10 a day — killed and 581 injured.
Isn't it time you make your voices heard.......
Contact your representatives

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Soon the war in Afghanistan, when Obama took over as Commander in Chief,
will have it 6th commanding general,

-  in 2009 when Obama started

General David McKiernan
then
General McChrystal who was "fired"
then
acting until a replacement named British General Sir Nicholas Parker
then
General Petraeus
then
General Allen current
and
awaiting confirmation now, Marine Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr

Although Allen is not being forced out, "the president wants somebody who can take a fresh look at the effort in Afghanistan and isn't an architect of the current strategy," said David Barno, a retired Army general who headed the war in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005.

The proposed change in command comes at a perilous time in the decade-old war as well as in the heat of a U.S. presidential campaign.

Originally posted to allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:07 AM PDT.

Also republished by Group W: Resisting War.

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  •  wow, we are really winning the hearts and minds... (11+ / 0-)

    see how happy the afghans are to have us there...

    111207-F-FT240-039

    i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

    by joe shikspack on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:28:05 AM PDT

  •  By now the only reason so many US troops are (7+ / 0-)

    there is to protect the contractors and their heavy equipment and other property.  All that gas and mineral lodes in North Afghanistan seems to be too difficult to resist.

    If re-elected Obama should bring the troops home early, as early as possible.  Perhaps he will but avoids saying so before the election because it would appear wantonly political.  If he holds to his timetable he needs to explain why we linger there.  I suppose a case could be made for keeping an eye on that part of Asia, but the price we pay for this in lives and resources is currently unjustifiable.

    Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

    by judyms9 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:34:48 AM PDT

  •  Hundreds of thousands of war vets still waiting (7+ / 0-)

    for health benefits, as the war rages, stumbles on.

    Veteran Mike Rioux waited for more than a year for disability benefits.

    The Department of Veterans Affairs expects 1 million claims this year alone. The backlog has meant an average wait of eight months

    http://www.cnn.com/...

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:37:58 AM PDT

    •  And it will grow and grow (5+ / 0-)

      The costs of benefits for returning troops will continue to grow.  Although the number of troops in Afghanistan has been reduced by the number added in Obama's escalation of 2009, the surge, we continue to maintain ~70K troops there.  They rotate in and out. So while we have now finished withdrawing the surge troops, there are still units deploying to Afghanistan all the time as the news stories show.

      And every person who rotates through comes home hopefully and requires VA benefits.  The number grows every single day that we continue these wars.  

      And yet there is always plenty of money for war but is there plenty of money for veterans chewed up and spit out by those wars?  How about money for health care, food stamps, infrastructure, education, etc. at home?  There never seems to be enough money for that but always plenty of money for more more more war.  Not enough money for helping people, building things, doing constructive things but plenty of money for destructive things, killing people, blowing shit up.  The benefits of those war efforts go to big multinational corporations, not to the tax payers who pay for the wars or the people whose lives are ruined by it.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:28:01 AM PDT

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      •  always plenty of money for war (4+ / 0-)
        And yet there is always plenty of money for war but is there plenty of money for veterans chewed up and spit out by those wars?  How about money for health care, food stamps, infrastructure, education, etc. at home?  There never seems to be enough money for that but always plenty of money for more more more war.  Not enough money for helping people, building things, doing constructive things but plenty of money for destructive things, killing people, blowing shit up.  The benefits of those war efforts go to big multinational corporations, not to the tax payers who pay for the wars or the people whose lives are ruined by it.
        Browse on over to the DOD where the billions upon billions of dollars in military contracts are award to those profiting off the war, while our country implodes....

        http://www.defense.gov/...

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

        by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:52:33 AM PDT

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      •  U.S. military is outrageously expensive (4+ / 0-)

        from TomDispatch

        The U.S. military is outrageously expensive and yet poorly tailored to the actual threats to U.S. national security: Candidates from both parties pledge to protect the Pentagon from cuts, or even, in the case of the Romney team, to increase the already staggering military budget. But in a country desperate for infrastructure, education, and other funding, funneling endless resources to the Pentagon actually weakens “national security.” Defense spending is already mind-numbingly large: if all U.S. military and security spending were its own country, it would have the 19th largest economy in the world, ahead of Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, and Switzerland. Whether you’re counting aircraft carriers, weapons systems, or total destructive power, it’s absurdly overmatched against the armed forces of the rest of the world, individually or in combination. A couple of years ago, then-Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates gave a speech in which he detailed that overmatch. A highlight: “The U.S. operates 11 large carriers, all nuclear powered. In terms of size and striking power, no other country has even one comparable ship.” China recently acquired one carrier that won’t be fully functional for some time, if ever -- while many elected officials in this country would gladly build a twelfth.
        But you’ll hear none of this in the presidential debates. Perhaps the candidates will mention that obsolete, ineffective, and wildly expensive weapons systems could be cut, but that’s a no-brainer. The problem is: it wouldn’t put a real dent in national defense spending.  Currently almost one-fifth of every dollar spent by the federal government goes to the military

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

        by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:03:59 AM PDT

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  •  The war in Afghanistan is, (6+ / 0-)

    as it has been, well, pretty much forever, the Invaders vs. the Home Team.  Of course there are the Quislings and Petains . . . always have been, always will be (ask the Scots) . . . but what we are seeing in Afghanistan today is exactly what one should expect, home field advantage and a game plan developed, perfected and successful over thousands of years.

    We have no business there, never had any business there, and are reaping the harvest of having got involved there thirty years ago.  We started on the wrong side, switched to the wrong side, and remain on the wrong side . . . and we will leave battered, bloody and the place worse off for our having been there.

    Perhaps the Chinese can sort it out . . .

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:38:10 AM PDT

  •  Another attack today? (7+ / 0-)
    KABUL: A suicide attack on a joint Nato-Afghan foot patrol on Monday killed at least 13 people, including three Nato troops and four Afghan police, Isaf and Afghan officials said. Six civilians were also killed and 37 were wounded in the attack near a market in the eastern city of Khost, the provincial governor’s office said. Hospital sources put the number of Afghan dead at 10 with more than 60 wounded. A spokesman for Nato’s US-led International Security Assistance Force said he could confirm that three Nato service members had been killed, but that details of the incident were still unclear.
    The joint operations only resumed four days ago.  


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:53:48 AM PDT

    •  How does one "fight" IED's?, Enemy "allies", (1+ / 0-)
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      and "suicide" attacks?  One can't.  

      •  Very difficult to fight 'em (6+ / 0-)

        They don't need hi-tech military equipment. What a military mismatch and yet they can sustain themselves indefinitely on their home turf.  

        We should think about stopping the activities that motivate them to want to kill us.

        Perhaps it's too late now. The damage has been done. Let's just leave. This was a fool's errand from the beginning.

        Bundles of money have already been made from this racket. Enough is enough.

        Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

        by truong son traveler on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:27:30 AM PDT

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        •  This war has had so many different generals in (4+ / 0-)

          charge, that I cannot keep up with them.

          But one of those last 3 generals ordered troops to get out of their vehicles, to mingle with the Afghans, exposing troops to all those roadside bombs.

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

          by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:41:01 AM PDT

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          •  mingle with the Afghans (4+ / 0-)

            that might have worked in the beginning. Too late now.

            I located some notes on COIN which I've had for years.

            An operation that kills five insurgents is counterproductive if the collateral damage or the creation of blood feuds leads to the recruitment of fifty more.
            Breaking into family compounds in the middle of the night and droning funerals and first responders, kids strafed gathering firewood, bombing wedding processions are counterproductive actions.

            Gee, why don't they like us!

            Only fools would believe we could "win" this war/occupation through attrition.  

            Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

            by truong son traveler on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:51:30 AM PDT

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    •  Fairy tales can come true or maybe not (1+ / 0-)
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      a last gasp of the Taliban? really?

      Ten days ago, US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta claimed that the green-on-blue attacks, in which Afghan security personnel are killing Coalition forces, were evidence of the "last gasp" of the Taliban.

      His remarks were ill-timed; just days before, the Taliban stormed Camp Bastion in Helmand province, destroying six of the eight aircraft in a USMC Harrier squadron, and killing the squadron commander and a sergeant. Several days later, the US and NATO suspended operations with Afghan forces due to the green-on-blue attacks. Meanwhile, data released by ISAF continues to show that the Taliban remains a resilient fighting force, not one whose "momentum is broken," as President Obama has characterized it. The comments by Panetta and Obama are reminiscent of former Vice President Dick Cheney's remark in 2005 that the Iraqi insurgency was "in the last throes," when it was anything but.
      Reality Check..........
      The overall level of violence in Afghanistan remains much worse than it was prior to the surge.- This is true even if we measure violence using the same statistics cited by the Defense Department and ISAF as signs of progress.

      In recent months, the Taliban-led insurgency has demonstrated the capacity to reverse the positive trends the Defense Department and ISAF have cited as evidence of progress. The DoD and ISAF have cited a decrease in the number of monthly "enemy-initiated attacks," as compared to the same month in the previous year, as evidence that the violence is trending downward. However, the insurgency reversed this trend in three months this year, from April to June, executing more attacks than the same months in 2011. Moreover, the year-over-year comparison used by military officials is misleading, as the overall number of attacks still remains much greater than prior to the surge.

      More than two-thirds (66.9%) of Coalition fatalities have occurred since Jan. 2009

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

      by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 11:06:30 AM PDT

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  •  General Allen "mad as hell" (7+ / 0-)

    U.S. MILITARY DEATHS HIT 2000 IN AFGHANISTAN

    The latest killing of a U.S. serviceman, who died while exchanging fire with allied Afghan soldiers over the weekend, pushed the number of U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan to 2,000.

    The death toll has spiked in recent months, largely due to an increase in insider attacks by Afghanistan army and police.

    Gen. John Allen, a top American commander overseeing troops in Afghanistan, said he was "mad as hell" about the increase during an interview on 60 Minutes on Sunday night. "We're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign, but we're not willing to be murdered for it."

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:54:13 AM PDT

  •  It's okay, the Afghan's have a new pamphlet (7+ / 0-)

    Afghan troops get a lesson in American cultural ignorance

    The pamphlet is intended to “strengthen our understanding of our [NATO] counterpart,” according to an English translation of the pamphlet that was provided to The Washington Post. But in doing so, it also reveals seemingly minor — and rarely acknowledged — cultural faux pas that have created palpable tension between the two forces.

    “Please do not get offended if you see a NATO member blowing his/her nose in front of you,” the guide instructs.

    “When Coalition members get excited, they may show their excitement by patting one another on the back or the behind,” it explains. “They may even do this to you if they are proud of the job you’ve done. Once again, they don’t mean to offend you.”

    And another tip: “When someone feels comfortable in your presence, they may even put their feet on their own desk while speaking with you. They are by no means trying to offend you. They simply don’t know or have forgotten the Afghan custom.” Pointing the soles of one’s shoes at someone is considered a grievous insult in Afghanistan.

    The guide also warns Afghan soldiers that Western troops might wink at them or inquire about their female relatives or expose their private parts while showering — all inappropriate actions by Afghan standards.

    Sweet Jeebus.  

    Leave these people to themselves.

    Leave Now!

    Stop the War.

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 06:57:04 AM PDT

    •  Hi Ed, Sweet Jeebus (6+ / 0-)

      for sure.

      Why does a nation seem to just ignore a war in its second decade (doesn't that seems strange to even read, we're fighting a war in its second decade?) starting the 12th year?

      World Wars were fought and won, and yet with the most expensive military in the world, mired down, bogged down, the war stumbles on.

      When Panetta and the 5 Billion dollars budgeted PR department of the Pentagon tell us how well this war is going, when all we have to do is read the news to know the truth, perhaps they could better spend that 5 Billion on veteran benefits to help those coming back from war.

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

      by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:18:45 AM PDT

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      •  I've been assured (5+ / 0-)

        on this site that Afghanistan is on the Nov 7th list of "important things" that "must" be addressed.  At this point, this is one hell of a list....

        ;-(

        "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

        by EdMass on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:25:46 AM PDT

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      •  This is different because it is a military (4+ / 0-)

        occupation as compared with the World Wars. Now we are learning they can go on forever.

        The worst thing the troops have to deal with (according to their own accounts) in both the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, is that they do not know who is the enemy. That makes them paranoid and nervous. You don't want armed people being paranoid and nervous.

        As for living in an occupation, we had a very small taste of it in Quebec when Trudeau declared military law in that province. Troops descended from everywhere and military vehicles were roaming the streets. Even though there was no actual combat or shots fired it's a very unnerving experience and puts everyone on edge all the time. Imagine that in Afghanistan for over TEN years with plenty of combat on the ground and from the air.

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:42:48 AM PDT

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    •  I hope the Afghans told them posing for the (1+ / 0-)
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      allenjo

      camera as they are urinating on Afghan corpses,and burning a truck load of Korans is also not culturally acceptable.

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 02:25:39 PM PDT

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  •  Why? What's the "Mission"? Is there any... (6+ / 0-)

    tangible, objective proof that the "mission" is being accomplished?  If not, why are we still futilely sacrificing lives in an attempt to reach an unreachable goal?  These are all questions that go through my mind every time I read about another life lost in this interminable war.  

    Gen. Allen spoke about the continued and escalating insider attacks on US/ NATO troops: we're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we're not willing to be murdered for it. (emphasis mine)

    Allen: Well, I'm mad as hell about them, to be honest with you. We're going to get after this. It reverberates everywhere, across the United States. You know, we're willing to sacrifice a lot for this campaign. But we're not willing to be murdered for it.

    Lara Logan: At a certain point, if these attacks continue, the American people are going to say, "We've had enough." Right? "Why are we training these people if they're murdering us?"

    I know I'm at that point, and have been for some time.  

    Recently, Army Gen. Martin Dempsey said the Afghan government needs to take the problem as seriously as do U.S. commanders and officials.

    "We're all seized with (the) problem," Dempsey was quoted as saying. "You can't whitewash it. We can't convince ourselves that we just have to work harder to get through it. Something has to change."

    Except, it's not just a "problem" that can wait to be solved sometime in a distant future--it's an unacceptable situation that has to be ended ASAP.  IMHO, it's an indication that after 11 years, it's time to bring our troops home. They've done their job. The original mission to get OBL has been accomplished; Bin Laden is dead.  Afghanistan has a non-taliban govt.--after 11 years, isn't it time to let them do what they have to in order to keep it--if that's what they want to do? The mission keeps changing, and the goalpost keeps moving.  

    It's more than enough to ask service members to fight alongside allies to help them defend their country, but it's wrong to knowingly leave them vulnerable to attacks by both the taliban, and their "allies".  Slain Marine sensed insider attack was coming, dad says..

    ...Greg Buckley Jr. sensed that an attack was imminent.

    And he knew that it would come from within.

    The 21-year-old Marine was posted to Garmsir in Helmand Province, where he was training local security forces as part of NATO's planned withdrawal in 2014...

    It was during a static-filled phone call to his father over the summer that the Long Island native mentioned a run-in he had with an Afghan trainee while on guard duty...

    "The guy turned around and said to Greg, 'We don't want you here. We don't need you here..'" his dad said...

    About a month later, Greg phoned his father again.

    "He told me if I have to stay here until November... I'm not going to come home."

    Greg also asked his father to prepare to tell his mother and his two younger brothers that he'd be killed.

    "I don't understand," his father said. "Out in the field?'

    "No, in our base," Greg replied.

    4 NATO troops killed in 'insider' attack in Afghanistan

    On August 10, 2012, Greg Buckley Jr. was gunned down by the very forces he had been training, just days after learning that he was to head home early.

    "It was only two days he had left there in Afghanistan," his father told CNN....

    When does the cost exceed the benefit?  

    •  "We've had enough." 11 years was too long (4+ / 0-)

      12 years is not acceptable.

      Lara Logan: At a certain point, if these attacks continue, the American people are going to say,

      "We've had enough." Right?
      "Why are we training these people if they're murdering us?"

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

      by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:47:04 AM PDT

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      •  Training them to "murder us" and giving them... (3+ / 0-)

        up close access too.  Enough, enough of the insanity.  

        •  Our troops are not even safe in their bases.... (4+ / 0-)

          a run-in he had with an Afghan trainee while on guard duty...

          "The guy turned around and said to Greg, 'We don't want you here. We don't need you here..'" his dad said...

          About a month later, Greg phoned his father again.

          "He told me if I have to stay here until November... I'm not going to come home."

          Greg also asked his father to prepare to tell his mother and his two younger brothers that he'd be killed.

          "I don't understand," his father said. "Out in the field?'

          "No, in our base," Greg replied.

          4 NATO troops killed in 'insider' attack in Afghanistan

          On August 10, 2012, Greg Buckley Jr. was gunned down by the very forces he had been training, just days after learning that he was to head home early.

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

          by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:12:53 AM PDT

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  •  Come on Generals, Let's Move Fast...... (4+ / 0-)

    Country Joe's

    What are we fighting for?

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 07:43:59 AM PDT

  •  Now officially the longest war in US history (5+ / 0-)

    so glad for all the progress made by this Pointless War has made. Honestly seems worse now than ever before.

    I do support the troops. I DO NOT support politicians and generals that have persisted this abomination.

    "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth." - Morpheus

    by CitizenOfEarth on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:11:06 AM PDT

  •  from The Onion..... (3+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, joe shikspack, aliasalias

    Commanding General In Afghanistan Has No Idea How War Is Going, Just Trying To Ignore It At This Point

    Kind of like the American public has......

    Admitting he hasn't been following combat operations all that closely lately, Gen. John R. Allen, the top commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan, told reporters Monday he has "no idea" how the war is going and, at this point, is trying to ignore the whole situation as best he can.

    "As far as I know, we're still slowly making progress with our counterinsurgency efforts against the Taliban, but to be honest, I haven't been keeping up with all that stuff and couldn't really say for sure," a shrugging Allen told reporters at NATO headquarters in Kabul. "It's not really part of my day-to-day anymore, so I can't help you out with any specifics on current missions or casualty figures or anything like that. It's really not where my focus is at right now."

    "Sure, I hear things about ongoing operations here and there," the four-star Marine Corps general continued. "But for the most part I’m pretty much checked out of this one."

    Allen stated "they all kind of blur together after a while" and nowadays he simply prefers to tune them out.

    http://www.theonion.com/...

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 08:49:11 AM PDT

  •  General Petraeus takes command-July 2, 2010 (2+ / 0-)
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    General Petraeus takes command of the Afghanistan war

    General Petraeus arrived in Kabul today to take over the Afghanistan war effort.

    Afghans say he faces a limited window to rein in corruption, make the Karzai government more accountable, and create momentum toward peace.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/...

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 09:04:32 AM PDT

  •  will be war's 6th commanding general in 4 years (2+ / 0-)
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    Genera McChrystal June 15, 2009, to June 23, 2010

    After McChrystal was fired, command was immediately assumed by the deputy commander, British General Sir Nicholas "Nick" Parker, pending the confirmation of a replacement.

    So in 2009 when Obama started
    General David McKiernan
    General McChrystal
    British General Sir Nicholas "Nick" Parker
    General Petraeus
    General Allen leaving in Jan 2013

    awaiting confirmation now is Marine Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr

    Allen's expected departure in January will give him only a year and a half in Afghanistan, a relatively short tenure for a senior combat commander. Dunford has never served in Afghanistan.

    So the 6th commanding general in 4 years..........

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 09:29:12 AM PDT

  •  Pentagon officials are playing down the "setbacks" (1+ / 0-)
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    Privately, some U.S. military officers warn that if Afghan security forces continue to turn on Western troops, rather than fight the Taliban insurgents,it may prompt the White House to speed up the pace of U.S. withdrawals next year, especially if President Obama is reelected.

    Allen is in talks with the administration on how quickly to bring out the remaining troops and how many will stay on as advisers and trainers after 2014. Military commanders may seek to keep as many as 15,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, but the White House has yet to approve any such deployment.

    With the White House focused on the presidential race, senior Pentagon officials are playing down the setbacks and questions about whether the withdrawal strategy developed by Allen and the White House remains workable.

    "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

    by allenjo on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 10:12:21 AM PDT

    •  Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan could be speeded (1+ / 0-)
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      up, says Rasmussen in this Guardian article:

      Exclusive: Redeployment of some troops might be accelerated, says Nato chief who admits 'green on blue' attacks have hit morale...

      The retreat of western forces from Afghanistan could come sooner than expected, the head of Nato has said...

      In an interview with the Guardian Nato's secretary-general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, responded to pressure for a faster withdrawal from Afghanistan by stating that the options were being studied and should be clear within three months.

      "From now until the end of 2014 you may see adaptation of our presence... "From now until the end of 2014 we will see announcements of redeployments, withdrawals or drawdown … If the security situation allows, I would not exclude the possibility that in certain areas you could accelerate the process...."
      ...On the pace and phasing of withdrawal...Rasmussen said a key moment would come later this year when General John Allen, the US overall commander of the operations, delivered a report with his military recommendations...
  •  Republished to Group W (1+ / 0-)
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    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 01, 2012 at 11:17:57 AM PDT

  •  They don't want us there/we don't want to be there (0+ / 0-)

    Time to go.

    That sad country will probably be even worse off, with the return of even more psychotic Islamists, now better armed than ever.  

    The Afghan women will be particularly screwed.

    I don't know any solution--maybe the abandonment of their religion would help.

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