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Last night, Jon Stewart focused on Obama's poor debate performance, along with Romney's lies, and then had some advice for Obama that encapsulated the real disappointment that many liberals have.

There is no red America, there is no blue America, there is only the America that can't believe how bad this guy did in the debate!  How bad was the defeat?  Obama lost despite Mitt Romney doing this.
MITT ROMNEY (10/3/2012): I'm sorry, Jim, I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS.  I'm going to stop other things.  I like PBS, I love Big Bird.  Actually like you, too.  But I'm not going to — I'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for.
Motherfucker fired Big Bird!!  (audience laughter and applause)  America's favorite non-fried bird!  Motherfucker fired Big Bird and won!  Beloved children's character Big Bird, and the sad truth is Romney could've waterboarded Aladdin, put down Blue, deported Dora the Explorer and still won walking away!

....

Here's what's perhaps most maddening.  For the past year and a half, you, Mr. President, have inundated this country with urgent e-mails, begging for support, and money, and energy, and money, and money, and money.

And it's not just the number of e-mails, it's the intensity of their content.  "This Is Our One Shot".  "Say You're In".  "Your Response Is Critical".  "I Can't Do This On My Own".  And by the way, you made that abundantly clear last night!

But the point is this.  You and your campaign have demanded a level of effort, urgency, and relentlessness from your supporters.  A level of effort, urgency, and relentlessness you failed to display in a national presidential debate.  Shouldn't your urgency and passion be on par with the urgency and passion of your e-blasts?  Or are you not on your mailing lists?

I'm tempted to leave you with the wise words of a noted actor, whose campaign viral video has been forwarded to my inbox 1,900 times by some of your more passionate followers.  I believe it goes a little something like this.

SAMUEL L. JACKSON (9/27/2012): Wake the fuck up.
Video and full transcript below the fold.

All right, we all know this is a deeply divided nation, or at least it was until last night, when something happened that brought all Americans together in agreement.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX (10/3/2012): President Obama took a shellacking.

ED SCHULTZ (10/3/2012): He was not properly prepared for this!

JAMES CARVILLE (10/3/2012): The President didn't bring his A game.

JOE KLEIN (10/4/2012): He was just so dull.

AUSTAN GOOLESBEE (10/4/2012): He looked tired to me.

STUART VARNEY (10/4/2012): Romney won hands down.

ANN COULTER (10/4/2012): He was very, very bad last night.

There is no red America, there is no blue America, there is only the America that can't believe how bad this guy did in the debate!  How bad was the defeat?  Obama lost despite Mitt Romney doing this.
MITT ROMNEY (10/3/2012): I'm sorry, Jim, I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS.  I'm going to stop other things.  I like PBS, I love Big Bird.  Actually like you, too.  But I'm not going to — I'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from China to pay for.
Motherfucker fired Big Bird!!  (audience laughter and applause)  America's favorite non-fried bird!  Motherfucker fired Big Bird and won!  Beloved children's character Big Bird, and the sad truth is Romney could've waterboarded Aladdin, put down Blue, deported Dora the Explorer and still won walking away!

Romney won with the sound up.

MITT ROMNEY (10/3/2012): You're entitled as President to your own airplane and to your own house, but not to your own facts.
Romney won with the sound off.

Dude, he's yelling at you!  Look up!  Look up!  What are you looking at?  What are you writing that's so important?  What are you doing?

Oh, that's nice.  That is impressive work.  I didn't realize that.  Maybe you could give that to Mitt Romney as a souvenir of the night he crushed you in that debate.

And here's the thing.  Obama lost even though Romney was lying his ass off the entire night!

MITT ROMNEY (10/3/2012): On Medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting $716 billion dollars from the program.
He's not cutting $716 billion from the program!  He's negotiating lower payment formulas to providers and insurance companies, aka, the exact same thing that's in Paul Ryan's budget plan!
MITT ROMNEY (10/3/2012): You put $90 billion dollars into green jobs ... and these businesses, many of them have gone out of business, I think about half of them, of the ones that have been invested in have gone out of business.
Well, almost half.  Out of nearly three dozen, three of them have gone out.  So that's almost half, except, aka, nowhere fucking near half!
MITT ROMNEY (10/3/2012): The President said he'd cut the deficit in half.  Unfortunately, he doubled it.
It went down!  It went from $1.2 trillion when he took office to $1.1 trillion now!  Mr. President, are you just going to let him roll you?
10/3/2012:

JIM LEHRER: Mr. President, two minutes.

BARACK OBAMA: When I walked in the Oval Office, I had more than a trillion dollar deficit greeting me.  And we know where it came from. ... We had to take some initial emergency measures to make sure we didn't slip into a Great Depression. ... Let's make sure that we are cutting out those things that are not helping us grow. ... 18 government programs for education that were well-intentioned ... medical fraud in Medicare and Medicaid ... Republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. ... A specific $4 trillion dollar deficit reduction plan.  It's on our website.  You can look at all the numbers. ... Let me just finish this point, because you're looking for contrast.

JIM LEHRER: Way over the two minutes.

BARACK OBAMA: Sorry.

You went over your time??  And yet somehow managed in all that overtime to not turn and look your opponent in the eye and just mention what he said was untrue?  Not even a quick sneeze before your answer, not even a quick "Bullshit"?  No need to be coy?  Let me see if I can come up with a 2-minute answer that might have been more effective.

"LLLLIIIIIIIIIIAAAAARRRRRR!!!!  LIE LIE LIAR LIE LIE LIAR LIE!  LIE LIE LIE LIAR!  LIE ROMNEY LIE!  ROMNEY LIE-A-LIE!"  "Your time is up."  "Shut your fat pie-hole, Lehrer!  I'm the Commander-In-Chief.  I don't take orders from Totebag Johnny.  LIE LIE LIE!!"

What'd you think, Lehrer was going to bail you out, hold Romney's feet to the fire?  Lehrer spent the night trying to figure out who was who.

JIM LEHRER (10/3/2012): What are the differences between the two of you as to how you would go about tackling the deficit? ... Do you believe there's a fundamental difference between the two of you as to how you view the mission of the federal government? ... Do you see a major difference between the two of you on Social Security? ... What is the difference? ... Let's move to health care, where I know there is a clear difference.
"You're both around the same height.  Is there a difference in your weights?  Is there?  I see energy-wise, there's a difference.  This gentleman here appears to be on Ambien, and the other gentleman appears to have tried caffeine for the first time in his life.  Have you guys noticed that too?"

Seriously, it's like minutes before the debate, Scott Bakula Quantum Leaped into ehrere's body, and then had to figure out where the fuck he was.  "All right, two people on stage, there's an audience, uh... what's the difference between them?"  And then Bakula's like, "Hey Dean Stockwell, am I here to prevent a crime, or what the hell's going on around here?  Anyway, my point is, Quantum Leap is a really good show.

Anyway, here's the saddest part.  Despite Romney's best effort at lying, the only category Obama defeated Romney in was biggest lie of the night.

10/3/2012:

JIM LEHRER: I'm not going to grade the two of you and say your answers have been too long or I've done a poor job.

BARACK OBAMA: You've done a great job.

(shakes head)

Look, I don't get this.  I honestly don't get this.  Mr. President, you seem to either be annoyed to be there, or reluctant to make your case.  Because I'm assuming you have a case, which would be a whole other issue.  You know, I hate to do this to you, sir.  Camera 3, please.

Hi, Mr. President.  You know, look.  I know you probably dread having to spend 90 minutes debating some knucklehead from Harvard who's just going to rrr rrr rrr rrr rrr all night.  Believe me, I know.  I've been there.  Or... will be Saturday at 8.  (wild audience cheering)  No camera on in the green room, right?

But you know, Mr. President, everyone has parts of their jobs that they don't like as much.  But they still have to do those things if they want to keep those jobs.  And if you don't want to do it for yourself, think of your supporters.  Look what your performance did last night to one of them.

CHRIS MATTHEWS (10/3/2012): I don't know what he was doing out there. ... I don't know how he let Romney get away with the crap he threw out. ... What was he doing tonight?  He went in there disarmed! ... Where was Obama tonight?
You happy?  Mr. President, you broke Chris Matthews!  Now nobody can use him!  Now, admittedly, Matthews not a complex machine, everyone knows he's just a simple potato battery, but still!  He likes you!

And even the people who don't like you were somewhat stunned at the poor performance.  Even Osama bin Laden, from the bottom of his watery grave, watched, and was like, "That's the guy that killed me?"

"Really?  Mr. Look Down at the Paper All Night shot me in the face?"

Here's what's perhaps most maddening.  For the past year and a half, you, Mr. President, have inundated this country with urgent e-mails, begging for support, and money, and energy, and money, and money, and money.

And it's not just the number of e-mails, it's the intensity of their content.  "This Is Our One Shot".  "Say You're In".  "Your Response Is Critical".  "I Can't Do This On My Own".  And by the way, you made that abundantly clear last night!

But the point is this.  You and your campaign have demanded a level of effort, urgency, and relentlessness from your supporters.  A level of effort, urgency, and relentlessness you failed to display in a national presidential debate.  Shouldn't your urgency and passion be on par with the urgency and passion of your e-blasts?  Or are you not on your mailing lists?

I'm tempted to leave you with the wise words of a noted actor, whose campaign viral video has been forwarded to my inbox 1,900 times by some of your more passionate followers.  I believe it goes a little something like this.

SAMUEL L. JACKSON (9/27/2012): Wake the fuck up.
We'll be right back.
Jon then followed that up with another segment of Polish That Turd for how Obama campaign surrogates tried to spin that debate performance.
Meanwhile, Stephen also covered the Big Bird remark, and then noted how angry Chris Matthews was at Obama, and noted the two candidates'
body language, before looking at how Romney Etch-A-Sketched his positions away.
He then looked at how Pennsylvania is still trying to make it harder to vote.
Jon had on Bill O'Reilly in anticipation of this Saturday's debate, and Stephen had on geneticist George Church.

Originally posted to BruinKid on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:00 AM PDT.

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  •  Too soon for me to watch. (1+ / 0-)
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    Sherri in TX

    Sigh.

    Repubs started up the car, hit the throttle and sent it over the cliff, and now they're complaining that the black guy hasn't fixed it fast enough.

    by Bush Bites on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:14:32 AM PDT

  •  It's the 1% vs the 99% (4+ / 0-)

    99% of the time Stewart is funny, perceptive & incisive.

    1% of the time he's a hysterical nitwit clutching his pearls of whizzdumb.

    The stuff in this diary is pure 1%.

    As the huge splash for Mitt subsides, even the chickenlittling poundits will realize it was only his campaign being tossed overboard in concrete galoshes--cast from all the lies & stupidity the Rombot poured out before a national audience as he GishGalloped through the "debate."

    I don't think it's the Obama campaign that needs to "wake the fuck up." Stewart & Co. need to chill the fuck out. The President's got this. Big Bird alone will sink Rmoney--& there's so much more...

    Fuck the mythical “moral high ground”. There’s plenty of time to shower after the election. (h/t danah gaz (fka gaz) @ Balloon-Juice)

    by Uncle Cosmo on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:22:37 AM PDT

    •  thats my take too (1+ / 0-)
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      wintergreen8694

      im mostly just tired of stewart and his idea of "fair". he feels he has to bash the left too. even when there was no reason.

      and maybe it's just be  but "polish that turd" just isnt funny

      "With malice toward none, with charity for all..." -Abraham Lincoln not a modern republican

      by live1 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:28:42 AM PDT

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    •  there's so much more than sinking Romney (1+ / 0-)
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      Big River Bandido

      Romney's already done. If your sole concern is re-electing Obama, right, probably nothing to worry about.

      But to me the point is to establish a Democratic brand/narrative/vision that will win continually. President, Congress on down.

      Dems have failed at this for over a generation, despite the GOP becoming more extreme and hateful. Obama failed again the other night with his unfocused performance.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 06:15:33 AM PDT

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      •  "All politics is local" (Tip O'Neill) (0+ / 0-)

        If we hold the Senate & flip the House, it'll be one state & one district at a time.

        The only way Obama can help is by providing long coattails, & Democrats at the local level can lengthen them by hammering home how GOP obstruction has hamstrung his Administration. Elizabeth Warren's doing a bangup job of that in MA.

        Once candidates at state & CD level get that line of attack rolling, I expect the Obama campaign will be more than happy to show up & pile on. But l the candidates are going to need to create the conditions to convince Obama to jump in.

        Fuck the mythical “moral high ground”. There’s plenty of time to shower after the election. (h/t danah gaz (fka gaz) @ Balloon-Juice)

        by Uncle Cosmo on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 08:23:19 AM PDT

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  •  There's lies...and then there's lies (0+ / 0-)

    This person says Romney lied when he said that Obama, who promised to cut the previous administration's deficit in half, instead doubled it.  Well, granted, that's not exactly true.  Obama didn't double the deficit.  Since Bush's highest single year deficit was $400B, and Obama has exceeded a trillion every year, it's more like Obama tripled it.  Let's be accurate, shall we.

    •  Guess the off-budget wars dont count. (3+ / 0-)
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    •  If you use wingnut accounting (0+ / 0-)

      Where the Bush policies that continue to impact the deficit every year (wars, borrowing for wars, tax cuts, Medicare part D) are attributed to Obama. It's a neat trick but I wonder why you play it here with those who know better.

      •  Let's be accurate, shall we? (0+ / 0-)

        Bush can't take all the credit for the two wars.  Both actions were approved by Congress....in large majorities.  Just sayin'.  Funny how one is viewed as a "good war" and the other as a "bad war".  As a war vet, my view is all wars are bad.  Some are necessary and bad, some are not necessary and doubly bad.

        Bush's medicare prescription program was totally bad policy.  Non-starter.  Very expensive.

        On the other hand, Bush presided over several major accomplishments.

        Obama has gotten a ton of mileage out of blaming Bush.  If re-elected I'm sure he will find additional.  He'll need it.

        •  Troll feeding time (0+ / 0-)

          It's not about blaming Bush. It's about accurately diagnosing a problem in order to create a meaningful solution.

          Truth: Our debt originates in policies implemented by Bush, including their longterm financial consequences.

          Truth: If we are blaming Obama for the longterm financial consequences of Bush-era policy decisions, then we sure as hell aren't blaming Congress for Bush-era policy decisions. You have to decide if the President is ALWAYS responsible or NEVER responsible. You don't get to shift back and forth according to partisan convenience.

          Truth: The Bush neo-cons got us into Iraq. Without a Cheney presidency there would have been no Iraq war. And probably a short, effective war in Afghanistan resulting in the capture and execution of Bin Laden within a few years. Yes, Commander in Chief takes the blame for all those bad decisions, even though we all know he was just the doofus signing off on Cheney's grand evil schemes.

          I don't know what "major accomplishments" Bush can take credit for (aside from effectively fighting AIDS in Africa) but he was definitely the man in charge during the 9/11 attacks, the nonsensical insane war in Iraq, the unnecessary deficit-creating Bush tax cuts and - the grand finale! - the total meltdown of the American and global economy!

          Wow! How crazy of any of us to remember that ancient history from four years ago, and try to prevent its architects from coming back into power.

          •  Go ahead, feed the troll. I'm hungry (0+ / 0-)

            Before we begin, let me remind you that W inherited a recession from Clinton.  That would be March 2001. Who knew the vaunted "DOT.COM" bubble would burst?  Then the 9/11 radical Islam attack drove us further into the hole.  By the start of the 4th quarter 2001, we were deep in it.

            Now, Bush accomplishments.  Two major ones;
            1. Following Bush' s Economic Tax Relief Act of 2003 (passed in 2002), the US had 52 consecutive months of real job growth, a record.  Slow at first, then accelerated.

            2. After the recession, 24 consecutive quarters of GDP growth, also a record.  After the tax relief act, it  accelerated, reaching its high point in 2004, the highest growth rate since 1984.  Including the losses of 2001 and 2008, average monthly GDP growth under Bush was 2.54%.  Amazing what happens when you allow people to keep more of their paychecks.  

            Also, in the 3 years from 2005 through 2007, federal tax revenues grew faster than the economy. Then the housing/subprime crisis of 2008 ended it all.  2.6M jobs lost last 9 months of 2008.  By the way, the runaway GSEs, the primary cause of the collapse, were not Bush policy.  

            Oh, the Federal government is responsible for war, Executive and Legislative.  I think both wars, at least as fought, were unnecessary.  

            •  Won't go with you point by point (0+ / 0-)

              I'll just say this:

              Any statistics you can cherry pick from Bush's term were of a ruinous boom and bust economy. The ultimate result was very clear:

              - Net job loss, to a catastrophic degree if we include 2009, as we logically must

              - An economic CATASTROPHE that very easily could have devolved into a worldwide depression but which crisis was averted by Obama

              - A foreign policy failure of the most massive and tragic variety. Starting with the failure of intelligence that led to 9/11 and continuing to the foreign policy DISASTER of sending thousands of our American soldiers to die in a war against a country that had not harmed us.

              You're a fucking moron. I won't be answering you again. That Bush apologists still exist, and are still trolling dKos, is a miracle. It reminds us all that we need to keep holding the Bush Debacle up to the light, because this country is still filled with morons who don't understand what he did to this country.

              •  Wrong again.... (0+ / 0-)

                First, I didn't cherry pick.  The two major accomplishments are in the record archives and they are what they are.

                Second, not a net job loss for Bush, not close even if you count 2009.  Also, if you count 2009 against Bush, you have to count 2001 against Clinton, when unemployment went from 4.5% to 6.3%.

                Third, you ignored the direct cause of the "crisis" of 2008, the housing/subprime debacle.  You should look it up.  It started 30 years ago, accelerated greatly under Clinton. Find out who proposed legislation twice, in 2001 and again in 2005, to rein in the GSEs.  Facts are our friends.

                Finally, when facts get in the way, leave it to a liberal to retreat to obscene language and name-calling.  Very instructive.  Bye.

    •  Silly troll with 12 comments in the last 5 years!! (0+ / 0-)

      Trix are for kids!!

      Best-selling true crime author Corey Mitchell. Please, buy my books!

      by liquidman on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:50:55 AM PDT

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      •  True (0+ / 0-)

        I haven't come here much.  I was in and out of the country for most of the last 4 years.  Had I been here, however, I still wouldn't have visited much.  Not many here tolerate differences of opinion.  They prefer the very narrow progressive venue and debate is frowned upon, hardly tolerated at all.  I have a very thick skin and relish debate, but I can't get that here.  Same now, if not worse, than in 2007.

        No, I'll jump in once in a while to stir the pot, as it were.  That's all.  Please, carry on.

  •  I don't know exactly what it is, but there is (2+ / 0-)
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    something I find kind of annoying when Jon Stewart goes after democrats.

    Maybe it's because he seems to be overreacting, or is too agressive for the "sin" he perceived, or because he is less funny.

    He seems to focus on those moments to prove he is fair to both sides.

    Take Obama for example. Obama was far from being on is "A" game during the debate. But the reaction by Stewart (and by Chris Matthews, by the way), is way over the top.

    Come on, Jon. That happens. It's not like Obama is running an awful campaing full of gaffes, lies and dull speeches. What would Stewart say if Obama had been running the kind of campaing Romney has led?

    Obama is most of the time energetic, motivated, "fired up", intelligent, thoughtful, has great "zingers" (remember Mitt's tendency to shoot first and aim later?), and accomplished incredible stuff in office in the face of the worst economic recession since the 1930's and in the face of a unanimous obstructionism-hatred-filled Congress and country.

    Obama's a great president.

    And then, he has a bad night, because, you know, he's still a human being, and then, you freakout, and lecture the President about how he should run his campaing?

    Come on.

    I hate when people seem to think they know better than the President how to do his job.

    •  That's because he tells the truth, (3+ / 0-)
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      and makes it funny.

      I don't know exactly what it is, but there is something I find kind of annoying when Jon Stewart goes after democrats.
      Democrats aren't saints, they always deserve to be criticized when they're wrong.  
      I hate when people seem to think they know better than the President how to do his job.
      He works for us, so, yeah, it's not only okay to tell him how we want any president to do the job we hired them to do but it is mandatory in a democracy to do just that.

      He even says:  Hold my feet to the fire, make me do it.

      •  There's a difference (1+ / 0-)
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        emal
        He works for us, so, yeah, it's not only okay to tell him how we want any president to do the job we hired them to do but it is mandatory in a democracy to do just that.
        There's a difference between asking the president what we want, which is normal, of course, and acting like we would do a better job than him from the comfort of our sofas.

        It's a nuance, but it makes all the difference.

        I'm not against critiques of the President. Just against people thinking they are more intelligent, more bright, more educated about everything than him.

        And by the way, this is also a constructive criticism, because apart from that, I think Jon Stewart (and Colbert for that matter) is great, and I watch him every night.

  •  that's awesome (4+ / 0-)

    Jon speaks for me, esp. in that last bit.

    the Dems want us to make a major effort.

    We'll do it, but it's a lot easier if the party leaders show commitment to the project.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:37:57 AM PDT

  •  Syria/Turkey (1+ / 0-)
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    wintergreen8694

    I wonder if he walked into that debate right after a briefing on the Syria/Turkey problem? He may have had something more important on his mind such as are we going to have to try and stop a major war.

    "A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world." Oscar Wilde

    by michelewln on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 05:39:06 AM PDT

  •  Just asking a favor... (4+ / 0-)

    Fellow Dems, lets not fail like our opponents do. They repeatedly deny reality. Over and over agin.

    Our guy lost the debate. We can make excuses, identify missed opportunities, point to romneys continued shape-shifting policies and persona, but lets agreee on the truth.

    We lost the debate. The race is not over. The dynamic has changed (maybe). We can rebound. Hell, we dont even know what the polls are saing yet. But I caution everone, again, when the polls show a very tight race when it wasnt tight pre-debate, refrain from saying the polls are biased in favor of the challenger. You know, the rw has been complaining about reality-denying poll bais for weeks.

    We are in respond mode all of a sudden. Not where we need to be. We best find our voice, set a strategy and bust our asses for the next 30 days. The media now has its opportunity to play "fair" by calling the race even.

    Whats weird is this. Strangely, this election seemed to put an end to the publics desire to accept the gops lies. Repeatedly candidates and surrogates were called out for blatant lies. But what happened with the debate? Now it appears we are ack to the old way, the way that allowed the gop to lie with impunity, like romney did at the deabte. Why did that dynamic change?

    •  Obama spent our money framing Romney as (3+ / 0-)
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      incompetent and out of touch and in 90 minutes stood back while Romney undid all that work.  JS was spot on.  He said what needed to be said and the reference to SJ video was perfect.  We have all been told to stand back and that Obama's got this, well he clearly didn't have it.  His job was to stop Romney from reframing himself as a moderate Republican which he is not, he is a raving narcissist who will sent our country back over the abyss.  Mr. President, for God's sake WTFU.

  •  I think guys like Jon and Bill (0+ / 0-)

    actually perform a service for the president. I think of it as blowing off some steam. They lighten it up a bit.

  •  I know why Stewart has to do this (0+ / 0-)

    But since I dvr the show and never watch it live, this is the kind of segment I won't bother to watch. It's entertainment after all and if it doesn't make me laugh, why bother?

  •  Personally (2+ / 0-)
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    Had no issue with the debate segment. Have no issue when Jon takes on dems..but i do think he goes out of his way at times to find the "both parties do it equally" when that is not necessarily the case.

    That said,My biggest beef today with him is that I will never understand why Jon Stewart hangs  out so much with Billo...and has him on the show sooooo much. Ugh!!

     I am glad and expect Jon to be civil when he has him on his show (far far too often imo) what I cant stand is the industry insider good ole boy schtick and just having some fun with my buddy back and forth between the two of them. Imo, misogynist and serial liar and fabricator Billo doesnt deserve that amount of friendly banter coming from Jon. They come of as friends, and perhaps they are which is fine as it is his choice and life, but I would really question why Jon would be friends with Billo, and that leads me question Jon's judgement...big time!

    Jon by being all buddy buddy high five with Billo all the time, then allows Billo to come off as a "nice guy"....which is NOT the case. Jon is trashing his brand by hanging out so much with Billo...i have no desire and will not watch that idiotic rumble or whatver the two of them are having...and just cant tolerate anymore of the two and their bromance. Sickening. Jon should be polite and civil, but his attitude toward and amount of airtime given with/to Billo goes way past the level Billo deserves.

    The Plutocratic States of America, the best government the top 1% and corporations can buy. We are the 99%-OWS.

    by emal on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 08:12:58 AM PDT

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