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It had been predicted and now it is starting.

While the Democrats have a nation to govern and messes to clean up, the Republicans are busy assigning blame.

Exhibit 1) http://www.redstate.com/...

This is hilarious since it is time to blame those other guys over there in their coalition.

My friends, this is serious stuff here. There are contracts at Fox to negotiate, columns to defend, and SuperPACS to keep open.

Just remember, you need to make sure you have sufficient stocks of popcorn for this. You would hate to run out as they throw each other under the bus. I understand the Romney campaign won't be using theirs anymore.

Yet another bit of self flagellation on the right http://www.redstate.com/...

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

    by Dave from Oregon on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 10:57:11 AM PST

  •  I'd love it if this resulted in a return to sanity (4+ / 0-)
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    homo neurotic, avsp, JTinDC, luckylizard

    But I am skeptical of that happening through any process within the next 4 years.

    Never attribute to malice what is owed to ignorance or honest disagreement.

    by ConfusedSkyes on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:04:00 AM PST

    •  I was hoping... (4+ / 0-)
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      avsp, SBandini, JTinDC, luckylizard

      that once the shock of the loss wore off, that they would start to come back to reality..

      I suppose there are some that would want to try again with someone like Santorum.  If that faction wins out, then we are virtually guaranteed the White House in 2016.

    •  "Return" to sanity? (3+ / 0-)
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      JTinDC, Gooserock, dewtx

      When was there ever sanity to return to?

      And I'm not limiting that question strictly to the Republican demographic on the planet Earth.

      I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson

      by nilajean on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:19:47 AM PST

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      •  This'll Answer Your Question: Nixon. (3+ / 0-)

        If you can set aside negotiating with the enemy in order to win election, turning the government against his individual and institutional political enemies, and criminally working to steal a re-election, Nixon would be a centrist maybe liberal Dem today.

        That's about as close as they came to sanity since television hit the market.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:51:40 AM PST

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        •  Tired of the snark... (0+ / 0-)

          Why do you and others seem to have no idea about political shifts? I thought this was a reality based community. Obama's reelection should make it easier to turn the political  shift back to the left. Even then if Obama's coalition doesn't vote in off elections like in 2010, that opportunity will pass because those voters would not have his back.

    •  Not a chance for sanity. (2+ / 0-)
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      tardis10, buckstop

      Social, foreign, and economic policies are all non-reality based. It may take several more years, maybe a decade, but they are dying.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:49:48 AM PST

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    •  And I hope for just the opposite (1+ / 0-)
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      buckstop

      The "be even more social conservative" meme working through Republican circles now ultimately (IMHO) strengthens the Democratic party.

      Read through some of the comments to EE's article. There are no apologies for Aiken or Mourdock but there is talk of being "subtle" in their approach.

      This sane wing of the (R) Party has been hijacked. And to me, that bodes well for our future as Democrats. I think this election has demonstrated that point exactly.

      Now is the time. GOTV. c

      by c on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:51:16 AM PST

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  •  Wow. Now I'm agreeing with (8+ / 0-)

    Erik Erickson? Bipartisany.

    If you really need to think through this, consider MItt Romney. He is perhaps the shiftiest person to ever run for President of the United States. ----- Erik Erickson,11/09/2012 http://www.redstate.com/...

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:08:04 AM PST

  •  I think the social conservative, fiscal (10+ / 0-)

    conservatives, and foreign policy conservatives should all purge each other and form three separate pure parties!

    Can't they see the tremendous harm each of these factions is causing the others?  

    And, Mitt Romney threw all three factions under the bus, after winning the nomination, adopting President Obama's entire foreign policy, and even agreeing that anyone who didn't agree to exceptions for the rape, incest, or the life of the mother is an extremist nut.

    We should send them pigment color wheels which show if you mix all the pure colors up in the same blob, you get a shit brown mess.

    The Republicans need to purge everyone and start over with three or four pure parties if they want to get anywhere.

    I only say this in the most helpful way because we Democrats need a healthy Republican Party to make our system work.

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:09:54 AM PST

  •  Is it just me? (1+ / 0-)
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    tardis10

    I am having a difficult time following EE's logic and 8th-grade sentence construction.

    Get rid of social conservatives...

    It is time to throw the social conservatives out of the GOP. Look at what they got us — Barack Obama. It was the social conservatives who did it. They insisted the GOP support real marriage and children. To hell with that.
    Don't get rid of social conservatives...
    A sizable portion of those black and hispanic voters voted GOP despite disagreeing with the GOP on fiscal issues. But they are strongly social conservative and could not vote for the party of killing kids and gay marriage. So they voted GOP.

    You throw out the social conservatives and you throw out those hispanic and black voters.

    Oh. OHHH! Sheesh. [facepalm] The title was SNARK!

    So it's back to business as usual... flail the RINO's!

    PleasePleasePleasePleasePlease

    Now is the time. GOTV. c

    by c on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:38:09 AM PST

  •  Alrighty then. They're fucked. (5+ / 0-)

    F-U-C-K-E-D fucked. I read the whole thing. He's right, they can't afford to lose social conservatives. He's wrong that hard line social conservatives can be percieved as non-fringe. And of course they're all as clueless as ever that social issues are only part of the problem.

    God bless 'em, they cannot come to and end soon enough.

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:45:06 AM PST

    •  The comments are quite enlightening. (3+ / 0-)
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      JTinDC, c, luckylizard

      I especially enjoy the ones that think they just need to market their movement regressive policies better so that women will vote for Mourdocks in the future without understanding what they are voting for...or something like that.  

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:52:33 AM PST

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      •  The whole Mourdock/Akin thing was so stupid. (2+ / 0-)
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        tardis10, luckylizard

        It's in their damn platform. We didn't need those asshats to get our message across on the abortion issue, but it sure did make it easier. As long as that plank remains, and it will remain for as long as the Party exists, we'll be able to keep flogging them on the issue. Their official stance is extreme. Period.

        If I'm not mistaken this is the first time Dems have campaigned this boldly on the issue. It paid off and will continue to pay off. There just ain't no way to put lipstick on that pig.

        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 12:16:23 PM PST

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        •  Exactly right.I can't see a way out (1+ / 0-)
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          JTinDC

          of this for them. That whole personhood thing,if properly addressed by Dems,should make the GOP just a regional party. Which means the Democratic Party becomes what?

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 12:23:18 PM PST

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          •  If that happens? (1+ / 0-)
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            tardis10

            2 parties most likely.  The sane Republicans merge with the Blue Dogs to become the new conservative party, and the liberal Democrats form a new coalition with the Greens.

            Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

            by EthrDemon on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:06:32 PM PST

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            •  That leaves 3 parties,non? (0+ / 0-)

              Southern Rite, Grand Old Dems (aka,GOD just to add confusion) and the Libreens.

              "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

              by tardis10 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:21:19 PM PST

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              •  Not exactly (0+ / 0-)

                There would be many more, just like there are now.  But only 2 get to matter at a time.  If one breaks down, a new one will grab some chunk of their coalition and try to build off of it in a different direction.  Alternatively, the Libertarian or Constitution party could ascend to become the major conservative one.

                Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

                by EthrDemon on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:43:11 PM PST

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                •  Why would only two matter at a time? (0+ / 0-)

                  Seems to me any of those 3 (if they existed) could seat enough Senators and Reps. to be a force in Congress.  

                  "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

                  by tardis10 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 02:03:07 PM PST

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                  •  "First past the post" (1+ / 0-)
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                    tardis10

                    Our electoral system means no 3rd party can really exist.  To be a player you have to destroy or co-opt one of the legacy parties.

                    Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

                    by EthrDemon on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 03:23:22 PM PST

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                    •  Ssssh! Don't tell Bernie Sanders. (0+ / 0-)

                      In all seriousness,this convo was predicated on the idea that the current GOP splits.Which,if it actually transpired,would change the whole ball of wax. Which is,of course,why the status quo-sters aren't going to allow it.

                      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

                      by tardis10 on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 04:32:59 PM PST

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          •  The only sane choice, (1+ / 0-)
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            tardis10

            We now have and will keep the edge on social issues.

            What remains to be done is to end once and for all the ridiculous, misguided idea that the GOP is better on the economy. They are not and there are decades and decades of evidence to prove it. Once we win that arguement, stick a fork in them cuz they are done.

            Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

            by JTinDC on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:21:13 PM PST

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  •  Wow -- that column (1+ / 0-)
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    c

    and the responses really point out the bind they are in.

    But this is not the party that's good at deliberating; the new GOP will have a smarter plan in an ever-more desperate situation:

    They will try to repackage their crap without much of a change in substance in most areas.  The new litmus test will be "can you dogwhistle abortion?"  They will look for Latino candidates (or ones who can speak Spanish, at least).   The Corporate wing will not just abandon ship: they will just coalesce earlier around whoever they think is the anti-Romney and spend, spend, spend to copy Obama's org.  They will continue blocking most of Obama's agenda from the House, and they will double-down of vote suppression.

    The small gov mantra, misguided thought is in so many ways, is a fairly effective tool, and one for which they don't really need evidence to trump.

    Get the popcorn, but be ready for the next wave of Orcs.  They might have won this time if they had a halfway decent candidate.

    •  How do you figure? (0+ / 0-)
      They might have won this time if they had a halfway decent candidate.
      EE is arguing that the (R) candidate should have embraced even more social & fiscal conservatism.

      Yet exit polls show those ideals as negatives, i.e. making Obama's win even greater.

      If by "decent" you mean an (R) candidate that embraces fiscal conservatism rather than social, then by EE's statements (which I agree with), the tea party wing of the Republican party would have abandoned the candidate.

      Now is the time. GOTV. c

      by c on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 11:59:17 AM PST

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  •  Face It, Erick (0+ / 0-)

    You're just going to have to decide which foot to shoot yourself in.  There's no escaping it.

    Buh-bye Evangelicals.

    Or, buh-bye gun nuts.

    Or, buh-bye zygote worshippers.

    Or, buh-bye vagina haters;

    Or, LGBT bashers;

    Whooo! -- I'm out of breath.

     

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    by Limelite on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 12:16:11 PM PST

  •  I couldn't vote in your poll (0+ / 0-)

    I think it will make for some colorful blogging, but when an election comes, they will fall in line. Just like when they nominated Romney. The conservative base HATED him, but they voted for him, and today they are weeping that he didn't win.

    I am progressive. I am liberal. I make no apologies. - Kos

    My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

    by pucklady on Fri Nov 09, 2012 at 01:04:29 PM PST

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