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U.S. Vice President Joe Biden (L) debates Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan (R) during the U.S. vice presidential debate in Danville, Kentucky October 11, 2012.      REUTERS/John Gress (UNITED STATES  - Tags: POLITICS ELECTIONS USA PRESIDENTI

7:11 PM PT: Difference between tonight and Wednesday. Mitt Romney won Wednesday because President Obama treated debate like a joint press conference and didn't fight back. Joe Biden is winning the debate tonight by pounding Paul Ryan.

7:16 PM PT: Ryan says he can't separate his faith and his public life. He says his faith is part of why he's pro-life. But he also says it's because of reason and science. And Ayn Rand. Just kidding about that.

7:16 PM PT: Paul Ryan says he's pro-life because his daughter was super cute after she was born. And I have no doubt that she was. But here's the key: after she was born.

7:17 PM PT: Now Paul Ryan getting indignant about insurance plans being made to require birth control (though he avoids saying exactly what he's talking about).

7:19 PM PT (Kaili Joy Gray): New thread here.

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