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Recently I entered diary concerning the secession of Texas, which has gathered national attention. In this diary, I concentrated my opinion on the difficulties concercing leaving a union. Many, however, responded with statements assuming I was labelling all Texans secessionists; this was absolutely not the case. Even with an update to the diary with regards to commentors, a number of people still regarded me as being against the State of Texas in one way or another.

This is definitively not the case. I had laid forth an opinion which I hoped (and possibly rightly so, given the responses in comments) would spur further conversation. While some saw my piece as ground for furtive conversation, others saw it as a topic to be dicussed, which is always my intention in a diary. It is never my intent to divide people, but to spur an open, honest expression of ideas and opinions.

I am an an old-school Worcester boy; I may not be the most PC person, but I don't think my ideas should be drowned out (nor should any others) because they are not the same as your own; respect others ideas. If I say something different than yours, open a conversation on it. We'll listen, just do the same.

No matter the topic, this is a goal we should all strive to achieve. No matter how vehemently you may oppose a point of view, all Kossacks are entitled to an opinion, and are given the chance to defend that opinion. At the end of the day, we are all individuals, each with our own set of ideals and values. We go out of our way to connvice ourselves we all hold the same opinions and beliefs, but that is simply not true. What is true, however, is that all here hold respect for others.

And that, perhaps, is the most important thing we all hold on to.

I stated a view not held by others, and was villified for it. If I say something disagreeable, I hope to be held to account for it, and relish the opportunity to rebuke it and state my opinion. Unequivicocally, I should be held to my words. I believe what I believe, and I try to state those views openly.

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  •  I like what you say about (12+ / 0-)

    mutual respect in this post. Very well put.

    I missed the original diary and comment threads you refer to here, but went back and read them. Seemed to me that your diary was saying that those calling for secession don't really grasp what that would entail, and I agree -- I think it's just a post-election sour grapes reaction, not something that's been carefully thought through.

    As for the comment thread -- I think you got some good discussion going. Sorry if it seemed rough, but it was TAME compared to some threads I've seen!

    Don't let this experience stop you from posting in the future.

    •  Sort of the same thing with respect to people (5+ / 0-)

      saying, "I will leave the United States and go to [some other country]!"

      It's much harder to ragequit your own country than you think it is.

      Ask my dad. He left his for the United States... and only because he was motivated by the political climate in Taiwan and his parents.

      It'd be a lot easier to convince the sour grapes people that their logic is flawed if only they could be more open minded.

      I've noticed that open-mindedness happens when you witness for yourself and are convinced by what you see that

      The math doesn't add up
      Gut feelings are not the same as empirical evidence
      Your own daughter will die from fallopian tube rupture if she doesn't get an abortion yesterday
      Your own wife, who also works, can't get the same pay as her male colleagues for the exact same work

      What makes me sad is that you can't just pry open someone's eyes who is adamant in their (mostly) misguided beliefs and irrationality.

      It's our country, too, and we want to make it better

      Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

      by Future Gazer on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:02:04 PM PST

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  •  I missed the Diary (9+ / 0-)

    But I agree with your sentiment here about sharing different points of view.


    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 10:56:57 PM PST

  •  Keep your armour on while posting here (4+ / 0-)

    You every well may need it.
    Sadly.

    I submit that for DKos to remain the powerfully relevant force that it is, I believe it wise for us to be a big tent where reasoned and CIVIL debate prevails.

    I've found the 'I'll defend free speech to the death but you can't say that' crowd and the (what I call)  self appointed 'Defenders of all things good and right' crowd to be distressing and annoying myself.

    Please don't let them deter you.
    Shields up and post away!

  •  Wow. Just read the comments section (2+ / 0-)
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    Of your previous diary.  Having met you, I know you're not a dimwit OR a dipshit.  :-)

    On the bright side, there were some people in your previous diary who asked good questions and seemed to be willing to have a conversation.  Maybe a focus on them, and not on the irate dismissers would make for a more positive experience.

    But as another poster said, wading in with armor is a good idea.  Whew!  

    The last word in ignorance is the man who says of an animal or plant: 'What good is it?” - Aldo Leopold

    by Knockbally on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:36:55 AM PST

    •  And I tried to respond to a few of them. (1+ / 0-)
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      I let my wife read the post right after I put it up, and she was stunned at the number of comments pouring in, and the nature of some of them. As I told her, when you put an opinion out, some who disagree will really lay into you - but that's a chance you take.

      So the armor is on, just sometimes hard to read hateful comments when you honestly just try to state an opinion of a news topic.

      That said, I am definitely a dimwit sometimes; I'm no longer allowed to make coffee in the morning because of forgetting to put the decanter in the machine before pressing "brew" a few times.....

      "The less time you have, the more you need to use it wisely." - Cpt. Avatar, Starblazers

      by DeathDlr73 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:48:23 AM PST

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      •  I've put a cup of hot coffee in the freezer (1+ / 0-)
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        for reasons I still don't understand.  My brain is sometimes in the ether!

        It has to be really hard to read the rather vicious comments you get when you are posting something with the best of intentions.  I get that we can't all tell someone's intentions on the intertubes, but still. . .what's with the bile, people?

        I am extremely careful before even posting a comment, and I hesitate before posting a gentle disagreement, because I fear angry reactions.  On the other hand, that means I'm not getting into interesting discussions either.

        Well, keep on keepin' on!!!

        The last word in ignorance is the man who says of an animal or plant: 'What good is it?” - Aldo Leopold

        by Knockbally on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:13:33 AM PST

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  •  But ... but ... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... this is the INTERNET.

    Where, regrettably, the anonymity seems to be a green light for many people to abandon politeness and reason - or at least we hope they would be different in person.

    My rules here are simple; no HRs (all too often a tool of aggression and/or censorship) and if I disagree, I can say why or hold it.

    And this subject is a good example. Ridicule or silence secessionists? Hell no, let them speak for themselves as loud as they wish.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:06:35 AM PST

    •  "That which is written can never be unwritten." (1+ / 0-)
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      An old adage I've always adhered to. Perhaps even more important in the internet age than ever.

      "The less time you have, the more you need to use it wisely." - Cpt. Avatar, Starblazers

      by DeathDlr73 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:08:04 AM PST

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  •  One of the reasons that I came to DKos (0+ / 0-)

    is that there IS a level of civility here. Part of it is enforced by moderators and posting rules and part of it is peer produced.
    At unmoderated sites that I came from, it has gotten so hostile that any deviation from one faction or another's dogma gets a pile-on of vituperation. Go to Truthout or CommonDreams and mention that you support what Obama has done for gays or in ending the Iraq travesty and you will be buried under the worst slime attack you can imagine. Any time I comment over at TrOut, several trolls spend the next several hours pumping in vicious crap.
    I left and am much more comfortable here, thank you very much.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:54:36 AM PST

  •  LOL!! You wanna see hate mail? Vilification? (2+ / 0-)
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    Stop by MY place some time. I promote the idea of uncivil discourse with conservatives  ... you wanna see hate mail...lol I get it from all sides. Stick to your guns. Your fans don't need explanations and your enemies won't believe them anyway. You didn't say anything so bad. And remember, often the worst enemy of a liberal with a provocative opinion is OTHER LIBERALS (why do they show no hint of restraint when attacking their own and hold back when attacking conservatives I will never understand ...)

    Send conservatives to FilthyLiberal.com for re-education.

    by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:04:13 AM PST

    •  The hate-mail palooza by Kos on Saturdays... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...is one of my weekly highlights. That dude must have one seriously thick skin, or the ability to laugh off anything.

      "The less time you have, the more you need to use it wisely." - Cpt. Avatar, Starblazers

      by DeathDlr73 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:12:28 AM PST

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      •  Thanks for the tip. I usually don't blog too much (0+ / 0-)

        on weekends, doing special stuff, but I just made a mental note to check in and commiserate (or Kommiserate).

        Send conservatives to FilthyLiberal.com for re-education.

        by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:37:03 AM PST

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