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I just finished reading a wonderful new article to be published in tomorrow's New York Time's by Gail Collins who interviewed Secretary Clinton before the election.  I get every indication that once Hillary chills for a year, she will run in 2016.  

In the article which is mainly a lighter look at HRC, we learn that the Secretary loves home improvement and home buying shows on television.  Her favorite is Love It of List It.  The main quote from the entire article is quite poignant if not a little sad.  This woman who has given everything to her country and worked non-stop for 20 years in the national spotlight is exhausted. Asked what she wants to do after leaving the State Department:

I want to see whether I can get untired.

I can't imagine the fatigue both mental and physical.

“I am so looking forward to next year,” she said. “I just want to sleep and exercise and travel for fun. And relax. It sounds so ordinary, but I haven’t done it for 20 years. I would like to see whether I can get untired. I work out and stuff, but I don’t do it enough and I don’t do it hard enough because I can’t expend that much energy on it.”

Notice that we are less than a minute into her paean to not doing anything, and already she is planning her workouts.

It seems reasonable to assume that right now, Clinton’s lack of interest in a presidential race is genuine. Despite her legendary ability to fall asleep at will — even on that airplane daybed — she is really, really tired. And at 65, she has no way of knowing how fully her body will rebound when she stops punishing it.

As one who has never been a Clintonite and vehemently opposed Mrs. Clinton in 08 for PBO, (mainly due to the Iraq War vote in her case).  I have a new found respect and enthusiasm for both Clintons. Appointing Hillary was the first step in the re--election of PBO and Big Dog has been an invaluable asset in this campaign.

So as a Progressive who knows that Hillary would likely win the presidency in 2016, I want her to take her time and hopefully decides to run. What I would want to see is a more progressive 2.0 Hillary and a less cautious one than the one who ran in 2008.  She should be buoyed by the space opened up in this election for a more progressive politics.  The other positive I see in a Hillary candidacy is that she could groom a true progressive successor as VP--Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Julian Castro, Deval Patrick, Tammy Baldwin.

Thank you for your service Mrs. Clinton, kick your feet up for a year, watch those home improvement shows-- I love the ID network myself--and then please
come back for one more campaign.  Make history as the first woman president and finish appointing the all democratic supreme court.   PBO will have your back and if he has your back that means we will have your back.  Think about it!

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  •  I am one year younger than Hillary. I understand (12+ / 0-)

    "tired" and have not got anything even close to Hillary's job pressures or demands.

    Reality check.  In four years, she will be 69.  Two terms later she would be 77.  

    Not that it's not possible. I anyone can pull this off, she could.

    Still, we might wanting to build a deep bench.  No doubt President Obama is working on that.

    •  i found that quote sooooooo poignant (5+ / 0-)

      and guess what...i think a year of doing nothing important would refresh her...

      •  I've had the same evolution regarding Hillary (10+ / 0-)
        As one who has never been a Clintonite and vehemently opposed Mrs. Clinton in 08 for PBO, (mainly due to the Iraq War vote in her case).  I have a new found respect and enthusiasm for both Clintons. Appointing Hillary was the first step in the re--election of PBO and Big Dog has been an invaluable asset in this campaign.
        Hats off to Hillary AND Bill for getting past the disappointment of not being the 2008 presidential nominee. They've been troopers and NOBODY gives a better speech than Bill. He wraps up energy, humor, charisma and facts in one big tortilla and serves it to a delighted audience. Hillary has done a fantastic job during difficult times and unlike 2008 (when I also vigorously opposed her), I'd happily vote and campaign for her in 2016. I never thought those words would escape my fingertips. This is proof positive that you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.  ;-)

        Obamacare covers Romnesia

        by Hanging Up My Tusks on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:45:51 PM PST

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        •  yes! i agree don't understand the pushback (3+ / 0-)

          from some here...elections are won by great candidates...
          have u noticed that our only two dem presidents in the past 30 years were once in a lifetime candidates???  notice that except for reagan (another once in a lifetime), the repubs elected bush 1 as a successor and bush 2 as....?? still trying to figure that out....hillary clinton is a once in a lifetime candidate who will WIN

        •  I liked her as a candidate but preferred PBO. (1+ / 0-)
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          Mostly because her campaign staff was genuinely incompetent, while PBO's staff was the opposite.

          If she runs in 2016 with a better staff, I am 100% in favor.  I suspect she will know in the next year or two whether a woman her age --  no, make that THIS woman -- will have enough stamina to be president.  Who would know better than her what it takes?  And she has seen what it has taken out of 2 MUCH younger guys.  So I have to trust her judgement.  

          "The next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president of the United States, please, pay attention." Molly Ivins

          by janmtairy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:20:16 PM PST

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  •  I don't know if Hillary will run in 2016, but (7+ / 0-)

    if she doesn't Sherrod Brown sounds very interesting.

    There is no such thing as an off off year election. Every election effects each other. We need to work as hard in 2014 as we did in 2012.

    by pollbuster on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:06:09 PM PST

  •  I just don't see it happening (12+ / 0-)

    Will she run? Eh. I don't think so. I think she and Bill will always be great advocates for the Democratic Party, but I don't see another Hillary run.

    And, frankly, while Hillary is popular nowadays (who would have ever thought!?) I for one don't like political dynasties. Especially when we know Jeb Bush wants another run of things. It's time to move on from the Bush and Clinton years. I'm done with them. I'm not nostalgic for them, and I think we have plenty of other great names that could run in 2016.

    I don't want another Bush OR Clinton in office. And I say this as an unabashed Hillary fan.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:10:59 PM PST

    •  Completely agree. (3+ / 0-)

      Hillary won't run. But I fully expect both her and Bill to continue to be very public Democrats. It's been a generation since that's happened; senior Dems who can still be counted on to put energy into being party leaders.

      •  I hope they will (5+ / 0-)

        Bill's role of Secretary of Explaining Things is perfect. Hillary would be equally powerful as a senior Dem out there talking about the values of this party.

        I dunno. I can speak for only myself here, but I'm in my early thirties and it just makes ME tired to think of another Clinton presidency. Obama was such a breath of fresh air for us. I like the idea of younger candidates who actually represent the voters that we need.

        I don't think the Clintons are out of touch, but I can't see a Clinton candidacy firing up younger voters, and I really want our party to hold on to those.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:42:14 PM PST

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        •  You're right. (3+ / 0-)

          The 1990s were a LONG time ago already ... reliving them is not in the nation's best interest.

          And this comes from a guy who will always watch Seinfeld if it's on ...

        •  As a younger voter (3+ / 0-)

          I have to agree. Hillary would be an intelligent and capable president, but I have a hard time seeing her being as vigorous and inspiring as a younger candidate could be. I would love to see a woman elected president, but we have a new generation of strong, Democratic women out who can carry the torch.

          For many Democratic insiders, yes she is an inspirational figure. However, I don't think the same emotion is there from the rank and file. The electoral landscape is changing so rapidly too and I wonder if Hillary may be too caught up in the establishment to adapt new ideas. Part of the reason Obama beat Hillary in the primary is because he changed the game. He was unconventional. Hillary had way more establishment support, but Obama outmaneuvered her.

          I think Hillary is a great credit to this country, but I really hope we don't nominate her for '16.

    •  I preferred Hillary in 2008 (4+ / 0-)

      but I voted in the primary for Obama.  My kids lived 20 years under a Bush or Clinton.  Did not think that it was a good thing to ad 4-8 more years of that.

      Having said that, if she runs in 16 will likely vote for her.

    •  My dream 2016 ticket is Schweitzer-Clinton (2+ / 0-)
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      Killer of Sacred Cows, superfly

      Though no doubt Mark Warner will be sniffing around the VP slot.

      Either way, Dems need to have Schweitzer or Clinton as the nominee. Their resume is second to none, and both are excellent politicians and campaigners. I suspect the Republican ticket will be Rubio-Rice.

      •  No way in the world would Hillary take the VP slot (0+ / 0-)

        I can barely see a scenario where the offer isn't an insult, except that she is enough of a patriot to consider it anyway.  

        "The next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president of the United States, please, pay attention." Molly Ivins

        by janmtairy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:26:40 PM PST

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  •  I don't think Bill Clinton worked as hard (9+ / 0-)

    as he did this election just to be a nice team player, I would wager that this is his idea pf paying it forward.

    •  Yes but not that way (3+ / 0-)
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      I think it was to erase lingering (and, in my view, undeserved and unfair) animosity towards him within the party.

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:37:22 PM PST

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      •  I don't think that was an issue (4+ / 0-)

        While some here don't like the Clintons, Bill is generally popular among Democrats and the nation in general. I think he loved the opportunity to be in the spotlight again. The dude is a master at politics and he clearly loves it.

        I think it was part solidifying his own legacy AND being relevant to politics in this day and age. I don't think he was too worried about Democrats.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:48:39 PM PST

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  •  I'd love to see a President Hillary (8+ / 0-)

    that improves upon Obamacare with her old healthcare plan from the 1990s (a public option)

  •  Other Great Options (4+ / 0-)

    I want to second the previous comment referencing Hillary's age. I'd find it difficult to vote for anybody who would range in age from 69 to 77 while holding among the most challenging, stressful, and emotionally draining jobs out there. But, I read the book "Game Change", and if there's even a kernel of truth to what the authors reported about Clinton's behind-the-scenes behavior and outbursts during her '08 campaign, then she doesn't have the emotional maturity to do the job at any age.

    Having said that, I'd be thrilled if other strong female candidates would emerge, and I hear that Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) are quietly exploring a run. Let's hope that one or both of them decide to give it a shot.

  •  She's 65 and she'd like to get to 85 or beyond. (1+ / 0-)
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    These are people, the Clintons, who have long been mindful of their own mortality. I distinctly remember Bill talking during his presidency to some high school or college kids, saying (more or less) that "our lives [his and Hillary's] were probably more than half over." I don't think running for President four years from now, with the goal of being President for four or eight years after that, is something she would embrace.  

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:35:27 PM PST

  •  I'm with her all the way if she runs. (7+ / 0-)

    I suspect the Democratic Party will rally around her completely.

    •  I would have to hold my nose (1+ / 0-)
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      to vote for her. I'm not going to sit here and bash here. That's not appropriate for this site. But I didn't support her in '08. I do not generally support DLC-based candidates. And in 2016, I see an opportunity for an increasingly Progressive candidate. I'm sure she'd get my vote. But I'd likely not help with her campaign, feel any enthusiasm about voting for her, and it would be an outvote. I could not, in good faith, blog and advocate for her very easily.

      We have other fine potential candidates, don't we?

    •  And why not? We are now in the (2+ / 0-)
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      age of political super stars and I don't think America will go back to the oridinary.  I suspect George P will be the next the right will build up and on our side maybe Juilan Castro is a good bet.  In fact I can see the appeal of a Clinton/Castro ticket.  Yes, that's the ticket.  The only question is if Hilary wants it and her health allows it.

      •  great point...political superstars (2+ / 0-)

        Democrats win when they have GREAT candidates....Clinton, Obama.  Hillary is in that class.  I want to WIN.

        andrew cuomo and martin o'malley are not two candidates that black folk are going to wait in line 8 hours to vote for...HRC they would as a thank you to her and Bill's loyalty to PBO...

    •  someone suggested Bill Clinton as (0+ / 0-)

      Sec of State in another diary and I had to hold my mouth shut, but it's pretty clear that Hillary in 2016 just want get even with Bill to make him work as hard as she did.

      That's a couple royale, I would never vote for either, even though I respect both their capabilitlies, both are terrific, hardworking and very smart and tough ... and that's the problem ... I am just tired of recycled politicians for the sake of not having to risk and come up with new ones.  

  •  I doubt she will run. (1+ / 0-)
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    Every time I see her, she looks awful.

    No, I am not being sexist. She looks aged, exhausted, weary of stress ... distracted.

    Hillary Clinton know just how tiring a presidential campaign is. She's lived through 3 of them.

    In 2008, she was in the right age group for the whale hunt. A bit on the far side, but still capable of running in the fast lane.

    8 years later, I doubt she'll want to do it all again.

    This article confirms my suspicions.

    Now, maybe she can rest up a year and recharge her batteries.

    But I'll be surprised if she runs.

    "I'm a dweller on the threshold ..."

    by thresholder on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:40:23 PM PST

    •  she needs time off...but do you really (2+ / 0-)

      think the way she looked in 2008 was by accident?
      she had major major hair and makeup help...she will get it again

    •  She can lose weight and look better. She just told (0+ / 0-)

      Gail Collins she'll hit the treadmill. She can look ready and presentable. Not to be sexist, male or female, one just needs to look fit enough, and she can get there.

      I'm not sold on her, I'd have to see how she runs her campaign & her policy positions and who runs against her in the primaries, but I wouldn't think that she can't win due to age or looks. She knows how to get herself presentable ("she's likeable enough").

  •  I agree that I don't think she (6+ / 0-)

    Will run.  For me a far better future would be as a Supreme Court justice.

    Wouldn't that rock?

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:57:42 PM PST

    • fact (4+ / 0-)

      there may be a SCOTUS appt. in the future for the 44th president too...that what I would LOVE to see.

    •  Replacing Justice Ginsburg with a 65 year old? (9+ / 0-)

      Uh, no thanks. The whole reason for re-electing Obama, above everything, is that there will be two Supreme Court picks in the next 2 years. I'm thinking Kamala Harris or Lisa Madigan.

      Supreme Court possibilities if Obama is reelected

      Kamala Harris, California attorney general

      Born 1964. She was elected to her current job in 2010. She is part African-American, part Asian-American. Her father is a Jamaican-born Stanford University economics professor and her mother is an Indian-born (native Tamil) physician who works as a breast cancer specialist. Harris is a former San Francisco district attorney and author of "Smart on Crime." Her political savvy, ethnic background, telegenic personality, law enforcement credentials, and early support of President Obama's 2008 candidacy make her a favorite for any high court vacancy in any second-term, and possibly for U.S. Attorney General. Complications: Harris may seek re-election in 2014 and then may run for governor the following year.
      Lisa Madigan, Illinois attorney general

      Born 1966. Elected as the state's highest law enforcement official in 2002. She is the adopted daughter of longtime Illinois House Speaker Mike Madigan. A former state senator, she worked down the hall from fellow lawmaker Barack Obama. She gained national prominence after seeking a motion to have former Gov. Rod Blagojevich temporarily removed from office in 2008. She also argued a search and seizure case before the justices in 2004. Her long friendship with the president, political skills, and law enforcement background have made her a favorite.

    •  BPARTR - Hillary is too old to appoint (0+ / 0-)

      We want solid liberals who are under 50 so they have long tenure.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 11:37:27 PM PST

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  •  Not my first choice, (5+ / 0-)

    but I think one more chance to make history will be too strong for her to resist. If she's in, I'll be in, as I think she is the best chance to hold the Presidency, and we need to keep winning to shift this country left.

    I think it will be Hillary v. Jeb, both sides will put out their biggest names, and it will be the tie breaker, so to speak (Bill beat HW, W beat Gore) and Hillary will win handily, in fact I think she will add a few points of popular vote and a few states to the Democratic side, from further demographic trending, and sadly, from some white voters that just wouldn't vote for PBO.

    Need to give her as liberal/progressive Congress and Senate as possible, to push her left as much as possible, and I think underneath it all, she's a bit more liberal than her public political face.

    We'll see.

    It's not Democrats v. Republicans or Liberal v. Conservative. It's People v. Money, and Money is winning.

    by superfly on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 04:59:20 PM PST

  •  One general point (5+ / 0-)

    If you are too old to run for President as some suggest Hillary will be, then you are too old for the Supreme Court.

    Just tell her to go home instead. Forget the SCOTUS nonsense please.

  •  She has been working her ass off (6+ / 0-)

    and has been, IMO, an absolutely terrific Secretary of State. A lot of the changes she's made are not big media stories, and there will be a lot left in our diplomacy to keep shifting, but the groundwork she has been laying for it is really, really awesome, and she has traveled directly all over the place, to countries that US policy has usually mostly ignored.

    I'm not surprised she's exhausted. I will be sorry to see her go from her current role, where her work has really been some of the best shifting in the State Dept. since forever. I think she also deserves a good, long rest before anybody even worries one way or the other about 2016. If she were to run, I'd respect her. If she decides not to, I'll respect her. I have not generally been either Clinton's biggest fan, but I find the real world work she has done over these past 4 years to be inspiring.

    (Really, I'm adding all of this partly because most of what folks have to say here so far is about her role in the party and so on. She has changed US diplomacy around the world, and while it's certainly far from my ideal still, the direction she has started to set is truly wonderful to me.)

  •  Her next move? (4+ / 0-)

    Hopefully it's somewhere warm and tropical, where she can spend her afternoons sitting on the beach reading a novel instead of a foreign-service briefing and sipping drinks with little umbrellas in them.

    If anyone's earned that, it's her.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:21:56 PM PST

  •  Hillary 2016!! (5+ / 0-)

    I hope she runs and the Democratic Party should embrace her if they want to win big.  The Clintons aren't afraid to campaign for Democrats across the country and could sweep in a huge majority in 2016.  Obama doesn't campaign for members of his party very often, if ever.  Also, Hillary and Bill aren't afraid to smack down the republicans and call out their bullshit.  That's not Obama's style.  

  •  I adore Hillary (0+ / 0-)

    She was my preferred candidate in 2008.  If she chooses to run in 2016, I'll max out for her and work my fingers to the bone. No questions asked.

    That said - if she'd rather kick back and rest, maybe do some foundation work - I'd support her 100%.  She has more than served our country.

  •  Hillary for Supreme Court (0+ / 0-)

    Still room for more women there. She could transform the court. It would matter. And it would be less exhausting than the WH again. Not to mention that she could groom another generation of jurists in her clerks.

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