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Our society seems to  have utterly failed to see to it that our leaders are held accountable. Witness Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and other of our Democratic Party leaders taking the prosecution of allegedly some of the worst crimes against humanity since WWII 'off the table.'

Some people have not given up on accountability, cannot give up.  

Wonder why?  This, for example ....
 

Salon
Thursday, Jul 15, 2004 10:26 AM MDT
Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape
Sickening to contemplate,  and yes, some will say war is hell, etc etc etc but that's b*llsh* and makes me want to vomit.

Here's the latest in efforts to hold Bush and others accountable on torture.
Petition filed at United Nations Committee Against Torture
Canada is obligated to arrest Bush

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The Legal Coordinator of Canadian Centre for International Justice, Matt Eisenbrandt, reports that:

“The UN Committee is charged with monitoring States' compliance with the widely ratified Convention against Torture, a treaty requiring nations to investigate and submit for prosecution -- or extradite to another country for prosecution -- alleged torturers present in their territory. The idea behind this obligation is to create a worldwide net, leaving torturers nowhere to run and bringing us closer to an end to impunity for this heinous crime.

“Wednesday's action comes on the heels of two related developments. Over the summer, the Committee conducted a periodic review of Canada and, fully aware of Bush's 2011 visit, called on the government to "take all necessary measures with a view to ensuring the exercise of the universal jurisdiction over persons responsible for acts of torture, including foreign perpetrators who are temporarily present in Canada."

“Then, just one month ago, Omar Khadr, so long stranded in Guantánamo, finally returned home to Canada. The Supreme Court of Canada has already ruled that the Canadian government violated Khadr's Charter rights by interrogating him in Guantánamo under the unlawful detention program there.

“In his 2010 memoir and elsewhere, Bush has openly acknowledged that he ordered the waterboarding -- the pouring of water over an immobilized prisoner's face to the point where the person believes he or she is drowning -- of detainees in U.S custody. His precise words were, "Damn right." He also approved an interrogation program with techniques that experts, including the International Committee of the Red Cross and several United Nations rapporteurs, have denounced as torture. Yet Bush has not been held accountable and faces no charges in the United States. This, despite the fact that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other respected groups have called for the investigation and prosecution of Bush and other high-level officials from his administration.”

The continued international effort to indict, arrest and prosecute Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for their criminal acts continues to gather steam. Bush and company are worried and they should be.
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If you are one of us who cannot stand the fact that those who tortured in our name continue to be at large you can consider the following action....

Join the IndictBushNow movement for justice and accountability!
Never give up.

Originally posted to divineorder on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM PST.

Also republished by Bloggers Against Torture, Inherent Human Rights, and Progressive Policy Zone.

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  •  So mount a protest in Washington D.C. ! (4+ / 0-)

    It's good to get people on Daily Kos to band together and protest but if this post serves as nothing more than just to simply speak your mind, then I'm afraid your cause just won't be enough.

    There needs to be as many people as humanly possible to mount a protest in Washington D.C.  Not San Francisco, not New York, not Florida but Washington D.C.  That's where the federal government's nexus is.

    The problem with Occupy was that it wasn't organized like the Vietnam War Protests were.  It was all over the place although it did make a difference in terms of recognition of social injustice and unfairness at the workplace.

    •  Thanks for your 'concern, pipsorcle ! (11+ / 0-)

      Guess what, there have been some very big dems in DC on this.  Sorry you missed them!

      ?

      The problem with Occupy
      Wonder, did you tell that to your general assembly when you were involved with Occupy ?

      Or did you participate with Occupy  at all?

      And, awwww, dang, Occupy did not solve all the worlds problems!  I hate that when it happens, don't you!

      Me, I all in with the accountability  bus....

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      by divineorder on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:35:55 PM PST

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      •  I must have missed them too... (4+ / 0-)
        Guess what, there have been some very big dems in DC on this.  Sorry you missed them!
        ...which is weird, because I live here.

        So I guess your claim there hinges on the question of how you define "very big dem[onstration]"... generally, I define "very big" by being something I can't not hear about while living in DC. Thus far, I have yet to see a demonstration of that magnitude on this issue.

        Quite frankly, while I sympathize with your cause and believe that in a just world George Bush et al. would live out the rest of their days in a cell in the Hague, I'm not seeing a whole lot of impetus even among progressives to litigate this issue right now... the energy seems to be more concentrated on issues like the federal budget, jobs, and climate change. The first step to your being successful in putting pressure on the administration to take action is to change that situation and make a case for why this issue should take precedence over those issues.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:46:00 PM PST

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        •  Thanks for commenting JamesGG (5+ / 0-)

          We came all the way from Austin to participate in one but it had the larger focus of ending the wars as well.

          So I guess your claim that there not any is about as well supported so far as mine is.

          Thanks for your sympathy, but hey, its not my only issue either. We participated a the Do the Math livestream  just yesterday.

          Wonder, did you see this byChris Hedges?

          The presidential election exposed the liberal class as a corpse. It fights for nothing. It stands for nothing. It is a useless appendage to the corporate state. It exists not to make possible incremental or piecemeal reform, as it originally did in a functional capitalist democracy; instead it has devolved into an instrument of personal vanity, burnishing the hollow morality of its adherents. Liberals, by voting for Barack Obama, betrayed the core values they use to define themselves—the rule of law, the safeguarding of civil liberties, the protection of unions, the preservation of social welfare programs, environmental accords, financial regulation, a defiance of unjust war and torture, and the abolition of drone wars. The liberal class clung desperately during the long nightmare of this political campaign to one or two issues, such as protecting a woman’s right to choose and gender equality, to justify its complicity in a monstrous evil. This moral fragmentation—using an isolated act of justice to define one’s self while ignoring the vast corporate assault on the nation and the ecosystem along with the pre-emptive violence of the imperial state—is moral and political capitulation. It fails to confront the evil we have become.

          Look thanks for commenting.

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          by divineorder on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:55:36 PM PST

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      •  Not all the Occupy were in Washington DC (0+ / 0-)

        I witnessed Occupy in Oakland and it was a MAJOR DISASTER.  There were people who looted Oakland businesses, not even corporations and trashed places. Occupy Oakland was just not well organized and neither is the whole organization.

        Perhaps I didn't clarify effectively:  Put the ENTIRE Occupy Movement in Washington DC.  Not some people, ALL of them.

        Again, think Vietnam Waresque.  There were more people who protested in the Vietnam War than in Occupy and more people stayed at DC than Occupy.

        Occupy on the other hand, with all due respect, has not been consistent.  I've seen them even in San Francisco so disorganized and disillusioned it's just weird.  On the other hand, not everyone at Occupy is unemployed.  There are people who have 8-5 jobs, even tech workers who participate in Occupy.

        I don't need to participate in Occupy to know what's going on.  I'm just offering what's known as objective analysis.  Perhaps I should be in charge of operations and organization because then what I'd do is direct all Occupy participants to move to Washington DC (if that means 100,000 of them or even 1,000,000 of them) and stage a protest all at once and for days, even months.  

        Now wouldn't this change Obama's mind faster?

  •  YES ! (14+ / 0-)

    Now that the election is over, we, all of us, MUST stand up and push to have those responsible at the highest levels for the torture inflicted by the US since 9/11 held legally accountable.

    We have a RESPONSIBILITY !

    The President told us to push him on issues.

    We CANNOT remain silent !

    Silence equals complicity !

          Standing for justice and accountability,
                       For Dan,
                       Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

    by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:28:51 PM PST

  •  In the meantime, cut Obama and Pelosi some slack (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama is still cleaning up President Bush's mess so I have no doubt he's taking things into consideration.  After all, he recently traveled to Burma for outreaching so at least we've got a president who at least works to be more universal, rather than one who has a self-interest.

    •  You are welcome to give him some slack. I already (7+ / 0-)

      gave him 4 years of it.

      RE Burma, he said some similar things about democracy in the middle east but here at home we continue to see terrible abuse of police powers during the Occupy and other protests, so no, not giving  any slack.

      I absolutely LOVE what Nancy accomplished during her reign as Speaker of the House,  but when I remember this area of Bushco torture accountability  I have a constant fight not to disallow all her other good points.  

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      by divineorder on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:42:16 PM PST

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      •  And the Occupy protests are dying down (0+ / 0-)

        If you're not going to cut Obama some slack, then mount some protests in Washington DC or hammer down the DNC.  I think continuing to write on Daily Kos is not going to make the cause any more just.

        •  say, there are 600,000 users on dailykos... (2+ / 0-)
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          that would make a pretty decent sized demo in dc.  i've been to a boatload of demos in dc and darned few of them are that large.

          do you think that the activists on daily kos could be motivated to get off of their rusty dustys and put their feet in the street?

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:00:22 PM PST

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          •  Only a fraction of that are real and/or active (1+ / 0-)
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            users. We had a problem with computer generated spam users for a while that ran the numbers up to absurd levels.

            Even counting the lurkers I don't think there are more than a few tens of thousands who read regularly at the moment. Not that that wouldn't be a demonstration to take note of, but health, financial and cross country transportation issues are all factors in how many we can field at any given time.

            Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. The Druid

            by FarWestGirl on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:11:37 PM PST

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            •  That's the problem (0+ / 0-)

              There's no consistency among the protests.  I didn't live during the Vietnam War era but in watching a lot of documentaries and even the great "Hearts and Minds" film, the protests during the Vietnam War were organized, TOO organized as a matter of fact.  A number of people had walkie-talkies with them everywhere and that in itself was good.  Camp grounds were set around and people didn't even care about getting arrested.

              However, organizers of the Vietnam War recognized that putting protests all around the country wasn't enough.  They had to focus on their prime target:  Washington DC.

              Hell, even the Iraq War protests have been lackluster at best, at least until Cindy Sheehan came into the picture.  She was smart because she protested on President Bush's own turf in Crawford, Texas.  

              We need to learn from Cindy Sheehan on strategy.

          •  I don't doubt that at all (0+ / 0-)

            But again, centralize ALL of the Occupy protests in Washington DC.  That is the nexus of the federal government.

            So you're asking me, "do you think that the activists on daily kos could be motivated to get off of their rusty dustys and put their feet in the street?" in reference to 600,000 users on Daily Kos?

            I say, sure.  If our country is important, what's stopping us all?

    •  We were told to wait until after the election. (4+ / 0-)

      It is after the election. The President told us to push him. THIS IS THE TIME !

      I will not remain silent.

      I have a responsibility.

      YOU have a responsibility.

             Standing for justice and accountability,
                            For Dan,
                            Heather

      Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

      by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:09:35 PM PST

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      •  Don't remain silent (0+ / 0-)

        But please, use a better outlet for your politics and your goals.  Daily Kos may be a good way to recruit people but like many places, it's a blog.  It's the Internet.  The Internet is great at getting people worked up and registered and commited but there are also a ton of flakes.  You won't find as many flakes if you get people motivated in person and register them in your mailing list.  

        And as I posted to another person's post, mount a protest in Washington DC and centralize all of the protests there.  We need to think Vietnam War eraesque, not Occupyesque.  In other words, protests in the Vietnam War were organized whereas the Occupy was all over the place (even though the protests did make a difference, BIG time).

        Again, my point of view isn't to shut you up.  It's to understand what accomplishments have been made, what has been done during Obama's presidency and what has to be changed.  But the question is, how are you REALLY going to change it?

        Besides, look at how many corporations are going crazy because of Obamacare?   You're not mentioning that.  And of course, the Iraq War was continued because of corporate profits.  Now the influence over corporations has lessened.

        In fact, now is a better chance than ever to fight back and not give up.  Even Obama mentioned on Jon Stewart's Daily Show that he still wants to close Guantanamo Bay and even mentioned the reason for the delay in that is because of a systematic process in Congress.  Congress didn't allow Obama to close Guantanamo.  In return, fire back at all the Congressional members who voted no and have them all (yes, in all 50 states) challenged if they won't budge.

        You just have to think creatively how you're going to bring about your cause into effect.

        •  cool, do you know how to get permits (1+ / 0-)
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          and organize such and event?  

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:06:10 PM PST

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          •  Late in reply (0+ / 0-)

            Sorry for being late in reply but...

            Are you worried about permits or your country?  People in the Vietnam War didn't care about permits.  They cared about one thing and one thing only:  THEIR COUNTRY.

            Seriously, people nowadays are so cautious it's as if they're worried about something so proper as getting a permit.  This is so American, it's ridiculous.  You see French citizens protest against their own government over controversial laws ALL THE TIME and the French government listens.  There are also regular protests by Palestinians against Israel but at a greater, more extreme level.  We don't need to reach that extreme in protests but we need to take a stand no matter what.

            Besides, organization and negotiation with the police department at the city of Washington DC can be done with protests at massive levels so long as they're orderly.  Besides, the DC area is one of the top 5 most liberal cities in the U.S.  

            In the meantime, why don't people on here continue to reach out to Congressional Democrats, namely those who are anti-war like Dennis Kucinich and people like him who can hold hearings on the Bush crimes?  Do we REALLY need protests?  Why don't people on here pull a John Kerry during the Vietnam War era and testify to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee?

            I mean, it's always protests in America we're thinking about.  ALWAYS PROTESTS.  Seriously, we're NOT in the Bush years anymore!

        •  I have tried for several years to organize (1+ / 0-)
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          a March for Legal Accountability, in DC. Then my disabilities made it impossible for me to use a regular phone, which makes it very difficult to contact the organizations big enough to make the logistics of a large march , . I've emailed to the bulk email addresses, but have never received a response. HOWEVER, at Netroots Nation in June I sat at the same table with two of the people from Human Rights First, and am working with them to  bring together such a march.

          Communicating and posting on DKos has been very important, because there are people who care about and fight for the issue every day from all over North America, and one of the places we share information, organize,  and bring new people to the cause is right here.

          And yes,  joe shikspack's point is a good one, although I have a lawyer in DC all lined up get the permit when we are ready. Instead of making assumptions, and carping about what we should and should not be doing, how about helping with the heavy lifting.

          BTW, in 2010, I moved  Vancouver from to Ottawa, 3000 miles, to push the Canadian government to repatriate Omar Khadr, so I have put my body where my mouth is.

                   Standing for justice and accountability,
                                  For Dan,
                                  Heather

          Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

          by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:47:25 PM PST

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          •  I think protests now may be counterproductive (0+ / 0-)

            But I've been posting on Daily Kos for a while now and I'm a regular user like yourself.  However, I've been on online forums much earlier than Daily Kos or any grassroots online websites were founded and I can tell you, there are A LOT of flakes on the Internet.  That's just the nature of it.  Daily Kos is an exception because people really do give a damn.

            However, the problem with Daily Kos is that people here don't always think objectively and outside the box.  Protests are important but only as a last resort.  I mean, it is entirely possible to communicate with Dennis Kucinich and other anti-war Democrats to hold more hearings on the Bush crimes.  Those can be productive.

            Protests on the other hand, might not be as productive as you might think nowadays, especially now that Obama has been in office for four years now and re-elected.  He's already been rolling back just about every executive order from Bush's years and a lot of craziness so we're moving in the right direction.  Now we just need to clean up the Bush crimes and other messes and we're good to go.

            •  Ummmm, (0+ / 0-)

              if you look at your FIRST comment in this diary you urge us to bring people to DC for a huge protest. Now you are saying that protests now may be counterproductive. I am not buying what you are selling.

              Yes, I agree that more hearing is a good idea. I have an invitation to meet with Senator Whitehouse the next time I am in DC, which will hopefully be in February.

                              Standing for justice and accountability,
                                                For Dan,
                                                Heather

              Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

              by Chacounne on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:39 PM PST

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              •  You're getting sidetracked too much (0+ / 0-)

                I'm offering an objective analysis into addressing your cause in, should I say, a more reasonable approach with all possibilities thought out.

                People today don't realize but there are a lot of business skills they can learn to do outreach.  IT, Social Media, Internet, even programming, technology, the works.

                I've been accustomed to computers and IT technology before even the movie Wargames was released and if you recall, that film was about the big supercomputer WOPR which almost caused WWIII in the film.  I must say, not enough people on here recognize the potential to maximize.

                How about instead of just simply talking about protesting vs. communicating with Congress, let's list all of the possibilities of:

                1)  What has or hasn't been done
                2)  What we want to do but can't do
                3)  What we have accomplished but didn't do as much of.  And for what reason(s)?
                4)  What would be a great idea and we haven't accomplished before?
                5)  What can we do that is organized that isn't always done by protesting?
                6)  How can outreach be done to people at all levels without protesting?   Can this be done to pressure those like Congressmen in a campaign or tactic where thousands and thousands of people e-mail or call them every day until they hold hearings?

                Strategy my friend, strategy.  If you care for your country so much, you need to think strategy.  Not enough people on Daily Kos work in business but you don't need to be Mitt Romney in order to work effectively in marketing.

                •  You actually don't know who works (0+ / 0-)

                  or who has worked in business on Daily Kos unless they have actually told you.

                  I am working on a several pronged strategy:
                     a) in visits to DC after the inauguration to lobby senators
                                   and congressional reps, and the administration
                     b) an email and letter writing campaign to senators and
                                   congressional reps and the administration
                     c) a youtube campaign with tojustice rture survivors and
                                   family members
                     d) the March for Accountability

                          Standing for justice and accountability,
                                         For Dan,
                                         Heather

                  Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

                  by Chacounne on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:59:46 PM PST

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                  •  Then why don't they tell me? (0+ / 0-)

                    I barely hear enough talk about IT or even business analysis on Daily Kos.  In fact, NO ONE talks about business analysis.  No one even understands what it is or even what a business analyst is.  Well, perhaps they can explain it to me and I'd be happy to listen.

                    That's good that you are working on a strategy at the moment.  Now, in the premise of marketing:

                    1)  What are the response rates?  As in, what kind of people are responding?  How many people are signing up to your campaign?  Is it growing rapidly or slowly?

                    2)  Have you used the same message as before or are you looking to change the message based on responses from activists or non-activists?

                    3)  For the You Tube campaign, how many stats are you receiving? (i.e. how many comments)?

                    I don't need to ask more questions but I invite you to offer me some data.

  •  Yeah......we'll see. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Not going to happen. (1+ / 0-)
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    And please, spare me the lecture in response.

  •  Jobs first! No apologies for that. (2+ / 0-)
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    Bush isn't ever going to face prosecution. It just isn''t going to happen. Meanwhile, we have families suffering here in this country because they do not have good work.

    I hope we can get to be a country where prosecuting war criminals is the biggest priority in most people's lives, but I fear we are not there yet especially with high unemployment devastating millions of lives.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:10:11 PM PST

    •  There's always a reason to put off doing the right (3+ / 0-)
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      thing.

      We were told to wait until after the election.

      The US government can do two things at once.

      It is after the election.
      I will not remain silent.
      I have a responsibility.
      YOU have a responsibility.
      Silence equals complicity.

              Standing for justice and accountability,
                             For Dan,
                             Heather

      Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

      by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:15:27 PM PST

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    •  Yes, massive direct hire jobs program, yes !!! (5+ / 0-)

      Meanwhile, please do consider multi-tasking like many of us do.

      Note that those children were allegedly sodomized in 2004 yet many of those who ordered torture run free.

      The continued international effort to indict, arrest and prosecute Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for their criminal acts continues to gather steam. Bush and company are worried and they should be.

      Bush decided to cancel his trip to Switzerland last year after the media reported that Swiss authorities were unwilling to stop planned criminal proceedings initiated by two of Bush’s torture victims.

      It is the combined efforts of all of us -- activists, torture victims, human rights leaders and progressive attorneys – that can make the difference. This is an international grassroots effort that will not stop.

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      by divineorder on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:17:19 PM PST

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      •  They not only run free, (4+ / 0-)

        they are given time on tv and radio, and space in newspapers, they are their opinion and that opinion is given gravitas, and they are being made more wealthy than we can imagine.

                 Standing with you, as always,
                    for justice and accountability,
                                  For Dan,
                                  Heather
                                 

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

        by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:27:44 PM PST

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      •  Been multitasking since middle school. (0+ / 0-)

        I am concerned about all children starting with my fellow citizens first.

        For example, there are tortured kids in this country. Some come from what look like nice homes on the outside. These kids end up on the street and are forced to survive on the streets because they there's no help for them. I will not apologize for helping those in front of me first.

        I also care about child soldiers and child slave laborers. Did you know that there are child sex workers here at home that need to be rescued?

        Just because some of us do not want to invest time trying to put Bush where he belongs doesn't mean we condone his administration's actions.

        I helped out at a local food bank today and I can tell you that we are needed so very much here at home. We do what we must I guess.

        "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

        by sebastianguy99 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:03:25 PM PST

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        •  I would never denegrate your efforts to (2+ / 0-)
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          help those you are inspired to help; why do you denegrate mine ?

          Yes, child soldiers, like Omar Khadr who it took almost ten years to finally get back to Canada. I moved from Vancouver to Ottawa two years ago to help push the Canadian government in person to repatriate him.

          My husband was a Vietnam vet who survived torture. Dan suffered from his injuries for over thirty years, until his fatal heart attack seven years ago. He was still waking up screaming the week before he died. I hear the screams of those who have been tortured every single day echoing in my ears, and feel their wounds in my bones, and their exhaustion in my muscles. Those are the ones who are right in front of me.

          If you are able to multitask, as you say, all I ask is you send an email to your president, to your senators, and to  your congressional rep asking that they prosecute Bush and the others for the torture they approved. Silence, in this case, does equal consent.

                          Standing for justice and accountability,
                                         For Dan,
                                         Heather

          Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

          by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:25:53 PM PST

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  •  The failure to prosecute war criminals (6+ / 0-)

    who ever they are if they are in our country is paramount. To do otherwise is to completely fail as a law abiding country. We have prosecuted war criminals who were in the US. The bush administration prosecuted Charles Taylor of Liberia and then congratulated itself for standing up for human rights. All while the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq was going on. And while we were torturing people.

    I know this is a divisive issue but it is one we can not avoid if we are to survive as a free society. As we send drones into other countries to kill people we consider a threat we lie exposed to attacks from other countries. And we can not expect the cooperation of much of the international community. We are in serious breach of treaties and international laws. Laws we mostly wrote ourselves and applied to others. Like the Convention on Torture. I was worried about this very thing when the we refused to participate in the International Tribunal System. Because we felt that Americans would get unfairly detained. Before the fact that we torture people became widely known. And before the 9/11 attacks.

    Were we keeping in mind that one day Americans would start torturing again? the idea of American being unfairly picked on by the international community was and is a sick joke.

  •  People who live in glass houses... (1+ / 0-)
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    divineorder

    ...shouldn't throw stones.

    Unfortunately, Barack Obama is as guilty of war crimes as George W. Bush. What's going on in Afghanistan and Pakistan right now is  pure hell, all of it paid for by you and I, and delivered on the orders of Barack Obama.

    I say forget about prosecuting Bush; rather, bring home the goddamn troops... now!

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