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But apparently, you can be a teacher and make stupid statements like that one...

"....This story comes out of Kentucky where a  South Laurel High School teacher, Ms. Kendra Baker wrote on the top of her school board all nice and pur-ty, “You can’t be a democrat & go to heaven.”

Now, Superintendent Doug Bennett  told the Sentinel- Echo that the statement was made by a student & then the teacher wrote it on the board and that it was innocent.

“It should not be in the classroom at all,” says Mary Gilbert, a parent of a South Laurel Student who claims that she was bullied after trying to combat the statement in class. Gilbert fears that even the teacher may have been bullying her daughter as well as the other students. “What happened, should not have happened…. You don’t send them to school to have someone else’s opinion shoved down their throat and demand they agree with it. It’s appalling. it’s wrong.” Gilbert went on to say that her daughter is now requesting that she no longer attend the school and wants to attend Home School.

Upon investigation, district officials found the the teacher in violation of a district policy that charges teachers with the responsibility to maintain positive learning environments that are fostered by mutual respect and trust. Bennett says that Baker, who has been a high school teacher for 17 years, was reprimanded for her actions, but will continue teaching in her classroom......"

This is by far one of the more annoying aspects of our political environment, and I don't just mean in regards to here in Kentucky. This notion that somehow, the discriminatory, bigoted and misogynistic GOP has the patent on morality in any form, especially religious. What, you can tell the uninsured "should have been more responsible, so just die already" and the hungry "tough luck, we can't afford that, we got CEOs to keep up", and still think you can have some touch of morality to those views?

Wonder what gems of knowledge this high school teacher will unload for the next election cycle.

More on this:

Via HuffPo.

Via The Inquisitr.

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  •  She should have lost her job. Her attitude is in (11+ / 0-)

    direct conflict with "teacher."

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:27:19 AM PST

    •  Agreed, but instead here she gets... (4+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR, Munchkn, slowbutsure, splashy

      A slap on the wrist for the statement and the bullying of a student who contested the statement. I can't say I blame her for wanting to be home-schooled if that is what she has to deal with. Probably be better for her anyway considering....

      •  Many kids in my area (2+ / 0-)
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        ekyprogressive, AnnieR

        Are home schooled for just this kind of thing. The local schools are run by religious folks that believe in corporal punishment, and there are quite a few more liberal parents that home school because of it.

        Not all home schooled children are taught right wing religious stuff.

        Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

        by splashy on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 11:04:13 AM PST

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    •  You can't completely keep religion totally out of (4+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR, Gooserock, Munchkn, slowbutsure

      school culture, and I don't think that should be the goal, partly because it causes a backlash and more proselytizing  than you would have if people were just able to express their religious opinion.
      However, if the teacher bullied, instigated bullying, or encouraged or enabled bullying, that's different.

      The teacher should not use her position to abuse the power relations with students, in this case as well as in cases of sexual harassment. There's not much difference, on the verbal level.

      Beyond that, whoever's this teacher's preacher should be ashamed because what she is doing is specificially against the teachings of Christ and is explicitly called out by Christ as wrong.  

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00:07 PM PST

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      •  Actually, I wasn't looking at it from a religious (2+ / 0-)
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        standpoint, but thanks for pointing that out.  It opens up my thought process.  I was thinking more along the lines of "a mind is a terrible thing to waste," or teaching opens a child's mind to possibilities.  And for that I think this woman, as a teacher, sucks, when it's only her point of view without any of the possibilities - same old rightwing propaganda that we've been subjected to for decades now.

        "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

        by AnnieR on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:05:53 PM PST

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      •  It's Not Only Religion, It's Politicking. (9+ / 0-)

        The statement ties politics to a religious assertion about life outcomes. The statement itself is an abuse of power.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:09:14 PM PST

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        •  When I presented leftist historical (1+ / 0-)
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          interpretations was I abusing my power?

          A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

          by slatsg on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:44:15 PM PST

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          •  Could you back up the facts behind your (1+ / 0-)
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            interpretation? Were you transparent about your view being an interpretation?
            Did you allow and solicit debate, discourse, disagreement?
            Etc.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:52:09 PM PST

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            •  Sure (1+ / 0-)
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              David54

              I was rather open about not presenting "court history", but everyone had the opportunity to have their say as long as it was done respectfully.

              If the teacher in question was proselytizing and not allowing opposing viewpoints, then she should be reprimanded, but not terminated.  

              The nonsense about "not following the prescribed curriculum" doesn't impress me. With the coming of the common core, our educational system is becoming more sanitized and sterilized.

              A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

              by slatsg on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:23:54 PM PST

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              •  I think atheists and other 1st amendment purists (1+ / 0-)
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                would be happier if they allowed some discussion of religion, as long as it wasn't the kind of bullying-proselytizing we see so much these days, which is a backlash against what they see as a "war on Christianity."

                When I was attending high school in the late 60's-early 70's, even though I went to a conservative school in a conservative town, relatively, I think there was more discussion of ideas than there is now, from what I can gather.
                How can we go back to a view of education that goes beyond the simple transmission of "certain minimum levels of non-controversial data" which education has become, to some point.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:38:24 PM PST

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        •  I agree to that, pretty much. I'm not defending (0+ / 0-)

          this teacher. As a statement that will be believed on face value by teenagers, I doubt it has much force. As bullying, it has more.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:49:15 PM PST

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      •  Developmentally, elementary school kids (0+ / 0-)

        are not ready for any discussion of religion.  In middle school, they are ready to have different belief systems taught, but not discussed in a compare and contrast way.  By high school, they should be independent enough to discuss religion.

        In CA public high schools, any displays of politics need to show both sides equally, and yes, they check.

        ...Son, those Elephants always look out for themselves. If you happen to get a crumb or two from their policies, it's a complete coincidence. -Malharden's Dad

        by slowbutsure on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:30:54 PM PST

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        •  In a lot of communities, you might see your (0+ / 0-)

          teacher at church, or they might go to the Baptist church across town, or they may be totally disgusted with church. Likewise other students. So even if you don't have formal discussions of religion, the broader social discourse is going to occur.
          Period.
          I stopped going to church when I was 12. I wasn't interested in listening to anyone who would have said:

          Developmentally, elementary school kids are not ready for any discussion of religion.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:58:13 PM PST

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    •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)
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      What she did was wrong, but hardly grounds for termination; and her error was the possible accepting of bully tactics rather than the presentation of a possibly controversial political viewpoint.

      I am a socialist in a conservatively-oriented town. My left wing slant is well known. In my history classes, for example, unions were presented in a positive light and union heroes and martyrs given equal billing with the Washingtons and Lincolns. Just because a right-winger might object doesn't mean I should have been fired.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:42:08 PM PST

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  •  Well, I'd have to know more about the situation. (3+ / 0-)
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    Was she stating it as fact and part of the lesson? I would object to any lesson in a public school concerning the existance of heaven.

    What was the class? Was it an English class and they were diagramming sentences provided by the student? In that case, the structure was correct, it parses properly. It could be used as well as any other sentence, such as "There are vampires in my neighborhood." or some other nonsense.

    Was it a comparative thought exercise? Perhaps the teacher was using that as an example of a statement that needs to be debated on its premise.

    I'd have to know more before I reprimand the teacher.

    I am progressive. I am liberal. I make no apologies. - Kos

    My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

    by pucklady on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:32:00 AM PST

  •  Reminds me of Only Begotten Daughter (3+ / 0-)

    a fantasy by James Morrow (Details here).   God's deal with the Devil was that whomever anyone else thought belonged in hell, ended up there.  Which turned out to be everyone.

    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:34:20 AM PST

  •  It's a true statement (8+ / 0-)

    Since nobody is going to heaven because there is no such thing as heaven, it necessarily follows that democrats are not going to heaven.

    "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

    by Old Left Good Left on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:44:10 AM PST

  •  Context... (0+ / 0-)

    As in everything, context is very important.

    Perhaps this is a class in logic. Teacher asks a class to submit a question and then ask "Given what set of initial assumptions would the given statement be true? How would be set about proving the statement true/false?"

    Interestingly enough, under my own internal set of initial assumptions the given statement is a true statement. It might well also be a true statement if based on the initial assumption of a Radical Chistianist, but for very different reasons.

    Now, I have to take some exception to a statement made by the parent in the story:

    You don’t send them to school to have someone else’s opinion shoved down their throat and demand they agree with it.
    Nothing in the story supports that the student was being demanded to agree with the statement.

    We do in fact sends our children to school so that they will be exposed to a variety of opinions. Some we will agree with, others we won't.

    Anyway, back to context. The story as published lacks any reasonable level of context and as such I reserve any and all judgement.

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them - Thomas Jefferson 30 July, 1816

    by Roiling Snake Ball on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:52:15 AM PST

    •  Since this is High school, not college, I doubt (4+ / 0-)

      it was a course in "logic", especially since we are talking about Laurel county...LOL. That is south-central Kentucky, London area. That said, I am hard pressed to find a "context" in which such a statement would be "acceptable" in public schools, much less allowing other students who protested such statements to get bullied by other students and (according to the student) the teacher.

      Per the Huffpo link...

      "...Gilbert says that her daughter was ridiculed for trying to defend other students in the class, and no longer wants to go back to school, now opting to be home schooled. The mother says that the teen was subject to name calling and bullying, and she believes that her daughter was bullied by the teacher.

      Upon investigation, district officials found the the teacher in violation of a district policy that charges teachers with the responsibility to maintain positive learning environments that are fostered by mutual respect and trust. Bennett says that Baker, who has been a high school teacher for 17 years, was reprimanded for her actions, but will continue teaching in her classroom..."

      So clearly she acted against school policy, per their investigation into the incident.

    •  I think we've got a good idea... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...what the intention was.  This is Kentucky after all.  They've been on probation for being dumb asses for a long time.

      Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power -- Benito Mussolini

      by drcraigphd on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:00:20 PM PST

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  •  Of course... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...the correct statement is that you can't be a thieving, lying, hateful, bigoted, selfish Republican and go to heaven.  I wonder what would have happened to the teacher if she had replaced "Democrat" with "Republican" on the board?

    Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power -- Benito Mussolini

    by drcraigphd on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:55:45 AM PST

  •  Dang! (0+ / 0-)

    Where are the neo-Confederates when you need them?

    Jefferson Davis was a Democrat his entire life. Therefore, according to this scalawag of a teacher with the dark heart of a Yankee, the finest Democrat ever to head up a states-rights confederacy the world has ever seen is not going to heaven??? Really?

    Time to wave a flag....or pray... or whistle "Dixie"... or vote against Obamacare... or something.

    Shalom.

    "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

    by WineRev on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:58:18 AM PST

    •  I would think that ole Jeff Davis was a Democrat (0+ / 0-)

      up to the point that he renounced his US citizenship.  Can you be a member of a US political party if you are not a US citizen?  Davis made a point of addressing crowds in the 1880's when the efforts were made to rehabilitate his image by saying that he could not call them "my fellow citizens" since he was not a citizen of the US and would not take the oath to regain his citizenship.  

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:24:19 PM PST

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      •  I would take that (1+ / 0-)
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        llywrch

        as evidence that he was a) a Democrat up until 1861, and b) NOT a Republican for the rest of his life. Therefore Democrat + 0 = Democrat, since he (to my knowledge) never denounced or resigned from the Democratic party. There is no evidence he ever considered joining the Party of Lincoln either, so I would still hold if the KY teacher is correct there is STILL no Pearly Gates for old Jeff.

        Shalom.

        "God has given wine to gladden the hearts of people." Psalm 104:15

        by WineRev on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 01:43:58 PM PST

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  •  The statement is, of course, 100% correct. (0+ / 0-)

    You can't be a human of any sort and go to Heaven.  I assume the teacher was merely demonstrating syllogistic reasoning.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:07:46 PM PST

  •  This same crap went on in my HS, (3+ / 0-)
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    ESPECIALLY regarding religious tolerance.  I mean, don't we separate church and state?  It was totally cool for students to carry their Bibles to class and use school property for Bible study, but then one girl wore a necklace described as a "Wiccan charm" one day and gets suspended for five days.  Are you kidding me?  At least make it fair and either allow all religions, or none at all.  I'd prefer none at all but I get that I'm a minority in that so I'll fight for equality instead.  Geez.

  •  I thought old Jesus woulda PUKED if he could (2+ / 0-)
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    have seen it.

  •  I'm an atheist, so her point is? (2+ / 0-)
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    I used to get comments like this in grade school, to which my retort was that it didn't apply to nonbelievers, and even if it did, spending eternity with people like that would be my idea of Hell.  

    If I had the time, I would press on with a theory that Hell was a nightclub, given that the Devil has the best tunes and that everyone at all interesting was going there.   I'd say that I had a table reserved for me and my friends, which would horrify the fundie kids to the point that they would go away dumbstruck.  {chortle} I imagined something out of film noir, with music, dancing, glamorous people in fabulous outfits drinking alcohol and eating fancy food, high-stakes gambling, mobsters, and moral ambiguity galore.  

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold...The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity" -W.B. Yeats

    by LucyandByron on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:35:15 PM PST

  •  Well this teacher ain't going to heaven (0+ / 0-)

    Cause I had a revelation from God telling me that.

    And anyone who doesn't believe I'm telling the truth is going to hell. So there.

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