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In the ongoing "debate" about abortion there is one bit of phrase that tends to come up a lot. It is considered by many to be that rarest of creatures in this increasingly divisive climate, namely common ground. That phrase is "The Rape Exception". It is the idea that all people of good faith and basic decency can agree that regardless of what else you might think about the idea of abortion that certainly it can be agreed that it should be held as legally and freely available to women who have been impregnated due to sexual assault.

There's just one teeny tiny eensy weensy little bitty problem with that.

It is complete fucking bullshit.

What it really is, is the latest in a decades long habit of the Left begging for scraps from the Right. It is the most recent example of the gutlessness of far too many Liberals and Progressives. It is a sign that once again people are entirely too fucking stupid to see and accept the facts no matter how obvious they may be.

In a nutshell here is what the Right does. They take a brutally resolute position on an issue. In this case abortion. Their fundamental position is as follows... "NO". This should come as no surprise to anyone who is actually paying attention, because that is pretty much their position on everything. Equal Rights for LGBT persons? "NO". Meaningful regulations of businesses? "NO". I could go on but since I don't wish to end up throwing my computer or throwing up all over it I shan't. So they proclaim "NO", on abortion. And how does the Left respond? Is there an aggressive push back? Is the strong opposing stance of "YES", taken? Nope. Instead there's a lot of whining and begging and pleading and looking for "common ground". And to all this the Right responds, "Well maybe, maybe, well, uh... NO".

Meanwhile do you have any clue how fucking insulting the "Rape Exception" is? No? Well let me explain it to you.

What "Rape Exception" really translates as is, "You females are not fit to make decisions about your own bodies without a committee of men in suits giving their blessing. Unless you are raped. Then and only then will we give you leave to make a decision about your body and what is done with it. Are we not merciful?"

When people talk about the "divisive atmosphere" in this country today, they always make it sound as if it's a fact of life being c omitted by both the "Right" and the Left. But that's simply not true. The "Right" divides and the Left capitulates.

It needs to end and it needs to end now.

Now I'm not saying that we should take extreme stands on every single issue. There are a loooot of things that are not cut and dried or black and white.

But some things are.

Abortion is one of those things.

So long as the unborn child is within a woman's body it is subject to her total sovereignty over said body.

PERIOD.

There should be no "Rape Exception" because there is no need for one. Because the very idea of an exception means that there are situations under which a woman should not have total sovereignty over her body. That is an idea that is simply not acceptable.

Now if you don't like abortion that's just fine. Work harder to make meaningful and useful education about sex and reproduction part of the curriculum instead of a bunch of abstinence only bullshit. Work harder to give women meaningful options in life besides being a man's sperm receptacle and brood animal. Work harder to ensure access to all forms of birth control for men and women from condoms, to pills, to surgical solutions for those who desire them.

But if you truly consider yourself a Liberal, then do not for even a second let the "Right" dictate terms. Stop whining and begging for their fetid scraps. When they start talking about this restriction or that restriction on a woman's right to exercise total sovereignty over her body look them right in their beady little eyes and say a word that should be well familiar to them considering how readily they say it. "NO".

Keep The Faith My Brothers And Sisters!

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  •  Absolutely (8+ / 0-)

    no window adjustment here.  I agree.

    "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

    by Lava20 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 10:59:49 PM PDT

    •  better yet: shift the window hard-left. (1+ / 0-)
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      See also my comment below.

      Make the righties start begging for every teeny little compromise.

      "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

      by G2geek on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 12:28:05 AM PDT

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  •  I (6+ / 0-)

    think the issue here is that so many women don't consider this as the highest priority.

    Many women aren't concerned about it because they feel safe.  They figure it isn't an issue for them personally.  If they did get raped, they could have one.  Rape is the exception.  And most women who are anti choice use birth control.  All other women use birth control.  And birth control is always available.  If you use too much or it doesn't work, you are a slut.  A baby will teach you.  Next time you will be more careful.

    Not my fault you are slut.

    This moves down the list of important issues.  Fox News and general stupidity explain the rest.  If you have to explain to a women that the levels of rape argument shows that our rights are not safe anymore, then they are stupid or something else is going on.

    Most of the people here are politically active and knew how drastic the GOP has become regarding this.  I really don't think most non political people realize how crazy the right is.

    "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

    by Lava20 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:05:20 PM PDT

  •  I am willing to compromise... most of the time. (7+ / 0-)

    Compromise is required amongst people to make a livable society and economy. But what the Republicans have been doing is unacceptable.

    And I will not back down on this issue. EVER. This is part of civil right. Race, LGBT, Women's issues, and every kind of civil rights are being attacked by Republicans and I will not accept any compromise.

    I was once a typical "I'll vote for the right person. not the party" type of voter. But in protest I will not vote for any Republican again ever.

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:22:44 PM PDT

  •  Very good point, Toriach (8+ / 0-)

    I'm 65, I've had a tubal ligation AND a hysterectomy, but I'm doubling down on my efforts to stop the patriarchy from even thinking they have any right whatsoever to sit in a fancy room and decide which decisions about MY body shall be mine.

    Note to President Obama regarding your Rolling Stone interview: One doesn't have to be young to recognize bullshit.

    Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

    by RJDixon74135 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:32:39 PM PDT

  •  Agree 100%. I was 8 years old in 1973 when (5+ / 0-)

    Roe v Wade was decided by SCOTUS. I grew up knowing what that decision meant and how important it was for women. I was also educated in what was then an outstanding public school system with real Sex Ed from the 6th grade on. As an adult, I came to know women, some friends, some relatives, who had been forced to make the decision to have back alley abortions in the days before Roe v Wade and I know the sometimes very high and wholly unnecessary price some of them had to pay for that.

    We can never go back. Our bodies, our choice...period.

    "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice. We must put our hands on it and we must bend it in the direction of justice." MLK

    by mindara on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 12:04:49 AM PDT

  •  Love this paragraph: (4+ / 0-)
    When people talk about the "divisive atmosphere" in this country today, they always make it sound as if it's a fact of life being c omitted by both the "Right" and the Left. But that's simply not true. The "Right" divides and the Left capitulates.
    That hits the nail on the head.
  •  Attack wins: (8+ / 0-)

    The lesson we need to learn from the last 30 - 40 years of American politics, is that attack wins and defense loses.

    Blitzkrieg.  Shock and awe.  

    And give the extreme right a sufficient dose of it that they are immobilized while we recapture the territory:

    Treat the extreme right as if it is losing, lost, on its way out.

    Introduce legislation on multiple fronts at once:

    Abortion on demand.

    Federal funding for abortion and all other forms of birth control.  

    Science-based medically sound sex ed.

    Repeal parental consent in favor of "guardian" consent that includes medical providers: thus when Suzie Sixteen shows up at Planned Parenthood, the doctor can sign off on the abortion.

    Science only in science classrooms; religious theories of the universe in comparative religion classrooms (and the latter will also tend to subvert right-wing paradigms about exclusive possession of truth).  

    Legalize recreational marijuana (that one always makes righties froth at the mouth) and of course tax it (that does too;-).

    Carbon tax to replace payroll tax (thank you Robert Reich for reminding me of this one via your diary a few days ago).   For that matter, increase the carbon tax to enable eliminating income tax entirely for incomes of up to 4 - 5 times the federal poverty level for each state.  

    Federal recognition of the equal right to marry (regardless of whatever help or hindrance we may get from the Supreme Court).

    Pack the Court with liberals.  It's been a long time since FDR tried it, we should certainly try again.

    FCC to crack down on media conglomerates, re-instate the Fairness Doctrine, and require local content origination.  If Rush doesn't like it he can go on Internet Radio or Satellite and spew until he's blue.

    Progressive tax rates: back to the Nixon tax schedule (don't Republicans say they like Nixon?).

    Capital gains taxed as ordinary income with an exception for startups during their first 5 years of operation (yes, people should be able to get wealthy when they take the real risks of making real investments, but not when they just shuffle paper around).  

    Etc. etc. all the way down the line.

    Pile so much of this stuff on, that the extreme right goes apoplectic, and hopefully goes apoptotic as well (look it up, heh heh;-).

    When Rush gets on the radio and incoherently sputters racial epithets of the unprintable variety, and when the FBI's caseload is filled up with captured right-wing terrorists intercepted in mid-plot, we'll know we're on the right track.

    When we start getting the right wingers in Congress begging us for just a teeny-weeny little compromise here and there, we'll know we're winning.  

    Forward means FORWARD!  

    "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

    by G2geek on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 12:27:00 AM PDT

    •  Agree (2+ / 0-)
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      that we should do all that.  But the most important is a full Amendment that sets no limits on abortion at all.  No more Roe Wade.  Once and for all.  

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by Lava20 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 12:59:34 AM PDT

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      •  take it even further: (5+ / 0-)
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        A comprehensive "internal freedom, privacy, and equality" amendment that includes full sovereignty over one's body and mind, AND the "negative right" as well as the "positive right":

        Not just the right to do X, Y, and Z, but also the right to not be compelled to do Q, R, and S.  

        Properly worded, this will get the whole range of sexual and reproductive issues, and everything else that could be grouped under the header of "internal freedom," the right to complete liberty of body and mind.  Properly worded it will cement these rights in place with the strength of reinforced concrete.

        If the extreme right wants to have a war over it, let's have the war, with a huge umbrella constituency on our side that will turn out at the grassroots to canvass every single household in America.  

        BTW, part of my method with this as with everything else, is to get the extreme right so rabid and frothing at the mouth about it, that they destroy their own credibility and get dismissed altogether as wackaloons, nutters, and terrorists.  Cause them to go into spiraling positive feedback mode until they go poof! like a 1950s science fiction film version of an overloaded computer spewing magnetic tape and print-out all over the room while smoke billows into the air and melted metal and plastic ooze and drip onto the floor.  

        Make it downright spectacular.

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 01:27:19 AM PDT

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        •  Make it downright spectacular! (3+ / 0-)
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          Yes, absolutely.

          Unfortunately it will not be fun. I know there are many right-wing crazies that will not know how to behave themselves once Obama wins a second term. And too many of the otherwise moderates that have been subject to way too many years of astro turfing* will have difficulty.

          * I typed astro turding accidentally. Perhaps it is more appropriate.

          This better be good. Because it is not going away.

          by DerAmi on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 01:55:24 AM PDT

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          •  it may not be fun but we can have some fun with it (0+ / 0-)

            Look up the Yippies (1960s) and the Yes Men (current) for hints on political street theatre and gray ops, that can make serious traction in the media and leave us laughing schadenfreudistically (heh, I turned a noun into an adverb!) while our enemies are crying into their beer.  

            "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

            by G2geek on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 04:13:18 AM PDT

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        •  Exactly! (1+ / 0-)
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          It is so sad to me to see all these little laws being passed making it difficult for women to make a choice.

          I'm really sad after reading some other websites and see how rabid these morons are.

          "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

          by Lava20 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 02:59:30 AM PDT

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          •  but let's not haz a sad: let's haz a MAD. (1+ / 0-)
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            Mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more.

            See also my comment further down, under "excellent, kids, strategy," re. Speaker Nancy Pelosi armed with a pair of highly symbolic scissors as well as her customary gavel.

            BTW, I should mention: all of these "abuse of defenseless people" issues such as child abuse, child sexual abuse, elder abuse, anti-abortionism, anti-contraceptionism, etc. etc., all go so far past my pacifism limit it isn't even funny.  Reading about that stuff around here entails exercising serious self-control to avoid saying something bannable.  

            "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

            by G2geek on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 04:10:59 AM PDT

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    •  I am reminded about how I am (3+ / 0-)
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      raising my children. I remind them often to ask or tell me what they want. And quit just whining. Ask me a question. Tell me something. They often understand and the whining increases when they spend too much time with the in-laws (about 10 minutes).

      As they get older, I am transitioning into "you can do that yourself" mode on more issues. "Yes, you get to decide that. Learn how to do it yourself."

      ------

      There is no use to debate with the Republicans about these issues any longer. We must move forward without them. We need neighborhoods and workplaces that will shame the idiots who parrot the Faux Noise propoganda.

      We need to quit asking Republican for permission to do what we know is right.

      Maybe we need to take the type of stand that a few Americans took who also knew action was required: Let's do this.

      GOTV. Take the house. Take the senate. Tell your Representative and Sentators to steamroll the Republican agenda for the good of the nation.

      This better be good. Because it is not going away.

      by DerAmi on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 01:48:06 AM PDT

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      •  excellent! kids, strategy... (0+ / 0-)

        Sounds like you're doing the right thing with your kids, and that's a really smart strategy.  You're going to have activists on your hands when they get older.  

        Re. strategy re. the Rs:

        Fully agreed.  Leave them behind.  And if by some odd chance or election suppression we lose in two weeks, we should launch "Operation TOM: Their Own Medicine," as in "give them a dose of."  Dig in our heels and do not budge an inch.  Lock up the House, lock up the Senate, filibuster and then do it the oldfashioned way by reading the White Pages and then the Yellow Pages nonstop on the Senate floor, until the Rs' eyes glaze over.  

        And if it threatens to crash the economy, the answer is, "tough shit, you did exactly the same thing, now eat it, poop it out, smear it on your shirts, and wear it."  

        Total nuclear brinksmanship with Democratic fingers hovering millimeters above the proverbial red button.  

        And if election suppression doesn't work and we win as we're expecting:  exercise real power for a change.  Zero compromises until the Rs come begging, and then tell them to get on their knees and ask "pretty please?"

        One more thing, just to rub their snotty snooty noses in it:

        Speaker Pelosi should have another tool on her desk, right next to her gavel:  a pair of scissors.  And she should wield them profusely, and make the gesture of going "snip-snip!" early and often.  Let them call her "a castrating bitch" for that, and she should reply, "that's Madame Speaker and Omnipotent Castrating Bitch to you, sir!"

        "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

        by G2geek on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 04:04:35 AM PDT

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  •  You're right (1+ / 0-)
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    This is not an issue to be compromised based simply on someone else's belief system or subject to a public morality, legislative action or even a court decision. In this case a woman's individual reproductive right couldn't be more personal.  I've been arguing this case for many years...and still we have people who think that we have to make that political  "compromise." It's nothing short of asking for someone else's permission because it may conflict with their belief system or moral sensibility.  

    It's sometimes hard to make a distinction between an individual right and what may benefit a society as a whole because neither the individual nor society can exist without the other, but I think that there are things that are so offensive to an individual's quality of life, that it has to exist as an inherent right and understood in the context of society.

    Maybe a guarantee might require an amendment to our Constitution.

    "In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."- Albert Camus

    by valadon on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 02:04:22 AM PDT

  •  Actually, that's not quite right. (0+ / 0-)

    Abusers abuse and liberals put on band aids. The liberal impulse is to ameliorate, to make things better. That's because we are reluctant to stop behavior that isn't likely to actually kill. Liberals have become convinced that abuse (punishment) must be warranted because they themselves do not punish without a just cause. That sadists inflict injury because it makes them feel good to give in to the lust for power does not occur to people who experience no such lust.
    Self-confident people do not feel impotent. They have no sense of insecurity for which they try to compensate. Which is why we need objective observers who see clearly that simply denying someone's human rights is abusive and a signal that abusive behavior is likely to follow. We have to be prepared to say 'No.' It is, after all, the only word abusers understand.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 03:38:31 AM PDT

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