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Frank Bruni delivers the uplifting, heartwarming tale of how Karl Rove sucks.

On election night 2012, when he was brought low by Mitt Romney’s defeat and the party’s miserable showing in Senate races, he went into denial. It was something to see, something that really will endure, that half-hour or so on Fox News, when he insisted on an alternate reality to the one described by NBC and CBS and even his own Fox colleagues, who were calling the election, correctly, for President Obama. Rove would have none of it, and no wonder. It didn’t just contradict the statements he’d been making for months as a gabby media pundit. It undercut the pose he’d been striking for more than a decade as a lofty political prophet.
The difference between Karl Rove and Charles Ponzi? Ponzi didn't have a camera focused on him when the scheme fell apart.

The New York Times provides a nice dose of rubbing salt for those wounded by Uncle Karl.

The millionaires and billionaires who gave nearly $500 million to independent groups in the race to elect Mitt Romney and other Republicans not only bet on the wrong party, they bet on the wrong tactic. They believed that an endless drumbeat of television advertisements would be enough to drive voters away from President
It did not work. ...

There is something supremely cynical about the notion among Republican conservatives that they could use their ability to make unlimited contributions to “super PACs” and shadowy social-welfare groups to buy an election. It views voters as a flock of sheep, easily hypnotized by misleading ads, willing to believe whatever wealthy industrialists tell them about taxes, jobs and health care.

Ross Douthat tries to find his way back to reality...
The Republican Party has lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. It just failed to unseat a president presiding over one of the longest stretches of mass unemployment since the Great Depression. In a year when the Senate map offered them numerous opportunities, the Republicans managed to lose two seats instead.
A little shaky on the mount...
No doubt a more moderate tone on immigration would help Republicans. But the idea of amnesty as a Latino-winning electoral silver bullet is a fantasy.
True enough...
What the party really needs, much more than a better identity-politics pitch, is an economic message that would appeal across demographic lines — reaching both downscale white voters turned off by Romney’s Bain Capital background and upwardly mobile Latino voters who don’t relate to the current G.O.P. fixation on upper-bracket tax cuts.
Wait, I think I know where you can find a message just like that. It's called the Democratic Party.

Maureen Dowd declares Romney president. Sort of.

It makes sense that Mitt Romney and his advisers are still gobsmacked by the fact that they’re not commandeering the West Wing.

Team Romney has every reason to be shellshocked. Its candidate, after all, resoundingly won the election of the country he was wooing.

Mitt Romney is the president of white male America.

...

In its delusional death spiral, the white male patriarchy was so hard core, so redolent of country clubs and Cadillacs, it made little effort not to alienate women. The election had the largest gender gap in the history of the Gallup poll, with Obama winning the vote of single women by 36 percentage points.

As W.’s former aide Karen Hughes put it in Politico on Friday, “If another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue.”

Can I just say how nice it is when Dowd actually writes an article rather than putting out a rambling bit of snarky soap opera?

Craig Shirley admits that things didn't go that well for the GOP.

True, the election outcome was a rejection of Mitt Romney, but it was also a rejection of a political party that for many has become incoherent at best and contradictory at worst. Doubts plague the GOP. It is no exaggeration to call them “severe.” ...

What is left of the national party is a smoking hole in the ground with millions, possibly billions, of dollars wasted and establishmentarians lashing out against the very conservatives who helped build the party. Because Romney never understood conservatism, he could never explain to swing voters how a limited-government philosophy could make the country more secure and their lives better.

Want to see how divided the GOP really is right now, read this article back to back with Douthat's and see how different they are in their diagnosis and recommended treatment. If that's not enough, half the Washington Post Opinion page consists of disagreeing self-diagnoses.

Dana Millbank leads the GOP through the five stages of political grief.

Kathleen Parker let's us in on the wisdom she gained months ago but hasn't shared till now.

If nothing else, one had to look only at the two political conventions. One was colorful, vibrant, excited and happy. The other was pale, moribund, staid and restrained. If the latter sounds like something in the final stages of life, you’re not far off.
Brent Rose has the inside scoop on the most popular picture on the Internet.

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  •  I'll gloat for ya (31+ / 0-)

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    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:15:20 PM PST

  •  it seems most pundits are paid for being wrong (38+ / 0-)

    One reason for FOX is that over 30 of their paid pundits and nominal 'reporters' were speakers at Rmoney rallies and fundraisers. They worked hard to elect their boss's choice, they were fully invested in a GOP win. Some probably were dreaming of places in a Rmoney administration. Rove was their guru.

    It's little wonder that they has a sad. They were as much losers as any other GOP operatives.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:25:42 PM PST

  •  Interesting article in the NYT about (30+ / 0-)

    Boehner telling his caucus that they need to fall in line and cannot push the envelope like they did during the debt ceiling crisis.  He was apparently very frank about how bad the election results were for the entire GOP.

    It's a parallel to 1994-1996. After 1994, Gingrich believed he had a mandate to go the distance and was more than willing to risk extreme policies and tactics in order to either get what he wanted or make his point to provide a clear contrast to the American people.  However, after he lost the government shutdown confrontation with Bill Clinton in 1995, he was rendered weak and only had negative power - the power to deny a Democratic initiative but not the power to push through his own agenda. After the 1996 election, the GOP Congress largely went along with most Clinton initiatives, even as they sought to impeach him.  

    Similarly, after the GOP wins in 2010, Boehner, McConnell and the tea party caucus had their sites set on the debt ceiling and to make things as bad as possible for President Obama where they would either get their way or they would present a clear choice for the voters.  Though Boehner didn't lose his debt ceiling fight as badly as Gingrich lost the government shut down battle, it did mark the end of what the tea party was able to do.  Democrats started winning legislative skirmishes, Obama re-tooled and re-framed himself as a populist Democrat, the tea party receded from view, and Obama won the election.

    Now, Boehner is signaling that he will need to compromise with the President and that his caucus is simply going to have to accept the deal or risk their slender majority. However, Boehner is still committed to the position that there should be no tax rate increases.

    Nonetheless, Boehner is suggesting some flexibility in tactics.   It could mean that Boehner might ease his insistence that any tax cut extensions for the middle class be tied to tax cut extensions for the top bracket, which would allow Obama to let the upper income tax cuts expire while the two cut a deal on the other aspects.  If Boehner did take that approach he would be bowing to political reality while not tarnishing his party's 'we don't raise taxes, ever' position.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 10:51:28 PM PST

    •  The other problem (20+ / 0-)
      It could mean that Boehner might ease his insistence that any tax cut extensions for the middle class be tied to tax cut extensions for the top bracket, which would allow Obama to let the upper income tax cuts expire while the two cut a deal on the other aspects.  If Boehner did take that approach he would be bowing to political reality while not tarnishing his party's 'we don't raise taxes, ever' position.
      A clever possibility with hopes that the President supports incremental steps including a stimulus package instead of marching to a grand bargain.

      But, as we know, Boehner isn't the only power player, Bowles-Simpson's Fix the Debt campaign has more than
      100 plus one percenters leading and financing their corporate, special interest agenda.

      Take a moment and click here:http://www.fixthedebt.org/...

      Occupy Fix the Debt anyone?

      They are opening chapters across the country. Click here: http://www.fixthedebt.org/...

      One must ask why? They are rapidly becoming a new ALEC

      The President knows what Erskine Bowles said about him; backhandedly blaming the President for his catfood not passing out of committee.

      And Bowles supporting Ryan's budget

      "I’m telling you, this guy [Paul Ryan] is amazing. I always thought I was okay with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me. He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars," Erskine Bowles, Sept. 2011.
      Bowles and Simpson also supported several candidates during the election--in effect, purchasing congressmen who support their corporate plan, many lost.

      But the support of a teabagger in NH over a good progressive candidate takes the cake.

      "In their attack on Annie Kuster (NH), Bowles and Simpson praised her Tea Party opponent, Congressman Charlie Bass, for supporting their plan to cut Social Security and Medicare benefits. Their attack ad is appearing in three local newspapers: the Concord Monitor, New Hampshire Union Leader, and the Nashua Telegraph"
      And we know that Bowles is a failure at investing, according to Dean Baker's index analysis.
      In their quest for every possible source of savings, Bowles and Simpson seem never seriously to have considered a financial speculation tax that would target the country's bloated financial sector. The United Kingdom has imposed taxes on its financial sector for centuries, and much of the European Union is considering a tax that could go into effect as early as next year. A tax comparable to the one the UK has on stock trades, but applied to all financial assets, could raise close to $1.5tn over the course of a decade. http://www.guardian.co.uk/....
      Screwing with Social Security, and defunding Medicaid, Medicare and other needed saftey-net programs for the poor and working middle-class citizens will not be embraced by the public.

      The Gang of Eight and Simpson/Bowles must think we are like the people of Iraq and will welcome their intrusion into our life-long investments with open arms.

      We will not!

      Paul Krugman says it best...

      First, despite years of dire warnings from people like, well, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles, we are not facing any kind of fiscal crisis. Indeed, U.S. borrowing costs are at historic lows, with investors actually willing to pay the government for the privilege of owning inflation-protected bonds. So reducing the budget deficit just isn’t the top priority for America at the moment; creating jobs is. For now, the administration’s political capital should be devoted to passing something like last year’s American Jobs Act and providing effective mortgage debt relief.

      Second, contrary to Beltway conventional wisdom, America does not have an “entitlements problem.” Mainly, it has a health cost problem, private as well as public, which must be addressed (and which the Affordable Care Act at least starts to address). It’s true that there’s also, even aside from health care, a gap between the services we’re promising and the taxes we’re collecting — but to call that gap an “entitlements” issue is already to accept the very right-wing frame that voters appear to be in the process of rejecting.

      Finally, despite the bizarre reverence it inspires in Beltway insiders — the same people, by the way, who assured us that Paul Ryan was a brave truth-teller — the fact is that Simpson-Bowles is a really bad plan, one that would undermine some key pieces of our safety net. And if a re-elected president were to endorse it, he would be betraying the trust of the voters who returned him to office. http://www.nytimes.com/....

      Contact the congress critters, especially the new gang of eight:Democrats Mark Warner of Virginia, Dick Durbin of Illinois, retiring Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Michael Bennet of Colorado and Republicans Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Mike Crapo of Idaho, and Mike Johanns of Nebraska.

      Tell them, we won, circumstances have dramatically changed and we don't want nor does the country need an austerity program that conveniently lowers tax rates.

      "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

      by smiley7 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:04:54 AM PST

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    •  NYT Article (0+ / 0-)

      Can you post a link please?

      Thanks!

      “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

      by RoIn on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:53:14 AM PST

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    •  "Other aspects" like Social Security, Medicare, (0+ / 0-)

      and Medicaid?  Those "aspects"?

      Acceleration is a thrill, but velocity gets you there

      by CarolinNJ on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:04:28 AM PST

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  •  Conservatism was about market-based solutions. (15+ / 0-)

    I didn't always agree with it, but I thought they at least were trying to accomplish something other than make rich people even richer.

    Cap and trade, earned income tax credit and, yes, Obamacare, all started out as conservative ideas.

    At some point, conservatives quit trying to use to market to solve problems and just started worshiping the market no matter what it did.

    They really need another Jack Kemp, but they won't find him with dullards like Ryan leading the next generation.

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 12:59:09 AM PST

    •  Was, implying "at some time in the past but (1+ / 0-)
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      not these days"

      Conservatism now is simply part of a rightwing limited mentality spectrum.

      Specifically, a delay in moral development that impairs judgement and impulse controls, has them fixated on clearly meaningless issues while making them dangerously aggressive if they can't have their delusions work out in reality.

      It makes them dangerous to women and children, as well as to freedom and democracy.

      it also makes them really stupid. I am surprised that members of this sub-population don't spill koolaid on their shirts more often.....

      they are gifted with assembling assault weapons in the dark, their one savant part of otherwise being idiots.

      Medications have no effect.

      the only real way to deal with them is to systematically remove their reps from office and marginalize them.

      Eventually, they may, if we are lucky,  move out of the cities, perhaps to Somalia or maybe to large floating cement islands in the sea.

      Someday, they may just shut up and fade away, once it becomes clear it is embarrassing to be one of these freaks.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:07:06 AM PST

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  •  Shopping list: 1 pitchfork, 1 torch (5+ / 0-)

    Time to get back to issue advocacy mode for me

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:52:57 AM PST

  •  Still paid for being wrong (21+ / 0-)

    Kathleen Parker writes:

    And then there were Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann, who never had a real shot at the nomination and certainly could never win a national election, yet they refused to surrender to the certain nominee.
    Is it just me and my fevered wish fulfillment, or did Michele Bachmann drop out after the Iowa Caucuses -- about as early as a primary opponent could drop out?

    Binders full of fail!

    by deminva on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:09:16 AM PST

  •  The last Republican I liked at all (11+ / 0-)

    was Lowell Weicker, who didn't even stay a Republican.

    Before that, there still weren't that many, but now and again there was a Brooke or a McCloskey or, a ways back, a Teddy Roosevelt.  

    Few and far between, over a pretty long period.  

    And far fewer now.  

    It will be interesting to see how drastic the ideological surgery the GOP will do on their Bagger tumor will be.  They weren't very competitive in the swing states which decided the election this cycle.  Either they perceive that a major change is at hand or they will double down next time on what cost them the election this time.  

    Not a very encouraging choice, but one forced by their own xenophobia and hard-heartedness.  

    •  Lincoln Chaffee was not that bad and he woke up (13+ / 0-)

      and became an independent and in some ways, he is more progressive than most blue dogs and conservadems.  I saw him during Hurricane Sandy out there in his rain gear in the midst of the storm talking to the people and seeing what they needed. He seems to be a good governor in RI.

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      by wishingwell on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:35:27 AM PST

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    •  I hated Nixon for so many reasons but he started (6+ / 0-)

      the EPA and signed the Clean Air Act so I guess in retrospect he deserves some love.

      Also Ike seemed like a sane, responsible leader.

      •  Nixon's '72 platform was more lib than Obama's (5+ / 0-)

        That didn't make him a liberal, just a conservative politician who knew how to get elected.  It all shows how far to the right our nation has moved.  It's time to move back, let's hope the president can succesfully continue the process.

        The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking. A. A. Milne

        by Memory Corrupted on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:13:21 AM PST

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        •  We have a full decade plus of work ahead (4+ / 0-)
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          That means not taking an election "off" because of disappointment, "exhaustion", etc.

          The Oligarchs and their enablers are going to continue plotting to marginalize all of us, no matter how any election turns out. They have the cash to fund it, and no matter how much we laugh at their wasted hundreds of millions of dollars, it is "cookie jar money" for them.

          They are using the Global economy and markets to keep score in their real life game of Monopoly, and we're just in the way.

          When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Egalitare on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:18:11 AM PST

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          •  10 years may not be enough; it took (0+ / 0-)

            Attwater/Rove over 20 years.  
            As an aside; I think we actually live in a Representative Plutocracy, where the rich buy their politicians.  Yeah, semamtics, a plutocracy is a subset or form of oligarchy.  Unless, of course, everyone is rich.

            The third-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the majority. The second-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking with the minority. The first-rate mind is only happy when it is thinking. A. A. Milne

            by Memory Corrupted on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 09:33:12 AM PST

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      •  and China (1+ / 0-)
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        He opened relations with Communist China.

        •  It had to happen, and it finally (0+ / 0-)

          did.  Odd that it was Nixon, as Cold a Warrior as there was in the Cold War, but there he was.

          What followed was a significant cultural exchange, and that should be celebrated.  We'd been told the Chinese were "the Red Chinese," and that they were a menace to the entire globe.

          Turns out they are human beings, too, with the same needs and hopes as the rest of us.  

      •  We badly needed those things, and (0+ / 0-)

        they did come about during Nixon's time.  

        I'm not personally certain in what spirit he regarded them, but he was a shrewd enough politician to know that the times demanded both.  

    •  Sen. Jim Jeffords left the party and changed... (9+ / 0-)

      ...the Senate majority in doing so.

      "So, am I right or what?"

      by itzik shpitzik on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:40:01 AM PST

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      •  Jeffords was a highlight in the New England (1+ / 0-)
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        states' Republican congregations.  

        He stood up for teachers, for education for life-long learning.  

        He deserves credit for reminding everybody that you're not done with learning just because somebody hands you a high school diploma.  

        I miss him.  

    •  i think they're beyond surgery at this point. (4+ / 0-)
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      btw, really like your "bagger tumor" analogy :)

      the reality the gop is facing is continuing to function under the hostile takeover which the fundies & the baggers have successfully perpetrated on the party, or making a clean break & starting all over again, & returning to what used to be the moderate sanity which governed the party's ideology & presented the electorate with viable alternative to the d's.

      personally, i'm enjoying the meltdown.  it's been a long time coming & richly deserved.

    •  What about Mark Hatfield? (1+ / 0-)
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      Memorialized today by the Hatfield Marine Science Center in Newport, Oregon. There were others- Eisenhower (with all his flaws a much greater president than most), and Senator Margaret Chase Smith, who took on McCarthy.

      The Republican Party of the 1950s had conservative jerks, but they did not totally run the party, as they do today.  One reason I don't believe in "progress."  Another reason was that I was always told back then that progress involved new malls, housing developments, etc. and the total destruction of the wild.  

      The Republican Party I knew then did not have the racist Dixiecrats in it.  I saw it change from right of center and admittedly too committed to the rich, to the corporate Fascist entity it is now.  Nixon was the one who started the destruction of what was good in the party.

      •  If there were more Mark Hatfields in (1+ / 0-)
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        the current-day GOP, there would be less rancor and a lot less obstruction.  

        I think of Mitch McConnell and how threatened he would be to hold a conversation with someone like Mark Hatfield.

        Hatfield was a citizen of the nation.  McConnell is a water boy for lobbyists.

        Hatfield was a class act.

  •  Nearly sixty million adult persons voted for (6+ / 0-)

    a tall, fairly good looking person with good hair. Why?

    Because:
    1) he is tall
    2) he is good looking
    3) he's an apt king for a term "re(x) publius" =king of the people, a position Jesus disdained
    4) dictators are best when ineffectual
    5) governing = work, not for the lazy
    6) if it's dirty work, people should take turns
    7) gilt by association is cheap
    8) habit
    9) generosity

    Most of the above have to do with appearances. That's because most of the people who voted for the tall white guy are directed by superficial optics. Some few probably think the glory ought to ge shared and actually voted out of generosity, rather than antagonism.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:26:50 AM PST

    •  I would like to gloat over predicting that (3+ / 0-)
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      Stude Dude, One Opinion, cactusgal

      in America, the cooler guy wins. Bush was cooler than Gore or Kerry, in a smirky rich punk sort of way. No more Gores or Kerrys. Don't be wonks, go with the product that is easier to market.  

      We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

      by PowWowPollock on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:04:48 AM PST

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      •  True the President is the eptiome of Cool, he (6+ / 0-)

        really is plus he has a lovely family and a cute dog that rides in a car and not on a roof.

        Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

        by wishingwell on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:36:25 AM PST

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      •  Then the 2016 candidate should be (1+ / 0-)
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        Martin O'Malley. What is cooler than having your own rock band? Oh, yeah, and he sheparded through the first passing of the Dream Act AND Marriage Equality by popular vote, but that's not as cool as this.

        You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia".

        by yellowdog on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:55:02 AM PST

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        •  Martin O'Malley has hurt the people of Maryland. (1+ / 0-)
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          He was instrumental in getting the casino at National Harbor approved in a referendum on election day. And for years leading up to that, he was critically important to helping the gambling industry to force their way in. The casino will devestate a neighborhood and make southern Prince George's County a sacrifice zone. Montgomery County officials pushed for the casino - but they would never have done it were it sited in richer Montgomery County. They wouldn't want their area to be the sacrifice zone.

          This issue is much more important than the fact that O'Malley is a terrible speaker, but he is a terrible speaker, in my opinion, because he has no ethical core. That is reinforced by his helping open the door for the kind of people who bring you casinos.

          O'Malley's father-in-law, as Attorney General of Maryland for many years, fought ably and nobly against gambling. But O'Malley has helped wipe that memory away. O'Malley would be a horribly wrong direction for the Democratic Party to go in, and I don't see him as cool in the slightest.

      •  Gore revealed a nasty, authoritarian streak (2+ / 0-)
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        in picking Lieberman. Of course, we should have been on notice with his re-inventing government and the restructuring of the Pentagon to make it a more effective fighting machine. It was the Clinton/Gore military that invaded Iraq. It was the Bush/Cheney military that failed to look ahead and realize the 24 permanent base plans they pulled from the shelf weren't going to work without a lot more money and troops.
        Kerry is a good legislator, but he's got an authoritarian streak which leads him to appreciate the prosecutor's discretion to decide which laws should be enforced and against whom. He never was able to articulate, as Howard Dean and Barack Obama did that the invasion of Iraq was unjust.

        We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:05:22 AM PST

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        •  I thought he was just (1+ / 0-)
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          shoring up Connecticut for the Democrats.

          Binders full of fail!

          by deminva on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:45:55 AM PST

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          •  No, Lieberman was an original PNAC person, (1+ / 0-)
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            promoting the American Empire in the 21st Century. The PNAC gallery had all the bases covered in 2000 with McCain, Lieberman and Cheney.
            Obama threw them a crumb the other day by saying he also wants the 21 st to be an American century by excelling in technology and accomplishing much. The PNAC gang just want to be bullies so they are unlikely to be mollified by Obama's spin. Obama's excellence involves work.

            We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

            by hannah on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:54:27 AM PST

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    •  You forgot the most obvious (16+ / 0-)

      He's not the dark-skinned socialist Muslim who's not really American and doesn't understand Anglo-American values.

      •  Yes, rugby mom hits nail on head, only thing is (5+ / 0-)

        those racist teahadists discovered that the majority of America looks, acts, thinks like the Obamas more than they look, think, act, or have the wallet of the Romneys.

        People can relate more to the Obamas and the Bidens than they can to the rich spoiled , entitled Romneys and Ryans.

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        by wishingwell on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:38:20 AM PST

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      •  Lesser evil. (3+ / 0-)
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        skohayes, Aunt Pat, diggerspop

        Are you suggesting the Cons voted for the lesser evil? I'm not sure they are that perspicacious.
        However, if that is the case, then we have to work on reversing the whole "politics is a dirty business" meme. Which would probably be a good idea, anyway. That the public's interests are not a worthy enterprise for upstanding citizens to engage in is a notion that needs to be discounted. At a minimum it smacks of the "sour grapes" argument with which the fox tricks the crow into leaving the grapes alone until they are ripe enough to fall to the ground where the fox can easily get them. The authoritarian interest is to keep good, competent people from interfering in their predatory enterprise.
        Authoritarians, although they make a claim to authority based on achievement, actually predators in disguise. Their object is to take (or extract with blandishments) what they want without giving anything of value in return. The most inept just steal. Which is why their accumulation of richest ought to be inherently suspect.
        Willard's wealth is a flaw; not a feature.
        It is a mistake to think that rich people already have enough and are, therefor, unlikely to steal more. Thievery is habit forming. Greed is an obsession -- never satisfied.

        We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:50:22 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  That is a LOT of stupid people. (1+ / 0-)
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      No wonder american television looks as stupid as it does.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:07:59 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Shout Out to anyone near Tulane University: (4+ / 0-)
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    This event outta be a real hoot, bring plenty of popcorn!!

    Carville and Matalin to lead all-day Tulane discussion on election 2012

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:15:28 AM PST

    •  Wow Jim, that sounds interesting, if nothing else, (3+ / 0-)
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      entertaining as the husband and wife team battle each other.  Matalin once said after they get into heated fights , that James has to buy her jewelry and she thanks him...LOL..I get the feeling from these two that their heated political battles lead to shopping and sex...LOL.

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      by wishingwell on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:40:06 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Matalin, post-election (7+ / 0-)

      described President Obama as a "narcissistic sociopath."

      And I thought, Yeah, narcissism and sociopathy.  Hard to know which was the greater driver in leading him to expend  all his political capital to ensure that our insurers couldn't drop us because of pre-existing conditions, or that young people could remain on their parents' policies until they're 26, etc.

      Ultimately, I decided it was the narcissism we have to thank for the pre-existing conditions, and the sociopathy for the coverage-till-26 bit.

      In other news,  Mary Matalin is a vicious, mean person.  

      I saw a bit of Carville on Election Night.  He'll say the occasional colorful thing, but he doesn't get off on vicious hyperbole.  His wife clearly does.  When she opens her mouth, she sounds jealous of all the attention Ann Coulter receives.

      Binders full of fail!

      by deminva on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:51:28 AM PST

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  •  "Dark anti-christian spiritual forces" are (7+ / 0-)

    at the root of the Republican defeat, I hear.

    Personally, however, I think the Republicans are basically fatuous dorks.

    Anyhow, Iowa Rep. Steve King is considering running for Tom Harkin's senate seat in 2016.  He may have to primary against Terry Branstad (Iowa Republican Gov.).  Only two more years of that dope, evidently.

    "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

    by Rikon Snow on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:18:05 AM PST

  •  How do we increase turnout in 2014? (4+ / 0-)

    America's republic can only function when citizens provide scrutiny and participation. Less scrutiny, and less participation, and the system becomes dysfunctional.

    So it's no surprise that progressives do better in the high-scrutiny, high-participation presidential campaigns, than in the low scrutiny, low participation mid-terms.

    As I wrote in "Forget Demographics! Obama won because Americans are progressive"

    ...Presidential elections are the ones which citizens pay the most attention to, and are most likely to vote in. If you're looking for the purest existing way of expressing the will of the American majority, you look at the popular vote in Presidential elections. In the last 6 presidential elections, Republicans only won the popular vote once - and only by a few thousand votes...
    So it's no surprise that congress always has such a low approval rating - even when Democrats run it, it's skewed to the right of American public opinion.

    It doesn't have to be this way. If mid-term elections had the same turnout as Presidential elections, Congress would have been ours 5 out of 6 times also. So, it's time to talk about how we can get mid-terms to be more like presidential elections.

    *Lots of shiny citizen initiatives? (even if they have no hope in passing?)

    *Celebrities running for office? (They don't have to be good at government if they run in hopeless races)
    Unified logo and slogan like the Obama campaign should be used. "We're all in this together", shorted to "together"?

    *A campaign to get employers and universities to give time off to vote. From ehow.com:

    Many employers give workers time off to vote in presidential elections but not in midterm elections. Also, many professors in colleges and universities cancel class or excuse students from class to vote in presidential elections, but may not do so in midterm elections.
    *Presidential elections get the media attention because the small cast of characters is more dramatic. We need to find people in Hollywood and ask them: if a mid-term election was going to be a a movie, how would you do it?

    ...What else?

    The only thing that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do stuff that doesn't work

    by PatriotismOverProfits on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:21:04 AM PST

    •  how do we increase turnout in 2014? the prez (6+ / 0-)

      should make election reform his first priority & not this phoney fiscal cliff crap.

      by reforming the election process we will automatically increase the number of voters b/c it will be easier to register to vote & cast ballots.

    •  Make Congressmens terms 4 years (1+ / 0-)
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      Coincide with Presidential elections. Will go long way to solving
      GOTV.

    •  I think we need a real national (2+ / 0-)

      conversation in the summer of 2014. And that conversation could be held in every biggish town and on the net and over a town hall phone line at the same time. With real people leading the conversation and the participants able to "vote" electronically somehow on what they like and don't like about what the speakers propose. Then the candidates for congress, governorships, state legislatures can then, after the national meeting make their pitch for what they offer for their states.

      American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

      by glitterscale on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:43:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I like your idea. (0+ / 0-)

        But I think that we should expand it. Start early with conversations fight after New Years and in the Spring. Also have one in the Fall to organize and solidify the GOTV.

        "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

        by Stude Dude on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:52:52 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  You Strike At The Heart Of The Matter (2+ / 0-)
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      Basically we have to deal with the sporadic voter problem.  Like to see some polling done on who exactly these people are. Think your assumptions that the national focus on the one on one dynamic of the Presidential election is more attractive to sporadic voters than the inside baseball aspect of midterm congressional elections.

    •  Thanks for the responses (0+ / 0-)

      Remember, this isn't just about getting a better congress in 2014, it's also about putting pressure on congress right now.

      *There should be a "West Wing" style of show, only about congress. And a reality show about someone running for congress.

      The only thing that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do stuff that doesn't work

      by PatriotismOverProfits on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:43:40 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Today we honor veterans of military service - but (4+ / 0-)
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    that is not enough

    this post is a reflection of one who served during the time of a war he opposed, who believes that while we should honor those who wore the uniform we should not forget those who try to stop wars  

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:21:25 AM PST

  •  Someone on this site pointed out that most (13+ / 0-)

    Rethug congress critters have signed Grover's "no tax hikes" pledge but that Grover has not been elected to public office.

    IMHO we should keep hammering this point home--why should elected representatives do the bidding of a nonelected person?  That's not what they were elected for!

    Who wants to live in a Grover Norquist dictatorship?

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:29:18 AM PST

  •  Santorum 2016 - it's Rick's turn! (7+ / 0-)

    The GOP has been burned in 2008 and 2012 by nominating candidates who are not true conservatives, who do not actually and sincerely believe in the GOP platforms since 1980.  It is imperative for the GOP to nominate Rick Santorum in 2016 so that the voting public can get a clean shot at whether the GOP's core beliefs reflect what the American voters want.

    Then after little Ricky spreads his "santorum" from sea to shining sea, and loses big time, the GOP can begin rebuilding itself as a responsible "solutions-oriented" alternative political party, rather than a broken record of rewritten white-washed Reagan nostalgia sound bites.

    •  Can I start phone cranking for him today? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  I was just saying much the same thing to my (3+ / 0-)
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      friends yesterday.  The Republicans usually nominate the runner up from the last primary battle.

      McCain was runnerup in 2000, got the nomination 8 yrs later,. His runnerup was Mittens who of course got the nomination 4 years later. That would mean Man on Dog who was runner up to Dog On Roof would get it in 4 years.

      LOL, may it be true that we get crazy teahadist, radical, woman hating, gay hating,  minority hating,  basically  people hating Santorum.  Can you imagine ? Granted he would bring out the fundies in droves but the cool thing is I know some Evangelicals who said he is too extreme for them. I am not even sure he could win PA as we are not actually an Evangelical strong state..far from it.  
      We have a lot of catholic democrats actually up in Scranton and in Philly and Pittsburhg  suburbs too.

      I married one of those Catholic Democrats and dated a whole bunch of them in college and grad school too from the suburbs of PA.

      Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

      by wishingwell on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:46:54 AM PST

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    •  $5 sat Santorum gets tagged with child (0+ / 0-)

      molestation in the next 3 years.

      Something is severely not right with him and I think it's just a matter of time.

      Hardcore wingnut + hardcore religiousness = threat to nearby children.

      He's to physically weak to do the wife-beating thing so I think kids will be most at risk.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:12:23 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Rick is probably printing up bumper (0+ / 0-)

      stickers as we speak.

      I'm pretty sure he's interested in the job.

      At the same time, he lost Ohio and Michigan, with significant amounts of Catholic voters, to a robotic Mormon bishop.  

      Rick will need some serious cash next cycle -- and the intercession of divine entities.  

      And he should probably stop picking on John F. Kennedy, too.

  •  GOP moving forward (8+ / 0-)

    If one reviews the archives from the days following the 2008 election, the quotes from Republicans concerning what they needed to do moving forward as a party are almost identical to what they are saying now.  But rather than adapt and modify their policies to a changing world, Republicans ultimately decided that all they needed was a new salesman and a catchy new slogan to sell the same failed policies.

  •  The warm feeling lingers. This up there with (2+ / 0-)
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    getting someone to go to the prom with me (why did we start saying "go to prom" instead of "go to the prom" and "go to hospital" instead of "go to the hospital"?), watching my kid get born, finding out the lump in my neck was benign and having a girl friend long ago come back from living in California because she missed me.

  •  Furious assholes angry at their hemmerhoid. (4+ / 0-)

    Sorry for the imagery but it came to mind reading this first thing before coffee this morning.

    May Rove continue to be an inflamed, itching irritation to Republican donors for years to come. :-)

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:35:55 AM PST

  •  Doing something I don't recommend (5+ / 0-)

    Watching Fox News this morning. It's the "b" team Fox and Friends. Here's what they talked about: Angry folks without power on Long Island. General P's sex life (impressive) and Veterans Day. (not veterans benefits, mind you, just the holiday today) and then they repeated. Anything missing?...

    Obervations, the guy on the left side of the couch is really dumb and the woman in the middle is a humorless ideologue.

    Grim times for our Fox News watching wingnut pals. heh heh.

    Victory is sweet-November 6, 2012

    by al23 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:38:43 AM PST

  •  When Rush started using Redskins football outcomes (6+ / 0-)

    to guarantee a Romney win I knew they were in trouble.

  •  On Douthat: Checkers, anyone? (1+ / 0-)
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    Can't help but think of this, from Richard Nixon's famous 'Checkers' speech, 60 years ago:

    I should say this—that Pat doesn’t have a mink coat. But she does have a respectable Republican cloth coat. And I always tell her that she’d look good in anything.
    So -- what's a small government, individual freedom, cleave to the founders' vision kind of conservative to do in a world where health care has become a vastly over-priced tangle of monopolies and/or oligopolies designed to make your wallet sick while it makes you...maybe well, maybe not, but that's secondary, right?

    Or --- how can you promote the virtues of hard work and climbing up the ladder when people are actively chopping that ladder up and tossing it in the fireplace?

    Or, trying to give your kids a  better future when people are actively trying to destroy the land they'll live in, whether fracking for oil, leveling mountaintops for coal, etc?

    And -- seriously, the best you can do about the border is tell people they should have gotten their paperwork straight in the first place?  That's true enough, but...how do you call these people illegal after so many years of "wink, wink, now I'm going to walk away so you can keep working for this guy"?  It's not amnesty if you never enforced the law.  We can start today.  We should start today.  Mexico enforces its borders, we should be able to enforce ours. But those folks we invited in by our actions?  They are a special case.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:45:06 AM PST

  •  It's worth watching ... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... to see whether disgraced columnists such as Douthat and Parker will lose position after their disastrous performance during this election. Theirs isn't just a credibility gap, it's a yawning chasm of willful misinformation, utter denial of reality and general incompetence.

  •  Mark Halperin famously said in 2008 (9+ / 0-)

    This is good news for John McCain.

    And then in 2012, the day before the election, someone mentioned that as Joe Scarborough and Mark Halperin were echoing Karl Rove and other republicans who were predicting a Romney win, that not only did they ridicule Nate Silver's numbers, but that Halperin said -

    Karl Rove is a genius.

  •  Kristol: 'Defeat is liberating'.....in the mean (1+ / 0-)
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    time......get that bubble repaired posthaste!

  •  Since we officially outnumber them... (0+ / 0-)

    can we please start referring to the Republicans as the "white elite?"

    The reverse formulation worked fine for the GOP for 40 years.  I say it is now ours for the taking.

    Down with the White Elite!

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:56:57 AM PST

  •  GOP do you really want to fix your image? (5+ / 0-)
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    Hey GOP!
    Do you really want to start working on fixing what went wrong in 2012? Here is a good place to start.

    - Throw out your Party Platform and start over from scratch!
    - Toss out of the party anyone that has ever worn at "tri-corner" hat. (note: Revolutionary Recreationists are excluded)
    - Clean out your stable of pundits starting with Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Dick (you know who), and anyone that has ever put the "hate" on when talking about Obama. This goes to fixing your image now.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:58:06 AM PST

  •  much of daily kos, for that matter, agrees (0+ / 0-)
    There is something supremely cynical about the notion among Republican conservatives that they could use their ability to make unlimited contributions to “super PACs” and shadowy social-welfare groups to buy an election. It views voters as a flock of sheep, easily hypnotized by misleading ads, willing to believe whatever wealthy industrialists tell them about taxes, jobs and health care.
    the same applies to those that say elections can be bought and therefore we need campaign finance reform that will cap spending.  both the conservative belief in the power of money and the progressive belief in the need for regulation presuppose a stupid malleable electorate that can be swayed to any side of an issue just with enough ads.
  •  So let me get this straight (1+ / 0-)
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    According to Ross Douthat....

    The only thing the Republicans need to do is...Wash rinse, repeat. GOP 3.0. Appeal to some Latinos, but ignore the blacks, Asian Americans and Native Americans and everything will be Ok.

    No need to put ~Rush in line, Trump, tone down the birthers, racists or the tea party crowd

    Nice..

    This is our moment...this is our time! President Barack Obama

    by ankae on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:15:55 AM PST

  •  Rove really seemed surprised (2+ / 0-)
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    Which he should not have been as the polls had been in favor of Obama most of the election - he should have been prepared for this result, but obviously he was not.

    So did he really believe the BS about the effects of voter suppression, ORCA, white turnout being superior, etc?  Did he really think they were ahead?

    Or did he think that that software patch in the OH tabulating machines was going to turn in his favor?  I hope I don't get into CT trouble, but given everything else that the Rs have tried I would not put it past them.  Is it possible that OFA had already managed to neutralize it, which is why their lawyers were keeping silent?

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:16:24 AM PST

  •  Rove is just scared (6+ / 0-)

    Now he'll have to get a real job. But with no marketable skills and pretty thoroughly disliked by both sides, it's not going to be easy. What's a "political genius" to do?

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:27:51 AM PST

  •  Conservativism = lies (7+ / 0-)
    Because Romney never understood conservatism, he could never explain to swing voters how a limited-government philosophy could make the country more secure and their lives better.
    Of course Romney couldn't explain it because no one can because limited-government doesn't do anything except leave our economy open to devastation by the greedy from within, our cities and infrastructure vulnerable to natural disasters, our schools crumbling, our young people uneducated, our natural resources looted, and on and on.
  •  Breaking Nooz......Allen West is still OUT and (5+ / 0-)

    Franco is still dead........that is all.

  •  George Will (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm actually going to watch his pompous bloviating this morning just to hear him explain what happened to those 321 electoral votes he said Mittens was going to win.

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:43:52 AM PST

  •  I think a lot more money was wasted (9+ / 0-)

    than we realize, or than we will see accounted for

    The Rs have spent 4 years demonizing everything that Obama does in the media.  Don't you think that has cost them?  How much have they been spending either in advertising or by simply own media channels to get across their message?

    They funded the tea party movement.  That can't have been cheap, and it paid off some in the mid-terms

    They have been giving money to ALEC, which resulted in all those voter suppression laws...  after all, the PA governor boasted that his state was going to Romney!

    More money was spent than we may know.

    We really deserve some credit, comrades.

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:44:09 AM PST

  •  Reality (4+ / 0-)

    This election is easy to sum up for me.  When our President underperformed in the first debate, we did not retreat into a bubble and make excuses.  We expected more, and then we got it.  When Romney misfired in debate two, the right (wrongly) retreated into their bubble.  They stayed there until 11:15 pm 11/6.  Pop.  For those that compare FOX and MSNBC as opposite equivalents, compare how they responded to missteps.  Reality.

  •  Hit Karl HARD on this. (1+ / 0-)
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    Hit him so hard, that the Republicans begin to DEFEND him from US.

    THEN, Karl will repeat his massive failure in 2014.

    It's ALL good.


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:47:35 AM PST

  •  Funny. (0+ / 0-)

    Using "Kathleen Parker" and "wisdom" in the same sentence - very funny.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:52:54 AM PST

  •  Stupidest column I read this morning (13+ / 0-)
    Both men should rise to the moment. President Obama should ask Romney to present the nation with a bipartisan plan to solve the deficit in the long term while promoting growth in the short term. And Romney should accept.

    Romney has impressed Democrats and Republicans alike with his serious demeanor and his intellect. His success as a business leader launched his political career, and he showed in Massachusetts how a Republican can work with Democrats.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    Serious demeanor? Intellect? Romney??
    Barack watches the debate

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:58:32 AM PST

  •  Let's not fool ourselves........... (2+ / 0-)
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    All it takes to get the greedy sociopaths, and the racist troglodytes, and the religious nuts, and the radical states-rights whackos, and the fiscal fascists together, is one decent looking, charismatic Daddy-dick.

    Does the name "Reagan" ring any bells?


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:58:51 AM PST

  •  Paging Jennifer Rubin (2+ / 0-)
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    Where has she been -- hopefully gone forever -- was there ever a worse hack on the planet?

  •  Great round-up for Sunday morning, Mark! (2+ / 0-)
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    I can't stop smiling this week.
    But while all the pundits are pointing fingers, have you read one column saying "I was wrong."?
    I haven't.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:09:01 AM PST

  •  Republican Understanding Of People (3+ / 0-)
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    Convinces them that Americans love being yelled at and told they suck. I'm assuming this sort of bad parenting comes to the GOP via the Evangelicals who if nothing else are in the faces of everyone all the time telling them that anything they don't agree with is an instant ticket to live inside a fire cave for eternity. They wonder why this tactic doesn't work?

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:10:32 AM PST

  •  Karl Rove's math: (2+ / 0-)
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    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:41:41 AM PST

  •  People who can afford to pay $500 million (1+ / 0-)
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    to buy an election, which for them was mere pocket change (see: Koch Bros., Sheldon Adelson, etc.), then they can damn well afford to pay higher taxes to the US treasury!

    Don't tell me they are "job creators" and need the money. Don't tell me it will "hurt their business". Bullshit. Pay up boys. Pay up to the nation that allowed you to gather such tremendous wealth. After all, you can't take it with you!

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:18:34 AM PST

  •  Well, Romney did come within a few points... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...of winning the presidency of the confederacy.  I'm glad we denied him that, too.  I could see him running around trying to be Jefferson Davis had he succeeded in that quest.

    GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

    by LordMike on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:23:34 AM PST

  •  Meet the Press is a joke (1+ / 0-)
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    annieli

    Sorry, NBC you can not have Jim Cramer host an ESPN style scream fest, touting nonsense at the top of his lungs, and then bring him in on Sunday to play the economic expert.

    And Doris Kearns Goodwin things that cocktail parties can fix the mess we're in.

    Jesus Christ I hat our news media.

    "Unrestricted immigration is a dangerous thing -- look at what happened to the Iroquois." Garrison Keillor

    by Spider Stumbled on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:36:58 AM PST

  •  Lindsey Graham-cracker on FTN (0+ / 0-)

    equates Benghazi to Watergate and Iran Contra...insists on congressional investigations of that magnitude in order to get to the bottom of it.

    which stage of grief might he be suffering?

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:08:49 AM PST

  •  government of your choice (0+ / 0-)

    In Samuel R. Delany's 60s novel Trouble on Triton, we each get to be ruled by the government we voted for.  Imagine the consequences of that for 95% of the Romney voters.  We just saved them from themselves ;)

  •  A salute for this line alone: (0+ / 0-)
    The difference between Karl Rove and Charles Ponzi? Ponzi didn't have a camera focused on him when the scheme fell apart.
    Brilliant.

    "The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion." - Bodhidharma

    by hopesprings on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:31:26 AM PST

  •  DEM Gloating, much like republican Greed is good ! (0+ / 0-)

    Memo fom the desk of : G.G.     Heheheheee

    "Round up the usual suspects"

    by NanaoKnows on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 08:35:15 AM PST

  •  Had to throw up when reading Dowd's column. (0+ / 0-)

    According to her Obama had essentially nothing to do with his reelection. He was simply around for the ride, lucky enough to get a seat. The Queen of Snark retains her title.

    •  NoMo MoDo? (0+ / 0-)

      She has a turn of phrase but never enlightens.  Plus she's written two consecutive columns without mentioning them, so you know that her next has to be a return to her obsession -- stalking the Clintons.  

      When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick." ~ Mikhail Bakunin

      by Sick Semper on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 10:53:27 AM PST

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  •  This "pundit roundup" misses the point! (1+ / 0-)
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    Sleepwalkr

    As an explicit example, it says that the republicans need to change their economic "messaging" to appeal across demographic lines.  UGGH!  This falls right in to the republican trap.  

    As I recently wrote to the Diane Rehm Show (who knows if that "fair and balanced" pundit received it or read it):

    "I think it's hilarious that republicans continue to characterize their dilemma as a demographic or messaging issue.  Interpreted correctly, republicans are saying that, if they can just find the right combination of lies and subterfuge to convince minorities, the poor and middle class, to vote against their own best interests - if they could only find a way LOOK LIKE the party who cares about voters - then they will win elections.

    "The real dilemma for republicans is that their values are irreconcilable with the interests of the poor and middle class.  The genuine characterization of the dilemma that the republican party faces is two fold: (1) ever since Nixon's "Southern Strategy," bigotry is the glue that holds the republican party together, and (2) republicans continue to cling to the demonstrably failed and incompetent supply side/trickle down economic view in which republicans serve the interests of the rich and exploit the poor and middle class.  The values of the Democratic party put the interests of public health, safety and welfare, consumer rights and labor rights above the interests of corporate profits and CEO bonuses and salaries.  Republican values put the interest of corporate profits and CEO bonuses and salaries above all other interests."

  •  SHorter Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    "Say, ladies, why you gettin' all rapey up in here?"

    E Pluribus Unum does NOT mean "every man for himself"

    by Daddy Love on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:56:11 PM PST

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