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In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.
New Jersey,
New York,
North Carolina,
North Dakota,
South Carolina,
Tennessee and
The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."
Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

At first I was speechless. Then I wondered how this isn't treason. Now mixed bag of, why is this news worthy (It is a large #, but we know plenty of crazies), what exactly would you get the President to do? We counted your votes, you lost?

Michael E from Slidell, LA created the petition on Nov. 7, the day after President Barack Obama was re-elected to office. Now, just four days later, he has 3,029 signatures of support from fellow Louisianans and other supporters from surrounding states.

Residents of Texas joined suit on Friday and created their own petition which currently has more than 5,000 signatures.

“The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending,” the petition reads. “Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”

Apparently 1/5 people might think it's not so crazy: 2008 Zogby International poll revealed that 22% of Americans believed that "any state or region has the right to peaceably secede and become an independent republic.

Some more below Squiggly


Texas Republican Not as nice:

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."
From his newsletter.

I don't know if blogged on, it's a bit too sick for me to look up. I just hope someone has a spin, like all this money created this anti-democratic anti technocrat (ironicallly using technology). And we should ignore? Or should we not? I thought it was a mistake to ignore the growing rhetoric in 08. I wrote John Conyers (I think him) as I respected he said something. This is it an offshoot? Just hate? Youre life is better than 4 years ago, you can't wait 4 more? We sat through 8 years of Bush, we probably joked about moving to Canada, but I still recognized he was unfortunately my president (legitmately in 04 I hope).

I just can't believe we are fighting the same battle, under the shroud of democracy, on the heels of a democratic dirverse turnout.

Might look into more to see who behind, but I almost dropped my mug. Don't know how much thought it should be given (I assume some, that is enough ppl to disturb).

Guess they lose the "Patriotic" brand.

Ok, it ultimately made me curious. As it's not a big Con Law issue "succession?"

To expand on below. Apparently the pentultimate case is Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869.

The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction on cases in which a state is a party.

In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"


The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
Obligations were created by the Constitution in its grant of the power to suppress insurrections and the responsibility to insure for every state a republican form of government

 From the decision:

The authority for the performance of the first had been found in the power to suppress insurrection and carry on war; for the performance of the second, authority was derived from the obligation of the United States to guarantee to every State in the Union a republican form of government. The latter, indeed, in the case of a rebellion which involves the government of a State and for the time excludes the National authority from its limits, seems to be a necessary complement to the former.
Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation
The Declaration of Independence states:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness[3]

Historian Pauline Maier argues that this sentence
"asserted one right, the right of revolution, which was, after all, the right Americans were exercising in 1776." The chosen language was Thomas Jefferson’s way of incorporating ideas “explained at greater length by a long list of seventeenth-century writers that included such prominent figures as John Milton, Algernon Sidney, and John Locke, as well as a host of others, English and Scottish, familiar and obscure, who continued and, in some measure, developed that ‘Whig’ tradition in the eighteenth century
Maier, Pauline (1997). American Scripture: Making the Declaration of Independence. Knopf. ISBN 0-679-45492-6

CIVIL WAR: (Some interesting comparisons, Presidential timing, idea of class, brief would love to get more into how I imagine many see White Men losing control, as "not American"

Initially, secessionists hoped for a peaceful departure, including all slave-holding states in the Union. Moderates in the Confederate Constitutional Convention included a provision against importation of slaves from Africa to appeal to the Upper South. Non-slave states might join, but the radicals secured a two-thirds hurdle for them
Thomas, Emory T., "The Confederate Nation: 1861–1865" 1979. ISBN 0-06-090703-7 Chapter 3. "Foundations of the Southern Nation".

The Southern States "Declaration Causes"

Emory Thomas:

The Southern nation was by turns a guileless people attacked by a voracious neighbor, an 'established' nation in some temporary difficulty, a collection of bucolic aristocrats making a romantic stand against the banalities of industrial democracy, a cabal of commercial farmers seeking to make a pawn of King Cotton, an apotheosis of nineteenth-century nationalism and revolutionary liberalism, or the ultimate statement of social and economic reaction.
Historian Drew Gilpin Faust observed that
"leaders of the secession movement across the South cited slavery as the most compelling reason for southern independence.
Murrin, John (2001). Liberty, Equality, Power. p. 1000. ISBN 0-495-09176-6.

Although this may seem strange, given that the majority of white Southerners did not own slaves, virtually every white Southerner supported slavery because he did not want to be at the bottom of the social ladderr

The immediate spark for secession came from the victory of the Republican Party and the election of Abraham Lincoln in the 1860 elections. Civil War historian James M. McPherson wrote:

   To southerners the election’s most ominous feature was the magnitude of Republican victory north of the 41st parallel. Lincoln won more than 60 percent of the vote in that region, losing scarcely two dozen counties. Three-quarters of the Republican congressmen and senators in the next Congress would represent this "Yankee" and antislavery portion of the free states. The New Orleans Crescent saw these facts as "full of portentous significance". "The idle canvas prattle about Northern conservatism may now be dismissed," agreed the Richmond Examiner. "A party founded on the single sentiment... of hatred of African slavery, is now the controlling power." No one could any longer "be deluded... that the Black Republican party is a moderate" party, pronounced the New Orleans Delta. "It is in fact, essentially, a revolutionary party."
McPherson, James M. (2007). This mighty scourge: perspectives on the Civil War. Oxford University Press US. p. 65. ISBN 978-0-19-531366-6.

Sound familiar, not wanting to be at bottom of social ladder, on heals of election?


Allen Buchanan (Philosopher) on utilizing threat to gain other goals:

Until quite recently secession has been a neglected topic among philosophers. Two factors may explain why philosophers have now begun to turn their attention to secession. First, in the past decade there has been a great increase not only in the number of attempted secessions, but also in successful secessions, and philosophers may simply be reacting to this new reality, attempting to make normative sense of it. Second, in the same decade the idea that there is a strong case for some form of self-government for groups presently contained within states has gained ground. Once one begins to take seriously the case for special group rights for minorities — especially if these include rights of self-government — it is difficult to avoid the question of whether some such groups may be entitled to full independence.
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  •  This is what's called fair-weather citizenship (4+ / 0-)
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    •  The legal history stuff is interesting (0+ / 0-)

      but I'm interested in the moral/ethical aspect of this.  This seems genuinely dangerous.  It's not just that isolated shouting and protesting.  This is being legitimized through the process of an institutional response and coverage in the press.  

  •  The white house will comment on petition: (7+ / 0-)
    A petition for Texas to secede from the union, submitted to the White House, reached the number of signatures needed to draw comment from the Obama administration today.

    The petition appeared on a section of the White House website called "We the People" that invites users with a U.S. zip code to submit or sign petitions about policy changes they would like to see. A petition must reach 25,000 signatures within 30 days for the administration to comment on it.

    By the way, the petitions aren't limited to people of the state:  so it's not as if 23,000 texans signed it.  It's 23,000 nationally signed it for texas.  It's probably the same idiots on every petition.

    One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

    by Inland on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:45:25 AM PST

    •  Well hopefully when the WH responds they (2+ / 0-)
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      BlueDragon, DarkLadyNyara

      will point out that all citizens of TX will lose their medicare, all social security benefits and anything they have paid into it to date as well as all federal aid to the state.

      These dumbasses seldom look at the big picture and think through the consequence.

      Visit The Inoculation Project on Sunday morning and support science and math projects in red state classrooms!

      by nervousnellie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:54:29 AM PST

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      •  Well, I hope not: (2+ / 0-)
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        I would hope that the white house response is that it believes in the United States, as do all patriotic Texans, regardless of who they supported in the last election.

        Bringing up how much Texans would lose only works if there is a possibility of secession.   Bringing up that even asking for secession is unpatriotic gets them to shut up.

        One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

        by Inland on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:13:33 AM PST

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        •  Contrariwise, I hope the response contains these (0+ / 0-)


          - that the Union is NOT divisible, many Americans died both trying it and trying to prevent it, and the secessionists LOST;

          - that the States ARE NOT SOVEREIGN, and HAVE NOT BEEN since that time (at least), but have been indulged since then at great cost to the public welfare - and for no good reason;

          - that we'll have no more of this secession-and-sovereignty nonsense going forward, thankyouverymuch.

          This year, I'm doing something I've never done before - I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket

          by chmood on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 01:02:43 PM PST

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      •  Not Sure You Need any More Response (3+ / 0-)
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        Than a link to one of the many for-profit websites that will help anyone expatriate if they want to.

        Trying to argue for these folks to stay just gives them an importance they don't actually possess.

    •  The "response" (1+ / 0-)
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      ..should consist wholly of a derisively raised middle finger

      Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

      by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:43:21 AM PST

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  •  The funniest are the ones from blue states (4+ / 0-)

    Perhaps the New Yorkers who are unhappy their state went Democratic should consider personally seceding from New York and moving to Arizona. The last time NY went red was in 1984 so maybe they're just living in the wrong state.

  •  I would bet that at least 10,000 of those (4+ / 0-)
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    BlueDragon, Hushes, DarkLadyNyara, llywrch

    23,000 signatures came from 4chan.

    Whose interest does ignorance serve? - Carl Sagan

    by spgilbert on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:50:38 AM PST

  •  Tax raisers are socialist? (0+ / 0-)

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:51:06 AM PST

  •  Gov. Goodhair of Texas comments (0+ / 0-)
    Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it. But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper. We cannot allow Washington’s tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children’s future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government.
  •  25,000 out of 25,000,000 equals 0.1 per cent (6+ / 0-)

    of all Texans.  Most of them are not really secessionists, and guess what?  Obama really won't say, "go ahead, Texas, seceed.  See 'ya".

    If they left, the USA would have to take the Houston Space Center back and relocate it.  They would have to close and relocate Lackland Air Force Base.  They would have to strip out all of the Federal facilities, Post Offices, cut funding for highways, airports, Air Traffic Control Centers, lay off all the air traffic controllers, cut off federal housing and school funding programs, end block grants, end FEMA assistance when hurricanes or floods strike, abandon the border patrol between Mexico and Texas, cut research funding to Texas universities, and who knows what else?

    I don't think 99.9 per cent of Texans really want to seceed.

    Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

    by Ohiodem1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:55:16 AM PST

  •  Dingbats in 20 states petition for secession. (4+ / 0-)

    Seriously they should be shamed and derided for the un-American, un-patriotic posturing at a time when our troops are still over there trying to finish up the war their guys (gop) bungled.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:58:23 AM PST

  •  States are not petitioning (15+ / 0-)

    The diary title is a wee-bit misleading as there are no states petitioning for secession (check your spelling, too).  People adding their names to website petitions is something a bit different, no?

    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

    by winsock on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:58:46 AM PST

    •  The title is terribly misleading (8+ / 0-)

      No state has petitioned for secession. The title implies that state legislative action in the style of 1860-61 has been taken, which is wrong.

      •  yes, and it would be far more effective (1+ / 0-)
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        to note that anyone from any state can sign these petitions.

        more like:

        crazies are creating petitions state secession on behalf of twenty states

        i used to think secession was an evil idea, but am more and more convinced that local control could lead to secession and that might not be a bad thing.  of course, the usa would no longer be a world power.

        texas is welcome to go.

        i'm moving back to california if this takes off and they will take me as i am vested in the state teachers retirement system.

        california could be a more beautiful place if we didn't have to send our tax dollars to dc to pay for wars

        i'm not arguing for this mind you, i am just recording the change in my thinking.

        the red states will go way poor if they secede as we send them more tax dollars than they send us.

        good riddance.

        there would be a problem driving across the continent though.

        planes and trains would be the way to go for protection.

        Donate to Occupy Wall Street here:

        by BlueDragon on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:38:47 AM PST

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      •  Yes - misleading title (1+ / 0-)
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        This is a bunch of nutters who make up a tiny fraction of the population - not official positions taken by state governments.

        Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

        by bear83 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:42:10 AM PST

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    •  There's the irony: (2+ / 0-)
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      winsock, llywrch

      the people ask that the state being allowed to leave but the state has no interest in it.

      One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

      by Inland on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:23:20 AM PST

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    •  Change "States" --> "Dumb Fucks" n/t (3+ / 0-)
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  •  This could be a great opportunity for the US to (1+ / 0-)
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    "fire" those states that cost the federal govt. the most.  Taxes minus expenses.  Hell, this is where we need Mitt Romney as President!

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:01:44 AM PST

  •  I don't want to argue about treason but this (0+ / 0-)

    constitutes treason IMO and their free speech is limited when you start talking secession.   Give me liberty or give me death ?   American..The United STATES of America is supposed to stand for Freedom.. Your call dudes and dudettes.   Try them for treason. Send them into exile.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:05:35 AM PST

  •  Misleading title is misleading (4+ / 0-)
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    winsock, koseighty, bear83, FloridaSNMOM

    There's no way the petition for Kentucky was file by the Governor. These are fringe loonies in those states and quite possibly by people that don't even live in them.

    This is sensationalist at best.

    •  Even Rick Perry... (0+ / 0-)

      ...who did call for secession last year, is being real mute on this one.  Guess he's afraid if he were to say it now, he might be taken seriously by the WH and that wouldn't be good.

      Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power -- Benito Mussolini

      by drcraigphd on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:20:15 AM PST

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  •  Love it or leave it right? LEAVE.. (0+ / 0-)

    these people do not have the right to try and destroy a country and my children's future. one is holding you here.  WE ARE a country in a declared war..Just go and don't look back !  when talk of secession is discussed there is not consitution to protect you anymore !

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:08:25 AM PST

  •  Oh Well, we get Yosemite, they get (2+ / 0-)
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    We get Harvard and MIT

    They get Ole Miss

    We get Broadway, Hollywood

    They get NASCAR and SEC football

    I can live with that.

  •  lol in response (3+ / 0-)

    Whose interest does ignorance serve? - Carl Sagan

    by spgilbert on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:24:37 AM PST

  •  Petitions Need to Be Filed With Their State Gov's. (1+ / 0-)
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    Leaving aside Obama's magical powers to single-handedly release a state, how can he know that Chad and Heather Teabag speak authoritatively for the state of New Jersey?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:28:41 AM PST

  •  Don't Worry about NY (0+ / 0-)

    I think we'll probably stay part of the Union. And we'll probably keep paying in more than we get back.

    But thats ok- its for the good of our country.

  •  one word -racism (2+ / 0-)
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    BlueDragon, dennis1958

    Alabama - deep south
    Arkansas - deep south
    Colorado - 88% white
    Florida - deep south
    Georgia - deep south
    Indiana - center of KKK resurgence in 20's
    Kentucky - south
    Louisiana - deep south
    Michigan - 80% white
    Mississippi - deep south
    Missouri - 84% white
    Montana - 90% white
    New Jersey - Chris Chrisite
    New York - a bunch of whack jobs who are not representative of the state as a whole
    North Carolina - deep south
    North Dakota - 90% white
    Oregon - 89% white
    South Carolina - deep south
    Tennessee - deep south
    Texas - deep south

    just sayin'.....

    OK. And now we begin the part of the show where we pull out individual words and phrases of the commenter to try to determine the "real" meaning of the comment.... let the games begin.

    by hillbrook green on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:37:27 AM PST

    •  NO! (0+ / 0-)

      The descirption you give for NY applies to all.

      a bunch of whack jobs who are not representative of the state as a whole

      Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

      by ZenTrainer on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:51:30 AM PST

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      •  It might apply (0+ / 0-)

        to all of the states with regard to the question of who is initiating and "voting" for these these "petitions", however there is no denying that a broad and vast current of racism pervades the south and middle states of this country. They are white people who are angry and afraid of the "Kenyan" president.... and "brown" people and "red" people and "yellow" people.... In fact anybody who is "different" in skin color.

        It doesn't take a majority to influence the vote of a state. It only takes a majority of voters.

        There are only two types of Republicans:


        and those who are willing to be associated with racists.

        OK. And now we begin the part of the show where we pull out individual words and phrases of the commenter to try to determine the "real" meaning of the comment.... let the games begin.

        by hillbrook green on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:04:25 AM PST

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  •  Texas has a "balanced budget" (1+ / 0-)
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    Would it remain balanced if it had to go without federal funding and pay for all of its infrastructure, etc.?

    The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Hazlitt

    by rfahey22 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:48:53 AM PST

  •  I remember in East Lansing MI during (2+ / 0-)
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    llywrch, Vetwife

    the Vietnam War 3 houses (full of MSU students) suceeded from the Union. It was fun until they started to have to show passports to leave the house.

    Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

    by ZenTrainer on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:54:43 AM PST

  •  So much bashing here. No solutions? (1+ / 0-)
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    As it happens I live in Texas. I desperately wanted us to secede from George W. Bush when he ruled from Austin, not to mention when he lollygagged in DC.

    No go.

    Years on this site of seeing self-satisfied "better than yous" bashing the South for racism ... but funnily enough not wanting to talk about the ghettos in New York or Chicago or LA, 'cause those are all in nice "blue" states.

    So this is just another excuse to make the "better than yous" feel good about themselves and "lord it over" Southerners. Waste of time and electrons.

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 08:58:27 AM PST

  •  No states have petioned for seccession (2+ / 0-)
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    The AP headline writer is a moron

    These petitions can be started by anyone and "signed" by anyone, all it takes is an e-mail address and a name (even a fake one).

  •  Irrational believers Secede America from USA (0+ / 0-)
    These dumb Fucks think they are taking America out of the USA as only they are the American patriots when in fact they are America's enemies.
  •  My cousin, the physicist, just posted this on FB: (4+ / 0-)
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    "Funny how everytime a skinny liberal from Illinois is elected President, Southerners try to secede."

    Hysterical. . .

    “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi

    by Jaxpagan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:01:39 AM PST

  •  I thought all these people who claim to love (0+ / 0-)

    their country, were talking about the United States of America.

    The country we all live in, and that has a dominant two-party system of government, and a Constitution that clearly enumerates how that government is supposed to work.

    In the two-party system of government that we currently have, one party is almost always likely to have the majority over the other one.  The majorities and minorities shift from election to election, but that's the way it works.  If your party is in the minority, you deal with it and strategize how to get back into the majority next time around.  And in the meantime, both parties work together to figure out how to solve problems.  That's the American way.

    Are all these people requesting secession now saying that they don't like the American way?  That they don't love this America?  This America that their fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers fought for in World Wars I and II?  Because we are still the very same America that those people fought for.  Nothing has changed.  Nothing--- except for a resurgence of racism, xenophobia and ignorance in our public discourse.  

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:09:02 AM PST

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    We fought the bloodiest war this country has ever seen over this.  I don't know about the rest of you but I'm not about to entertain a moment of this nonsense.  Talk about poor losers.  They didn't get what they wanted so now they want to start their own country.  Crazy.

  •  split the difference and give the South to these (0+ / 0-)

    'baggers, cut off their Federal $ and say bye bye

    New Jersey,
    New York,

    North Carolina,
    North Dakota,
    South Carolina,
    Tennessee and

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:21:32 AM PST

  •  If you actually look at the signatures (0+ / 0-)

    Texas is about the only one that actually has the majority of signatories from that state. Nevada, from the sample I did yesterday only had one, the person who started the petition. NY had 6/16 who were from New York. Most of the other states were similar. I also saw a LOT of double signing (signing in more than one state) and I only looked at the first 16 signatures in each state.  Texas only had 2 from out of state and/or no location in the first 16 signatures. Either way it's such a small percentage of the population... Texas has over 25 million residents for example. Even if all of the signatories were from Texas it wouldn't be enough to even come close to a Statewide vote for secession. Once again, this is much ado about nothing. This is a small group of people who are making a lot of noise to seem larger.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:16:20 AM PST

  •  It's a long shot to be sure. I think they'd be (0+ / 0-)

    better served by holding a convention some place and crowning Ted Nugent the President of Real America™.

  •  If GA leaves, can someone please send (2+ / 0-)
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    FloridaSNMOM, Vetwife

    a rescue mission for us Progressive Liberals who are living here?

    “To the world you may be just one person, but to one person you may be the world.”-Brandi Snyder (in memory of my Nick)

    by YellowDogInGA on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:59:29 AM PST

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