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Burning the Midnight Oil for Living Energy Independence

cross-posted from Voices on the Square

One of the biggest difficulties in the fight for sustainable energy independence is that Big Oil and Big Coal, the entrenched vested interests against our nation's long term economic survival, have ample resources and ample practice in playing the long game. They have, over decades, built up a network of propaganda mills (Heritage, Cato, Reason), pro-corporate legislative cookie cutter factories (ALEC) and have invested heavily in buying large number of legislatures at both the state and federal level.

So we should not expect victories to come without an effort to strike back coming from Big Oil or Big Coal. It appear that this effort may be underway in California, following Big Oil's big loss when the California State Legislature approved the California State funding to match the Federal Funding of the HSR Initial Construction Segment.

"Julia Brownley, Running Us Off the Tracks"

Here's an NRCC ad running against Julia Brownley:

Just what you'd expect: hitting Julia Brownley voted for "the biggest tax increase in California History", and "a $68b train that California can't afford". Of course, ignoring the facts that the total California bond funding that can be authorized is $9.95b, and the "$68b train" that "Californians can't afford" is a cheaper way of providing the same increase in transport capacity as additional road or air operating subsidies combined with new road lane miles or new airport infrastructure.

This is from the NRCC, but it is an exact echo of oil-funded Cato/Reason/Heritage attacks.

This is from a "Taxpayers Network" mailer. Elsewhere in the flyer it tells people to contact (State) Sen. Tony Strickland and thank him for opposing HSR, tells people that Julia Brownley supports the "up to $100b" HSR, and that (State) Sen. Fran Pavley has both opposed and supported the HSR project, and to contact her to help her make up her mind.

Who is the "Taxpayer Network"? The group's website doesn't say ~ it is one of these supposed public benefit corporations:

The Taxpayer Network is a non-profit public benefit corporation organized under Section 501c (4) of the Internal Revenue Code.  Its goal is to educate the public about the policies and policy-makers involved in issues of taxation, spending and regulation of the economy.  Taxpayer Network uses television, radio, direct mail and the internet to communicate its messages.
However in 2011, the Sacramento Bee was able to dig out a little bit about the group, which ran a "sleezy little ad" against Senator Boxer in the 2010 California Senate race:
Dan Morain: Shady ad brought to you by the Supreme Court
...
Who funds Taxpayer Network, and what motivates its donors? ...

You will never know -€“ except that one of its directors is a high-powered Washington lobbyist who represents moneyed interests that have a financial stake in whether Democrats or Republicans control the U.S. Senate.
...

Taxpayer Network lists one director as David McIntosh, a former congressman from Indiana. McIntosh is a lobbyist at Mayer Brown in Washington, where he represents energy companies worried about climate legislation, health care clients, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce on financial services regulation, and more.

So near as we can tell, the "Taxpayer Network" ran a sleezy ad against Senator Boxer to punish her for her support of Carbon Pricing and other policies to avoid the threat that climate change may wreck our national economy.

And since they are a shadowy hidden money group, they can be even more misleading than the NRCC. They completely ignore the intervention by Governor Brown in the project. When the strategy pursued by (Republican) Judge Kopp of running exclusive track  through urban areas of the Bay Area and LA Basin slated for the slower 125mph Regional HSR corridors pushed the project cost up to $100b, Governor Brown intervened and brought the CHSRA and local rail authorities together to commit to the sharing of the slower speed corridors between the California HSR system and regional rail systems.

It is, of course, no great surprise that Governor Brown was able to intervene. He was first promoting HSR in the state of California when France was building their first Express HSR corridor, and France has been very successful in focusing the Express HSR corridors in the terrain between large metropolitan areas, and using Express Intercity corridors shared with other trains to gain access to and egress from the large metropolitan areas.

And who is pushing this even more misleading description of the project? Thanks to the US Supreme Court, we don't know, but we do know that there are no degrees of separation between the "Taxpayer Network" and Big Oil ~ one of the "Taxpayer Network" directors is someone they pay to push their interests in Washington DC.


Who Is The California Senior Advocates League?

Then there is this from Professor Keith Smith, from the Political Science at the University of the Pacific blog:

Campaign Advertising Lies

... the California Senior Advocates League PAC (ID#1327236), which had released an ad in San Diego attacking Fran Pavley (D). Pavley is seeking reelection in State Senate District 27. ... The ad ... contains a bald-faced lie. It says that Sen. Pavley earns $261,000 in tax-free salary each year. This statement is wrong on so many levels its incredible. First, the annual salary for a State Senator is $90,526 not $261,000. Second, like everyone else’s salary, hers is taxed by both the state and the federal governments.

Then I checked yesterday'€™s pile of mail. In it was a campaign flyer from the California Senior Advocates League PAC attacking the Democratic candidate in my local State Senate district, Cathleen Galgiani. It has the same basic lie in bold print in multiple places. The lie is a little different because Galgiani is a member of the Assembly, so it says she makes $180,000 a year in tax-free salary. It’s a lie none the less.
...

So who is the California Senior Advocates League PAC? The name implies that it is a group looking out for the interests of seniors in California, right? Mr. Herdt tried to find out who they really were by calling their offices, but was rebuffed. Electiontrack.com shows all of the donors and amounts given to the League. The lion’s share of its money this cycle ($563,500 of $616,630) comes from the California Now Independent Expenditure Committee. (The California State Republican Party was a big contributor in the past, which should give you a clue about the organization and why it is targeting Democrats.) What is the California Now Independent Expenditure Committee? Mr. Herdt did the leg work here: It’s basically Chevron and Philip Morris by way of the California Chamber of Commerce.

So here you have money from Chevron and Phillip Morris, by way the California "Chamber of Commerce" ... attacking State Senator Pavley and State Assemblywoman Galgiani.

Now, they are not, in this ad, being attacked for HSR, but a quick look at Assemblymember Galgiani's legislative site reveals that she has been a staunch advocate for the California HSR system, while Fran Pavley is the author of the California Carbon Pricing Scheme, AB32.


So the Empire is Striking Back ... what do we do about it?

Ok, so seems to be on the attack against Big Oil is on the attack against Julia Brownley, running for CA-26, and Cathleen Galgiani, running for CA State Senate District 5, two staunch supporters of HSR. They are also on the attack against Fran Pavley, running for re-election in CA State Senate District, who despite voting against the California HSR system, carries the mortal political sin of authoring carbon pricing legislation that was signed into law.

So ... what should be done about it? I mean, I'm an economist, so on political strategy, I am in the same boat as many of the readers of the Sunday Train, as long time observer, with some strong views of my own ... but by no means any kind of expert in this kind of campaign politics.


Midnight Oil ~ The Power and the Passion

And now, Member for Kingsford Smith, Labor Minister for School Education, Early Childhood and Youth, former Labor Minister for Environment Protection, Heritage and the Arts, Peter Garrett:

Originally posted to Sunday Train on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 05:00 PM PDT.

Also republished by Climate Hawks and Community Spotlight.

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    •  demand mass transit. (25+ / 0-)

      It allows the poorest to be mobile. Cars you pay upfront and the overhead is vicious.  Plus, you must be licensed to transport yourself.  That immobilizes a good chunk of population. Whenever you drive, you risk falling afoul of the law.

      The more you drive, the more you pay.  With mass transit, transportation is a fixed cost  - Metro pass - the system is operated and maintained through tax dollars. It's not all on your personal shoulders.

      If you depend on a car, you MUST devote limited resources to it.

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      by nolagrl on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:37:15 PM PDT

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      •  Bike are like that too ... (13+ / 0-)

        ... why, I just put in a $50 order for tires, tire levers and tubes. I may have to place a similar order next year.

        That's, like, $4 a month. That's almost enough to cover the cost of my annual subscription to my streaming anime site.

        I'm not exactly sure what the costs of running a car are, since I cannot afford to buy one, but I imagine they are even higher than that!

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        by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:48:48 PM PDT

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        •  But Crunchyroll is $13, not $4. Besides, such (0+ / 0-)

          a site would never be $4 anyway because 4 is death (i.e. bad luck).  Still worth every penny.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 11:07:46 AM PDT

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          •  No, I got the Cybermonday deal ... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... $50 for a year premium service. $50/12 = $4.17.

            Its $7/month for an anime membership, paid monthly, $5/month on a regular annual $60 anime membership.

            The monthly premium, for people who watch both anime and dramas is $12/month, but I'd need three classes a term to be up among those high rollers.

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            by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:03:20 PM PDT

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            •  Does the anime only membership also allow access (1+ / 0-)
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              from Android or PS3 devices or is it computer only?

              You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

              by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 12:39:26 AM PDT

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              •  Well, you can access it for free from Android ... (0+ / 0-)

                ... Apple, Windows Phone, Roku, etc., its just with ads. The anime membership turns off the ads for the anime, the drama membership turns off the ads for the drama, and the premium membership turns off the ads for both.

                They just rolled out the PS3 channel, and haven't rolled out ad-supported viewing yet, so it would be restricted to anime only for anime members and drama only for drama members.

                BTW, I guess the transport connection here would be the WiFi support on Amtrak NEC, some Amtrak-California services, and the Megabus. One reason that fewer young people want to drive everywhere than their elders did at their age is the desire to use their phones for connected social media, and sitting down on a bus or train on a commute watching anime instead of watching the stop and start traffic in front of you is a more pleasant way to get to work, for an anime fan.

                "Back in the day", when I was a some days a week rail commuter in Australia, that was a portable DVD player, except without the social media ... but a WiFi or 4G connected smartphone or a tablet is even more convenient, since you don't have to have the content loaded when you leave in the morning. And you can twitter a bit, watch an anime, check out Facebook and before you know it, you're at your destination.

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                by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 10:55:07 AM PDT

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                •  I would love to be able to do that unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

                  public transportation here in Central Illinois is practically nonexistent.  There are plenty of railroad tracks though.

                  You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

                  by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 05:21:43 PM PDT

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                  •  What part of Central Illinois? (0+ / 0-)

                    We sure don't have WiFi on the bus (singular) route from here through Kent, but then its one of the more rural counties in this part of the state. If it wasn't for the county and Kent State merging their bus services, I doubt we would have that route.

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                    by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:07:35 PM PDT

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      •  It allows seniors to be mobile (5+ / 0-)
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        and independent, especially for longer distances. Even wealthy seniors get to a point where they shouldn't drive.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:49:53 AM PDT

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        •  Rich people may get to a point (1+ / 0-)
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          where they shouldn't drive, but wealthy folks have chauffeurs.  Chauffeurs nowadays are called "drivers," to make the rest of us feel better.

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          by SueDe on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 10:49:26 AM PDT

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          •  You have to be mega-wealthy to have a driver (1+ / 0-)
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            not merely wealthy.

            Either that, or have your adult children drive you places.

            Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

            by elfling on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 10:56:50 AM PDT

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            •  Umm...no, you don't have to be mega-wealthy. (0+ / 0-)

              Anyone with a business whose income is large enough to hire an employee (or an independent contractor) can hire a driver.  Many of the real estate agents I know in NYC, LA and San Francisco have drivers - especially those in NYC.  The agents make good money, but they're nowhere near mega-wealthy.

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              by SueDe on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 03:21:19 PM PDT

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              •  Indeed. In college (3+ / 0-)
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                one way I earned money was to drive for senior citizens who had moderate wealth.

                Drivers are a semi-skilled labor category that is easy to hire and not especially expensive.  It's similar to other service professions like gardener, nanny or maid - you can either hire an individual for lower cost, but be dependent on them being healthy, available, reliable, or you can hire a service to provide the individuals.  Hiring a service costs more but guarantees that the work is done (well, mostly.  I can name one gardening company where I live that we fired for unreliability).   Hiring an individual is usually on a cash basis, which might be a tad risky if you want to run for office someday.

                What makes a driver affordable is you don't hire them 100% of the time.  You choose when to run your errands etc and hire them for the hours that you need them.  Compared to the hassle and risk of public transport in most places for a senior citizen, it's money well spent.   It is considerably cheaper than a taxi or even airport shuttle, especially if you provide the vehicle. (but if you don't have to own/maintain the vehicle, that's saving you a lot of money that you can use to pay more for a driver+car)

                •  That seems to be compared to the hassle and ... (0+ / 0-)

                  ... risk of public transport in an area with inadequate public transport. Its a way to take advantage of the massive subsidies to driving that would otherwise leave senior citizens unable to drive on the outside looking in.

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                  by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:58:49 PM PDT

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              •  But that is getting off on a tangent ... (0+ / 0-)

                ... the original discussion was regarding senior citizens getting to the point that they shouldn't drive.

                A small minority can get around with chauffeurs, the rest are better off with other means. I often commuted to work from Newcastle, NSW to Ourimbah in the Central Coast of NSW after the peak commute hour, which allowed for the 40% discount off-peak return fare, and saw the Australian retirees using the (even more steeply discounted) off-peak pensioner discounts for an excursion.

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                by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:53:11 PM PDT

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  •  More immediate considerations . . . . (28+ / 0-)

    Big Oil ought to be, and probably is just a little, ashamed about the clusterfuck that has been the California gasoline market for the last month.  Due to negligence/manipulation/incompetence/underinvestment (delete as appropriate) refinery and supply chain failures have driven California gas prices up to ridiculous levels, and I suspect most California voters are much more amenable to high speed rail now than they were a month ago.  This wave of advertising is presumably an attempt to counteract that, and the lack of originality betrays a sense of rushing it.

    •  Which is why ... (25+ / 0-)

      ... "this candidate is being attacked by the people who brought you the most expensive gasoline in America!" could well be an effective counter-attack ...
      ... though the message has to be delivered.

      I'm knocking on doors for Sherrod Brown every weekend from now through the election, but I'm not in a position to knock doors in California.

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      by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 05:13:09 PM PDT

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    •  Where did they stand on Prop 13? (7+ / 0-)

      These people love to talk about how bankrupt California is. It makes me wonder if they would have voted for Prop 13 back in the 1970s. They don't really care whether California can pay its bills--indeed, they wouldn't have as much ammunition if the voters had seen through Howard Jarvis's referendum and subsequent measures that make it harder to govern the state.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 05:59:27 PM PDT

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      •  Chevron, Phillip Morris ... (8+ / 0-)

        ... and the California Chamber of Commerce? I seem to recall they were for it.

        The "Taxpayer Network" propaganda shell organization? It was probably some different form of astroturf organizations that they were using as their sock-puppets back then.

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        by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:42:40 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, as I'm sure you know, Prop 13 was really (5+ / 0-)
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        a giveaway to businesses more than homeowners.  Sure, some homeowners stay in their homes for 30+ years, but as I understand it, people who owned commercial properties and were fairly savvy about it transferred their businesses, particularly large office buildings and other commercial property, into a different company - for instance, there may be a corporation out there called the "US Bank Building Holding Company."  And instead of selling the US Bank building (e.g. the Library Tower), they sell the holding company - it's my understanding (I'm no tax attorney) that by selling the holding company instead of the actual building, the building has not changed hands in the registry of deeds and thus the taxable property value would have remained at the '78 level (or at least at the level of the year that the holding company was incorporated.

        As I said, I'm not a tax attorney, so this is just based on my general understanding of how things work, although Google is telling me that it is indeed owned by a "Library Square Associates LLC."

        Having said that, energy companies, with the exception of some of the still-active oil wells in West LA and the Inglewood/Culver City areas, and I guess the El Segundo refinery too, tend not to be in the business of owning a large amount of valuable land, so while they benefitted from Prop. 13, I doubt they were the intended corporate recipients, or even the among the larger ones.

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        by auron renouille on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 08:11:23 PM PDT

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        •  There's also the coalition issue ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... the alliance of Big Oil with Grover Norquist and support of the anti-tax Heritage, Reason and Cato propaganda mills are part of a long game. Making tax a dirty word that can be easily used to tar an opponent in a 30 second ad helps against all sorts of taxes ... including taxes promoting energy efficiency or carbon neutrality.

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          by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 07:22:33 AM PDT

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  •  one of the best ways to oppose Big Oil (25+ / 0-)

    is exactly what you're doing here, Bruce - call them out. Thank you for this!!!

    Since I live in both Brownley's and Pavley's district, I'm knocking on doors.

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    by RLMiller on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 05:08:20 PM PDT

  •  Nice job as usual Bruce........ (11+ / 0-)

       ...Keep up the good work!

    Compost for a greener planet.............got piles?

    by Hoghead99 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 05:30:13 PM PDT

  •  I think, as gas becomes more espensive (10+ / 0-)

    and difficult to come by, more people will come around to the idea that public transportation is the inevitable future and jump on that train!

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    by blueoregon on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 05:30:57 PM PDT

    •  My concern is that more expensive... (5+ / 0-)
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      ... Carbon effectively overwhelms the very real advances being made in true renewable energy. Breakthroughs happen, concrete and imminently sound plans and projects can be proposed, but cannot be executed and then scaled up at the (theoretical) expense of the "running of the rest of the economy."

      It may be a more imagined concern than a real one, but imagined concerns (the specter of a Federal Budget 25 years from now that is exclusively dedicated to entitlements to "those other people" as an example) seem to gain "narrative traction" over very real and tangible ones all too often. And the Carbon Merchants are very good at the gridlock inducing narrative.

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      by Egalitare on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:45:16 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think that Big Coal and Big Oil ... (5+ / 0-)

        ... can indeed less expensive energy options indefinitely, preventing people from discovering that they are less expensive and then pursuing that energy cost saving, in a period of rising energy costs.

        They can delay the transition, but they can't really eliminate it, in part because individually they all want to be invested in alternative energy to hedge their bets against the inevitable decline of the supply of fossil fuels.

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        by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:50:11 PM PDT

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    •  Not a chance. (2+ / 0-)
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      Rising fossil fuel prices will not produce a mass movement towards public transportation.

      Individual transport, with at-will scheduling and no fixed route, is not something that any population has ever given up once they've had it.

      What will happen is that somebody will figure out how to power individual transport pods (call them "cars") with something other than fossil fuels. And everyone will switch. And the inventors will get rich. And so it shall be, until we figure out teleportation.

      All you need to know to understand how this will play out is that detailed studies by transportation planners (my mom was one) show that the primary reason that people say that they support public transportation is that they hope that other people will ride it... Thereby clearing the roads for them to use.

      --Shannon

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      by Leftie Gunner on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:47:10 PM PDT

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      •  Quite ... (9+ / 0-)

        ... since we started out, several species back, with individual transport, no fixed scheduling and no fixed route, and we've never given it up.

        However, the transport share of common carrier transport has gone both up and down, so the fact that the human race has never been without individual transport with no fixed schedule or route since before we were the human race does not in and of itself determine what the share of common carrier transport will be.

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        by BruceMcF on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:52:54 PM PDT

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      •  Been done (6+ / 0-)
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        Heathrow airport is one of the first locations for personal transport pods. The same system is being installed at one of the new university cities in the Gulf (not sure which of the Arab states it is) but on a much larger scale.

        The advantage is that it can provide point to point transport on demand and within 30 seconds. Obviously in larger suburban settings this would not be quite as quick but still within reason - a pod called be called up or booked at a set time each day for example. A larger system can "learn" the peak transport patterns and obviously pod sharing between neightbors is a possibility.

        These would deliver people to central hubs like rail stations and can form long "trains" themselves.

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        by Lib Dem FoP on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 08:17:43 PM PDT

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        •  Those pods are ... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... another mode of common carrier transport, they are not individual transport.

          They sacrifice the three substantial energy efficiency gains of light rail and heavy rail over automobiles. Since they do not run in train, they sacrifice the wind resistance gain. And since they run tire on asphalt, they sacrifice the running efficiency gain. And since they run on asphalt, they sacrifice the corridor infrastructure energy efficiency of steel rails over asphalt roads.

          For relatively low speed common carrier transport, the capital cost savings due to the tight curve radius may dominate those energy efficiency considerations, but that is not a universal for all important passenger transport tasks.

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          by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 07:13:56 AM PDT

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      •  The path to perpetual individual transport (4+ / 0-)
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        ... runs directly through increasing class stratification, with an ever-smaller elite class doing whatever it takes to hang onto the comfort and convenience which they expect and demand for themselves. Since these same elites tend to be in control of government, the associated policy will be dressed in the costume of "fiscal responsibility" or some such but will actually be about preserving/enhancing elite advantages.

        I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your point, LG. Just saying that hanging onto individual transport for the few will become increasingly expensive for the many.

        •  One flaw in the ... (7+ / 0-)

          ... "individual transport will not go away" assertion is that its a straw man argument.

          Individual transport does not have to go away.

          Our current system has to be replaced by a sustainable system, but there are already existing sustainable "individual transport" that can play an important role in a sustainable system.

          Indeed, common carrier transport is complementary with individual transport ~ after all, the reason they were trying to developed a horseless carriage was to get the horseshit off the city streets. The railroadification of the United States over the 1800's had seen an increase in individual transport by horse, and they were looking for a better individual transport technology ~ in part to get to the station.

          Now, no other large industrial economy subsidizes motor vehicles transport as heavily as the United States, so no other large industrial economy has as large a reliance on private motor vehicle transport for transport tasks where they are relatively ineffective ...

          ... but while converting to sustainable transport will require adoption of a civilized level of support for common carrier passenger transport, at least to the level of subsidy of cars if not more, it certainly does not imply an abandonment of private transport for those tasks where it is more effective.

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          by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 07:09:08 AM PDT

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      •  Not true. People happily gave up covered wagons (5+ / 0-)

        for the locomotive, because the locomotive was safer and faster. People will choose to fly rather than drive when flying is faster.  People will give up taking individual transport when mass transport provides a superior experience or is cheaper.

        I write this from downtown Pittsburgh, where 75% of the workers take mass transit to work even though most of them own cars.

        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

        by bigtimecynic on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 07:26:41 AM PDT

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        •  But they didn't give up wagons ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... they just gave up taking them cross country. They kept them for going from the farmstead to the station.

          This is why the notion of "giving up" an entire mode of transport is such a red herring: what is critical is the mode share. If 20% no longer require private transport other than foot or bike transport, 20% can give up freeway capable vehicles for neighborhood electric vehicles and ebikes, 20% can drive hybrids half on fuel, half on power, 20% can shift half of their trips onto common carrier transport and 20% rely exclusively on fueled private vehicle ...

          ... that would be 40% fueled private vehicle trips, 60% electric vehicle or common carrier, even though 60% of the population retains a fueled private vehicle and 80% retain a powered vehicle.

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          by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:47:58 PM PDT

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    •  Is the price of gas alone here? (0+ / 0-)
      carbon pricing legislation
      Raising the price of everything we buy, eat, sell or need does what again?

      If it wasn't for the 20 yr old car I own, I would not have gotten the 1 job I was offered after being unemployed for 2 yr (and very near homelessness)...the one job that pays me 40% less than what I was making.  

      Here in Buffalo, our "public transportation" is a joke. The costs keep going up with less service. It's become a black hole of corruption, theft and deceit.

      What does HSR do for any of us? What does it cost to build? What is the annual overhead? What is the upkeep costs? What's the carbon footprint created? Where does the energy needed come from? How is it created, transported and utilized? What are the projected user fees? How many people will actually be transported? What is the environmental impacts?

      the inevitable future
      The inevitable future I see is all of us becoming further impoverished while these grandiose plans do nothing but enrich and service a select few.

      We already have the ability to create clean energy. Why are we not pushing for this:

      I'll tell you...OUR MILITARY.  It has nothing to do with Big Oil or Big Coal.  We couldn't have our wonderful nuclear weapons if we converted over.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 03:08:25 AM PDT

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      •  Raising the price of everything ... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... we eat, buy, or sell by a few fractions of a penny, in the short term, and of a few things that we eat, buy, or sell by more than that ...

        ... but then again, since the point of the policy is to place the price discrimination against heavily carbon intensive production, there is no need to keep the revenue. It can, and should, be redistributed as a social dividend on an ongoing basis.

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        by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 06:58:40 AM PDT

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        •  I do understand this, thanks but how about (0+ / 0-)

          raising our standard of living and not lowering it? That could be done with technology we've had since 1930, I mentioned it above (with video).

          While the claimed goal is a noble one, lowering carbon emissions, how has it helped the Europeans? They are on the brink of revolution, the money is all gone.  Where did their taxes go? The "social dividend" you mention will never be realized here.  Too many corrupt players.

          That said, we could cut our carbon emissions by 70% within 10 yrs and still maintain our standard of living.

          Thorium energy generation is a viable and realistic solution.  It could power 95% of everything that oil & coal does today.  With the added benefits of no radioactive waste or disasters like Japan and Russia have had. Plus we have over 20,000+ yrs of it all over the planet.

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 07:47:18 AM PDT

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          •  It would be completely detached from ... (2+ / 0-)
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            ... reality to look at the Europeans putting austerity budgets in place, in some places like Greece massively draconian budgets in place ...

            ... and lay the resulting unrest at the feet of their modest cap and trade program.

            And, indeed, to the extent that thorium production is carbon neutral from mine to generator, it would benefit from a carbon pricing scheme. It would certainly gain a substantial benefit over conventional light water reactors, since there is an appreciable carbon emissions impact in the mining and enrichment of uranium.

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            by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:29:54 AM PDT

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            •  We're getting side tracked a bit... (0+ / 0-)

              Europe's cap and trade is lost.  The politically connected get credits for free and to make up for the loss revenues they implemented taxes on airlines. The questions that are never answered, where did the money go?

              http://www.usnews.com/...

              I think your support for HSR is great but do we have to become peasants in the process? What real benefits will it give any of us that can't already be accomplished without massive investments & subsidies?

              http://e360.yale.edu/...
               

              When all is said and done, a cap, or a carbon price, may get us the last few yards across the finish line. But a more oblique path, focused on developing better technologies and strengthening conventional air pollution regulations, may work just as well, or even better.

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:31:58 AM PDT

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              •  Runaway global warming (1+ / 0-)
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                will make peasants of us all, those that survive, that is.

                Your concern over many comments is noted.

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                by ozsea1 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 10:20:52 AM PDT

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                •  ??? (0+ / 0-)
                  Your concern over many comments is noted.
                  Are you implying something?

                  So, not seeing the point here.

                  Global warming can be mitigated by utilizing things we already have.

                  That is still a valid point that gets lost in these "discussions" while NOT destroying our standard of living, what little of it is left.

                  And I'm glad you "piped" in here, but I was hoping the diarist would explain.

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 10:35:13 AM PDT

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                  •  I believe the point may be ... (0+ / 0-)

                    ... that addressing an oil company funded attack on two legislators who voted for HSR as they run for Congress and the California State Senate respectively by acting as if it is a diary about cap and trade seems to be a massive red herring distraction.

                    Your links are certainly red herrings. So Nordhous and Shellenberger point out that cap and trade is not a silver bullet solution. What in the hell is that supposed to dispute? Where in this diary and when over the past three years of the Sunday Train has it been claimed to be a panacea?

                    The Sunday Train has pointed out repeatedly over the past three years pointed out that there are no silver bullets to address these problems. Certainly trying to "take down" some other supposed silver bullet in order to push a different silver bullet would be knocking down one straw man in order to prop up another.

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                    by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:41:56 PM PDT

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                    •  Apologies for missing your point. (0+ / 0-)

                      The comment I originally replied to was not about the politics of big oil & coal but about the costs of using private vehicles.

                      I foolishly assumed, when you chimed in you were opening the door to discuss the issues that brought about those attacks. Their HSR support and Carbon taxing.

                      I never was disputing anything here, I have serious reservations when we have legitimate alternatives already available that never get discussed or "put on the table".

                      Maybe you need to review what I stated and I promise not to ask any further questions of you.

                      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                      by gerrilea on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 11:12:50 PM PDT

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              •  1 cent to 1 nickel per pound of carbon ... (0+ / 0-)

                ... will not make us peasants, and while you have made the assertion, you have not presented anything that provides substantial support for the claim, so its just an unfounded assertion.

                1 cent to 1 nickel per carbon, refunded half to individuals and half to communities, with permission to borrow ten years ahead on social dividends to fund GHG reducing capital investments, would make us wealthier, not poorer.

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                by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:30:59 PM PDT

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                •  Respectfully, I know that at your (0+ / 0-)

                  stated prices and my current personal carbon footprint of 32,935 a year. I could be forced to pay from $329 to $1600, each year more.  

                  I make $9.50 an hour.  The math is not needed here.  I can't afford it. And I've cut everything that I can imagine out of my life, including my beloved kitties and I am barely paying my rent, electric, natural gas, car insurance, phone, food and no new clothing, no new car, no chance of moving closer to work, no nothing... begging & borrowing money from family to keep my 20 old car running just to keep doing the same thing day in and day out.

                  I am mentally, physically and spiritually exhausted.

                  My life is not an unfounded assertion
                  , as I'm sure it is true for the millions more just like me here in these "united states" that have been forced to the brink of serfdom.  If you haven't been paying attention our standard of living is worse now than when I was born, 40+ yrs ago.

                  Have a good day.

                  -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                  by gerrilea on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 11:39:10 PM PDT

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                  •  Unfounded assumptions: (0+ / 0-)

                    (1) That you have a higher carbon footprint than average.

                    (2) That the program is designed without a social dividend

                    (3) That the program won't make it possible for you to cut your own carbon footprint

                    (4) That the program is designed with sufficiently low carbon prices that it will not work to reduce the average carbon footprint build into the US economy and

                    (5) Simultaneously that the program will be designed with sufficiently high carbon prices imposed up front with little or no phase so that it will have an impact of $329 to $1600 a year.

                    You are starting with the conclusion ~ my current carbon footprint times the carbon price is how much extra I have to pay ~ and assume every damn thing you need to in order to get to the conclusion, but the assumptions don't hang together.

                    (1) If your carbon footprint is lower than average

                    (2) You would get well over half back with a 50:50 social dividend

                    (3) And with Connie Mae funding have the opportunity to substantially cut your own carbon footprint.

                    Suppose we set a $0.05/pound carbon tax in 2040, imposed at a fifth of a cent per year starting 2015, with a 50:50 social dividend and Connie Mae finance of current social dividend up to 10 years ahead.

                    Nobody in the United States would ever have to face a net cost as high as $30 a month except by choice, and large numbers would have a net income from a social dividend system, so would not have a net cost at all.

                    We know that its possible to have a much higher standard of living with a much lower carbon footprint, since a homeless person in the US has a higher carbon footprint than the Japanese average.

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                    by BruceMcF on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 11:27:20 AM PDT

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                    •  Wow...let's talk then... (0+ / 0-)

                      #1 has no bearing here, it matters not what you, my neighbor or anyone else's carbon footprint is.  You said the carbon taxing would be by the pound.  I used the handy carbon footprint calculator and presented the answer.  

                      #2 Define "social dividend". Do I get a tax break if I have a lower carbon footprint? Can I sell my "extra" to others?  THIS IS THE PROBLEM today with the damn EPA's system. It took me quite a long time to figure out that the fracking "refinery" near Grand Island, NY...near where I roller bladed was allowed to violate the law if they bought "extra" credits.  The system did nothing to stop the crimes from happening, it allowed it. AND AGAIN, where did the damn money go that these companies paid "extra" for? Where do all those fines they pay go?

                      #3 How will the program lower my footprint? Will it give me a new electric car, say the Tesla X?  Will it insulate my apartment so that I do not use as much natural gas to keep warm? Will it create electricity that is green, so that I can keep cool in summer?  I already help by paying an extra $5 a month for "proven green power" from NYSEG.  2400 kilowatts a year.  Not much but I'm dirt poor. Will it give me a new fridge and not the one that is over 20 yrs old? One that would use half the electric if it was?

                      #4 doesn't make sense to me.

                      #5 So, what you are saying is that the first line of producers gets slammed? Doesn't shit roll down hill from there? Everyone and their brothers take a slice of the pie or making excuses for a bigger and bigger piece, right?

                      Your summation of my position makes no sense. I've based my reasoning on what I've been told, by you.

                      Who determines what the thresholds are? What's to stop some future administration from lowering "the average" thus enabling them to keep the dividends to pay for some golf course, football stadium or pet project? What's to stop them from raising the proposed 5 cents per pound to say 50 cents?  At what point do we say we've done the job we need to? Carbon neutral existence means what in reality?

                      Where does the money come from to pay the interest on these future loans? Are they in perpetuity? Where and when is the break even point?

                      While I agree, we all can lower our carbon footprints but comparing our society to the Japanese is disingenuous.  They are totally controlled and subjugated and have a national debt that is 240% of their GDP.  And I do not desire to live like a sardine.  The Japanese have no choices, they lack the physical real-estate.

                      So, how does all of this actually stop global warming again? Why such a convoluted system when the EPA could just as easily raise the new home standards to mandating them to be 70% more efficient? The very real costs about $5,000 extra per home.  All it would take would be proper insulation and design.

                      Why is the focus always on transportation? The largest cost to every person in this country is keeping their homes warm and/or cold, our huge carbon footprints come from the poorly designed homes we live in. Why don't we use the funds to put solar panels on ever home and business? Or build thorium reactors? Or home insulation? Or building design? Or wind turbines? Or geothermal? Or, or a multitude of other options that CAN make a real difference in all of our lives together. AS was the point made by the gentlemen from YALE that you lambasted!

                      Seriously, is it really about reducing global warming and/or lowering our overall carbon footprints? If so, then I'm not impressed.

                      Now do you see why Big Oil & Coal can get away with attacking us??? Most everyone I know is struggling to survive until their next paycheck and these grandiose plans won't help any of us in real immediate ways.

                      I do appreciate you taking time to respond to me.

                      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                      by gerrilea on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 04:13:47 PM PDT

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  •  Transition Towns (6+ / 0-)

    my town in CT has finally formally organized as a transition movement town.
    In small ways we, the people, need to leave the corporate interests in the lurch--from oil interests, to agri-business, to big box stores, to you name it. Thank you, Bruce, for your amazing diaries.

    "Live right. Think left." Gregory Peck

    by bookwoman on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:08:28 PM PDT

  •  One of your best ever posts! (5+ / 0-)

    Hope this goes  viral.

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    by divineorder on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:11:13 PM PDT

  •  Governor Brown (7+ / 0-)
    Governor Brown intervened and brought the CHSRA and local rail authorities together to commit to the sharing of the slower speed corridors between the California HSR system and regional rail systems.
    Gov. Jerry Brown has long been an advocate of rail. IIRC, in one of his terms as governor in the late 1970s and early 1980s he brought in Adrianna Gianturco from Massachusetts to head the Dept of Transportation, which formerly was the Dept of Highways. He added rail to the department's mix, much to the dismay of many highway advocates.
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    For the first time in human history, we possess both the means for destroying all life on Earth or realizing a paradise on the planet--Michio Kaku.

    by psyched on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:43:41 PM PDT

  •  From today's Las Vegas Review Journal (5+ / 0-)

    "Old school" train from Fullerton to Las Vegas

    I used to live within walking distance to the Fullerton train station.

  •  I love the Euro trains in that advert -- we WISH.. (6+ / 0-)

    we had such great trains!

  •  This is what Chrystia Freeland is talking about (8+ / 0-)

    I put up a diary about her opinion piece in the NY Times detailing how the 14th century elites of Venice sabotaged the very things that gave them their elite status to preserver their own status and wealth. Short term self-interest pursued to the point of destruction. Your diary here is another bit of evidence that we're going the same way.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 08:10:07 PM PDT

  •  Fossil fuel industry accustomed to the long game (5+ / 0-)

    True that... Exploration, extraction, and transport networks take decades to develop, and operate for decades thereafter.

    A ten-year war to secure a pipeline route through Afghanistan is just business-as-usual to them... especially when somebody else is footing the bill.

    In an era of diminishing resources, expect them to exercise ever more control over consumption. They have a lot of capital tied up in those wells, refineries, tankers and pipelines.

    They're not going to idly by and watch its value diminish as energy-conserving  technologies come on line

    Have you noticed?
    Politicians who promise LESS government
    only deliver BAD government.

    by jjohnjj on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 11:48:48 PM PDT

  •  Great diary! Thanks for posting. (2+ / 0-)
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    Small correction: Quentin Kopp held office as an Independent, not as a Republican.

    •  Yes, he ran as an independent ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... in a heavily Democratic district and won with heavy Republican financial support, and after hitting his term limits was appointed to positions by Pete Wilson and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

      There are "independents" like that who regularly run for council in heavily Labor Newcastle City in Australia, who would be Libs if the party label was not the kiss of death in the city.

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      by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 06:52:43 AM PDT

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  •  There is a new insidious meme (4+ / 0-)
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    in all the school funding discussion about "no more for schools until we kill the train to nowhere." I've been wondering why it seemed so eerily similar from commenter to commenter. Now I know.

    I think from now on I'll answer it: "Not another penny for highway repair until our schools are fully funded!" :-)

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:48:47 AM PDT

    •  Where is this "nowhere?" (3+ / 0-)
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      There is a new insidious meme
      in all the school funding discussion about "no more for schools until we kill the train to nowhere."
      Fresno County has 930,000 people. Kern County (Bakersfield) has 738K, Tulare  County has 426K, and Kings (Hanford) 150K.  Amtrak currently runs 6 trains round trip between Fresno and Bakersfield (4 originate in Oakland, 2 in Sacramento) and well over 20 bus routes to handle transfer traffic in Bakersfield alone.

      I've been following the Washington Post coverage if the issue, and the only writer who did not get the demographics wrong was George Will. I have to wonder if they have a policy where authors have to misstate the demographics and Will gets a waiver because his column would be syndicated in one or more of the papers in Fresno, Bakersfield, or Visalia.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 06:32:40 PM PDT

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      •  The existing Amtrak services (2+ / 0-)
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        in that area is vibrantly busy with trains running pretty full. Lots of people use the service as it is. And even if that is all that was ever built, I think you'd see it be successful at energizing the region and creating all kinds of new possibilities.

        But it's new to see this tied to education spending. Now I am thinking that many of those people were probably paid to say it.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:35:20 PM PDT

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  •  Oil, gas, and coal interests... (0+ / 0-)

    ...could probably not give less of a crap about this rail system if they tried.

    It might be just as credible to accuse Detroit of trying to scuttle the railway (but we like them I guess).

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 04:28:04 PM PDT

    •  Detroit DID scuttle many streetcar lines. (2+ / 0-)
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      Oil, gas, and coal interests...
      ...could probably not give less of a crap about this rail system if they tried.

      It might be just as credible to accuse Detroit of trying to scuttle the railway

      Back in the 1940s, the National Car Company, a consortium of General Motors, a gas company, and a tire company, bought up a lot of the nation's streetcar lines and converted them to buses and ultimately drove them into bankruptcy.

      The Baltimore Traction Company had accumulated a lot of money during World War II which they intended to rehabilitate the tracks and cars once the war had ended. When the NCC took over, they distributed that money to themselves as a dividend.

      The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 06:39:10 PM PDT

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    •  The propaganda mills they fund ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... fight high speed rail, fight commuter rail, fight regional rail, and fight conventional intercity rail.

      Its not like they "being are consistent libertarians" ~ in transport policy, they also fight for mandatory parking minimums.

      And if you take a look at the total share of petroleum products consumed in the transport sector, there's nothing there to support an assumption that they have no reason to give a crap about the establishment of oil-free alternatives to oil-fueled transport.

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      by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:22:38 PM PDT

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    •  Also, I did not say that ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... gas and coal interests have taken any position in this fight. I've never seen anything from Heartland attacking the California HST. Its always propaganda mills funded by the American Petroleum Institution, Exxon, and the Koch brothers.

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      by BruceMcF on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:24:34 PM PDT

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