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Secession? Nullification? State's Rights? Didn't we have this argument once before?

The Confederacy failed to win independence but succeeded in preserving a system of economic peonage for another hundred years. A murdered President, 600,000 dead American soldiers and god-knows-how many civilian casualties couldn't guarantee the freedom of African-Americans against one hundred years of Jim Crow segregation and KKK terror.

Those who marched for civil rights for African Americans, Latinos, women and LGBT's carried on that struggle. The latest round of right-wing voter suppression makes it clear that the gains we have won can only be assured by further struggle.

And now, "progressives" on this website are telling us to just abandon them?

The civil rights struggle has come full circle since 1964. On November 6th huge crowds of peaceful demonstrators marched to the ballot box in the face of quasi-legal obstacles and outright harassment. We won! A few Neo-Confederate lunatics start whining about seceding and some folks in this community are suggesting that we just roll over and let the racist haters steal our victory.

I thought we had gotten past the whole "spineless liberal" thing.

I guess not.

Would a secessionist government in Mississippi or South Carolina have any hesitation to crush the rights of minorities? An independent nation of Texas, "governed" by teabaggers unrestrained by the Federal Government isn't going to "turn blue".

Assuming that Latinos would be freely allowed to vote in the Republic of Texas is a huge leap of faith. Yes, population pressure can change the direction of a nation's policies, but peaceful, democratic regime change is never a sure thing. Civil war and ethnic cleansing are just as likely. Mexico isn't likely to sit idly by when the Republic of Texas goes the way of Yugoslavia. When San Antonio becomes the next Sarajevo and a Latin American coalition moves in to enforce curfews, checkpoints and a "green line", whose side are we on?

No, I don't want to go there. If the loonies in Texas were to attempt to secede, they would likely be followed by several other states. We cannot abandon the loyal citizens who remain in those states just because some Bible-thumping chimps threw a tantrum.

The shit-birds who are presently chirping about secession are a tiny minority, but that is certainly no reason to encourage them. Not even in jest. If you find that entertaining, perhaps you'd enjoy some video of Klansmen shitting on the graves of Lincoln and Dr. King. A real laugh riot, eh? When you're done giggling, send a nice card to the Schwerner, Goodman and Chaney families and tell them that their boys died for nothing.

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  •  They hate America and Democracy (4+ / 0-)

    After a free election they want to secede from the country because they don't like the result? Sore losers. Your guy lost, deal with it, and if you don't like how democracy works, then leave, we'll be better off without people living here who hate America.

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:13:42 PM PST

  •  This is all just bull crap. (3+ / 0-)
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    MikePhoenix, ruleoflaw, OooSillyMe

    Along with the generals scandal all this does is take our eyes off the real ball game which is Social Security and the budget.  It's just blather.  The states aren't going anywhere.  They are like the I'm going to Canada crowd which is similar to the voter fraud nonsense.  There is no significant voter fraud and clearly no mass exodus to CA has ever been recorded except by the draft resisters (not dodgers) who left in the 60s-70s and most of them hurried home they were pardoned.  

    Nothing personal Rule.  The diary is interesting but lets try to stay focused on real issues shall we.  

    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:39:18 PM PST

    •  Couldn't agree more about Social Security, etc. (1+ / 0-)
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      Mike Kahlow

      I'm sure you won't mind if I add jobs, infrastructure, public education and global climate change to the list of what we need to deal with.

      This is a "real issue."
      The fraud of "voter fraud" is a disinformation strategy to deny people of their right to vote. It's a foot in the door to apartheid and from there, a step backward to "separate but equal" schools and segregated public accommodations. Voter suppression has been around as long as poll taxes & lynching and if we don't fight it, we lose. A 'Republic of Texas" with no minimum wage laws, no OSHA and no civil rights protections is a Koch Brothers wet dream.

      Secession talk is blather now. But the right wing noise machine is going to pick it up someday for leverage and threats in their short-term strategy. The teabaggers own them now. Don't underestimate the hateful craziness in these people. We shouldn't even joke about it. It's not funny. It is also not impossible. It's happened before.

      If haters want to leave the USA, fine. Just go to Somalia, fine. But nobody gets to take the land and the workers with them when they leave. 40 years ago, outsourcing jobs to "Red China" was an outlandish, insane, traitorous proposition. Then it happened because people thought it would never happen and did nothing to stop it.

      I started with nothing and still have most of it left. - Seasick Steve

      by ruleoflaw on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:13:53 AM PST

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  •  After we lose the Voting Rights Act, (4+ / 0-)

    can we really pretend that the rest of the country is protecting minorities in the slave states?

  •  Reading all of this lunacy (1+ / 0-)
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    ruleoflaw

    kinda makes me think they learned nothing after Sherman marched on Atlanta...

    "There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result." - Winston Churchill

    by Dingodude on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:03:01 AM PST

  •  Very well said, ruleoflaw. /nt (2+ / 0-)
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    ruleoflaw, Mike Kahlow
  •  Surely these secessionists (0+ / 0-)

    will be scrutinized and purged from voter lists pertaining to a national elections in the future.

    "Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made." Immanuel Kant

    by Rented Mule on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:56:51 AM PST

  •  Secession was a Q on candidate survey (0+ / 0-)

    received by my wife in her Assembly run, sent by the "Wisconsin Gun Owners Inc.".

    They started with questions about concealed carry, went on to questions about whether she, if elected to the state legislature, would support

    * State law enforcement arresting and imprisoning federal law enforcement agents attempting to carry out federal law in Wisconsin

    * Nullification of federal laws in the state of Wisconsin

    * And, if all else fails, Wisconsin's secession from the Union.

    Our jaws both hit the table. SECESSION? Really?

    That candidate survey went in to the NFW (No ... Way) file, along with the one that asked whether she would support the banning of hormonal birth control.

    Her republican incumbent opponent filled out the survey and was endorsed by that group.

    •  And here we go with nullification... (1+ / 0-)
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      ruleoflaw

      in my morning news feed here in Wisconsin:

      9 lawmakers want to charge U.S. officials who implement Obamacare

      As Gov. Scott Walker contemplates whether to create a state health care exchange under Obamacare, he will have to contend in the coming legislative session with nine lawmakers who have said they back a bill to arrest any federal officials who try to implement the health care law.

      Eight of the nine Republicans also have gone on record saying they also want to write a law that would see airport screeners charged with sexual assault if they conduct overly invasive pat-downs of passengers going through security.

      Our incoming Assembly Speaker, Robin Vos, has said he "has no position" on nullification. Vos - you dumb sh*t - "No position" is not an option. You and I (I'm a county supervisor) have had to take an oath of office
      I, ...., swear (or affirm) that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of the office of .... to the best of my ability.
      What - don't these words mean anything to you?

      My wife's ancestors fought with the Iron Brigade in the Civil War to preserve this Nation. Why do these republicans hate this country so much?

      Thanks for the diary, RoL.

  •  So secession is always wrong? (1+ / 0-)
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    ruleoflaw

    There was an important seccession movement in 1776.

    •  Everyone in Texas is represented by (0+ / 0-)

      a congressperson.

      The issue in 1776 was taxes and representation.

      If voting rights are denied, people have a right to go their own way and form their own government.

      I started with nothing and still have most of it left. - Seasick Steve

      by ruleoflaw on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:23:18 PM PST

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