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Sorry for the short diary folks, but I had to call this out. I grew up in rural red state, voted for Bush Sr., then Clinton twice, then Nader, learned my lesson and am Team Blue now, but let me say, I know these "red state" folks, I grew up with them. They are my mom, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, and old childhood friends. They are people, and they can be won over, but the reason we are not is this letter (with my response after the fold):

"Dear Red States
We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've
decided we're leaving.

We in California intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware that includes New York, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of
the Northeast.

We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America

To sum up briefly:
You get Texas , Oklahoma and all the slave states.

We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.

We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of
America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs.

You get Alabama .

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92%
of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living
redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99%
of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush
Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite , thank you.

38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death
penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.


A Citizen of the Enlightened States of America"

Why this is so wrong after the jump.

While this might be entertaining it isn't helpful. Reconstruction was abandoned because of divided politics and 150 years after the Civil War the South is just now coming to terms with itself. We did more for Europe after WWII than we did for our own fucking country after the Civil War, and it's hard to believe that's still relevant but sadly it is when we take every possible chance to denigrate those different from ourselves - the conservative Southerners, rural folk, people who haven't been afforded the opportunity for education and economic opportunity because of generations of division and mistrust, and that encompasses people of all races in the "red states." Stop feeding that beast, it is eating our country alive.

It would take a dumbass self-righteous, smug liberal Californian (and I say this as a liberal Midwester who'd be way left of center in CA) to give up New Orleans, the Florida Keys, Lowcountry, Blue Ridge Mountain, Mississippi Delta, Carolina Piedmont, Tidewater, you-name-it awesome region of the South to make themselves feel better about where they are here and now. It is ignorant of the history of this country and prevents our moving forward together. Neanderthals? No place in public discourse.

Let's stop judging each other and solve some problems, beginning with our lack of respect for one another. Let's do the work and our ideals will win, but we must begin with mutual respect and dignity. The haters and obstructionists will isolate themselves in time, but it will take time and lots of work. We've dug ourselves into a big hole in this country, and that hole is dissonance, mistrust, finger-pointing, self-righteousness, and bigotry, which cuts both ways. Let's stop digging and start building, it's the only way up. We elected Obama, let's make this a UNITED States of America as he has asked of us. Get to work.

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  •  Yeah, that's not helpful at all. (3+ / 0-)
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    glorificus, RandomNonviolence, Smoh

    And I know we have dim people too, but it still stings when confronted with it...  which is exactly why we should.  Good job on your response...  Nobody likes a smug SOB, and this moment after the big win is when I have to be very careful not to shove that in people's face.  Looks like someone else should have too.  Good diary!

    A civilized humanity, like reality, has a liberal bias.

    by mechboots on Wed Nov 07, 2012 at 11:58:59 PM PST

  •  Er... Reconstruction was abandoned bc of a corrupt (20+ / 0-)

    stolen election, 1876.  The Rs made a deal, they got POTUS, the South got federal troops out and lynchings and Jim Crowe in.

    We wouold be a far better country if Reconstruction had lasted long enough for the Confederate generations to have completely died off and the African-Americans to have use political power to secure entry into the then middle-class and most importantly own land.

  •  Okay. Them first. (13+ / 0-)

    Quit calling us traitors and nigger-lovers; we'll stop calling them ignorant hateful gullible fools.  

    Why do WE have understand them?

    By them I do not obviously mean all southerners; I include northerners who  'think' the same way.

    •  Because that's what liberals and progressives (8+ / 0-)

      always have to do - be the bigger people. It becomes tiring.

      I was educated in Texas and despite all its failings, I loved my experience at my alma mater, but I've reached the point where I'm on the side of not merely letting them go, but rather "let's push them out".  And that includes some of my family members and a good chunk of my facebook friends.  Some of them are posting crazy crap.

      A homo in a bi-national relationship - at 49, I had to give up my career, leave behind my dying father, my family & friends and move to Europe. And I'm one of the *lucky* ones: Immigration Equality

      by aggieric on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:31:07 AM PST

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    •  Because we're supposed to be better. (2+ / 0-)
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      Become the change we wish to see in the world.  Let our means be our ends in embryo.  Live as though the world were as it should be, to show it what it can be.

      That's the high road for you.  A tougher climb, but a much better view down the trail a bit.

      "If Mitt takes office, sooner or later, the Zomnies will come for all of us." -Joss Whedon

      by quillsinister on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:34:28 AM PST

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    •  Exactly! Them first. (8+ / 0-)

      I'm getting really tired of hearing about how we're supposed to be nice to them (Repugnants).  After getting their conservative bulls**t forced on us for these many years (Raygun, Bush, Bush2), I think the country has realized that maybe they're all talk and no results.  They are just bullies.  With them it's always my way or the highway.  So I say treat them like a bully.  Stand up to them and call them on their ignorance.  But we don't have to be nice to them.  That usually doesn't work with a bully.

      ... like tears in rain

      by bladerunner on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 04:55:18 AM PST

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  •  or we could follow Truman's advice (32+ / 0-)

    We'll stop telling the truth about them when they stop lying about us.

    Seriously, I am not going to sit idly by when some ignorant jerk spouts on and on about how liberals are living on welfare at the expense of hardworking conservatives in the heartland.

    Nor will I be silent when they go on and on and on and on about how deficient my morals are because I'm not a Christian, don't have a problem with gay marriage, and think it's not only ok but a good idea to tax billionaires a bit more steeply than the rest of us.

    My inclination is to live and let live.  But I also do not tolerate fools and bigots.

  •  I am from a rural area (4+ / 0-)
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    un a different part of the country. I find great irony in the self righteous name calling.

    The "who cares what happens to the stupid rednecks" attitude coupled with the absolute disbelief that they always vote or the republican leaves me shaking my head in wonder.

    It's about respect. It is also about valuing the very real skills rural people have. Here most are very nearly libertarian. They are so self sufficient that if the rest of us disappeared tomorrow they probably would barely notice.

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:25:18 AM PST

    •  not true (5+ / 0-)

      The rural states get far more money from the feds than they pay in taxes, mainly to pay for infrastructure such as roads, bridges, dams, dredging river channels, etc.

      If people in states like Alaska or Alabama had to pay their own way their taxes would skyrocket, or their infrastructure would quickly deteriorate.  Either way, they definitely would notice.

    •  That is simply wrong (1+ / 0-)
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      Rural areas are all heavily subsidized by the government.  It costs more per capita, and a lot more per tax revenue dollar per capita, to provide roads, power, police, education, social services, disaster response and mail to 'self-sufficient' people who live in low-density parts of the country.  The rate of government support is extremely high out there, and it should be.  We need their productivity just as much as anyone's.  It costs the rest of us a bit more but the trade-offs are well worth it.  

      Tom Frank was a pseudo that I coined before I found out about that guy who writes books.

      by Tom Frank on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 06:36:50 AM PST

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      •  Anyone know where to find the data on that? (0+ / 0-)

        I've wanted to see the numbers on taxes paid vs services received for so long. Where should anybody look? Apologies for possibly dumb question.

      •  Not this town (0+ / 0-)

        We have only county roads that are not often maintained and not contributed to by the federal government. They come from our own taxes both property and sales.
        I myself no longer live there but own a tract of land on which I pay several thousand in taxes. almost $1000.00 of it goes to schools or $100.00 per acre. Multiply that by the acreage in our school district, not including houses which are also taxed and you get 135% of our 2011 school budget.

        Power is maintained by a rural pud that runs in the black as a town we raised our own rates to pay for underground power lines to be installed slowly as we had the money. Our power comes from Bonneville which we buy wholesale and diperse at retail we are paying our share of the mortgage on that  each year.

        We have often been without power for weeks the underground power solves that.

        We have one cop who comes to town ocasionally and drives through.He is also from the county. We have little need or the police or social services in fact we avoid them if at all possible. Our fire department is all volunteer with equipment paid for by voted bonds.

        We also subsidize the port in a city nearly 60 miles away, pay excise tax on a bus service that does not come to our town, and storm water run off when we have no storm water system.

        We have nothing but problems with government. Recently the town sued the county for designing a bridge to replace an old one without any input from us. They eliminated the raised side walks used by kids going to school and two chidren were killed. That is how the government rolls around there.

        We do have a post office.  In a disadter we have always been on our own. We really can take care of ourselves very well.

        Every town is different and what they pay versus what they consume is also different. You can quite statistics all day long but those do not apply to the reality of individual towns in different places.

        It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

        by PSWaterspirit on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 08:20:32 PM PST

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  •  I'm with you; and there's also a pragmatic... (4+ / 0-)
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    ... rationale for not engaging in that kind of bullshit:

    It's divisive, it puts progressives against each other, it breaks down the broad-based coalitions that all of us (North, South, urban, rural) need to win.  

    There's been a bunch of divisive BS going around lately.  I'm going to be making some noise about some of it in a diary shortly.  Subject matter: "Obama murders children" rhetoric.

    A small number of people appear to get off on stirring up internal divisions.  It's time to tell them to put up or shut up.  

    This election was the turning point toward a future with a future.

    by G2geek on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:42:36 AM PST

    •  Yep. (3+ / 0-)
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      As a Texan, I hate getting shit on because I happen to live in a state that's not "enlightened," even if I didn't drink the Ted Cruz Kool-Aid.

      28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:02:53 AM PST

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      •  Agreed; and every time I see Texas-bashing... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... I at least know enough to reply "LBJ, Molly Ivans, Sully Sullenberger," and wish I'd memorized a few more names to add to that list because there are many.  South-bashing in general, and also anti-Christian bigotry which runs pretty rampant here (I don't identify with any recognized faith as such but I'm pretty ferocious about bigotry vs. freedom of conscience, and my reply to that stuff is "MLK, Jimmy Carter, etc.").

        There are people who get off on being divisive and inflammatory, and there are people who get off on dominating others.  They're spread across the political spectrum, and it's on all of us to make that behavior socially unacceptable here.  


        This election was the turning point toward a future with a future.

        by G2geek on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:09:03 AM PST

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  •  As a smug Californian, I have to agree. (3+ / 0-)
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    While this might be entertaining it isn't helpful.
    Correct on both counts.  Although they've said far worse about my home, and other states with whom we align politically and culturally, responding in kind cheapens all of us and perpetuates mutual hostility that serves the interests of none.  That doesn't mean I won't go a few rounds when one of them is feeling frisky, but I once read a great line in a book of Japanese philosophy; "To be a samurai is to be always polite."

    I'm not a samurai, but I do appreciate the sentiment.

    "If Mitt takes office, sooner or later, the Zomnies will come for all of us." -Joss Whedon

    by quillsinister on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:43:44 AM PST

    •  Because something on social media, spread (4+ / 0-)
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      Virally, says its written by a Californian, we believe that claim?

      I recall seeing something like this years ago. I don't even think it was in connection with an election. It was sent via email forwards, virally.

      I'll trust the origins of authorship when I get proof. No "smug Californians" memes for me, thanks -- any more than I propound "rude New Yorkers" or "racist Southerners" stereotypes.

      Those don't help either.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:05:25 AM PST

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    •  Didn't the samurai go around cutting people's (0+ / 0-)

      heads off?  I seem to remember in the TV miniseries "Shogun" that a peasant didn't incline his head sufficiently when a samurai rode up on horseback so the samurai just lopped off his head.  Uggalee.

      "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

      by Diana in NoVa on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 05:21:00 AM PST

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  •  *Standing Ovation* (1+ / 0-)
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    Thank You author.

    He who has the candle leads the way into the night.
    Be the candle not the darkness.

  •  truth hurts (21+ / 0-)

    As a Californian who has lived all over the country (military) I cant tell you all the crap I have heard about the evils of my home state over the years.

    People who have never set foot in California telling me how terrible it is.  Wishing that an earthquake would make if fall off into the ocean, taking my family with it.  Telling me that I must be gay/dumb/stoned because of where I was born.  

    And of course Californians pay BILLIONS a year in taxes that support "taker" Red States.  More Californians have died in Iraq and Afghanistan than any other state, red or blue.  And California produces more of the national GDP than any other state.

    I find this rant very funny and I intend to send it to lots of my friends.  And if Fox news watching idiots dont like it they can kiss my California ass.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:54:16 AM PST

    •  oh and one more thing (0+ / 0-)

      Go Giants!!!  2 World Series in 3 years!!

      Go 9ers!  5 Super Bowls in 14 years and the only team with more than 3 to never lose a Super Bowl.

      Go UCLA and John Wooden "A lot of people win one in a row" plus that other team that plays Basketball.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:37:46 AM PST

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      •  Cough. Stanley Cup in LA right now. Cough. (2+ / 0-)
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        © grover

        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:07:05 AM PST

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        •  Forgot about that! (1+ / 0-)
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          But I barely acknowledge anything south of Big Sur  :)

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:33:19 AM PST

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          •  Heh. A true NoCal. (1+ / 0-)
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            A NoCal born and bred colleague of mine used to say, everything south of Carmel is "Los Angeles."

            I'd say, but, there's Bakersfield, Fresno, San Diego, Palm Springs, etc.  and he'd say, "yeah: Los Angeles."


            © grover

            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:46:57 AM PST

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    •  I do wonder if the diarist would have written (6+ / 0-)

      "Smug liberal Oregonian" or "smug liberal Vermonter."

      The diarist might need to do a bit of soul-searching about attitudes towards citizens in other states before s/he preaches to us about ours.

      I'm not arguing with the overall idea of the diary so much. In fact, I make the same sort of arguments around here regularly.

      But broad brushes statements and  stereotypes  are no way to sell this idea:

      Let's stop judging each other
      A little self awareness goes a long way.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:22:21 AM PST

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  •  Neanderthals? GEICO ads. (12+ / 0-)

    The RED states accuse us liberals of being takes.

    THE FACTS:  Most RED states get more Federal tax money than they pay.

    While it is not "polite" to suggest that the Civil War was a mistake (because it did accomplish giving all Americans the rights they deserve), it was the bloodiest war that Americans have ever fought. Both sides paid a heavy price.

    However, students at Ole Miss rioted because President Obama got re-elected.

    JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — A protest at the University of Mississippi against the re-election of President Barack Obama grew into crowd of about 400 people with shouted racial slurs as rumors of a riot spread on social media. Two people were arrested on minor charges.

    The university said in a statement Wednesday that the gathering at the student union began late Tuesday night with about 30 to 40 students, but grew within 20 minutes as word spread. Some students chanted political slogans while others used derogatory racial statements and profanity, the statement said.

    This is what enough yahoos stand for.  They can go elsewhere.  We don't need that kind of bigotry in the US.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry November 6, 2012 MA-4 I am voting for my friends Barry, Liz and Joe (Obama, Warren and Kennedy)

    by BornDuringWWII on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 12:57:11 AM PST

  •  Hard to respect Tea Party people (3+ / 0-)
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    Problem is, California actually could be its own country and be quite well off IMO. Relatively speaking. So, much of what the person said is true. Of course, voicing ugly truths about flyover culture is often impolitic and "unhelpful," given reality. But exposing racist backwards culture in America has always been a sort of American tradition too, particularly coming from California and New York. A lot of people resent it, but that just goes with the territory.

    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      I think that you're correct that this sort of stuff is unhelpful.  It kind of feels the same way like, well, billionaires telling us we'd all starve without them so we should cut their taxes.

      28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:13:23 AM PST

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  •  Probably written by wingnuts (3+ / 0-)
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    Probably by one of those direct-response rackets, just using the defeat to try and further entrench the Republican brand among the feeble-minded.

    Written, that is, by on of the guys described here.

    Secession was a major theme of right-wing radio this morning in my 90 minutes of listening...

    Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore

    by Minerva on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:00:06 AM PST

  •  I live in a red state (2+ / 0-)
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    And I agree with you that this kind of crap needs to stop.

    Even as a liberal red stater, it's obnoxious to read things like this.  It's not my fault that the people of my state think Rick Perry is an awesome governor.

    What can be done?  For some (if not most) of them, there is no penetrating the closed information bubble where Barack Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist whose intent is to destroy America, where supply-side economics actually works, and where Christians are being persecuted every day in this country.

    28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:01:38 AM PST

    •  So, if "there is no penetrating the closed (8+ / 0-)

      information bubble...", then why not dismiss them? Frankly, I'm sick of 'em. The level of racism, bigotry, and general idiocy I'm exposed to here in North Carolina - in a part rural/part suburban county adjacent to semi-enlightened Charlotte - is intolerable. If we don't call these assholes out, who will?

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:54:31 AM PST

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  •  Although (4+ / 0-)
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    I am reminded of a Facebook posting I saw today from a friend back in Tennessee, who went off on people who thought welfare was just for lazy people because she had been on Medicaid and food stamps for a time.

    In basically every single comment, the commenter either expressed support for helping people out or admitted that they themselves had been on it... and yet, every single one of them also felt the need to go out of their way to criticize people who "abuse" the system and we need to crack down on the people who are "dependent" on it.  People who don't even make the effort to make it on their own.  Or how they can't get the assistance they need because of all the people abusing the system.

    This is the sort of attitude that's pervasive in the red states.  Food stamps are fine when an honest person like myself needs it, but I hate it when the parasites abuse the system.  (Yes... I understand the racial undertones, being a native Tennessean and all.)  Most of them probably vote Republican, I'd guess.  Why?  If you're a liberal, you don't go out of your way to criticize people who abuse entitlements.

    28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:09:38 AM PST

  •  People have a right to to form a government (1+ / 0-)
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    ...that they respect and fully surround themselves with the values they believe in. It is the only true path to happiness and cooperation.

    To force 49 percent of a people to live under the polar-opposite tyranny of 51 percent -- at any given time is a social obscenity. It is a destructive way to run a nation and it can not stand.

    Eventually the US will regionalize with limited sovereignty -- if for economic reasons alone. The states united cannot afford their own infrastructure -- and whether red or blue, they reject much of the imperialism of the Federal government, which is largely corporate owned, in any event.

    Americans are just going through the motions because they are terrified of change. They've been divided so long that they think it is normal, yet that is the very ill that has allowed them to be exploited by the corporations and their assets to be stripped from their commonwealth.

    There is no way around the fact that people deserve a government that epitomizes the values that the overwhelming majority of them share. It's time to evolve, join together in regions with the like minded, and gain sovereignty over the regions they choose to live. Only in this way can each gain their true potential and pursue  their happiness.

    Just an opinion. Not a personal threat.

    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:15:45 AM PST

  •  It's unnecessarily polarizing (0+ / 0-)

    Most people are not tea partiers, even in "red states".  Grouping them all does NOT help to promote a progressive worldview or progressive politics.

    In fact, it plays right into right wing memes about smug, arrogant liberals.   That's not the way to get people to see another point of view.

  •  We'll be happy to sell you oil for $150/barrel (0+ / 0-)

    And wheat for $75/bushel.

    And we get to keep Heidi Heitkamp.

    The electoral college was my safety school.

    by Fiddler On A Hot Tin Roof on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 01:47:53 AM PST

    •  Washington produces about 50% of white wheat (2+ / 0-)
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      In America right now. That could increase if necessary (we'd just plant our wine grapes up slopes more).

      Oil? Blue states have oil wells and refineries.

      And speaking of oil, California produces its own amazing olive oil too. None of this stuff that's sold as "imported olive oil" but is when tested is shown to be 50% or more cheap canola. The real stuff. Yummy.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:37:21 AM PST

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  •  I don't buy it. (11+ / 0-)

    To me this sort of stuff needs to be said, and said often.  Blue states subsidize red states, yet the right wing noise machine has managed to persuade half of America that Obama voters are the "takers" and Romney voters are the "makers".

  •  I'd rather they'd secede. (7+ / 0-)

    They're a drag on the rest of us, politically, philosophically, fiscally and culturally.

    And I have several Southern family members, who, I might add, are always asking for money.

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:13:54 AM PST

  •  The Florida keys? (3+ / 0-)
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    Florida has voted now twice for Obama and once for Clinton. And gore won here by 500 votes but that was deemed no enough. If there were a split, we'd be in the blue group.

    •  That's fine. (2+ / 0-)
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      But we do have a list of requirements:

      1. You must elect a new governor.
      2. Drop everyone named Bush off in Texas on your way over.
      3. Leave all the bugs larger than a Volkswagen behind.

      © grover

      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 02:42:11 AM PST

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      •  The Bushes are from Connecticut (1+ / 0-)
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        But we don't want them back.

      •  Our governor is a bad guy. (2+ / 0-)
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        But if Florida had virtually any other Republican governor, Obama would have lost. This governor was completely banished from the campaign and from any participation whatsoever. His only duty was to try to suppress the vote, which is just not a great strategy for the GOP. He's a nightmare for those of us in the state, but the whole nation is indebted to him for being so unpopular that he couldn't help a Republican carry Florida against Obama.

  •  Relax, people. (5+ / 0-)
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    We won. Have some fun.


  •  It's a joke... (10+ / 0-)

    Rick perry actually threatened secession.  When you see a prominent dem seriously talking about forming a new union wake me up...

  •  Neither the FB post nor the diary are useful (6+ / 0-)

    I'm already sick of hearing all this "understanding" and "reaching across the aisle" crap.  In very practical terms, it means nothing.  Sure, there's no point in saying rotten things about each other, but if conservatives don't stop doing it, then getting liberals to stop doing it too doesn't serve any purpose except to give us a high horse.  Even if we all DID stop doing it, nothing changes unless we all stop thinking it and acting on it, which are much more insidious problems to fix.

    The problem is MUCH more practical than that, and the problem is philosophy and policy.  Does anyone pushing this hands-across-the-water stuff follow that through to understand what it means in terms of policy?  It means we give up things we believe in very deeply in order to gain the absolutely useless achievement of "bipartisanship".  So let's talk about it in those terms, because we seem to be having some sort of daydream that we can keep gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, respect for the environment, getting the 1% to pay their fair share, and health care advances, but just reach out our hands and the bickering will stop.  

    Let's be clear that we are talking about trading policies that are important to us for some illusion of acceptance  on the part of the far right.

    This morning I was reading post-mortems written by conservatives on the election.  So many of them said that going forward, the GOP must begin to target "brown" populations and women..that their problem was that they didn't create advertising for those groups.  I thought, "how stupid can you get?", it's not that you didn't create advertising for them, it's that you don't create POLICY for them!

    We really need to get past this idea that if you just speak nicely to someone they'll like you, even if your positions on issues are worlds apart.  This is a much bigger problem than some facebook rant, and it won't be solved until the conservative bubble breaks, the lying stops, and people are ready to have real conversations based on reality.

    •  Yes! Yesterday I happened to catch part of an (4+ / 0-)
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      exchange between that loser Michael Steele and someone else on MSNBC, wherein Steele said, "We must start compromising on our principles in order to work together."

      The stupid ass.  He meant policies, not principles.  If the progressives start compromising on the principles of marriage equality, inclusion of Latinos, women, African-Americans, and Muslims, then we're doomed as a nation.

      I don't want compromise on principles.  There's already been enough of that.

      "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

      by Diana in NoVa on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 05:24:43 AM PST

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    •  My thoughts precisely (2+ / 0-)
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      I refuse to tolerate bigotry. The trope that being tolerant means being tolerant of all viewpoints, no matter how vile, needs to die.

      I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you/ YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CULTURE ALIENATES ME. Bikini Kill

      by pitbullgirl65 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 05:30:23 AM PST

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  •  California (1+ / 0-)
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    Ah yes, the state that gave us Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Pete Wlson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and  Darrell Issa.  The enlightened one.

  •  lots of people in "red" states vote Democratic (0+ / 0-)

    and lots of people in "blue" states vote Republican.

  •  I won't forward it, but it certainly was funny (0+ / 0-)

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 05:21:43 AM PST

  •  I got this thing too (0+ / 0-)

    eMailed by some lefty friend of my mother's.
    It's tempting but wrong.
    For one thing, the reddest of red states is still 20% purple and the bluest of blue, better than 30% purple.
    Yes, there are stupid rednecks in the south, but we have our own brand of stupid jerks up here too, in CT we call them Swamp Yankees. And they sound and act just like their southern cousins, with a different funny accent but the same stupid prejudices and hatreds.
    I grew up with a regional prejudice against anything south of Philadelphia, that was demolished by travelling down through the SouthEast, nice and slow. It jumped out at me how polite people were down there, even after seeing the CT plate on my truck. That's not always reciprocated, shoe on other foot.
    As for secession/expulsion, I think it was LBJ who said: "Better to have 'em inside the tent p!ssing out than outside p!ssing in".
    Meanwhile, I sit in the lovely NorthEast, all the trees look dead and won't be green again until next May, looking at sleet coming down, turning last night's snow into slush, listening to traffic reports of wreck after wreck blocking I-95 and the LIE, wondering what the h3ll I'm doing living in a place where water, which composes most of my body mass, can freeze in open air.
    I'm with staredecisis, let's bury this divisive crap. It works to the advantage of the manipulators to keep us split and fighting. Look closely and you'll find good people all throughout this country, North and South. And if you are honest with yourself, you can find ignorant dipsh!ts in your own town, just as obnoxious as any you'll find elsewhere. For every Eric Cantor (speaking of smug) I can give you a Dana Rohrabacher, I see your Mitch McConnell and raise you one Joe Lie berman (now on his last 6 weeks of misrepresenting CT).

  •  You know why conservatives don't respect us? (2+ / 0-)
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    Because of sentences like "let's stop judging each other and solve some problems, beginning with our lack of respect for one another."

    Republicans/conservatives care about one thing and one thing only: winning.  That can be seen by the way they supported a soulless character like Mitt Romney (oh, sorry I judged him, but I thought it was okay since I actually am a dumbass, self-righteous smug liberal Californian) to become leader of this country. They do not respect you or me or any liberal, which maybe you saw Tuesday night on Facebook and continue to see today.  

    They couldn't give a damn about you wanting to come together in mutual respect and try to solve the problems this country faces. Hell, if you looked reality in the face and saw what the Republicans in Congress did the night before Obama took office, you would know that already. They have no interest in solving problems or getting you to respect them. They look at your respect with contempt.  Maybe in another time this might be the right approach, but it's not the right approach now.

    Late flash: As a citizen of the Enlightened States of America, I wouldn't be prohibited from visiting New Orleans or the Blue Mountains or any of those other wonderful places in America you mentioned.  In fact, I would be very welcome there as a tourist, just as I am now. Just like I'm welcome in Mexico or Australia or pretty much any other place in the world.

    To make an issue of a humorous email going around social media to show that we really are an all-inclusive big tent kumbiya people is--sorry to judge your actions here--just lame.

  •  I have to go along (4+ / 0-)
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    with the them first. I live in the Alabama part of PA and the Republican people here are just plain nasty and not very bright. It seem that the first requirement to be a Republican is that you have to have no ability to read or comprehend facts. The second requirement is to take no responsibility for anything your party has ever done think the Bush years and what damage they did to America. Third just keep on doing the same thing over and over even if it never works, tax cuts for the rich come to mind. Fourth  care about no one but yourself, health care for all and they say no way! We did not start this divide in America they did and they need to come to the table hat in hand and act once again like decent responsible people and be willing to work with us. No more throwing a hiss fit when they don't get their own way 100%. Then and only then will America be able to heal it divide

  •  I think this is very old - 2004? (2+ / 0-)
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    It made more sense after a Democratic loss, anyway.

    After this election it just sounds mean.

  •  this was originally written (1+ / 0-)
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    after the loss to Bush, and has been modified.   See  

  •  Thank you for this, (0+ / 0-)

    I'm a Californian but attending college in Georgia. I was fairly insulted, and this is definitely not constructive.

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