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Last week, I compared the State Educational Ranking in Science and Math with how the Electoral College Map was shaping up.  Many people dismissed the statistics.  Perhaps it is time to revisit how these statistics and see if perhaps there is a lesson to be learned for future elections.

Of course this is just another way of stating the obvious, that POTUS Obama won.  However, in 4 years some other politician is going to be running for this office so it's worth a look, some consideration and perhaps even a little civilized discussion.  

Top 10 states in Science and Math -- 9 were Blue States, 1 was Red.  Here is the list:

New Jersey
New Hampshire
New York

Accordingly in the bottom 10 states in the same subjects -- 8 were red and 2 were blue.  

South Carolina
New Mexico
West Virginia

In the very middle  20-30 ranked states -- 6 were blue, 4 were red.  Perhaps with the margins as close as they were, this explains how and why POTUS Obama succeeded in being reelected.  (Or not)


Overall, in the top half of the country, there were 18 blue states and 7 red states.  States at the bottom half of the rankings went 18 red states and 7 blue.

Reason and education really do prevail which is why saving education must be a priority to saving our country's future generations.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

    by pollchecker on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 07:18:00 AM PST

  •  What measure do you use for (3+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, DRo, JayRaye

    State Educational Ranking in Science and Math? Do you have a link?

  •  I see a correlation here in Alabama (1+ / 0-)
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    where people actively disavow science, which I think then drives them away from critical thinking needed in engineering, research, etc. We do have 8 ABET accredited engineering schools in Alabama, which is excellent, so there is some hope. Then again, I know creationist engineers, and the number of engineering students vs. everything else is pretty small. Plus you really don't need to accept evolution to be able to use Physics.

    •  high school performance (3+ / 0-)
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      JayRaye, semiot, Southern Lib

      The Science and Engineering Readiness Index (SERI) measures how high school students are performing in physics and calculus.

      The number of engineering schools is irrellevant especially if you are having problems finding qualified students.  This is the case in engineering schools all across the board.

      SERI scores do not compare states to schools' performances in other countries, even the American leader -- Massachusetts -- would struggle to compete with countries like China or Singapore.

      For years, the U.S. has lagged behind other countries in math and science. A 2009 study showed that American students ranked 25th among 34 countries, behind nations like China, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong and Finland.

      State Rankings for Math and Science Education

      I hear American employers complaining they cannot find qualified engineering candidates here in the US and these statistics surely explain why.  

      We are typically spending good money on a sub par product.  If Alabama has 8 engineering schools but ranks 49th in the country on science and engineering scores, perhaps Alabama needs to have less schools and use that money to improve their high schools science and math programs.

      The evolution versus creationism argument has been around for a century.  It's only been a stumblingblock to a good education since Bush's "No Child Left Behind" policies.

      Nevertheless, if we want to get rid of partisanship then education clearly is the pathway to accomplishing that.

      Visit the Iraq Memorial Quilt @

      by pollchecker on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 08:21:48 AM PST

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      •  Planned oversupply of qualified STEM workers in US (0+ / 0-)

        Many analysts find here is a surplus of Science Technology Engineering & Math(STEM)-trained professionals (Teitelbaum, 2007; Toppo and Vergano, 2009; Bracey, 2009.)

        A report of the World Economic Federation (Schwab, 2012) confirms that there is no crisis. The US ranks near the top of the world on all categories related to STEM education and availability of expertise: According to the World Economic Federation, the US ranks 5th out of 144 countries in "availability of scientists & engineers," is tied for 5th in "quality of scientific research institutions," ranks 3rd in "university-industry research collaboration” and ranks 7th “capacity for innovation,” which means that American innovation comes largely from research efforts done in the US.

        Only three countries ranked in the top ten in all four of these categories: Sweden, Israel, and the US. China didn’t come close to the top ten in any of them.

        "… the impending shortage of scientists and engineers is one of the longest running hoaxes in the country" (Bracey, 2009).

        The business roundtable & the chamber of commerce have an investment in crying wolf about the shortage of  'qualified workers in the US' so they can take their business to China and pay their workers sub-par wages. Multi-national corporations are off-shoring their engineering needs at an increasing rate. In fact, the effort is to have an OVERSUPPLY of scientists and engineers:
      •  The money saved from cutting (0+ / 0-)

        undergraduate and postgraduate science and engineering education would never be seen in the earlier stages of education.

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