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Is it just me, or are the Republicans still flailing around, nearly two weeks after a pretty decisive election victory by President Obama and his Democratic allies?

It's been more than a week and a half and we continue to hear another excuse, day after day.

Were they really all that stunned because...all those polls showing Romney losing ended up correctly showing that Romney was losing?

First, they blamed Hurricane Sandy. Then, they needed to throw a bone to Hispanics by suggesting the possibility of supporting the DREAM Act. Then, it was all FOX News and Carl Rove's fault, for not telling them the truth. Then it was because, well, President Obama and the Democrats were mean and allegedly lied about Mittch-A-Sketch Romney being a tool of the filthy rich. And then it was because Romney ran out of money (that was an actual theory by some-see the attached:  )            

Then it was all Rush Limbaugh's fault (according to Mr. Lamebrain himself). And then Mittch-A-Sketch Romney, in his usual exhibition of brilliance when it comes to demonstrating his pulse of the American electorate, decided that the President gave a lot of things to people that made them like him  (you policies that they actually support, for instance).

And then...well lets just secede, everyone. Or, how about impeachment? And now..well how about another try at turning Benghazi into a major national scandal (because that worked so well the first couple of times they tried it)?

Is it just me, or are the Republicans still flailing around like a boatload of fish just released from the fishing nets?

In fact, they seem so distracted by all of their own flailing around from one thing to another to try to make sense out of everything, they appear to have accidentally begun bending on negotiations over the so-called "fiscal cliff" in the process. You can just see them saying, "yes, yes...go ahead," on that front, while their brains are still frantically spinning around and around trying to get a grasp on things.

Am not exactly sure what this all means.

But there are a couple of things that Republican'ts are not talking about.

Usually, after recent Republican election defeats, like clockwork, they would trot out the same dusty old talking points (much like they seem to trot out the same dusty old party platforms and positions every four years, positions dating back to...the 1800's ...with new language to make them sound all pretty and modern and creating the appearance of being "new and improved.")

You know, excuses such as needing to "more effectively communicate" their message or that their candidate wasn't conservative enough (those are their two standard post-election-defeat mantras).

However, unlike other recent elections when Republicans were on the short end of the stick, we don't seem to be hearing much about poor messaging or the need for their candidate to be more of a conservative true believer this time.  Isn't that odd?

None of the usual doubling down on their whacky conservatism by claiming they just have to communicate their whacky ideas more effectively (maybe they're actually coming around to realizing what everyone else already knows: that their policies suck big-time and there's not enough lipstick in the world to dress it up to make it palatable? Nahhhh...that couldn't possibly happen in the sure-fire world of the GOP, could it?)

Maybe they are simply still so dumbfounded that they aren't able to come up with anything that sounds remotely plausible...even to themselves.

It's almost like listening to a child who has discovered something they did went terribly terribly wrong, and all that child can do is to utter to themself "...but...but...but..." That's what the Republicans are beginning to sound like. And with each passing day, it's sounding more and more incoherent than the day before.

Am not exactly sure what it all means, yet, but John Boehner was standing there at a press conference with one of the remaining Black Republican members of the House of Representatives prominently positioned behind him, as if as a prop, to imply...."see, see...we've got some of that diversity stuff, too," in the Republican Party's usual awkward, ham-handed, unconvincing way.

Viscerally, they must get it, but their brains seem incapable of absorbing it all. Can they actually be that stupid not to realize that all of that hating on gays, on the Hispanics, on the Blacks, on the young folks, on women, on those with less than a million dollars in their bank accounts well...that it simply can't go on if they are serious about wanting to win elections in the future?

Even they, standing there with gunpowder on their faces from the obvious vestiges of all the backfiring of their very own policies, must realize, at least theoretically, if not down in their stomachs and in their hearts, that all of that hatred, including the irrational personal animosity against the President himself...hasn't seemed to have done them all that much good.

Is it possible? Possible that the Republicans might actually be learning something? Are they actually capable of such a thing?

Nahhhhhhh. No way. (Right?)

(P.S. Of course, there are still those in the Republican Party insisting it wasn't their policies and positions that are the problem, but the way that they tried to "sell it" that was the problem, as noted in this other dailykos diary:
And, of course, the whole notion that Republicans think their job is to "sell" something to the American public rather than actually propose solutions the public finds acceptable...could also be an ongoing part of their problem with...chronic tin-earedness.
But, regardless of what the Republicans cited by the Wall Street Journal say, however, there's still one huge difference between this year's post-election commentary by Republicans and other post-election years when they've lost: they are not in lockstep as a party as they once were and appear to be flailing around ferociously trying to convince themselves of the unconvincible.)

Update: Even as we speak, Carl Rove continues to flail about, with his mouth flapping incoherently. His latest excuse, according to a new diary that just showed up: it was those "butt-ugly" Republican primaries that did in Mittch-A-Sketch Romney's campaign. Here's the link:
(Wait a minute or two, and we're sure to see ever more creative campaign "post-mortems," no doubt.)

Originally posted to wdrath on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:47 PM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  I absolutely love this visual (27+ / 0-)
    Even they, standing there with gunpowder on their faces from the obvious vestiges of all the backfiring of their very own policies...
    They're the Elmer Fudd of political parties, except less likable.

    Women do 2/3 of the world's work, receive 10% of the world's income and own 1% of the means of production.

    by LibrErica on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 12:04:40 PM PST

  •  Then there's GOP excuse of Democratic! voter (6+ / 0-)

    suppression. (See projection).

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 12:40:23 PM PST

  •  Should be in California!!!! (3+ / 0-)

    Really, it's ridiculous one of the most liberal States in the Country is behind Vermont in gay marriage!

  •  They can flail all they want... (16+ / 0-)

    ...but we're stil going to see their same blocking attitudes in Congress. This pisses me off because we're potentially looking at two years of nothing getting done (again). The only hope is that we'll gain seats in the mid-terms in '14. I hate this shit.

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 02:41:31 PM PST

    •  yes...obstructionism seems to be in their DNA... (6+ / 0-) least at some level...but something seems signficantly different about the party's response this year compared to previous years when voters clearly rejected them.

      Call me crazy, but it appears to me that there's a possibility that a small amount (very small, not doubt) of actual...sanity...may be seeping into their collective consciousness. Of course, this could just be a "feint" on their part to throw us all off.

      But there's also the matter of their grand promise to themselves and the country afte 2008...that they would do everything possible to try to ensure that President Obama is a one-term president. Well...they failed on that front, and they, obviously, have no similar objective this time around. hoping that, just through the process of osmosis alone, a teaspoon of sanity or two makes its way into their systems (of course, its also possible that their system might reject said dosage of sanity, it being such a foreign body to them).

      •  I'm Sure it Mostly Depends on the Big Donors & (5+ / 0-)

        spenders. If they're hot to wrap up our 230 year experiment, the Republicans will escalate.

        It may take ownership some time to calculate whether they can get what they want with increased intransigence or with a veneer of moderation.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:52:51 PM PST

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      •  if we keep forgiving & expecting positive change, (11+ / 0-)

        they will keep responding by kicking sand in our faces.

        It is like being in an abusive relationship.  At some point, you have to walk away.  You have to realize that you're dealing with unrepentent jerks who neither seek nor comprehend the idea of redemption.  You cannot save them.  All you can do is protect yourself against them and stay as far away from them as you possibly can.

        •  I think the main point here is... (2+ / 0-)
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          It's almost like listening to a child who has discovered something they did went terribly terribly wrong, and all that child can do is to utter to themself "...but...but...but..."
          The GOP are children. Children who do bad things need to be disciplined, pure and simple. Now, if we are intelligent, we are not going to be nicey-nice to them. We are going to do what responsible adults do when confronted with deviant children who refuse to accept that they did something wrong.

          We are going to put them in time-out and occasionally administer some judicious spankings, to encourage them to grow up.

          "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." - Hubert Humphrey

          by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 11:10:57 AM PST

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        •  We need to be careful... (0+ / 0-)

          Abusers keep relationships going by acting nice after being nasty to keep people staying around, hoping they've finally changed for the better.

          It's necessary to know their actions in the past and hold them accountable forever. It's actions that demonstrate values and values rarely change for convenience. Liars stay liars to the end.

          Something that doesn't make good sense, makes bad sense. That means someone is being deliberately hurtful & selfish. Look for motives behind actions & words.

          by CA wildwoman on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:37:32 AM PST

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    •  Democratic house candidates (4+ / 0-)

      got 500,000 more votes than Republicans in 2012. The D's would have won the House back with the old Congressional districts. The Pubs did such a good job gerrymandering it's unlikely we're going to win the house back (at least until the new census.)

      "...on the (catch a) human network. Cisco."

      by hoplite9 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 03:03:04 AM PST

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  •  They are flailing but the media's back on board... (6+ / 0-) else to explain all Benghazi, all Petraeus all the time while Sandy recovery sludges on, while Gaza/Israel explodes, etc. I suppose I should just be happy the fake fiscal cliff thing is off the air a little more.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 05:55:03 PM PST

  •  If you can stomach it (4+ / 0-)

    spend 2 minutes at #tcot and you'll see that, yes, they're still flailing away.  

    #tcot is the repository for all that is stupid and hateful on Twitter.  

  •  If by flailing.... (6+ / 0-)

    You mean getting all of the time and attention from the MSM that they were getting BEFORE they lost the election, then I guess they are flailing.Personally, I'm beginning to think that with the media at their beck and call, the Republicans are going to continue to whine and obstruct and maybe turn it up to 11 in the process. They've got nothing to lose except maybe the next election and the collective soul of the nation, but what the heck. It's who they are and what they do.

    •  they've got everything to lose... (3+ / 0-)

      ...for the past four years, their primary objective was to deny President Obama a second term. It dictated their every move. That objective is no longer relevant in terms of dictating their every move. They have everything to lose by continuing to be pure obstructionists, especially since all of their time, energy, effort and resources, including money, failed to achieve their objective. It was all a complete waste.

      Are they willing and able to realize such a thing? Perhaps not. We'll see.

  •  throw em an anchor (9+ / 0-)

    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 06:23:30 PM PST

  •  Did someone say the GOP wanted to sell something? (3+ / 0-)

    Well here's just the thing to make all marks buy what the carnies are selling.

    Wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man

    "We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

    by voodoochild62 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 at 07:16:03 PM PST

  •  They are plotting their comeback (7+ / 0-)

    On a right wing message board I lurk around on. One of the smarter of the bunch is leading a discussion, you know one of the ones who says "come on guys I know its fun to talk about seceeding but it hasn't come that yet".

    This guys idea - lets stop talking about all the social stuff. Because we're experts on, you know, the economy and stuff. But we keep turning off people who just don't understand what we're saying when we talk off the cuff about social issues. And yeah maybe a little bit too much of the Jesus stuff too. What we need to do is only bring that stuff up after we get into office. That way, Americans will see how much better their lives are with conservative policies and they'll all be interested in hearing our social policies then.

    •  The rank and file and TP little people are (7+ / 0-)

      flailing around, but then, they never did really know what's what.  

      The five or six big billionaires that were financing the GOP and the hundred or so in the second tier of donors have moved on now,  returning their attention to their hired lobbyists that will see that the GOP's that were elected deliver on their investments.  

      They are also probably sending feelers over to the elected democrats to see how they can present some sweet deals to them to get their votes on issues important to there never ending pursuit of wealth and power.

      The paid think tanks are probably putting together plans for another takeover of the Senate in 2 more years.  

      The noise in the media is pretty much meaningless for the next six or eight weeks;  can't distract the populace from their Holiday Spending!!

      •  Hopefully the DNC is at work on this... (2+ / 0-)
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        The grabbiness of the Republicans is not to be underestimated.

        We need to get bsack to work!

        President Obama has won, the Senate is in Democratic hands, and America now has to recover from the bitter divide that only the Republicans wanted. Hope for today, tomorrow and the future! Let's get to it!

        by boilerman10 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:45:28 AM PST

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  •  Maybe, but we have had our times in (2+ / 0-)
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    The wilderness too and can't afford hubris. Hubris cost us a lot in 2010.

    If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

    by shigeru on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 01:18:19 AM PST

  •  They're in a... (6+ / 0-)

    post-apocalyptic world, at least their minds.

    You're seeing all the usual suspects clamor for a toehold in what emerges.

    I'm particularly amused by their pundit class. Especially Dick Morris. Although it's hard to discern the actually words as he tries to speak through the thick layer of egg on his face, I believe he told Hannity: "I called it as I saw it from the polling..." I guess in addition to being a sweaty fat troll, Dick is also illiterate.

    But he's not even close to the most desperate. How about Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster, who sees black people. Voting. "Dozens" of them!  And he would know, later explaining he "plays basketball with a black guy every Sunday."

    Then there's Haley Barbour who immediately went anal, calling for a party-wide "proctology exam." We can only hope C-Span is there for that.

    The point I'm trying to make through all this snark is while we progressives beat them on virtually every metric, we owe them a great debt for the breathtaking quantity of batshit crazy they presented to the nation.

    They can talk hurricanes and demographics all they want, but when a party has to look under rocks to find a candidate or spokesperson who's not wearing a drool cup, it's in serious trouble.

    That's the main thing they don't seem to get.

    Did I mention their rape caucus?

  •  Maybe the Repubs are dealing because (2+ / 0-)
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    they are anxious to cut Social Security in exchange for tax cuts, esp. now that David Koch has given his blessing on higher taxes. David Frum said they were crazy for not taking this deal in 2011. Maybe they've woken up to this line of reasoning.

    "...on the (catch a) human network. Cisco."

    by hoplite9 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 03:09:02 AM PST

  •  Heh "gunpowder on their faces from the obvious (4+ / 0-)

    vestiges of all the backfiring..."

    I ♥ President Obama. ~ Yes, we did. Again.
    NOW: Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO Grand Bargain.
    Rich pay a bit more. DoD take a bit less. End war on Afghanistan sooner.

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 04:29:36 AM PST

  •  it's not just you (3+ / 0-)

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    Four More Years! How sweet it is!!!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:39:18 AM PST

  •  I wish it were so, (4+ / 0-)

    but the emerging consensus on the conservative blogs is that they have to communicate their policies better and that the election was stolen.  Conservatives seem constitutively unable to engage in critical self-reflection.  They really don't get it.

    •  "unable to engage in critical self-reflection" (6+ / 0-)

      Great minds and all that...I was writing my comment to the same point the same time as you did.

      I think the last time Republicans engaged in self-reflection was after the Goldwater loss in 1964.   Conservatives re-grouped and sixteen years later were able to elect Reagan.    

      But in the meantime, the GOP gave us the already-failed Dick Nixon and the equally unethical Spiro Agnew, a combination which really wrecked the Republican brand.  It was that wreckage which allowed the Republican conservatives to gain control--not really through self-reflection, either--and set the stage for the wreckage that is the Republican party today.

  •  Here's another possible causal factor (2+ / 0-)
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    wdrath, Killer of Sacred Cows

    I'm not sure how how power and leadership is shared in the GOP, but this diary's recap of the chaotic response of Republicans made me think of this:

    Reince Priebus likely to be RNC chair again, despite all the losing
    But Priebus made no mention of the sweeping GOP victories that preceded his tenure and referred only obliquely to the party’s disappointing election earlier this month.
    And this is why Priebus thinks he should keep the position:
    “We have accomplished a lot in the past 22 months, but obviously, there is much to do,” wrote the chairman. Politico
    Yes, they have accomplished so much obstruction that Congress has record low approval ratings, and most people don't trust the Republican Party.  They have accomplished so much blatant--yet unsuccessful-- voter suppression that there is greater risk of incumbent state Republicans and governors (see Florida-Scott) losing in 2014.

    I do know that Republicans seem unable to actually do any self-reflection on their problems. The close 2004 elections should have been a wake-up call but what did they do? Nominate out-of-touch McCain. And in 2012?  Nominate even more out-of-touch Romney and veer ever more towards alienating the growing minority vote.  It took them 8 years to wake-up?  Not really...I think only a few GOP voices really understand--and accept--what is going on.  The Republicans pride themselves on not changing their minds or policies. One of the things they loved about Bush was that he was consistent. That he was consistently wrong didn't matter.

    And as long as Reince Priebus remains the RNC chair, I think we can look forward to two more years of his brand of "success."

  •  From what i've seen (3+ / 0-)

    they dont seem to have accepted that they've lost at all. They are carrying on, every day finding a new reason to impeach Obama over something he had no power over and nothing to do with. (Hostess shutting down!? Impeach Obama!)

    As if this would accomplish anything. Its bizarre. It makes me feel kinda bad for them. So trapped are they in this mindset that nothing will remove them from it. Reality be damned.

    Then you came out all of a sudden and said, "You're Prism Indigo!" but I don't get it...

    by kamrom on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:02:54 AM PST

    •  this is partly what motivated this diary... (2+ / 0-)

      ...unlike previous years when Republicans lost elections, when they, in lockstep, instantly, all got on the same page (better messaging, more true conservative candidates), it seems to be taking them an awful long time this time to even begin to face the fact that they lost, and an even longer time to begin looking at that fact with any degree of seriuosness.

      The thing that strikes me most is that, even with someone like Mittch-A-Sketch Romney, who wasn't exactly considered a "true believer" to many Republicans to begin with, they are not going with their standard line of needing to be more conservative than before. (That's their default, mechanism it seems.)

  •  Sometime back (2+ / 0-)
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    wdrath, Killer of Sacred Cows

    we had a diary by a cognitive psychologist, about changes in cognition due to simple aging. People generally become less creative after age 50 or so. In maturity, somebody is running out of new ideas and new frames for understanding the world. They can't stake their professional reputation, if they have one, on innovation. Their mature strengths come from some other faculty.

    Karl Rove has hit this point, methinks. The lack of resonance of the Republican message is a block he can't see his way 'round. And his colleagues in the RW movement are older, too. When they try to make their message of exclusion, cuts, and austerity palatable to younger people and to racial minorities, they are just laughable.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 07:29:20 AM PST

  •  They weren't conservative enough. (2+ / 0-)
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    wdrath, Killer of Sacred Cows

    In 2016, the party needs to dress up its Amateur Hour Constitutional Scholars in powdered wigs and corsets, scream louder about FREEDOM, and run a nationwide slate of Todd Akin/Richard Mourdock candidates from coast to coast.  They need better messaging as well: Abolish Minimum Wage and Prohibit Taxation of Banks.  It wasn't communicated clearly enough this time.    

    More explicitly conservative in 2016.  Yes, I believe that is the GOP's key to success. ;-)

  •  The GOP has believed (2+ / 0-)
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    wdrath, Killer of Sacred Cows

    The GOP has believed its own bullsh*t for so long, they can't change.  They can't admit that, not only were they wrong, they were beaten by a black Kenyan Muslim fascist/communist/socialist.  

    It proves the GOP really is crazy:  They will keep doing the same things over and over and  hope for a different outcome.  

  •  As long as they just keep listening to themselves (2+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows, wdrath

    ...they're going to keep getting the wrong answers to why thing went wrong for them.  

    If they were smart, they'd shut up and listen to what the majority of people have to say.  

    But then, that's really the heart of the problem:  They aren't that smart, and they are arrogant.  It's not a winning combination.

  •  My Republican brother (2+ / 0-)
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    and sister-in-law are flailing about with all sorts of stories they're telling themselves, as reported to me by my mom, from her last phone conversation with her son -

    Not enough conservatives voted.  They stayed home because they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Romney.

    There are many, many people behind the scenes who manipulated things to put Obama back into office.  He's just a puppet, fronting for nefarious power-brokers who want to rule the world.  Of course Romney never had a chance to win against such.

    All the news people (save Fox, of course), kept important stories hidden which would have sunk Obama's re-election.  

    It's actually great that Obama has a second term.  Now everyone will get to see just how truly horrible he is at governing, as he will not have to worry about re-election and will thus get more aggressive about his REAL agenda.

    There will soon be a HUGE movement to impeach Obama because Benghazi.

    Mom says they are still convinced that only Fox News tells the truth about any of this.  

  •  rove has a point about the primaries. i wonder if (2+ / 0-)
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    2016 will see an attempt among nominees to be more civil towards each other and more centrist in their collective rhetoric.

    it won't last, of course, but i bet there'll be a strong push among the GOP's backstage powers to be less... foaming at the mouth.  is it masochistic to say i'm kinda' looking forward to the 2016 presidential race?

    to republicans rape is "God's will" but homosexuality is somehow a "choice". republican yahweh is a dick.

    by bnasley on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 11:57:57 AM PST

  •  Thumbnail analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    of the difference between the GOP and the Democrats: Everyone listens to and reads and watches media that tells them what they want to hear. The difference is, Democrats want to hear about reality, and the GOP only wants to hear the party line.

    Conservative Entertainment Complex, indeed.

    "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." - Hubert Humphrey

    by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 12:08:55 PM PST

  •  I don't want them to figure it out (1+ / 0-)
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    I want them to go the way of the Whigs and then we get another party that actually cares about people. Like a Democratic party and a Progressive party. The Dems being the conservative corporate shills they are but that try to find a balance and then the progressives. What do you think?

    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. ~JFK

    by TheUrbanRevolution on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 12:21:48 PM PST

    •  a lot of people chide the Republicans insisting (0+ / 0-)

      it's necessary for them to moderate their views so we can a strong Democratic and Republican Party, that that is best for the nation.

      My opinion is that the Republicans have been so repulsive and disgusting on so many levels for so many years they are not worthy of ever receiving my vote and it would be best for the nation if the Republican Party were to, in fact, go the way of the Whigs as you suggest.

      Ideally, your scenario would be great, having a Democratic Party and a strong Progressive Party. Am not sure that's how it would play out if the Republican Party were to actually die off. My guess is that another conservative party would come along to replace them.

  •  Obama is the Roadrunner (1+ / 0-)
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    And the republicans are Wily Coyote.

    Beep beep!

    I ask him if he was warm enough? "Warm," he growled, "I haven't been warm since Bastogne."

    by Unrepentant Liberal on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 12:57:24 PM PST

  •  The 5 stages are rough, and they are still at 1 (1+ / 0-)
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    and gonna be dealing with stage 1 for a looooong time.

    In fact, getting past stage one means coming to Jesus on some very ugly realities associated with their policy platform and it's ideological basis.

    Don't look for progress too soon.

    In fact, look for the few that seem to get past stage 1, because they kind of have to in order to present any real compelling argument, get a few stages down the list, balk, then just reframe the whole thing in some new bat shit nuts light, hoping nobody notices they never actually ran the course of healing on the way through.

    Translation:  They won't ever give this up.  It is who they are and they are long past being pot committed.

    The next set of Republican visionaries will appear perfectly reasonable, due to that exercise mentioned above, and they will be, but for the fact that they never did let go of the dream.  There will be a hook of some kind, some easy distortion that gets them back on the agenda, but for the little problem of attractive voters to do it all with.

    Right now we are hearing them sort that out.  Might take a bit to ferret out the best path, but they will, and when they do, they will start to build out their bizarro world foundation for it that connects all that shit they've done to date to this new thing somehow, and it will be the mother of all stretches, leaving us in awe at the mental gymnastics, while the base and those that benefit from the base get on board as if there were nothing amiss.

    And they will do it with perfect clarity, as if nothing bad ever happened before, as robots do, and the strange thing will be the followers of this shit doing the same thing.  Our friends, neighbors, associates and familiar others will just wake up one day, rebooted, born again, whatever, suddenly all excited about the same shit on a different day.

    Watch for it.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***

    by potatohead on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 04:21:42 PM PST

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