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We celebrated when Romney lost, but the USA dodged a bullet. He decided on a project to digitize voter lists for poll watchers to check off who had voted. Republicans who hadn't shown up would be called and encouraged. All would be automatically run from Central headquarters in Boston, bypassing the locals.

 The Unmitigated Disaster Known As Project ORCA by an ordinary GOP volunteer says, "From the very start there were warning signs. Working primarily as a web developer, I had some serious questions. Things like 'Has this been stress tested?', 'Is there redundancy in place?'" Then he describes how Mitt was not just a RINO- but the secret agent from Massachusetts who hired a bunch of clowns(thieves?).

I missed the scoop on this story, but my point is not the damage Romney did to himself, but the harm he inflicted on the GOP. Democrats got elected and die hard Republicans vowed never to volunteer again- all thanks to Mitt.

Orca was designed to work on cellphones, laptops and tablets, but it was untested on Election Day. And it crashed. And kept crashing.

30,000 volunteers rose early to get to the polls. Not part of their instructions was that they needed a 'poll watcher certificate' only available from the local headquarters. Hours later, when they were allowed into the polls, they tried logging onto the web app- "Access Denied". Called up the big Boston headquarters and couldn't get through. Finally, contact established, legitimate password obtained, they logged on and started.

But, it wasn't easy for a single person to handle a thousand names with a lousy interface. One school had different precincts in two buildings, but only one person assigned. Then the machine crashed. Call Boston again- they tell us that only N. Carolina has crashed. Meanwhile the help desk people in a different pods are being told that only Ohio, or only Florida, or only Pennsylvania are down.

The 600 comments tell a tale of frustration and anger. This GOP official explains how ORCA's destruction badly affected down ticket races.

567 I am the Chairman for my County Republican Committee, and Vice Chair of our Congressional District Committee. Alarm bells were ringing like mad for me since September. We went the whole month of September with no signs or collateral for all of southeastern Virginia. I begged and begged RPV for a "hard R list" for our congressional candidate to work from, but no "voter vault" or list was provided. Try running a congressional campaign with no voter data. Finally got a small wierd list from RPV. Most of my committee was not even on it. After many days of questioning I found out the list was people who had volunteered on Romney's web page. The Congressional campaign tried using this list to get voluteers and GOTV, but got many hangups and "why are you calling me, I'm a democrat!" I begged RPV for the usual list of registered voters sorted by precinct, but was told all of that was coming from Romney. It never did. We are used to assigning our volunteers to work inside and outside polls ourselves. With ORCA, we had no idea who would be where, or if the polls were covered or not. None of the trainingon the calls was state specific. We set up our own training, not knowing who the volunteers would be!I was finally able to find out Saturday before the election who had been assigned where. Half of my polls were not covered. I contacted the volunteers who had been assigned to polls and got them to forward their pdf packets to me for printing. That is the only way I was able to get a copy of the voter rolls. I begged for the unassigned precincts to be assigned to me so that I could at least have the voter rollls. (we have house of delegates elections next year and I need those damn lists!!!!) I was informed that the campaign had moved beyond assigning polls. After more begging someone from the campaign sent me a complete list, but after opening it, the list was just census data for every resident of the county. All ov my volunteers had problems with the "app". My opinion? A total attempt to bypass and alienate the existing party structure. They were going to show us how its done. How did that work out for you, a$$holes?
Let Redstate have the final word.

 

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  •  I ran into this Orca project story also and (10+ / 0-)

    was amazed at how inept it sounded like it was handled. Upset folks in RW land over it too!

    .....it's on the table, under the watermelon she demurred. Thanks, I was planning on shaving anyway he replied.

    by pdx kirk on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 01:27:26 AM PST

  •  Ha! (7+ / 0-)

    I see your Orca and raise you "the cave". The Obama secret weapon. Now that is how data analysis is done at a strategic level.

    http://swampland.time.com/...

    This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

    by ankae on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 01:37:44 AM PST

  •  Whole Romney campaign was a grifter's ball (17+ / 0-)

    ORCA had a huge budget, apparently none of which was spent on engineers. I'm sure the consultants (Zac Moffatt) did well.

    The Pacs tore through enormous sums.  All those inflated price television ad buys come with a 15% 'handling' fee which Rove hoovered up.

    As soon as Romney conceded, thriftiness triumphed. The staffers, who had been living out of a suitcase for weeks or months, sadly departed into taxis. When they offered their Romney credit cards- rejected. They had been cut off and stuck with the cab fare.

    Conservation is green energy

    by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 02:35:10 AM PST

  •  I read somewhere (12+ / 0-)

    that the Romney campaign didn't trust or want to work with the Republican machine. That explains why the whole campaign was so inept, with such muddled messages.

    Seems like Romney's hubris to think that he and his pals know how to mount a successful national campaign for such a high office -- just make it up as you go along.

    I honestly thought that Romney and party leaders were cynically duping supporters in the final days before election day, putting out the message that they were going to win. Their shock on losing just shows how out of touch with reality they were. Imagine if they had won, what a disaster their stewardship of America would have been.

  •  I forget which show it was on MSNBC had on (14+ / 0-)

    a couple of journalists who had been covering the campaigns. One of them saw that the Obama team had Voter buses at colleges where they drove the students to cast their early voting and made a big festive occasion out of it - a VERY successful voter program. When he asked the Republicans if they had any similar type of program to capture Romney college voters, the campaign person replied "The juice isn't worth the squeeze" - i.e. not worth the effort.

    Which leads me to believe that the younger voters were part of the 47% whose vote Romney announced earlier he wasn't even going to try to get.  Notice too, they have to respond to the reporter in that stupid insider jargon about juice and squeeze which just shows how insular and smug and above it all they were.

    Romney's non-use of the Republican machine also means it rusted from disuse and will need many new parts and a complete overhaul for the next elections - Bwahahaaha!

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 03:32:26 AM PST

    •  yea i saw this also (7+ / 0-)

      they also identified and wrote down the contact information of the people they bused to vote, asking them if they would volunteer, pretty smart

      A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people ... restore their government to it's true principles.

      by maddrailin on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:41:22 AM PST

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    •  "The juice isn't worth the squeeze" (5+ / 0-)

      Romney attitude towards a voter program for college students. If one were a young Republican, wouldn't that attitude fill you with enthusiasm?

      One of the 600 comments was by a law student who kept haunting the Houston hdqrs, begging for a job. When he finally inspired some interest, they told him to take the recycling out to the dumpster. No doubt, once the bar is passed, phone calls looking for free advice will arrive and the person will feel appreciated.

      Talk about having the competence to run a hot dog stand- with this attitude they wouldn't be able to give them away for free.

      Conservation is green energy

      by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:53:20 AM PST

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    •  "The juice isn't worth the squeeze" (3+ / 0-)
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      Romney trying to reach out to the young.

      One of the 600 commenters, a law student, keep trying to volunteer at the Houston hdqrs. The job they finally found for him was to take out the trash, but no doubt, once he is licensed they'll try to squeeze some free advice out of him.

      These people couldn't run a hot dog stand- so rude they wouldn't manage to give them away for free.

      Conservation is green energy

      by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:04:13 AM PST

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    •  Yup, they couldn't have picked (3+ / 0-)
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      a bigger asshole to lead the ticket, and one less likely to help Republicans down ticket and in the future.

      On the other hand, what were their alternatives?

      90% of Republicans give the rest a bad name.

      by Mother of Zeus on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:51:17 AM PST

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    •  and contrast that (2+ / 0-)

      with the Obama campaign's efforts in red areas of swing states. Cut down the margin there even a bit, and you're raising your shot at winning the state in a tight race.

      I get the sense that the Obama campaign squeezed all those swing states pretty hard.

    •  here's my favorite comment (2+ / 0-)
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      93 WELL, this needs to be changed immediately. And I plan to do something about it.
      First, constant outreach over the next two years in high R propensity voting blocks, i.e., regular church goers and nursing homes.
      Second, a system THAT FUCKING WORKS in place and BANK EACH AND EVERY FUCKING VOTE IN EARLY VOTING STATES, period.
      How has this not been done already. Are we run by a party of fucking idiots.
      Third, how do you get in touch with grass roots organizers/volunteers who work as poll watchers, etc. Is there such a list?
      LOL!  Constant outreach at nursing homes!!!  That'll pay huge dividends for the Republicans for years to come.

      When the solution is simple, God is answering. Albert Einstein

      by Carol in San Antonio on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:08:50 AM PST

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      •  Absentee ballot fraud in nursing homes? (3+ / 0-)

        No policeman is standing guard to make sure that the voter has independently made their decision. A badly scrawled shaky signature will not be challenged. Nothing reliably stops a nurse from gathering up all their Alzheimer's patients ballots, filling them out according to her desire and mailing them off.

        Since Soc.Sec. benefits are such a boon, I've wondered if all deaths are reported or registered with the authorities. I'll put my tinfoil down now.

        Conservation is green energy

        by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:29:32 AM PST

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        •  Social Security + deaths (2+ / 0-)
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          The Social Security administration gets lists of death certificates and checks them against the beneficiary roles several times a year.

          Violations found are turned over to SSA IG's office, who then investigates and prosecutes said violations.

          This started back in the late 1980s -- SSA also checks food stamp recipient lists to make sure fraud is not occurring there as well.

          I worked for the audit team that came up with the program.

    •  well and amusingly put, PL (0+ / 0-)

      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:00:49 AM PST

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  •  We really did dodge a bullet. I have been doing (11+ / 0-)

    GOTV for over 20 years--everything from local school board to the presidential elections. this is just plain incompetence. If Romney managed his campaign this poorly, just imagine what he would have done to the US government.

  •  Never Bite Off anything Bigger Than Your Head (3+ / 0-)
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    This just goes to show why Republicans are so bad at governing!  Incompetence thy name is Mitt. The world dodged a bullet...

  •  Sounds like a lot of excuse making to me (3+ / 0-)
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    Excuse making by Republicans who can't believe they got beat by him... "if only we'd done this."

    Sorry, but the polls and demographics have been saying what they had to say about this for a long time. Sam Wang and Nate Silver predicted Obama prevailing months ago.

    They didn't lose because of magic digital phone bank bugs. They lost because they lost.

    Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

    by Bobs Telecaster on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:31:50 AM PST

  •  Red State is a different world, isn' it? (5+ / 0-)

    They talk of Rmoney as a nice man, in over his head (without asking is the presidency would be as bad) and talk of Obama as a pathological liar.....

    Now I know all politicians embroider the true story a bit when it suits - but Obama as a pathological liar is a new story to me - or is this the way birthers show themselves in polite society?

    •  Liar tape (5+ / 0-)

      Apparently someone cut up the tape of the second debate into only the BHO rebuttals- "that's false; that's not true,etc."  The wing nuts laugh hysterically because they know he's lying every time he opens his mouth.  

      Right wing fantasy is exploding with how the election will create a financial catastrophe. Ordinary party chatter has turned into discussions of gun buying, survival rations and emigration. A doctor talked about selling his house to prepare for the coming emergency. These are not militia maniacs, rather the people you see at the grocery store. Fox has created a bubble over their heads.
      Ta-Nehisi Coatesplayed host to people with crazy relatives.

      Conservation is green energy

      by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:23:07 AM PST

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      •  Yesterday, a 70-year old man (3+ / 0-)
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        with a window washing business asked us, while waiting for his young employees to wash the last window, if we were happy with the election. "Yes," we answered enthusiastically. "And you?" "No." "Were you surprised?" "Yes." We dropped the topic, not wanting to have a political discussion just then.

        The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

        by ybruti on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:49:08 AM PST

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  •  Here, local dems handled (7+ / 0-)

    poll watching, checking off voters and the 4:00 call lists.  I'm sure OFA was also calling that day, but I think OFA put most of its efforts into the weeks and days leading to the campaign, making sure to convert those supporters into committed voters.  Truly, personally contacting someone at their door to chat about their plan for voting on Tuesday is a whole lot more effective than desperately trying to call people in the final 3 hours that the polls are still open.  So I'm not sure that even if ORCA had worked perfectly that it would have made that big of a difference.

    90% of Republicans give the rest a bad name.

    by Mother of Zeus on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:49:17 AM PST

  •  The Boston Globe has an article on it this (5+ / 0-)

    morning...

    This only shows the incompetence and the top-down philosophy that is the Republican hallmark.  Let the top talk about all those shiny pretty things. Who cares if it doesn't work? Test it? Bah!

    Tee hee.

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:57:55 AM PST

    •  Romney camp STILL insists ORCA was darn succesful (6+ / 0-)

      No seriously. The same guy who's blog post was the basis of the globe piece also ran this item:

      I am trying to ascertain just what level of self-delusion is required to make claims like this. My suspicion is that it involves padded rooms and needles.
      In response to a Romney aid downplaying the importance of ORCA, this was how he responded:
      Orca “has no relation to the outcome,” a Romney aide says.

      If ORCA had no relation to outcome, then tell me, what the hell was the point of the project? Huge campaign resources were were committed to this project, both in dollars and time by donors and volunteers, and you're going to shrug your shoulders and claim it wasn't all that big a deal after all? This is insulting to everyone who took time out of their schedule or skimmed money from their ever-shrinking paycheck to put their trust in this operation.

    •  60 pages of instruction the day before? (1+ / 0-)
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      According to that article, the Romney campaign (trying to be secret) sent out 60 pages of instructions the day before the election.

      People were supposed to learn how to use a complicated and untested procedure the day before?  No drills?  

      The incompetence is stunning.

      www.tapestryofbronze.com

      by chloris creator on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:46:20 AM PST

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  •  Stop it, this is hard! (7+ / 0-)

    I'm more interested in the story of ORCA not because it shows the incompetence of the Romney campaign on the ground, but how stellar the Obama campaign is/was.  The logistics of organizing, collecting, analyzing, and using voter data down to the precinct level in 50 states + DC has got to be really difficult.  Obama's team has been working on it for 6 years now; the Romney campaign for less than a year.  The GOP tried to equal years of Dem work in the span of a few months.  It wasn't going to happen.  It couldn't.  What Obama's team has done is unprecedented and amazing.  I only hope the next Dem learns a lot from what OFA did and can replicate it.  

  •  ORCA (6+ / 0-)

    A killer whale.
    That surfaced belly up.
    Just the difference in structure between ORCA and OFA tells you all you need to know about this election: Tightly pyramidal, top-down, incompetent and arrogant, failure Vs strong grassroots with good com links back to the mothership for calling in close air support, competence, inclusiveness, readiness, success.
    I hope that Rmoney's failure does real damage to the GOP, I believe it has.
    But I don't believe that was his intent or that he was some kind of stealth party destroyer. The Right conned themselves. All of them, from the Candidate to the Pundits to the rabid partisans, they all drank the Kool-Aid.
    They actually believed they were winning, it was pre-ordained. Rmoney bought $25K worth of fireworks and didn't prepare a concession speech.
    And I hope they didn't learn that lesson, because if they continue to dwell in an alternate universe, we can continue to kick their butts in this one.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:09:23 AM PST

  •  shake down (7+ / 0-)

    I was part of GOTV in Massachusetts.  I was also part of the shakedown cruise at the primary elections.  We knew Warren would win that but we went through the motions anyway to see what worked and what didn't.  Our area supervisor met with the local Town Clerks to introduce ourselves, get certificates and learn the rules.  We had training classes for all poll checkers.

    Minor procedures were changed after the primary concerning entering election day system for entering data but everything worked smoothly.We had two copies of voter lists in each precinct and a smooth changing of the guard every few hours.  This was not hard!

    •  Warren was old fashioned (0+ / 0-)

      You folks probably used pens and wrote on paper. Marvelous 21st century Mitt was going to be transformative, tearing out the old (even if it did work).

      I would love to interview every low level GOP official and find out how much of their Rovian GOTV information has been lost and how many volunteers permanently disgusted with all political activity.

      Rove's methods were neighborhood based. People were assigned to canvass their church or daycare center or children's school. Once the good voters were identified, they were shepherded to the polls. It was low tech, effective and I hope it has all gone up in smoke.

      Conservation is green energy

      by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:16:30 AM PST

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  •  What I find interesting over at Redstate... (8+ / 0-)

    is that even those commenters who realize that this was a cluster&^$k, and even those commenters who realize that this was a high paid consultant con-job, still miss the point that this is not an aberration.

    They are in denial about Romney's role in this. They miss the point entirely that this is how corporate America (they type of corporate America for which Romney was the poster boy) wants to run the country.

    If one looks at any "privatization" effort at any level of government, it usually involves bringing in expensive consultants whose advice is to sell public assets or services to the private sector, who then under deliver and come back looking for more money or walk away from the project. To their amazement, they discover that there really isn't that much waste or inefficiency, and that they only way to make a profit is to provide less service for more money.

    •  I noticed multiple comments (2+ / 0-)
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      suggesting the software developers must have been Democratic plants!

      •  On paranoia (1+ / 0-)
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        When I was an experimental scientist and our lab was the victim of a mysterious system fail, the post docs and grad students started anointing their hands, thought some people were contaminated, and had nightmares featuring evil co-workers.

        Months later, the university repaired the ventilation system that had destroyed our lab's sterility and people returned to normal. Ever since, I've been more sympathetic towards belief in witchcraft and paranoid delusions.

        Occam's razor says that hubris and stupidity are adequate to explain OCRA. We at Kos know that if the software problems could be proven to be a cyber war attack, that might have thrown the election. Since BHO is a smart cautious fellow, he would not have done it.

        Paranoia is appropriate under stress in a dangerous place. We have to convince the wingers that things aren't so scary.

        Conservation is green energy

        by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:00:15 AM PST

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  •  And Romney's entire premise for running (3+ / 0-)
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    is that he's supposedly competent at managing stuff.

  •  It really makes you wonder (2+ / 0-)
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    As bad as Romney's ideas were, does this mean he would have won w/ an OFA quality organization? Maybe maybe not. Demographics are destiny. Rove claimed they hit all their marks — of course arrogantly assuming that the Democrats would fail miserably at hitting theirs. Guess what? We met or exceeded them.

  •  What makes this even more staggering (0+ / 0-)

    is that Romney is the first GOP presidential candidate in recent memory who actually had to break a sweat in his previous electoral contests before running for president.  You'd think a guy who actually had to do some heavy lifting would know what it took to turn out voters.

    Romney-Ryan: America's Rollback Team

    by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:05:04 AM PST

  •  Right wingers are in shock & mourning (0+ / 0-)

    Even if they sort of grasp that it was a cl*f*k, it is hard to put those pieces together. Like us, politics is a big part of their identity and change will mean re-orienting, losing friends and familiar places. They can't seek us because we are the dark side.

    In the 1970's I ran women's consciousness raising groups. They could see how miserably the other woman's husband treated her, but always denied their own pain. Once they faced it their lives were often totally upended by divorce, a very unpleasant experience. A quite similar rupture is what we want from FOX believers. It will be very tough.

    Conservation is green energy

    by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:31:10 AM PST

  •  What was the idea behind ORCA in the first place? (1+ / 0-)
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    Was it a real time effort to GOTV on a precinct by precinct level on election day, in lieu of previous ground work?

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:36:00 AM PST

    •  Yes, ORCA was to beat OFA on turnout & polling (3+ / 0-)
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      Obama had the best, sleekest, web-based programs and Romney decided he needed something even better. According to the Washington Post "ORCA “was designed as a first-of-its-kind tool to employ smartphones to mobilize voters, allowing them to microtarget which of their supporters had gone to the polls.”

      According to Aces of Spades, previously the GOP always used paper lists of Republicans, which were checked off when they arrived at the polls. Every few hours the lists would be sent to headquarters and the people who hadn't voted yet would be called. This is exactly how Elizabeth Warren won her race.  The locals, who knew the law and the geography, were always in charge.

      CEOs don't like sharing power or authority, so Romney tried to disenfranchise all the local GOP leaders. I'm curious as to how totally he succeeded.

      Conservation is green energy

      by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:17:09 AM PST

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    •  If ORCA was untested by Election Day, (1+ / 0-)
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      then, yeah.

      I'm just dumbfounded regarding their nonexistent GOTV program.

      And the Rvote system (like OFA's VAN) was for sale June 2011!!! They could have bought it!

      I ♥ President Barack Hussein Obama.
      Yes, we did. Again.
      NO Grand Bargain, thank you. Give nothing away.

      by OleHippieChick on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:33:07 AM PST

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      •  ORCA was tested only in a controlled machine envir (1+ / 0-)
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        They never tried it with naive users or a full scale roll out.

        Since they were in the grip of paranoia and felt we would attack their machines, they didn't want to give OFA a preview.  If they had started using it during the early voting period in one or two states, the mess might have been avoided.

        Conservation is green energy

        by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:12:43 AM PST

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  •  The comments to the Redstate article... (2+ / 0-)
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    to which the diarist links are nothing short of a delight.

  •  I don't know what to say in the poll! (1+ / 0-)
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    I commented in another post about ORCA and wondered who made the decision to not go with Rvote, the clone of OFA's VAN. Are you saying it was Mitt himself?

    AND AND AND were they fixin to use the untested ORCA starting on ELECTION DAY??? WTdoubleF?

    Mitt's intense stupidity, piss-poor decision making, and insanely bad planning is a clear and present danger to the USA in someone striving for office. Holy shit, now I know how to vote the poll (nukes).

    I ♥ President Barack Hussein Obama.
    Yes, we did. Again.
    NO Grand Bargain, thank you. Give nothing away.

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:14:10 AM PST

  •  LOL! (0+ / 0-)

    Love this quote from the Redstate link you gave:

    Another source that closely studied the Obama campaigns GOTV efforts as compared to ORCA said bluntly that “the Obama training manuals made ORCA look like a drunken monkey slapped together a powerpoint”
    But we need to watch out for the fact that they might have learned their lesson
    ... adding that we must duplicate and improve what they accomplished to have any hope for the 2014 & 2016 ground game.
    and not be lulled into complacency after our massive successes this year. We need to even work on improving on our own game ourselves in 2014 & 2016 to keep one step ahead of them.
  •  He could have used a community organizer (0+ / 0-)

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:42:11 PM PST

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