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IT JUST DOESN"T MATTER!!!!

I watched the debate and spent most of it yelling at the tv.
I gnashed my teeth at Romney's lies and failure to provide details.
I agonized over what I perceived as President Obama's failure to respond and
put the hammer down on Romney...

BUT IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...

Nothing Romney said changed my mind in any way.  I will still work to see that the President gets re-elected, I will still make calls and talk to everyone who will listen about my Pressident and why he's the ONLY choice for me and all thinking women.

He still gets my vote and my confidence that his policies are the right way to go.

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  •  I had to turn those cats off last night. (14+ / 0-)

    I thought Chris Matthews was going to stroke out and the way they were all yelling at each other was so unprofessional.  I get that they are pissed, but Matthews telling him to watch hardball to learn how to debate was the last straw for me.

    You're a cable news anchor, Chris, he's the President of the United States.  It was out of line and ridiculous.

  •  Guess What (4+ / 0-)
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    belzaboo, Keith930, bevenro, erush1345

    It does matter. Because a majority of people. One on gut, not information. They don't double check, they just accet whys presented. So there will be people voting for Romney be ause that debate will be the extent to which they research.

    http://callatimeout.blogspot.com/

    by DAISHI on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:19:10 AM PDT

  •  as Al Hunt said, "I'm trying to get paid" /nt (0+ / 0-)

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:24:45 AM PDT

  •  Daily Kos members aren't the debate (7+ / 0-)

    target audience, for Pete's sake. Some polls DO show Romney's approval numbers moved up. That is not good, and it does matter.

    Self delusion is not helpful. Better to get on the damage control bus.

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:24:54 AM PDT

  •  They were so angry and disappointed (1+ / 0-)
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    greengemini

    at Obama it sounded like they were criticizing Gen. McCllellan for his performance at Antietam.

    Romney fires people and then complains they don't pay taxes.

    by Red Bean on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:29:18 AM PDT

    •  If you know anything about Antietam (0+ / 0-)

      It was basically a Pyrrhic victory for the North.

      McClellan was too timid and could have seriously hurt the Army of Northern Virginia. Perhaps fatally.

      •  What I know is that McClellan is always (0+ / 0-)

        criticized for not attacking when he had the advantage. Often the criticism comes with a lot of baffled exasperation. The panel last night made that kind of critique against the president. i heard them say that Obama could have put the election away with an aggressive performance. That speaks to your point.

        Romney fires people and then complains they don't pay taxes.

        by Red Bean on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:43:01 AM PDT

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    •  Obama was as effective as the Maginot Line (3+ / 0-)
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      annecros, Red Bean, erush1345

      If you want another war analogy.

      The president had better have a much more effective strategy for the next battle, errr, debate.

      Please help to fight hunger with a donation to Feeding America.

      by MJB on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:48:19 AM PDT

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  •  Am I dreaming? (5+ / 0-)
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    AndyZ, Bunbun, Sylv, Rosalie907, crankypatriot

    I am already in the Obama camp, but Romney made me extremely uncomfortable last night, not only with his blatant rope a dope lies, but with his almost manic behavior. He acted like he was on uppers.

    The President has to keep reminding himself next time to raise his chin. Looking down makes him look sad. Otherwise, he performed the way he always does in a debate. He is not and never has been confrontational

    "Even in the valley of the shadow of death, two and two do not make six." Leo Tolstoy

    by Miss Pip on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:33:59 AM PDT

    •  looking down made him look tenuous and (0+ / 0-)

      perhaps even a bit self doubting.  Rueful that he had to go through this.  

      At least he didn't check his wristwatch.

      Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

      by Keith930 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:42:54 AM PDT

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    •  He was looking down at Lehrer (0+ / 0-)

      The placement of the moderator was poor, forcing Obama to look down to address him.  Romney didn't bother looking at Lehrer.  I also think Lehrer's position is part of why he lost control of the debate.

      •  Romney was so "high" from uppers he thought he was (2+ / 0-)
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        Sylv, bewareofme

        on stage alone...LOL.  His mental state is so bizarre that it's difficult to ascertain if he was on uppers because the concept of losing is inconsistent with his egocentric view of himself.....or if they took him off his psychotropic drugs for bipolar disorder to 'unleash' the Real Romney.

        Either way, when we review his persona/affect and his inability to control himself and listen to the rules, it's clear that Romney was totally out of control.

        The content of what he was saying was lost on his presentation because people were totally stunned to see him so out of control.  But the content will come back to haunt him  as his "ultimate Etch-A-Sketch moment".

        This will be utilized against him in subsequent debates.  Once his deranged base realizes that he abandoned the entire GOP platform, they will join the ranks of those realizing that Mitt Romney is an unstable man.

        OBAMA/BIDEN 2012! GOTV!

        by Bunbun on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:09:48 AM PDT

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    •  "He acted like he was on uppers." (0+ / 0-)

      It was Mitt's first taste of coffee.  Way too stimulating.

      Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

      by tom 47 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:40:27 AM PDT

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  •  The only consolation for me was this (0+ / 0-)

    I watched the debate, and got frustrated like many here...but somewhere around the 50 minute mark I said to myself...this debate is mind numbingly dull, and really isn't shining a light on either mans' position.  It was a debate that, due to the lack of moderation, and the constant interruptions, probably made a lot of people who tuned in but who aren't political junkies, probably made their eyes glaze over and their minds shut down.

    Having said that...if people tuned the words out, all that leaves is the optics and the body language.  And Romney was clearly the hungriest candidate on the stage.  Obama, I hate to say, almost came off as an undecided voter himself...a man unsure of just how desirous he was of a second term to lead this country.

    That impression matters.

    Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:37:11 AM PDT

  •  This isn't a football game... (6+ / 0-)

    MSNBC's initial response was absurd. Romney lied, bullied and looked anything but Presidential. Obama stayed calm and laid out the facts of what he was up against when he got into office and what he has accomplished. It's in the media's best financial interest to make the race seem tight. Romney could have given the finger to the camera and the "pundits" would have said he kicked ass. It's time for the media to stop treating serious issues like a fantasy football game.

    •  The MSM only cares about dollars (0+ / 0-)

      and the powers that be in the "reichwing media" had determined Mitt to be the winner even before the first question was asked.

      As Olberman tweeted:  It's all about the MSM making money (sorry, folks, they don't give a rat's pitoot about any of us - or - truth).  The polls were making it look like a landslide so they'd already determined that CNN would come out with a "bogus poll" immediately after the debate which then further skewed people's perception about Obama not acting like a dick and making a jackass out of himself like Romney did....

      They want to make it a football game or a horse race but they are playing with ordinary people's lives and should be ashamed of themselves.

      Candy Crowley, the 'right wing crone/hack" should be summarily removed from the next debate after what CNN did to pull the wool over everyone's eyes with their bogus "Snap Poll".  

      OBAMA/BIDEN 2012! GOTV!

      by Bunbun on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 09:02:39 AM PDT

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      •  Bunbun - it's clearly the case that the MSM (1+ / 0-)
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        nextstep

        wants a closer horse race down the stretch. It is in their economic self interest. However, Obama lost the debate last night and we should all stop whining. The President has big leads in the swing states, lots of cash, and two more debates ahead.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 10:17:12 AM PDT

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  •  Wonder what "upper" TwitMitt was on?? (2+ / 0-)
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    crankypatriot, bewareofme

    He came across as manic and overdone; obviously, he was on some sort of upper meds last night.  His motor mouth was the giveaway.  He really skeeved me out with his affect quite honestly.  His Etch-A-Sketch flipflop from the entire GOP platform was pretty amazing.  His lies will come back to haunt him and his motor mouth word salad will soon be viewed as being 'unstable' which, we already can confirm, him to be.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2012! GOTV!

    by Bunbun on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:49:31 AM PDT

  •  What you think doesn't much matter. (3+ / 0-)
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    erush1345, nextstep, VClib
    Nothing Romney said changed my mind in any way.
    Of course not; you wouldn't be here if you weren't partisan.  What matters is how the undecided, mushy middle reacts.  Not how you do.
  •  Remember: Slow & Steady wins the race! (1+ / 0-)
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    bewareofme

    I believe that President Obama allowed Mr. Motor Mouth to finally hang himself with now having plenty of outright "lies" to solidify the fact that the man cannot be trusted and will say anything to get elected.  '

    The only reason this nitwit is running for President is for the pure ego trip of it all - he's a mad, power-hungry maniac and this personality defect came through last night loud and clear.

    He's nothing more than a filthy rich caricature of the stereotypical "used Car salesman".  He made my head hurt to just listen to his manic screed.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2012! GOTV!

    by Bunbun on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:52:16 AM PDT

  •  And soon we will see 'what else may have been (1+ / 0-)
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    billlaurelMD

    going on' in our President's life/day which may have overshadowed this debate for him.  After all, TwittMitt only has his ambition to be president to think about; President Obama is running this country which is a huge, complex task at this point.

    Ann Romney couldn't have state it more succinctly:  "We have to be concerned about Mitt's mental health".  

    Last night every shrink in this country knew precisely what Ann was talking about.

    The man is a manic/depressive and we got to see his manic (unmedicated) side front and center.  He couldn't stop his mouth if he wanted to which tells the tale.

    What did he actually say that was anything new erupting from a spineless, coreless man with only his flagrant ambition for power to state?  Absolutely zilch!

    No facts (hell, they've disregarded fact checkers all along) and blatant lying in our face....nothing new to see here.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2012! GOTV!

    by Bunbun on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:56:03 AM PDT

  •  Confirmed: Romney IS still a total BULLY! (2+ / 0-)
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    crankypatriot, buffie

    I'm surprised he didn't tackle Obama last night, hold him down and cut off his hair, for jeeper's sakes!

    His almost demented form of mania was embarrassing for anyone with an ounce of sense, convention, or class to be appalled by.  

    There is no longer any doubt about the fact that MITT ROMNEY 'IS' THE QUINTESSENTIAL BULLY.  It's the one thing he's pretty accomplished at being.

    OBAMA/BIDEN 2012! GOTV!

    by Bunbun on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 08:58:38 AM PDT

  •  the media is nuts (0+ / 0-)

    Joe Klein said Obama had the worse debate of any incumbent president in his lifetime. Halperin compared Romney to Reagan saying it was the greatest debate performance since Reagan by a republican.
    The media so wants a dead heat! Sure Obama sucked but he made no mistakes just let Romney lie his ass off.
    Also the ratings were very good, I am guessing including cable over 50 million people watched.

  •  Dear Chris, Ed, et all (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for all the great comments! I was happy to read them all.

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