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In upstate South Carolina, I would guess most people work with a bunch of angry white men.  In fact, I'm a 40-something white man, native of the upper midwest, who lives and works here in the upstate.  I work for a very large company that has a good-sized branch office here.  Anyway, the department I work in is about 20-strong, of which I'm probably the only one who voted for the winner on Tuesday.  

Our department is primarily white men, 55-65, most of whom have worked together for 20 years now.  A few younger ones, male and female, but they're of the same tilt politically.  I firmly believe I'm the only progressive. A few people in this department are especially loud and obnoxious about their politics.  I hear offensive "jokes", borderline racial rants, and more, every day, and it got worse as the election got closer. They were all way too overconfident on Tuesday, and had a pool going with how many EV Romney was going to end up with.  The lowest number selected was 290.  The loudest and most obnoxious of them said several times on Tuesday, regarding the president playing basketball in Chicago that day, "I hope someone goes Lee Harvey Oswald on him".

I knew how the election would turn out, and I was right.  I knew Wednesday would be a good day for me to be at work.  Needless to say, this place was a funeral home on Wednesday morning.  Lee Harvey Oswald made another appearance, Chris Matthews was threatened, and I could go on and on. And it's continued all week, and is going on as I type this this morning.  Doom and gloom, hearing such things as "I pulled all my money out of the stock market last week as I feared this would happen" and "I took my bumper stickers off my car yesterday because who knows what would happen to it around here after 'he' won".

I keep my mouth shut.  It would not be in my best interests to get into discussions with these clowns, as they might have some influence over whether or not I remain employed.  I work in a position where I do marketing work for the group, so I'm not "one of them" to begin with. And this is not a good region to be unemployed in, as far as being able to obtain a new job at a decent wage.  A co-worker out of state of the same political bent that I am, that I've told these tales to thinks I should talk to HR, but we have an ineffectual HR rep here in our office who most likely shares their beliefs.  She says no one even talks politics at their office. I could go to corporate HR, but I fear being exposed once this gets looked at.  As I said, I keep my mouth shut, so it wouldn't take a genius to figure out who might have complained.   We have an anonymous ethics hotline, but I don't know if a situation like this falls into that realm.

Anyone have any thoughts on how they would proceed?  I could continue to keep my mouth shut, as this will lessen over time, naturally.

Wow, as an aside, I just heard that "by the time he gets out of office, over 60% of this country will be totally on entitlements".

Back to the narrative.  Any ideas on whether or not I should say anything?  I just feel like something needs to be said or done, but not sure what, and don't want to jeopardize my position.  

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  •  wear headphones. it'll drive them nuts! (6+ / 0-)

    Community Organizer trumps Private Equity Manager

    by stagemom on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:32:57 AM PST

    •  I actually did this in a job where I was the only (1+ / 0-)
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      man in a room full of woman that YAKKED ALL DAY LONG. It did drive them nuts and they'd give me hateful glances but I have no idea, to this day, what they ever said about it. NOTE: I was later laid off from that job a few months later and I have no idea if the "headphones" thing did it but I don't think so - just including it here for the sake of completeness.

      Send conservatives to for re-education.

      by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:17:46 AM PST

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  •  HR won't help you (13+ / 0-)

    and I don't know whether you could trust them to maintain confidentiality.

    If you want to speak up you could engage your coworkers on specific issues, at appropriate times, but their fear and hate for Obama has been stoked so high that anything you say about the man, or how they talk about him, will likely result in hostility.

    The culture in that group is highly unlikely to change. If you can go elsewhere (even within the same company) it might be beneficial for your psyche to do so.

    Good luck.

    A definition is the enclosing of a wilderness of ideas within a wall of words -- Samuel Butler

    by A Mad Mad World on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:35:02 AM PST

  •  Perhaps a little faux pollyanna? (9+ / 0-)

    "Oh, I figure we'll get through this alright. I mean, we survived Nixon, right?"

    Pardon our dust. Sig line under renovation.

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:36:19 AM PST

    •  Excellent thought (8+ / 0-)

      I bit my tongue last week when discussing foreclosures with a good friend in my department (a quiet conservative who knows what my slant is), and one of the loudmouths.  The loudmouth said "well you can blame Barney Frank for all the foreclosures".  I was so close to saying, "and we can blame Nikki Haley for exposing all our social security numbers".  I'm keeping that one in hiding for now, but will break it out soon.

    •  Or say (1+ / 0-)
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      Crashing Vor

      "I think things are FAR worse than you're admitting, and Obama is almost the least of the problems".

      Then stop.

      If challenged say "the banks own him and everything else too . . . he just does what he's told" followed by "better not talked about where the walls can hear . . ." and leave 'em wondering.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:34:44 AM PST

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  •  You are in a textbook hostile working environment (3+ / 0-)
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    profundo, Chi, mamamorgaine

    It isn't sexual harassment but the symptoms are the same.

    The law is probably fuzzy here and your fear for your job is real.  But if you trust the anonymity of the ethics line, it's worth a try.

    Might also consider a tip to the FBI about your lee-harvey-oswald guy, while you're at it.

    •  No, it's not a hostile work environment but (0+ / 0-)

      it does feel that way I'm sure. Don't even mention "hostile work environment' or you may find yourself out on your ear in days. I do agree with tipping off the Secret Service over Mr. "I'll joke about killing the Pres all i want" guy.

      Send conservatives to for re-education.

      by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:29:19 AM PST

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  •  Go for the ethics hotline (1+ / 0-)
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    And if you are up for it, fire back.

    Leave an anonymous letter in the break room or some place stating how you feel.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:40:38 AM PST

  •  Just look at them and giggle uncontrollably. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Unfortunately, I think you are right in that there (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Oh Mary Oh, askyron

    is no good solution here.  Maybe you can find someone reasonable enough to agree that the topic is depressing everyone and work to get the group to avoid the subject.

    The good news is that the economy is getting better, and will continue to do so (with our competent president), so hopefully you can find a better job soon.

    Your request has bad syntax or is inherently impossible to satisfy. --httpd_err400form

    by Bob Novak Douchebag of Liberty on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:42:15 AM PST

  •  I resign works (0+ / 0-)

    Come back to the upper Midwest.

    •  It's on the table (2+ / 0-)
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      Oh Mary Oh, Chi

      It's been discussed, several mitigating factors that would go into that decision.

      •  Don't do it don't discuss it or you (0+ / 0-)

        will discover they will eliminate your job or force you out one way or the other before you are ready. Always have another job lined up or even start working before you resign. In fact, just don't show up on day when you start at the new job. It all depends on how you want to play it and if you value their spot on your resume. I have jobs in my past I just don't list - worked for myself during those periods, thank you, or I was helping a friend/family member at the time. Take it from me, if you imply you want to resign you will end up not having a choice in a short time. I've you've already said something like that to your boss, dept. manager, or higher up LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB NOW - YOU ARE ON BORROWED TIME.

        Send conservatives to for re-education.

        by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:27:19 AM PST

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    •  Birds of a feather flock together. (0+ / 0-)

      It's my sense that the antagonists are grouping in the South because that's where they fit in. Many of their ilk in Florida, for example, are actually retirees from the mid-West whose white flight has taken them to warmer climes, mostly on the West coast of the peninsula (the east coast is mostly a stream from New England looking for milder climes).
      People born in the South, who couldn't take the negativity and antagonism, left and moved north or west. That's true of blacks and whites, by the way. Blacks in the south are a tough breed, who will not be moved.

      What percentage of the population is endemically antagonistic? I'd say it's about 25-30%.  That's the current Republican base. That they get more to vote for the party is largely in response to the sense that "everybody deserves a turn and to be represented." Besides that, the agenda sounds reasonable, until one realizes that the proponents are without talent and incompetent to accomplish anything at all. Which actually serves them well because you want crazy ideas to fail.

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:08:02 AM PST

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  •  I'm in a similar place (4+ / 0-)

    ...and I simply keep my mouth closed around the office, but open up both barrels against the idiocy online.  It keeps me sane.

    I resisted the urge to gloat around work--gave in only to the extent of going to the most partisan (and least informed, naturally) of the bunch early Wednesday and saying "Hey--guess how many political commercials I heard on the radio this morning?  NONE!!!@!!"

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:42:33 AM PST

  •  I'm in a similar environment, except.... (6+ / 0-)

    I'm in more of a supervisory role overseeing a bubble dwelling crew of rightwingers, so they know they can't say too much to me, at least to my face.
    They are truly a sad lot who I feel kinda sorry for. On tuesday afternoon I overheard them talking about how they could hardly wait to see Rachel Maddow's face when Obama lost, etc....I almost wanted to interrupt them and tell them look, your boy is gonna lose. He's behind in every reputable poll, and Nate Silver has BO as a prohibative favorite, but sometimes you just have to let people figure things out the hard way. Me and my reality based thinking. Tsk, tsk.

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:44:10 AM PST

  •  I can't imagine how hard that (3+ / 0-)
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    is to deal with every day. I'm fortunate enough to work from home, and only have to deal with an occasional snide comment  on a conference call, where awkward silence usually ensues making clear that the speaker should have said nothing.

    But, I have been in similar social situations and my go to reaction is snark laced in truth. Things like, isn't it great that we live in a country where people get to express their opinions freely? Or wow, that took a lot of coordination to get all those people to vote differently from you. etc.

    I'd like to think going to HR would do something but doubtful. Don't know if this is something you feel you want to bring to your local EEOC.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:44:46 AM PST

    •  My boss is a 3rd generation 1% er - and (4+ / 0-)

      a DEM. He became increasingly frustrated with PBO over the "fat cat" remarks, and his supposed stance on Israel. I was able to dig up some Israeli newspaper articles with commentary from people he respects there, and it turned him around. As the months of the campaign went by, (EVERYone in my office knows where I stand.) more and more people who had kept quiet revealed themselves to be Dems. Wed. was a good day for us. But we didn't gloat.

      Funny story, I work in operations for a HUGE service industry company that started as a family business. I frequently get calls from the front desk from people complaining about one thing or other. I was helping a woman from Canada yesterday, and resolved her issue. At the end of the call she said, "Oh, and congratulations on your election. We were all holding our breath, hoping that your Pres. Obama would be reelected."  The world is relieved.

      America is a COUNTRY, not a CORPORATION. She doesn't need a CEO. Vote Obama.

      by manneckdesign on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:04:28 AM PST

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      •  Overseas (1+ / 0-)
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        My daughter has been overseas for 6 years, grad school on scholarship and working for the UN HCR, now in South America. Here's her comment Wednesday:

        Anyways, we can now breathe a sigh of relief and go back to living our lives. I'm happy I'm not stuck as another american abroad under an (internationally unpopular) republican government. Been there, done that...

        Without geometry, life is pointless. And blues harmonica players suck.

        by blindcynic on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:16:11 AM PST

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  •  Over time (3+ / 0-)
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    Miniaussiefan, Oh Mary Oh, JayRaye

    the reality of a second-term African-American president will cause them one-by-one to suffer from exploding head syndrome.  Offer what comfort and aid you can until the paramedics arrive.

    Public policy based upon superstition is never a good idea.

    by gerard w on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:45:18 AM PST

  •  You can certainly ask that people stop (2+ / 0-)
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    Deep Texan, nzanne

    talking politics in the office so much. People are not as big of assholes as you might think.

    “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty

    by jeff in nyc on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:46:30 AM PST

  •  Stay quiet and hunker down and laugh (8+ / 0-)

    in the closet. Complain about them and you will be fired for some reason, even bogus "downsizing". Take it from me, I've been there. Think seriously about moving if it bothers you but don't complain or I guarantee you will eventually find yourself out.

    Send conservatives to for re-education.

    by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:47:24 AM PST

  •  that's rough... (4+ / 0-)

    ...i've been really lucky that the vast majority of my coworkers over the years have been liberals and i'm really thankful for that.

    i say the best thing is to stay out of it all and do your job well, but if you are ever brought into the conversation ask them:

    What specifically has Obama done that has so negatively affected your life that you hate him so much?

    I've had some luck with that, including with my brother...when they can't explain their rage, they sometimes have a quiet moment of reflection and realize they are being overly dramatic.

    "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

    by humanistique on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:47:27 AM PST

  •  Light sarcasm which puns their ironic stances (4+ / 0-)

    To help keep your inner self satisfied that you are not compromising your core values, but are instead being a good neighbor to silly, angry, selfish and ignorant people.

    Talk more to common issues and don't respond to baiting or inflammatory attitudes directly, whenever possible.

    Always have an excuse to minimize socializing outside of the core job.  Base it on responsibility for your own job, your private/home life dependencies and/or a (real, but perhaps slightly exaggerated) healthy issue or two (e.g., one which is triggered by stress - maybe they will think you are stressing due to holding their same perspectives, when it would actually be due to their expressing these perspectives at all).

    If that doesn't help to cope, a job search may be a spiritually healthy, off-work-time, endeavour.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:49:34 AM PST

  •  use scripture (5+ / 0-)

    sermon on the temple mount.   eye of a needle etc.

    usually shuts them up.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 06:52:33 AM PST

  •  Sounds unfortunate (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh, roxors

    Must be stressful for you. I am curious if there is someway to cover yourself legally if you did go up the chain to complain and you were fired because of it. With documentation you perhaps could sue, or recieve a settlement. I would learn how to best document things.

    Then again it is quite likely you may not have a case, and for the simple reason of keeping a job you will just have to suck it up. You could try meditation or things that help you cope. Maybe take a Tibetan Buddhist approach, where you welcome the trials as they can help you open in compassion that much more, as do monks and nuns tortured by the Chinese. Maybe find a way to laugh about it, just let it roll off. After all it is all about them, and has nothing to do with you. They are all loving the role they play in their bubble of pathetic victim, and they are anger junkies, a nasty high akin to emotional glue sniffing.

    If you ever do engage them politically, one strategy is to pretend to be one of them, and slip in little things that are contrary, or make them think.

    They are narcisitics, so I might suggest getting a good book or two on how to deal with these personality types, or googling it, as there are some good resources out there.

    Your situation sucks, but remember you are on the right side of history, and they are ignorant and wrong. So take solace, don't let the buggers get you down, you are not alone.

  •  Most of the places where my husband and I have (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh, efrenzy

    worked, discussing anything political on the job is frowned upon and in some cases, severely discouraged. There are workplaces that strictly forbid talking politics or controversial issues on the clock and then the talk does take place in the break room. So on those days one can always eat lunch elsewhere, my hubby will even eat his lunch in the car with his favorite music playing and relax.

    Try to avoid eating lunch with these employees if possible or spending much time on coffee breaks with them or socializing outside of work in any way if that is a viable option.

    I guess these days, unlike 20 or 30 years ago, employee are allowed to talk politics and discuss issues not related to their jobs and discuss personal stuff on the job. That never used to be the case at all.   Maybe employers were stricter then about not talking poltiics, religion, personal stuff on the job. ?

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    by wishingwell on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:01:48 AM PST

    •  I would guess that if the powers that be (3+ / 0-)
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      Chi, nzanne, efrenzy

      knew how much of this was going on, they would not be happy.  It's interfering with these clowns getting any work done.  And like I said, a co-worker in Atlanta (not altogether a lot different than where I live) said that this discussion doesn't go on there.  

      Our corporate HQ is a long way from here, so unless they are somehow notified, there's no way they'd know this is going on.

      •  Maybe that's your 'excuse' then. (1+ / 0-)
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        Document how much time is spent on these discussions, rather than the discussions themselves. Then ask either your coworkers or your HR or your corporate HQ to encourage workers to get back to work.

        I would think that you could hide behind the legitimacy of that request / concern, and not let your political spin be as known.

        "I can't do it by myself. No president can. Remember: Change doesn't happen from the top. It happens because of you." B Obama, 2008

        by nzanne on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:29:29 AM PST

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  •  Stuff it (2+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh, filthyLiberalDOTcom

    Continue to use your good sense and stuff your political leanings. HR WILL NOT HELP - I can say this as a 25 year HR veteran.

    If you did get yourself in a genuine dialogue with 1 person (NO groups!!!!), you might ask some questions - "Do you really believe that? What makes you believe that - what are you basing your conclusion on?"

    Good luck

    •  I agree. You will never see (0+ / 0-)

      any profit or good will or an outcome you desire if you take this to HR. In fact you'll likely be flagged as "the odd one" and they will find a way to show you  the door, eventually.

      Send conservatives to for re-education.

      by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:19:32 AM PST

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  •  Another Upstater here... (3+ / 0-)
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    roxors, Chi, TracieLynn

    ...hugs to you, Roxors.

    Fortunately, I retired in 2007 from teaching at Clemson, so I never dealt with the kind of pressure you're under at your job. My husband did, though -- years ago when Mr. Miniaussiefan left teaching and worked for a while as a technical writer for a small local company (3 or 4 employees), he had to listen to incessant RW talk all day: from the owner.

    I always wonder how it is that "they" feel so free to force their opinions on "us" (whether political or religious) but get all snarly when we respond. At least in writing your diary and reading the responses, you enjoyed a few minutes of quality time among folks who think like you.
    As an aside, my husband just read me the raw figures from our precinct, Mountain View Baptist Church: 504 Romney-Ryan, 93 Obama-Biden. Don't know whether our absentee ballots are included in that figure.But hey, I didn't know we had as many as 94 Dems in our area. ;)

    Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

    by Miniaussiefan on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:05:12 AM PST

    •  Mountain View Baptist? (1+ / 0-)
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      In Boiling Springs?  Used to vote at that precinct.  I know there's another Mountain View off I-85 towards Gaffney.

      Our precinct in Spartanburg was 535-196 Romney.

      You're right, just writing this diary did help somewhat...thanks!

  •  If you can do it without giggling... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...become worse than they are, say things like "you see we should have stuck with Santorum" [or Newt or Perry], "the GOP is rotten to the core", "I'll never vote for one of those [expletive] Republicans again".

    (You can find a lot of ideas on Free Republic.)

    Try to make then despise the GOP *from the right* -- drive them away from politics, encourage them to join a militia. The more you marginalize them, the more impotent they'll become.

    If anyone tries to be the "voice of reason", hint they're effeminate or communists. That should do it.


    by Lupin on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:05:31 AM PST

  •  OK Here's the way I"m thinking about your situa (0+ / 0-)

    tion.  First of all you have a job.  That's basic.  You do seem to have a friend who knows where you stand even if he/she is quiet.  I think Quiet is crucial here.  Because it seems to me that you are confronting some dangerous responses.  Going all Lee Harvey Oswald? etc.  I wonder if there's a way to remind them that that's a response that would destroy the country and certainly the Republican party if such an action would be attributed to them.  If this is the sort of thing people are saying and they seem to mean it, maybe the call isn't to your in house hotline but to the Secret Service.  I take threats like that seriously.

    WE must hang together or we will all hang separately. B.Franklin

    by ruthhmiller on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:06:54 AM PST

  •  Insufficient information (1+ / 0-)
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    For the sake of "the cause", please remember that Obama lost South Carolina 55-44.  If we could move two out of every 20 coworkers like yours to the Dems or four of them to the fence, South Carolina becomes a swing state.  Any more and South Carolina turns blue.

    First, build your social capital.  In my part of the world, that means bringing food to work and seeking ways to make the office a happier place.  This also means "manning the barricades" if your office is involved in companywide politics and your office's case is less immoral than that of the outsider.

    Second, establish how much they enjoy and relish political combat.  If they enjoy it, you do your conscience and Party no favors by staying silent.  Here are two examples.  I just got into a real argument with a co-worker yesterday, and I hit some button that set her off.  After I found that her position was the one closer to established fact (our argument was on methods, not policies), I went up to her, conceded the point and apologized -- she told me that she actually enjoyed such exchanges!  With my family, the Democrats thought that it was politic to stay quiet as my uncle would rant.  One year the Democrats finally broke silence and we had a good one over the turkey -- when my mother tried to break it up my Republican uncle stated that he was enjoying himself.  

    (If they prefer the steamroller approach, this may not work and being outnumbered 20-1 does not help.)

    Third, learn and adopt such social mores from your surroundings that do not violate your conscience, and practice them in a low-key way.  If you must become part of the "other" or "one of them", make sure that it is for good reason and not for something stupid like violating the door-opening code or neglecting to call your elders "sir" or "ma'am".

    "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

    by Yamaneko2 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:10:48 AM PST

    •  Of course, this does not excuse lawbreaking. (0+ / 0-)

      There may come times when your conscience demands something that may make you lose your job.  If you have a God, turn to Him or Her for support.  If you have a family, do the same.  By all means keep us informed here at Daily Kos.

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:12:11 AM PST

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  •  My husband works in a Auto Body shop (0+ / 0-)

    They continuously blare talk radio starting with
    Glen Beck, Rush ect
    He wears ear phones sometime and just laughs especially at Beck's stuff
    funny thing is he really likes these guys and they are good at their job

  •  Don't go to HR. (0+ / 0-)

    Whatever hope there is of changing people's minds would be blown by trying to get the boss to take away their free speech. Patient, mild persuasion can sometimes win some people over, especially if there are any grounds for some personal bonding. I saw that, e.g., with a prison secretary who started off saying she didn't think much of those "you know, foreign, countries" and a few months later resigned from the prison system because she didn't believe it was just.

    Michael Weissman UID 197542

    by docmidwest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 07:19:50 AM PST

  •  Been there, done that, you are just screwed. (2+ / 0-)

    I am sorry about your situation, but there is just not much you can do. In the environment you describe, there is no upside other than getting it off your chest. Talking is almost always completely pointless unless your desire is to piss them off and generally make you much less wanted as a co-worker. You will, in essence, become a trouble maker not because of what you say or how you say it, but because of how others will react to it. And unless you are God's gift to whatever position you are in you will most likely have sealed your fate. You might not get fired, but some people will treat you differently, you will likely have fewer opportunities, and if you go to change jobs there may be hesitancy or whispers when others are asked about you.

  •  You are probably not the only one in the office (0+ / 0-)

    Damn, I found out a lot of people were anti-war after the war in Iraq was officially declared unpopular...

    Many people just go with the flow, there are probably just a few loudmouths intimidating the rest into going along.    Not sure what you can do about it other than turn the conversation to work-related items.   After all, we would want to be "time thiefs" (Wallmart term) after all...

  •  Say something!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Document everything. Document everything they are saying. Document what you are saying to HR and what they say to you. Document all the vile and disgusting things they are saying and how it made you feel uncomfortable to work in such a hostile environment. If you get fired.... SUE their mf asses!!

  •  I know it must be horrible (0+ / 0-)

    On a side note, be careful posting here or anywhere else during work hours.   I know a lot of companies that are tracking their workers pc usage and you might have to worry about getting let go not on the grounds of your political beliefs but on the grounds of using work computers or time for personal posting..  

  •  I have the same work environment (1+ / 0-)
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    I have found a couple of like minded people. We gloated quietly off in a corner on Wednesday. I find it helps my mental state to surreptitiously switch the TV in the break room from Fox to MSNBC whenever I get the chance.

  •  Reason doesn't play into this, even though that's (0+ / 0-)

    our calling card.  They have lost their minds over this President; even moreso than other Dems winning in the past.  I know.  I live in Georgia.  It's not just that he's a  Democrat, it's also because he's black.  Racism runs deep - it's almost primal.  My best suggestion to you is to keep quiet, if you can.  Chances are the people in HR feel the same as the other big mouths.  You don't want to lose your job when you don't have to.  It will calm down a little, but the hate and divisiveness has been stoked mightily by r/w radio and tv.  You can't even talk to them.  I live with my sister and her boyfriend right now, and they're extreme righwingers.  He didn't talk to me for 2 days after Obama won, stomping around the house, screaming at my sister, and then started arguing with me about how "we" are paying for women's birth control thanks to Obama.  This from a guy who hasn't worked in years.  It's surreal.  My boss, a well-educated attorney, spouts off rightwing talking points.  I just shake my head.  How can someone so intelligent be duped so easily?  They've been lied to for so long, and their basic deep down hate stoked to boil-over,  that they're reality is different than ours.  There's nothing that can argue against it.  This is what the Republicans have done to us over the last several decades, on purpose.  But to what end?

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:00:40 AM PST

  •  Sit back and watch them run out of arguments (0+ / 0-)

    The economy is going to continue to improve, the debt will fall, peace and prosperity will return, and everybody will love having better healthcare.

  •  Walks around the parking lot help (0+ / 0-)

    seriously.  Every time they start in on bs, take a constitutional.  After a while, you'll find you're in great shape, too.

    You have to turn their negatives into a positive for you, in order to survive.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:19:35 AM PST

  •  Tell Mr. Lee Harvey Oswald, in a friendly way (1+ / 0-)
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    Tam in CA

    that he might want to tone down the assassination talk, because Obama and the Secret Service are sending the black helicopters after people who say things like that.

    Tell him you read about it on Free

  •  Had a friend who was a shop steward (1+ / 0-)
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    in a machine shop in Corpus Christi, yes! there are some union shops, even in Corpus!

    Nevertheless, lots of Republicans.

    Whenever they started their Republican bullshit, he would just laugh at them and say, "you're not rich enuf to be a Republican!" That usually shut them up.

    It helped that he was well liked and a great shop steward for them.

    Spent 7 years in a union with a ratio of men to women: 1000/1! (IUOE Local 49) The guys made comments like this, often, "The broads and the niggers are taking over!" And that remark because there was one woman (me) and one black man on a job with at least 60 white men. I remember I said,

    "Well maybe we need someone else to run this world, you white men sure have made a mess out of it."

    That pretty much shut them up, at least for awhile.

    WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Voting Rights Martyrs

    by JayRaye on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 08:54:10 AM PST

  •  I'm not in that exact situation (0+ / 0-)

    Our company is a combination of good old tech boys and international tech boys. Some good old boys do like to talk tough RW, but not so many.

    One person kept talking RW, thinking that I sympathized (I had a cartoon on my door contrasting the Denver SF Worldcon with the Democratic convention a few short weeks later). I told him that my politics were diametrically opposed to his, but we need to focus on getting this work done. Now how should we approach this work problem?

    Every time I worked with him, I focussed only on work. I did not let him get into politics with me - I told him that at this point we do not agree politically, but we have a work project to finish and need to focus on that.

    It helped greatly - and he left after a few months (he was a jerk to everyone... and you don't piss off your supervisor that often). After I told him that my politics were opposed to his, it spread through the office. Since I didn't elaborate or participate in political talk (except for a few trusted coworkers), I was left alone.

    Interestingly, we had a bit of a situation when folks from China (first time travelling out of China) came to us for training. I made a point of trying to explain the culture, and tried to keep an eye out for things that might have caused problems (tipping - did you realize that McDonald's receipts sometime have a tipping section? That caused some confusion and some fun explanations!) The RWingers in the office tried to blow hard, but since the Chinese were honestly puzzled about how they could talk like that in public without problems, it fizzled out.

    Good luck. Focussing on work could drop the tension level, and maybe get your office back up to productivity (I wonder how far that's fallen). Since you're not part of the group (I know what you mean - you're connected by a tenuous dotted line), it won't be seen as strange or too-offputting coming from you.

  •  Just smile. (0+ / 0-)

    If the LHO comments keep up, I believe I'd call the FBI though.
    You could have them say you are an outside person who overheard comment during visit on business to office.

    I've worked places where HR was worthless on things like this. Going to them with anything about a favored employee just got a negative note in my jacket. And put a big bullseye on my back for subsequent "need to fire somebody to protect favored employee, but who?" situation.

    Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

    by emmasnacker on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 12:02:29 PM PST

  •  You could drop a hint (0+ / 0-)

    that you're being tapped to serve on the regional death panel in upstate SC, and when they press you for more info, get nervous and fidgety, and say "I've already said too much."

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 05:47:08 PM PST

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