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Here is why I was a Hillary supporter in 08 and will be again in 16. POTUS is a job, perhaps the hardest job in the world. As with every job, it carries a learning curve. My guesstimate is that the learning curve for the POTUS job is about three years. In other words, it takes a person new to the job about three years to get the hang of it such that they can make some real progress on their agenda.

One could make the case that Obama largely floundered for the first few years with that "bipartisan" stuff that went nowhere. Yes, having or not having Congress makes a huge difference.

My point is that I want someone in the POTUS job who is not going to lose huge chunks of time trying to figure out who the Rs are and how to beat them. No one on the planet has taken more shit from the GOP in that last 20 years than Hillary. She has no illusions about the GOP.

Also, I like the fact that she is at the end of her career. She will be focused on her legacy and what good works she can leave behind. She also has the best chance of winning because both Bill and Barack will be bring unprecedented amounts of money and attention to her campaign.

Last but not least, Hillary represents the best chance of me seeing us elect the first female POTUS in the history of the country, in my life time. I'm a man and I want my daughter to see us elect a woman President. This is something I personally am willing to put everything I have into. I suspect I'm not alone in how I feel about this.


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  •  I really hope she doesn't run (19+ / 0-)

    If she did and won the primary, I would gladly support her. But we have a lot of fresh faces in the party. I think the Clintons are good people, but I don't really want another Clinton presidency.

    And remember that a lot of younger voters aren't as warm and fuzzy about the Clintons as others may be. The nineties were a long time ago.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 11:21:42 AM PST

  •  She'd Be Great (1+ / 0-)
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    I really want her to run, but she needs a very good rest before she embarks - and they'll start to run in a year and a half.

    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

    by dpc on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 11:22:14 AM PST

  •  It's too early (11+ / 0-)

    to be talking about 2016. In early 2005, the word was that George Allen was the GOP frontrunner for 2008.

    "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

    by randomfacts on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 11:27:32 AM PST

  •  I, too, was a strong supporter in 08, but (7+ / 0-)

    I see no need to make negative comparisons to Obama's first term.  We have no idea about what would or would not have happened had Hillary won.  At the time, I believed she was the far better choice, but that is just so much water under the bridge.  Right now, we have a second term Obama presidency and I am very proud of this president for all sorts of reasons.

    As to your point about 2016, I say "Yeah, Bring Her On!"

    I think she would be superb.  

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 11:33:29 AM PST

  •  Elect a women, because she's a women? (3+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, Chi, LaurenMonica

    You were doing fine until your last paragraph.

    The Democratic party is a broad coalition of many different groups with varied interests, but who have enough in common that by electing a Democrat we all get a good deal of what most of us want.

    It would be a huge mistake for any one of the many groups to start supporting and fighting for people simply because they are a member of their group.  This would be extremely divisive and could start handing elections to the Republicans, and the whole country will suffer.

    The Republicans had to choose the least crappy of a whole bunch of crappy candidates in their primaries.  The Democrats usually have the opposite problem of trying to choose the best among a bunch of very good.  I would have been satisfied with almost any of the Dem candidates in 2008.

    We will most likely have a fine collection of candidates in 2016 and the worst thing we could do is start picking candidates based on what part of our broad coalition they are from.

    •  "Woman". You elect A woman. Not "a women". (1+ / 0-)
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      Bobs Telecaster

      For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

      by Anne Elk on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 12:49:11 PM PST

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    •  I wish people weren't so miserly about the idea of (8+ / 0-)

      a woman President.

      We didn't vote for Obama because he was black, but everyone understood the historical import of what happened. It was a wonderful affirmation of the idea that people of African descent really could aspire to what the rest of us can, even if some roadblocks remain.

      I wish people would extend that graciousness to the idea of a woman as President. In 2016, were she to run, she would be one of the most experienced people ever to stand for the office - having held cabinet positions, a spot in the senate, served as an inquiry lawyer, and even been a first lady.  People would not - Palin style - be voting for her because of her X chromosomes.

      But understand that more than half our population have never  - not once in 44 tries - seen anyone like them hold the office.

      it is overdue, and we should all be charitably disposed to the idea that the same hope this extended to African Americans that their sons might aspire to this office, a woman President would do the  same for our country's female majority.

      Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

      by Bobs Telecaster on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 01:40:14 PM PST

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    •  It is TIME (1+ / 0-)
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      Women represent at least 50% of the electorate.  There IS a woman qualified to be President and it IS time for women to get one of the twenty five turns or so that we were skipped.



      It is patently unfair, and large portions of the population have been patently NOT represented, because we have NOT allowed a variety of our electorate to represent us at our highest levels.  It is time to acknowledge that fact and MAKE AN EFFORT to right that injustice.  

      So, yes, elect a QUALIFIED woman to be president.

      It is TIME.

      •  No one who voted to butcher 150k to 1 million (0+ / 0-)

        Iraqis is qualified to be President.

        No one who voted to limit bankruptcy protection for the most vulnerable is qualified to be President.

        No matter how many positions a person has held, when their judgment is proven to be shit, they're not qualified.

        "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

        by JesseCW on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 04:20:41 PM PST

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        •  I said "qualified" (0+ / 0-)

          I don't have any argument with objections to someone who, in your judgment, is not "qualified", but you should STILL be looking for one of the many qualified woman to elect as president.

          IT IS TIME !!!!!!

          There are no more excuses.

          •  Looking? You don't have to look. There are (0+ / 0-)

            literally dozens of women qualified to be President.

            Unfortunately, one of the qualifications for being any good at the job is having enough integrity that you'll never raise enough money to win the race (regardless of gender).

            "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

            by JesseCW on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 01:49:51 AM PST

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    •  Hillary is not "a woman" (1+ / 0-)
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      Blue Jean

      She is an eminently qualified, extremely intelligent, charismatic, public servant who would make an excellent president.

      However, even if we did want to elect "a woman," would that be so wrong?  

      When is going to be our turn?  We support Democratic men all of the time.  When is the party going to put its weight behind a superior, intelligent qualified woman?

      •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

        Sometimes I get sick of this "But hey, tsk, what about just electing the best person?" holier than thou argument, as if the person saying it is not even aware of the incredibly troubled history (and present) women have had to endure due to the continuous and brutal oppression by men. Voting a non-qualified woman into office? No, thanks. (Though there are about a hundred times as many lousy, good-good-for-nothing male politicians out there for one mediocre woman - but our gender makes up 51% of the whole population!). Voting an incredibly qualified woman into office? What the hell are people even complaining about?

        There's a saying that it's easy to call yourself the opposite of a racist, to think and say that you're the better person because you're "colorblind" - as long as you are not of color. I think the same idea can be applied to gender relations as well.

  •  I suppose we won't really know if HRC will run (1+ / 0-)
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    or not until 2014.   If she does, and becomes the nominee, I would support her.   The voters know enough about her to support her in a general election and overall she is a great candidate

    However, Hillary's support of the War of Iraq and the fact that she had a lot of the DLC types as part of her '08 campaign makes me wonder if she would try to find a "Third Way" by doing things mostly the Republican.   The Clinton's past opposition to marriage equality and Hillary's unclear present stance on that could undermine the progress that has been made.

    I am sort of hoping that Hillary doesn't run so Senator Kirsten Gillibrand could.   Gillibrand would be a strong candidate, and she would be progressive enough for netroots.  

    But 2016 should give us some great candidates:  Biden(if he runs), Clinton(if she runs), Schweitzer, Patrick(if he wants to run)

  •  Well (6+ / 0-)
    My point is that I want someone in the POTUS job who is not going to lose huge chunks of time trying to figure out who the Rs are and how to beat them.
    The implication being that Obama hadn't met this prerequisite, correct?
    No one on the planet has taken more shit from the GOP in that last 20 years than Hillary. She has no illusions about the GOP.
    I'm not so sure Obama hasn't taken 20 years worth of shit compressed into four.

    Too bad we can't just skip to 2016 right now! I can't help but be curious about the all Hillary 2016 talk, so soon after this last election.

    The default is currently set to: she's not running.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 11:48:00 AM PST

  •  hmmm, you had an opportunity (6+ / 0-)

    to make an argument that was wasted by unnecessary attacks against Obama.

    Having said that, I would gladly support Hillary in 16 as I think she'd make a fine President.

  •  She's earned it but (4+ / 0-)
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    BoiseBlue, Chi, gosoxataboy, askew

    I probably will vote for someone else in the primary.

    She's been a logyal solder and a very good diplomat.  She's qualified and likeable (enough) and if we were like the Republicans, she would be "next in line" and certain of the nomination.

    But she does represent the past.  And the idea of a Clinton vs. (Jeb) Bush campaign fills me with a certain sense of dread.  (Not that I have any doubt as to who I would vote for in such a contest.)

    I hope there is a credible alternative to the left of Hillary.  To be specific I hope we have someone run on a platform of radically changing the nation's "drug war" into something more like a drug policy.

    And someone willing to say that our military is too damn big.  

    Maybe Hillary will do these things herself.  I'm open to the idea.  But I think she's a pragmatist and she knows she has the inside track no matter who else runs.  So she'll run a cautious, timid primary campaign.  And that will not inspire much enthusiasm from me.

    "Unrestricted immigration is a dangerous thing -- look at what happened to the Iroquois." Garrison Keillor

    by Spider Stumbled on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 11:58:59 AM PST

  •  And what are you going to do (10+ / 0-)

    When she sticks to her word and doesn't run?

    Can we please give the talk of 16 a rest at least unil 13

    And just so we are all clear on one thing, Hillary is not a progressive by any stretch of the imagination.

    The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

    by jsfox on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 12:25:47 PM PST

  •  Way too early for diaries like this (5+ / 0-)

    President Obama just got re-elected. Can he at least begin his second term before we start talking about who should replace him?

    I hope Hillary runs and I would probably support her, but I feel that it is just too early to be focused on this.

    I do understand how you feel about wanting your daughter to see the first woman president, though. I just wrote a diary yesterday about how grateful I am that my grandmother, who was active in the civil rights movement as a young adult, lived long enough to see Obama's first election as president, something she never thought she would see in her lifetime.

  •  OK, can we allow Hillary (6+ / 0-)

    to get some rest PLEASE?

    I honestly do want Hillary Clinton to be the 45th President of the United States but she has said that she needs her rest.

    And she's earned that rest that she wants.

  •  Not the dream of this woman. I dont mind Hilary (6+ / 0-)

    Clinton when she is far away from politics like right now as Secretary of State. When she is involved in politics with her entourage (Mark Penn, Carville, McAulife... etc) they bring too much negativity and drama. Just remember it was Mark Penn who brought this birther crap mainstream with Hilary's blessings I guess.

    She is a great Secretary of State but I doubt she would make a great candidate for 2016.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 12:39:44 PM PST

  •  well let us not forget she would be 69 (2+ / 0-)
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    gosoxataboy, karma13612

    I cannot imagine the toll it takes to campaign all over the place and one saw how much Barack has aged and how much all the presidents (Clinton, Bush etc) were after 8 years. The constant flying and speeches and energy needed might be too much for someone who will be close to 70. I mean if she wants it fine but she just might want to retire and not deal with all the hassles of running. I supported Obama from the start but she has grown on me over the last 4 years. But let us not forget her campaign with Penn wasnt one for the ages either. She tends to surround herself by people who are a bit questionable.

  •  I like Hillary, but I didn't support her in 08... (2+ / 0-)
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    JesseCW, karma13612

    and likely won't support her in 2016 unless she ends up being the nominee. Right now I'm concentrating on supporting progressives candidates for 2014. Who knows what will happen in 4 years, but I don't believe that Hillary is heir apparent.

  •  Hillary is retiring (3+ / 0-)

    She's retiring at the end of this year.  She's not running for anything anymore.

  •  Hillary is great Secretary of State. (3+ / 0-)

    As for everything else you've said -

    lol mouse-has-atiny-french-horn

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    by jan4insight on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 02:54:32 PM PST

  •  I don't get this.... (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary lost a 51-49 decision in 2008, running a strong campaign, but got done in because she didn't organize in the caucuses.  Was there EVER a better DEM candidate who did not win the nomination?  She was strong where Obama was weak and vice versa.  Nominaing Hillary expands the base, and make for another historic election 4 years from now.

    I was a big Obama backer in 2008, but I think that Hillary would be a phenomenal candidate/President in 2016.  Obviously it is 4 years away,

    It is ironic that 4 years ago everyone (perhaps not everyone) was writing about that one candidate runs in 2008, the other in 2016.  Now, some are saying, I want someone new/else.

    •  Perhaps not everyone, as you said. (0+ / 0-)

      I am hoping for fresh talent. I think younger voters are going to look at any Clinton candidate as a dynasty-in-the-making.

      But, I respect the wonderful work that SoS Clinton has done these last 4 years.

      If I may also point out that she has begun to look a bit warn out. They say that the office of President will age a person fairly quickly. I regretfully have to agree that Obama is looking pretty warn out himself and I hope that he can have some rest before going headlong into the final four years.

      Hillary looks totally beat. And remember that she will be 4 years older still, and faced with, I believe, an even more challenging position of President than she just had as SoS.

      I do remember comments and beliefs that Obama would run in 08, and Hillary in '16. But, I didn't think any of it was carved in stone.  

      I nominate Susan Rice for Secretary of State!

      by karma13612 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:59:42 PM PST

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  •  I don't have any problem with Hillary but can (0+ / 0-)

    we wait until she announces whether she's running? Right now it looks like she won't be.

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