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Understanding “Personhood” and its link to the old Caste System (slavery)

“Personhood” according to the radical Christians who believe in it means life begins at conception.  

As such, any interference with the process from this point of origin or conception is considered murder.  So “even though an acorn isn’t a tree” these pundits would argue that it could be and therefore it is PREORDAINED that it will be.

Let’s look at the origin of this idea of preordination.  It comes from the concept of “destiny.” Your life is PREORDAINED.  All things that can and will happen to you have been set in motion according to God’s plan.  

This theological belief comes from old biblical times.  It has, in the past, supported a system with society being divided into separate classes of people and slavery being made normal.  If you are born indebted, of a specific gender or race then that determines your lot in life.  This ideology defined men, women, and minorities and it also elevated people of wealth in society.  This is a  Caste System.

The problem with this concept is that the Bible itself conflicts with it.  

Predestination eliminates the entire concept of “independent will” as the foundation for “grace.”  Religious teachings on grace and forgiveness would be rendered moot if we were not in control of our own destiny by our actions.  Without this concept of independent will there can be no choice and therefore salvation through grace would be destroyed.  We do not live by a roadmap defined and interpreted by others.  

Predestination is a false religious belief, one whose only purpose is to promote slavery, bondage and to justify the control and inequity over other human beings.

When you hear someone say that a rape victim should be forced to continue a pregnancy and its God’s will that she do that it should be clear to you how little this person really thinks of women.

Those who see the world as being “preordained” feel free to control and judge others.  They believe their stature and position in life give them that right.  Their world is not one of inclusion but of exclusion and control.  

Keep this in mind the next time you hear radical Republicans legislating to control a woman’s body and her healthcare decisions.  

Predestination was used in the past to justify slavery, gender inequality, racism, and other forms of prejudice.  It is now being used to justify cruelty and abuse of the poor, sick, and elderly by the privileged and reinforces class barriers to success.  The concept of personhood is merely an expression of a much deeper problem in these people.  It indicates the mind of an ELITIST ATTITUDE.

I wanted to add the following clip from Melissa Harris-Perry.  
She added something I hadn't yet even considered about forcing women who have been raped to have no choice over their own bodies.    

It is reminiscent of slave women who were raped by their owners and forced to continue that pregnancy.  As a result it increased the wealth of their slave owners.

Melissa Harris-Perry's Open Letter To Richard Mourdock on Rape!

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  •  Believe CASTE is the word you're looking for... (7+ / 0-)

    not cast.

    Even though I am disappointed at some of his actions, I am thankful every day that Barack Obama is President and not George Bush and certainly not John McCain.

    by gritsngumbo on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 09:21:59 AM PDT

    •  thanks for the correction (1+ / 0-)
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      G2geek

      Thanks for the correction.  I changed cast to caste.  Good catch.

      I think a consensus is made from a group of people who see with focus the issues that are most important.  

      Democrats need to see from now on that what we agree on is much more important than what we disagree.

      What a different world it would have been if Al Gore had won instead of George W Bush.  

  •  i used to think that the abrogation of free will (1+ / 0-)
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    was intentional, an effort to evade responsibility for one's actions or decisions. Now i am more inclined to think some people have no self-awareness and are not conscious of being able to determine their actions. They are instinct-driven and react to prompts. If there is any choice, it is to not act, do nothing, vegetate, wait for inspiration.
    I suspect such people have little or no sense of time and, rather than perceiving reality as past, present and future, they exist in an ineffable present where events are not ordered and their significance depends entirely on the emotional response they elicit.
    How are people who need to admire a leader, designated for them by someone else, going to respond to that leader being bested? Will it shift their admiration or will it prompt them to disengage

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:02:34 PM PDT

    •  BPD (2+ / 0-)
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      -- Very insightful --
      a lack of intent and lack of a sense of time

      I have met, interacted with, and survived relationships with psychopaths and sociopaths.  Our culture has painted them with shows like CSI.  The first thing the words conjure up is murderer or serial killer.  But they live and hide in all walks of life.  Not only do they prosper but they excel and working the system and getting to the top.  Corporate America is full of them.

      But one that most influenced me was someone who I would say had BPD, Borderline Personality Disorder.  Through my involvement with her and research to understand I learned how important childhood and adolescent development was for all of us.  The also call a similar effect "attachment disorder"  They think in black and white, a world without perspective.  Without throwing any more names around the simple explanation is that some people do not exist within themselves at all.  Their existence and world is the activity they can conjure up externally.  They hunger for it.  And when it is not there they suffer.  To be alone with their own mind is the worst thing that could happen to them.  

      Watch Star Trek's "Daggers of the Mind" for a good metaphor.  Since their whole existence is only in the moment there is no concept long term.  No bond of relationship.  Risk taking is the norm.  

      When I look at some of these rich people who flaunt such materialism I see some of this in them.  OCD or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder manifesting with a preoccupation with the external and mundane is another indicator.  Look up how many famous and wealthy have OCD some time.  I saw Donald Trump and Hitler both on the list.  Howard Hughes is another example.

      We envy the wealthy but the truth is we have much happier lives than they do even with all their wealth.  maybe that is why they are fighting this election so strongly to take from us even more.  It is a hunger that never ends.

      In time they will forget but we will remember.  
      How's that for an irony.

      •  what you're getting at there is Calvinism: (1+ / 0-)
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        A denomination that believes that humans are essentially depraved, that everything humans do is predetermined by God, and that a small number of "the elect" are predestined for salvation while everyone else goes directly to hell.

        This is obvious heresy in Christian terms: by ruling out free will they nullify any basis for morality, and in effect they also deny that the sacrifice of Jesus had any redemptive value.  None the less it has been surprisingly persistent and politically powerful.

        The entire religious right in the US has been deeply influenced by Calvinism, or ultra-Calvinism.  Rousas J. Rushdoony was a major figure behind the scenes, and a major influence on Falwell, Robertson, and others in the religious right.  Keyword search Rushdoony and read up.  

        There was another diary on this topic later in the day:

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 06:44:14 PM PDT

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        •  thanks (0+ / 0-)

          I read the other article.  It was good.  I was in a fundamentalist Church for a long time too.  I understand werhe he is coming from.

          This predistination thing though extends far beyond just Christianity.  It has been used to create class and exhibit control throughout time and include many faiths.  

          predestination supports the concept of an elite class.

          Seems like people are getting better at making logical arguments out of the illogical.  

          Where is Spock or Data?
          Beam me up Scotty....

        •  The Family - Doug Coe - Calvinism (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks again for bring this up.  
          Some else noted Doug Coe

          It is fascinating how contrary to what we consider Christian values their beliefs are.  It's not as much about morals but about power.  

          More Christian leaders seem to be becoming corrupt by "the Family".

          The free market capitalism and other the views coming from the right wing Republicans fit exactly into their values.

          Jeff Sharlet on "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power"
          http://www.democracynow.org/...

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