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The largest fundamentalist protestant group in America is now undergoing what may be the religious ‘Waterloo’ of the 21st Century.  This shocking direct assault on Fundamentalists’ basic Christian beliefs and Biblical standards is a direct challenge:  Its latent and enduring post-Civil War Jim Crow racism is riled and it is confronted by a direct and relentless challenge form its strong rival, America’s largest home-grown, nativist sex & heretical, powerful occult cult - Mormonism.

The Impossible Born-again Baptist Choice:  Deny Christ of the Gospels or Vote for a Black.

There Is No Way Out Except Not to Vote at All
A Southern Baptist wishing to vote in the November Presidential Election faces, what is for many, a completely illogical and unacceptable decision.  It’s an ideological and religious deadlock.  Vote for a cult that is aggressively challenging via its dominance and faith or vote for a Black President-who has been propagandized into a socialist and a leader (Read:  FOX News, Christian Radio Networks) who does not represent America.  

UPDATE: AP Story "Evangelical leaders worry Romney's Mormonism could suppress conservative turnout"

CLIPS from the last night's October 9, 2012 AP Story:
"...what had been thought of as a hypothetical question for American evangelicals for years, Southern Baptist leader Al Mohler said recently, is now a reality with this election and is being tested in a contest that will likely be decided by slim margins.
"The fact is that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, and many of our people are very, very uncomfortable about voting for a Mormon, as I am. I supported somebody else in the primary. But, hey, we have no option," said Steve Strang, an influential Pentecostal publisher, in a conference call with pastors last week. Strang was speaking to participants in Pulpit Freedom Sunday, an annual challenge to IRS rules on churches' political activity.
Evangelicals make up about a third of voters who are registered or lean Republican. Some Republicans have estimated that a significant number of Christian conservatives have not been voting in presidential elections and have focused on getting them registered. But that effort has a new wrinkle this year: Romney is the first Mormon nominee for president from a major party.
Pastors are struggling to get that message across while still making clear that important doctrinal differences with Mormons remain. Conservative Christians believe they have a duty to point out beliefs they fear could lead others astray and risk their salvation.

As Strang was getting out the vote last month, the news editor of his best-known magazine, Charisma, wrote a column calling Mormonism "bizarre" and a "Christianesque cult." Another columnist called Mormon doctrines "creepy and (with apologies to Mitt Romney) demonic."

Mohler and other academics took up the issue in a discussion last month at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship training ground for future leaders of the nearly 16 million-member denomination. Called "The Mormon Moment? Religious Conviction and the 2012 Election," the speakers went to great lengths to emphasize that religion should not be a consideration when voting.


The slogan “Take Back America” is ringing in the angry Tea Partisan’s (Tea Party Republicans) ears and there is no logical or practical way out.

Lingering racism still remains the dominate dank ‘shadow’ of the culture of hotly religious, rural America both North and South, it  has grown and flourished in what some are determined to call a “post racial” era.  This is an ongoing ideological attempt/trick to say equality and race-based things are OK now, passé--Blacks have no further legitimate claim to discrimination, disenfranchisement  or reprisals based on color—We’ve moved on... or so they claim.

America has indeed moved on.  But the place to which it has moved is both dangerous and contemptible in its denials and its continued subscription to the old racial stereotypes and bigotry of the antebellum of the Old South.

The intense angst and anger, the grieving over the ascendency of a Black Man to the nation’s highest office and to the position of our Commander-in-chief has rekindled a dark and foreboding tide of irrational thought and dysfunction.  Congress is deeply pitted in behaviors unbecoming our Constitution and the work of Abraham Lincoln to preserve and advance the Federal Union.

Black or Occult:  A Choice That is “No Choice” for America’s Fundamentalist White Male
Over 16 million Southern Baptist Convention regular church goes and others  (aligned with Dr. Richard Land, SBC’s policies godfather)   are pitted against the Mormon cultist (said to be the fastest growing religion in America) whose converts are coming substantially from the ranks of former nominally Christian ranks,  including those of the once-dominate American religious faith, political, and cultural force- the Southern Baptists.  Mormons claim worldwide membership of over 14 million.

So what is a man who clings culturally to his religion, his pick-up, and his guns to do?

The historic development of John Smith’s peculiar cultish blend of Protestant Christianity religion, the Jewish Kabbalah [Joseph Smith and Kabbalah: The Occult Connection, by Lance S. Owens], Masonic rites, and other occult elements have worked into this religion which gives a Mormon man his religious basis for the domination and sexual freedom to have many female partners [both via Secret Mormon Endowment Ceremony] polygamy here on earth, pledged brides, and (for those “elites” who achieve “god-hood”) a planet to inhabit and populate with their offspring—an anti-Christian belief which is alluring and lustfully and carnally self-serving.

There is neither time or place to properly expand upon the tortuous route that John Smith’s cult as taken from its inception around 1830 until today’s historic clash of American voters in a Cultural War over the presidency.

Scholars find that Mormonism holds a theological “truth” that its head-living prophet represents God’s authority to revise and extend the Canon of the Christian New Testament into today.

Thus on many crucial and central tenets of Mormon belief there is an on-going fluidity and the ever present possibility of an abrupt sacred change vested in Mormonism’s present leader.  It’s estimated that these changes the faith and secret and public practice of the Mormon ‘theology’ has already undergone 4,000 separate revisions, rewrites, and changes.  Beginning, most notably with Joseph Smith himself.  

Mormonism Is Nimble
This cult’s nimble ability to morph faith and practice to fit the contemporary needs is totally inconceivable to the Fundamentalist Baptist who holds to the final warnings and cures of Revelation 22 ending God’s will and demands spelled out in  inerrant scripture  and precise  behavioral practice of the God dictated and inspired New Testament are changeless and without error as written:

Revelation 22:  The New International Version

John, the Revelator and the Angel
6 The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”
8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

Epilogue: Invitation and Warning
12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen

For the lay Christian the following article lays down the rule: the non-negotiable principle called Biblical Inerrancy:
Divine authority
For a believer in biblical inerrancy, Holy Scripture is the Word of God, and carries the full authority of God. Every single statement of the Bible calls for instant and unqualified acceptance.[42] Every doctrine of the Bible is the teaching of God and therefore requires full agreement.[43] Every promise of the Bible calls for unshakable trust in its fulfillment.[44] Every command of the Bible is the directive of God himself and therefore demands willing observance.[45]

According to some believers, the Bible contains everything that they need to know in order to obtain salvation and to live a Christian life,[46] and there are no deficiencies in Scripture that need to be filled with by tradition, pronouncements of the Pope, new revelations, or present-day development of doctrine.[47]
Many who believe in the Inspiration of scripture teach that it is infallible but not inerrant. Those who subscribe to infallibility believe that what the scriptures say regarding matters of faith and Christian practice are wholly useful and true.

Source: Biblical Inerrancy (from Wiki on scripture)

The “Nut” That Must Be Cracked

Mitt Romney Must Not Be Elected President: He’s not Born-again
Well-Known Fundamentalist Author and real “Christian” Mover and shaker, Tim LaHaye (author of the Left Behind phenomena), takes a fundamentalist stance: Only A Born-again Christian Can Be President of the United States-- "Only Christians should hold high office.”

So what do the millions of “Values Voters”, members of the fundamentalist Southern Baptist Convention, the Pentecostals, conservative Roman Catholics, and hoards of Mega-Church believers do faced with Mitt Romney, the non-Christian leader of an anti-Evangelical, Sect-Mormonism, a non-Christian, and a 'Republican' who is asking for their vote as a “severely conservative” Republican?

Internecine Battles:  Fundamentalist v. Mainline
This sea change in America is an all-out-no-holds-barred attack upon the Methodists, Presbyterians, and other major Protestant denominations which are labeled "apostate" in the view of this militant army of Pentecostals, Fundamentalist Catholics, and Fundamentalist Independents. The Mainline Churches' "liberal" stances on human sexuality and the co-operation with the World Council of Churches are but two examples of this tradition’s gigantic "sins."

Nor is there likewise any real ultimate historical reverence or toleration of the Jewish and Muslim--Abrahamic faiths, or the Buddhists. Read their literature. The Fundamentalist Magazine, Tim LaHaye, "Only Christians should hold high office." (LaHaye's definition of "Christian" is on his own narrow terms and does not include many Mainline Christian believers with less Fundamentalist views than those of LaHaye).

Former Michigan Republican State Rep. Joanne Voorhees' simply stated conviction (quoted by the Grand Rapids Press, Grand Rapids, Michigan on January 22, 2004) was Christians are the only folk she would endorse or support for public office. She explicitly trusts only her brand of Christians.

The general public, perhaps casually agreeing with her sentiments, fails to understand Voorhees' thinking, practice, and parlance. “Qualified Christians” according to Voorhees are very specific, narrowly defined believers. Society thinks of Christian as a broad, inclusive term. Voorhees defines/limits Christian to narrow, specific dogmas and exclusivity. Her "Christians" must adhere to exacting/specific religious demands.

It's a problem. Voorhees, was, at the time, still an elected official who must do all the people's business: her approved "Christians," other Christians and faiths, as well as everyone else's business. She was, as an elected state legislator, was sworn to uphold a national constitution disallowing religious testing for public office. Yet, in practice, Voorhees espoused religious tests for public office--conflicting with the constitution and putting herself above it.

Voorhees' subsequent restatement: "Christian" includes the Jewish faith--awkwardly and inaccurately attempted to mitigate damage her candid expression of her "selective" Christians Only viewpoint had previously created (See ALSO this posting).

Romney’s Mormonism is a Gigantic Fundamentalist Christian Obstacle

Joseph Smith said he had a revelation where Jesus told him that all the religions at that time were an abomination in His sight.

From a panel discussion at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary entitled “Baptist panel OK’s vote for a Mormon” on September 11, 2012.  From the seminary president R. Albert Mohler Jr:

"Throughout most of Christian history, folks haven't struggled with this question because they didn't have the luxury of struggling with it. ... The separation of the priestly role from government is something that has to happen in the minds of American evangelicals," Mohler said, warning against viewing government as an idol.
More from Russell D. Moore, Dean of the School of Theology at Southern Seminary:
‘Moore agreed, saying U.S. Christians have been guilty of trying to Christianize American history.

"So many evangelicals want to go back and claim Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln and John Adams as orthodox, evangelical Christians," Moore said. "The problem with that [is that] Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were great men who did fantastic things for our country, but once you start claiming them as orthodox evangelical Christians, you're not elevating those men, you're downgrading the Gospel into something that fits whatever they happen to hold. And you wind up with [modern-day] politicians who learn the language of evangelical faith in order to use it, in order to manipulate people into supporting them."

The four-member panel said Americans on multiple occasions have elected candidates who did not hold to evangelical beliefs. Among them were Unitarian William Howard Taft and Catholic John F. Kennedy.’

A Dialogue on “Mormonism & Christians” that appeared on WNET in PBS’s Mormons & Christians program led by reporter Lucky Severson featured commentary from the following guests: Stephen Davis a professor of Philosophy and Religious Studies at Claremont McKenna College, Patrick Mason, Chair of Mormon Studies, Claremont Graduate University and Richard Mouw, President and Professor of Christian philosophy at the Fuller School of Theology.

From the program “Mormons & Christians”:

Professor Stephen Davis: “If the question is Mormonism a legitimate expression of Christianity, honestly I would have to say no. I think that legitimate expressions of Christianity can be found in Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism, virtually all the Protestant denominations, but not Mormonism, because too many of their doctrines and beliefs are non-Christian.”

Patrick Mason: Mormons in a lot of ways are scarred from a long history of misrepresentation in what they see as false reports about the church or unfair treatment of the church, and this goes all the way back to the 1830s.

[PBS Correspondent] Severson: That was when Joseph Smith said he had a revelation where Jesus told him that all the religions at that time were an abomination in his sight. From then on Mormons, who were seen by some as lower-class, superstitious dupes, were targets of ridicule and violence eventually leading to the assassination of Joseph Smith. In the 1860s, the government sent the army to Utah to keep an eye on the Mormons. The army established this fort overlooking Salt Lake City. The cannons that were here were aimed at the Mormons


But the most vocal critics of Mormons have long been evangelicals. Richard Mouw, President and Professor of Christian philosophy at the Fuller School of Theology, says one reason is because Mormons have been such good proselytizers.

Richard Mouw: Mormonism began as this evangelistic program of going out and getting converts, and very often converts from the traditional denominations, and so evangelicals and Mormons have had an unusually hostile relationship over the years because they have been sort of competing proselytizing programs, but also they traded the rhetoric in very hostile terms.

Patrick Mason: There’s a sense of them-against-us that in some ways gets inflated among the grassroots membership of the church. But there is no doubt that for many people (Mormons) they see evangelicals as the enemy, and they need to be converted.

The question is not whether it is right for a Mormon or a Black man to run for the Presidency in 2012.  Civil Rights for Blacks have been established.  There is no constitutional basis for a “religious test for public office” but there remains the choice.  

The question is what will this iron-clad “core” of the Tea Party Controlled, Fundamentalist infused “block” of Republican voters (largely in Southern States) do when it comes their turn to vote.

A racial example from the fundamentalist school of thought:

Jon Hubbard, a Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, has written a new book in which he says slavery was "a blessing" for African-Americans, among other questionable statements.

Hubbard, a first term Republican from Jonesboro, Ark., makes a series of racially charged statements in the self-published book, including saying that integration of schools is hurting white students, that African slaves had better lives under slavery than in Africa, that blacks are not contributing to society....

Hubbard in his Book:
“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.”
(Pages 183-89)

Source: “Jon Hubbard, Arkansas Legislator, Says Slavery May 'Have Been A Blessing' In New Book” in the Huffington Post by John Celock on October 5, 2012.

A final anecdote from a Kos respondent:

"My very evangelical, Republican mother and I had a conversation about this last week. For reasons that defy logical explanation, she is very enthusiastic about Romney. She is one of the Republican dead-enders that loved Dubya all the way to the bitter end in 2008, so that ought to tell you something.

As for Romney's Mormonism, she simply said that she would "just have to let God deal with that." Mmmmm-kay. You'll vote to impose your faith on everyone in every other way possible, but it's OK… Gotcha.

I suspect to “let God deal with the fact that Romney is a Mormon”…that a lot of Southern evangelicals have this same mindset when it comes to Romney's Mormonism. What makes the hypocrisy even more amazing is that they are completely oblivious to it."

And then there’s this insight on Race & the GOP:
The issue here is whether the Republican Party has racism "baked into the cake", not whether racism is limited to the South. It is not a question of individualized, subjective racist intent, which is certainly ubiquitous as far as I can tell, but rather it is structural racism. Republicans adopted the "Southern Strategy" and thereby put racism into their very structure.
Will they lay aside their racial prejudices and ancient discriminations and abuses or will they deny and betray the central tenet and core of their Fundamentalist Christian faith and endorse and support a Bishop from a rival occultist cult - Mormonism.

The impossible choice, deny Christ of the Gospels or vote for a Black Man.
Now is a historic moment of impossible decision: Whom will the Fundamentalist Choose?

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Cross-posted from the McGuffey Gazette, and to Street Prophets.

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  •  While I understand some of this is happening (1+ / 0-)
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    wuod kwatch

    I don't believe it will amount to anything. If it were we wouldn't see Romney neck-and-neck in the polls. Nearly 10 million voters who are reliable Republican votes deciding they can't vote for either candidate would be a huge swing and it isn't like they don't know he's Mormon. In the end I think their fear of a second Obama term is going to out-weigh their fundie beliefs. For them it becomes a "lesser of two evils" problem.

    If we got Mitt to be slightly less dishonest and gave him some personality he could pass as a used car salesman.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 07:50:53 AM PDT

    •  For many on the religous right (1+ / 0-)
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      who have been hammered by the conservative right's campaigns and Rove's organizing of their ranks for W in 2000 and 2004 with "traditional values" and any number of 'Christian dominionist" concepts for decades , the "lesser of an evil" is not a choice they were allowed. For this they require an indulgence.

      One man can not and will not, change decades of their prejudices, holding their noses is not an option for those of "true faith" (notice the code used by Romney's materials on "Truth") . This is not the same type of choice as in the past with JFK and others, it's a significant stretch for many.

    •  I can see Rove's hand everywhere (3+ / 0-)

      as SBC pastors are being told to endorse specific candidates from the pulpit.  They see this as a cultural war and are eager to find their Fort Sumter.  A year ago, ministers were encouraged to endorse candidates to defy the IRS.
      When the IRS did not drag them from the pulpits (surprise) they became emboldened as they interpreted this to mean the IRS feared them

  •  The places where this will have the biggest impact (4+ / 0-)

    are going to vote for Romney anyway. There are more racists than there are Christian fundamentalists. And because Mormonism has not been a topic of discussion at all in this campaign, it is doubtful that low info voters even know Romney is a Mormon. But they know he isn't black.

  •  The Southern Baptists I know (2+ / 0-)
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    Woody, skrekk

    and I know a lot are all voting for Mitt - no question about it.

  •  I go to an SBC church, and I'm backing Obama. (3+ / 0-)
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    Hector Solon, Sylv, Cassandra Waites
  •  my view is the racist (2+ / 0-)
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    gerard w, skrekk

    tendencies will win out and there will not be a substantial impact in most places.

  •  Well... after FRONTLINE... (0+ / 0-)

    ... last night on PBS, anyone watching that knows he was a Mormon Bishop and a leader in his church.

    To think that these fundamentalists are abandoning the theology they have been pounded with, just for a Romney vote will definitely have it's backlash.

    Perhaps the GOP has gone to the well once too many times... at the well with the lepers, poor and prostitutes is one thing, but hanging with a leader in a faith of "4,000 separate revisions, rewrites, and changes" found under a rock, quite another.

    Hope this is the pew discussion in all those polically active mega-churches, a few folks staying home this round may be very significant.

    For the occasional reluctant tweet

    by Hector Solon on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 08:26:31 AM PDT

  •  Mormonism will spread if Romney wins. (1+ / 0-)
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    That might scare away a few evangelical voters if you can spread that message.  Personally I don't care if Mormonism spreads, but evangelicals do.

    Can't we just drown Grover Norquist in a bathtub?

    by Rezkalla on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 08:27:01 AM PDT

  •  Thank You - N/T (0+ / 0-)

    "Upward, not Northward" - Flatland, by EA Abbott

    by linkage on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 08:31:45 AM PDT

  •  Thanks goodness Dems have no Rovian (0+ / 0-)

    Mad genius to fund and spread and hammer away the theme that " Mormonism will spread" In a Rmoney Presidency :) ha ha

    Never the less - its curious that there was no mega church pastor to forced both candidates to a forum unlike in 2008 when mccain and the Pres went to the Cali mega church.

  •  What about being Mormon and... (0+ / 0-)

    ... Commander-in-Chief? Was reading discussion of this Romney-ism / exchange yesterday "Mitt Romney: “I was too important to go to Vietnam"


    Governor Romney, it is true, is it not that you had four deferments from the Vietnam War… You have said before that you support war and the efforts of US military involvement overseas at all costs, yet you made sure you would never go to war yourself. What makes you think that veterans and those currently serving in the military think that you have their best interests at heart when you yourself weren’t even interested in sacrificing your time, energy, or life for your nation at a time when it seemed most crucial?
    “That’s a good question, young man, and I would be happy to answer it. The Vietnam War came at a time in my life when I had other plans. I knew in my heart of hearts that I would one day serve my nation. That I would one day hold an office that would help not only our nation, but also the world. So I did what I could to make sure that I would be around to serve my nation, as well as serving God by teaching very important religious principles to a broader audience overseas. My father did not want me serving, and he convinced me that yes, I was too important to go to Vietnam. I had a greater purpose in life. I wasn’t neglecting my nation, but rather preparing myself for a future of service.”
    Many of us have/had a bunch of friends that weren't too important to be serving before 9/11 and Bush's war of choice, some of them didn't return.

    This has not been the question Romney has been asked enough - What about your faith, your past decisions, and American foreign policy?

    Loved Mormon missionary visits during the invasion of Iraq - "Have a seat boys, tell me about whether or not your church is for or against this thing.... Are you going there next?"

    For the occasional reluctant tweet

    by Hector Solon on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 08:42:41 AM PDT

  •  The White Horse Prophesy! (1+ / 0-)
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    If Romney is elected, we can expect him to say early in his term that "the Constitution is hanging by a thread" or words to that effect. See: The Mormon White Horse Prophesy. Fundamentalist/Theocratic Christians should be exposed to this prospect.

  •  Most of my wife's family is (1+ / 0-)
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    Southern Baptist. And they DO see a conflict between the "colored fella" and the "cult leader."

    But they're rationalizing it like this: Obama's a Muslim, which is worse than anything. So they're gonna vote for the white guy.

    I find it astonishingly narrow-minded that they find it so easy to believe extremist lies about the black guy while ignoring the verifiable truths about the white guy.

    I am forced to conclude that Romney supporters fall into one of three categories: Mormons, racists and millionaires. It makes NO SENSE to back Romney if you're not one of these.

    I'm deeply saddened and incredibly frustrated at their blindness. But most of them are OLD, and all of them are over 50. So there's hope for the future...but only if we re-elect Obama now. If Romney wins, the Haves will have it ALL--and I fear what it would take to get any small part of it back.

    There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.

    by Phil T Duck on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 09:04:28 AM PDT

  •  My family is Baptist (3+ / 0-)

    I grew up in the very peculiar subset of Baptists known as the Independent Fundamental Baptists. Everything you need to know them is essentially contained in the name. One point about them is that they broke off from the SBC and continue to refuse to associate with the SBC due to it being too "liberal".

    While some of my family and former friends are refusing to vote for Romney due to his Mormonism I would say that the clear majority are rabid partisans of his.

    I think it goes back to my continued gripe about the merger between conservative religion and right wing politics. These groups have worked together for so long that many people cannot tell where on ends and the other starts.

    I recently received a mailer from some of them telling me how I should vote on the issues of interest to Christians. The issues were: gun control, global warming, amnesty, taxes and a few others. Notably, most of the issues were ever addressed in the Bible. The ones that were, such as welcoming immigrants, have been turned on their heads by the religious right.

    Essentially, being a Republican is very much a part of conservative Christianity now.

    (The above comments are my musings about the small and shrinking group of Baptist that I grew up around.)

    "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." Mark Twain

    by southern and liberal on Wed Oct 10, 2012 at 09:52:47 AM PDT

  •  As an aetheist/agnostic, I'd prefer no religious (0+ / 0-)

    test for any office, just as the Constitution says. In fact, I'd be happier if the candidate I was voting for for President was an aetheist.

    Personally I think President Obama is a non-believer, although he also seems to be a very spiritual man (this is not a contradiction in terms, by the way). He adopted a church as a necessity for his political career. If Americans did not make this irrational demand on politicians, I feel he would cheerfully abandon all pretense of being a Christian.

    All of that said, I believe in a strict separation of church & state, and I wish the federal government would strictly enforce the prohibition against preaching from the pulpit.

    I wish Congress would pass a law outlawing any religions from being designated as charities and start taxing them on all income received by the church. If they did this, churches would have to use that income to support themselves instead of meddling in public affairs.

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