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President Barack Obama and House Republican Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) gesture while Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) look on during a meeting of bipartisan leaders of the House and Senate to d
President Obama is in the catbird seat in the next round of negotiations.
This is a wholly expected trend. First, Pew found that the majority of Americans will blame the Republicans for what they see as the likely failure of fiscal cliff curb negotiations. In the Pew poll, it was a 53 percent majority. In a new CNN poll released today, that 53 percent has an unfavorable view of Republicans, though fewer of them, 45 percent, believe it's all going to be the GOP's if the talks fail.

There's some confusion at work in the public, if this CNN poll is to be believed. On the one hand, "seven in ten say the GOP has not done enough to cooperate with Obama." And yet, "nearly half say [Obama] is not doing enough to cooperate with the Republicans, although seven in ten want him to compromise with the GOP even if he has to sacrifice some of his beliefs."

But there's one thing that's remained remarkably consistent. At least among the public, there's strong bipartisan support for tax increases being part of the mix in deal making, and for making the wealthy pay up.

Democrats questioned in the survey overwhelmingly support an agreement that has both, and six out of ten independents feel the same way. By a 52%-44% margin, Republicans also favor a mixture of spending cuts and tax increases instead of a deal that only includes spending cuts.

As for the sticking point between the parties over an increase in taxes for the wealthiest Americans, 56% say taxes on wealthy people should be kept high so the government can use their money for programs to help lower-income people, with 36% saying taxes on such high earners should be kept low because they invest their money in the private sector and that helps the economy and creates jobs.

If you need ever more evidence of a mandate than the election for President Obama's goal of raising taxes on the wealthy, well, here you go.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:07 PM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  The Republicans seem to have forgotten (49+ / 0-)

    that an election just took place and that they lost.

    Isn't it the GOP who constantly reminds us that elections have consequences (Dubya's "political capital" and all of that)?

    •  You know the Rules of the Village (44+ / 0-)

      Republicans get mandates.
      Democrats get to clean up after Republicans.

      And those elephants leave a ton of shit on the roads when they go by.

      To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

      by ontheleftcoast on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:11:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The Democrats also have the great advantage (15+ / 0-)

      that their proposals are popular while the things the Republicans want are not.
         Large majorities are in favor of restoring the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy while extending them for the Middle Class.
         Large majorities favor leaving Social Security and Medicare alone, though savings achieved through holding down health care costs such as negotiating prices for prescription drugs would be universally acceptable.

         If the Democrats hold fast to these positions, they'll be fine with the Public if no deal is achieved before the end of the year when their hand gets a whole lot stronger.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 04:42:09 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  As one commentator said, "2012 proves that if... (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        cocinero, opinionated, eps62, elwior

        ... Democrats run on their positions, they will win." And we will continue to win when - but only if and when - elected Democrats vote like Democrats.

        (That said, there must be room for compromise. Even though we won in 2012 - and darn near ran the table! - compromising it is necessary to govern.)

        So there needs to be bottom lines. These seem to be:

        1. Maintain the "middle class" tax cuts and probably the payroll tax cut. Increase the top brackets. No compromise on that. The public voted on that in 2012. Honest opinion polls confirm that was one of the two or three big issues.

        2. Do not touch Social Security.  As the leaders have been saying, SS is not a problem in the near enough future. We have many closer problems to solve.

        3. As for Medicare, be very, very careful. It's here the President probably has to give some inches. However, Obamacare is getting closer. (Oh, were it effective in 2013!) That will have an impact on medical costs, probably a helpful one although adjustments will surely have  to be made and big payoffs are down the road.

        As for tax reform: great idea, GOP. You still have the House, which has to initiate revenue measures. So, initiate, have hearings, duck the fire from those who claim their oxen will be gored, and pass something meaningful.

        Counsel with the Senate Democrats and the President along the way, but remember - massive big-number tax reform proposals have been your core campaign and now, your own bargaining idea, so you own it! No blaming Democrats if you can't get meaningful reform through the chamber you control. Then, after we see and assess the result, we can talk about adjustments in rates. Not before.

        In short ... Put your money - not ours! - where your mouth is.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House.

        by TRPChicago on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:52:58 AM PST

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        •  If compromise is necessary, then we should (7+ / 0-)

          be opening with our boldest demands and settling for our "pragmatic" targets. Our representatives ALWAYS ask for what they think they can get and then accept far less.

          The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries.

          by Words In Action on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:07:50 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  This is quite mad! (2+ / 0-)
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          We're supposed to be "happy" about cutting Medicare so that we can buy private insurance from giant insurance companies that costs more and is less efficient?

          Why is that being billed as a "cost cutting measure"? The more you privatize Medicare, the HIGHER the costs of health care go! NOT lower!

          That's because Medicare cuts out the insurance companies and is administered by federal bureaucrats who get gov't wages -- not millions of dollars for the top CEOs!

          And it doesn't have to make a profit, so there's no need to justify itself to Wall Street.

          The ONLY reason to push back the age of Medicare is so the vicious greedheads in the insurance industry can get their profit taking hands on Medicare funds!

          •  No, I'm not for "cutting Medicare" or privatizing (1+ / 0-)
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            ... it.

            And No, there's no way I want insurance companies to benefit. Heck, even they don't want the burden of the by-definition higher-cost Medicare patients. They want the basic costs covered by government, and then they'll skim the niches as they do now. Romney/Ryan would have voucherized Medicare. The public clearly voted against that in 2012. Issue on that over. But ...

            Medicare simply cannot survive funded as it is. We do have other priorities in the nation. (I write this as a Medicare recipient, with kids who are not that far from eligibility, either!)

            This is an issue to deal with smartly, not to be knee-jerk about.

            2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House.

            by TRPChicago on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 01:41:32 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  BTY, the commentator was Alicia Menendez ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... and she said it as a guest on MSNBC shortly after the election.

          The precise quote, as I wrote it down at the time, is:
          "Democrats should learn that when you run on your policies, you win."
          Her father is Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ).

          2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House.

          by TRPChicago on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:13:20 PM PST

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    •  Question is, will the Democrats remember that. (1+ / 0-)
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      Or will they continue to negotiate as from weakness?

      ------
      Ideology is when you have the answers before you know the questions.
      It is what grows into empty spaces where intelligence has died.

      by Alden on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:10:49 AM PST

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    •  An election just took place and (2+ / 0-)
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      most of the House Republicans were re-elected. They feel that their constituents rewarded them for being obstructionist A-holes.

    •  Republicans never lose because they never quit. (0+ / 0-)

      They politics like football. Even on defense, you fight like hell to disrupt the other team's plays and try to force a fumble.

      Democrats tend to play politics like baseball... "it's our turn at bat now, gentlemen, not yours".

      Who wins when you put baseball players and football players on the same field?

      Have you noticed?
      Politicians who promise LESS government
      only deliver BAD government.

      by jjohnjj on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:54:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Can we stop calling it by their effed up framing? (30+ / 0-)

    It's not a "fiscal cliff", it's more like a "fiscal speed bump". Yes, there will be folks hurt by it, no doubt. But it's not Wile E. Coyote time for the government either. Why the hell do Republicans and their proxies get to set all the memes?

    To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

    by ontheleftcoast on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:13:24 PM PST

  •  Since the default result for talks failing ... (11+ / 0-)

    ... is that spending cuts and tax increases go into effect automatically if the Congress and President Obama can't work out their differences, Rethuglicans have little room to bargain here. Although I'm sure Obama doesn't want the spending cuts to hurt middle-class and poor Americans, the G.O.P. seems desperate to avoid a tax hike at all costs. That gives the president additional leverage in these negotiations because their incentive to compromise is greater than his. The only reason I can see for Obama to budge at all is if he feels the sequestration would hurt the economic recovery more than he is willing to give up as part of the so-called elusive "grand bargain."

    •  The sequestration is a fairly simple fix. (7+ / 0-)

       All that's needed is for the envisioned cuts to be made in a planned manner rather than across-the-board.
         The expiration of the tax cuts is easy too. Let them expire, and then simply pass the cuts for income under $250 Thousand.
         The fiscal "cliff" then disappears, and long-term deficits are cut by $2 Trillion.
         With another $600 Billion in revenues, and twice that amount in budget cuts to be negotiated, and begun in the next fiscal year, the deficit reduction goals could be achieved without doing any real harm.
         Both sides should be happy with that.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 04:58:05 PM PST

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      •  The GOP is really powerless to stop the first (5+ / 0-)

        round from happening, unless they want full blame for raising taxes on the middle class, and for instituting a regime of damaging cuts to defense and discretionary-funded programs alike.
           Part 2 is not so automatic, but the Democrats should accept no further cuts to domestic programs without ample revenue increases.
            Compromise is just what it says, and increased taxes on the uber-wealthy is a lot more popular with the People than anything the Republicans want.
            A two-to-one ratio of cuts to revenues is more than fair, and ought to be a bottom-line position, meaning we really ought to be starting with a one-for-one proposal.
           If no agreement can be achieved over time, this would be an excellent issue to take to the Electorate in 2014.

           The 2012 verdict has already been rendered (in our favor).

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:08:13 PM PST

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        •  Tipped! Except... (4+ / 0-)
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          there should be NO cuts, except to the military budget.

          "There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end they always fail. Always." -Gandhi

          by Grandma Susie on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:38:23 PM PST

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          •  There are some non-defense cuts that would (1+ / 0-)
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            be OK. Like the billions we pay the Oil Companies. And the billions we put into the failed War on Drugs every year. And all the tomfoolery at airports with the scanners and the molesters and all (does anyone think that a plane will be successfully hijacked ever again? When faced with the likelihood that these hijackers aren't planning on landing safely, passengers on the plane will take care of the problem as has happened every time it's been attempted after 9?11).

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:58:12 AM PST

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            •  More government waste - agri-business hand-outs, (0+ / 0-)

              ethanol mandates, the domestic spying industry. Another objective should be to make the red states pay their fair share and reduce their dependence on the federal government (snark).

  •  Make sure they are blamed (11+ / 0-)

    Make sure the Republicans do get blamed for it, by sending people to see the following video.  It makes the story obvious. I made it.  It is a scientific cartoon using the CBO budget graphs, and people like it.  The CBO graphs show that the thing to do is: leave entitlements alone for now, raise taxes slowly starting with Clinton rates on the top incomes, and use Obamacare and any other way to reduce long-term healthcare costs, because that will be reflected in Medicare costs.  It is easier to watch the video, than to read this description of it:
    http://www.youtube.com/...

    •  Good job (3+ / 0-)
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      Words In Action, DSPS owl, eps62

      I thought you did an excellent job on the graph video, but I have some questions:

      You seem to have left out of your spending totals payments on interest on the debt.  Why?  Doesn't this have an impact on total spending?

      Then there is the real issue:  the impact of tax rates on economic growth.  Republicans make the case, long shown to be false and recently shot down -- again -- by Warren Buffet, that low tax rates on the wealthy lead to increased investment.

      This is the real issue driving the current Washington debacle, and it is yet another case in which Democrats need to stop accepting Republican assumptions and return debate to the real world.

      The wealthy do not "invest" their wealth.  Either they squirrel it away in offshore accounts, removing that money from the general economy, or they put it in the gambling casino that the Wall Street system has become, with the same result.  Either way, the Republican program of using government to transfer wealth from the poor and middle class to the wealthy does not benefit economic growth; it hampers growth.  Real investment decisions do not depend on tax rates; they depend on the expectation of making a profitable return.  Which will not happen if a business has no customers, because more and more people are out of a job.

      So we see yet another example of Republicans turning the truth upside down, to add to these, among others:

      The Affordable Care Act does not add to the debt, it lowers the deficit.
      The deficit, and the debt, are not products of Democratic programs, but rather of the Republicans'.
      The party that uses government to transfer wealth from the productive sector of the population to an unproductive class dependent on handouts is the Republicans.
      And finally, most blatant of all, the idea that Obama is "divisive" and Republicans are bi-partisan.  This is so only if we define bi-partisan as expecting the other side to do what you tell them to; expecting to get everything you want, all the time; and assaulting your own ideas whenever the other sides accepts them.

      The only surprise in the polling is that at least SOME of the American population is waking up to reality.  For now.

      In Washington, whenever anyone does something wrong, everyone else gets punished.

      by Noziglia on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:01:33 AM PST

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    •  The question is, *who* will blame the Republicans? (1+ / 0-)
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      rhauenstein

      Given that all politics is local, if the people in the districts and states represented by Republicans agree with their hard-line position, then Republicans in Congress have no incentive to do anything but stick with that position. Why? Because that's what they anticipate will get them votes next election.

  •  You Paid for This! (5+ / 0-)
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    The continued posturing of the Right(wrong) party is to say that we need to cut entitlements AND that their attempt to appease their base in the short term is neither cute nor quaint.  It is a full force, no holds barred public display of wingnuttia entrer en scène that will give the troops something to coalesce around.

    They can't seem to fathom that continuing to beat the same drum, and pushing full-speed-forward on a losing narrative isn't going to work for them.

    Or, can they?

    Watch closely for the next few weeks.  Listen closely.  I know it hurts, but tune into the Entertainment News Channel that cannot be named and watch them start moderating their pissyness with the R Senators and Rep's that start speaking Nordquist blaspheme.

    They are going to cave.  It's up to the President to come out and say that everything is on the table, once again.  Yet he should back it up by mentioning that the Republican claim that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Benefits, etc. are NOT the entitlement to which the Republicans continually refer to them to be.  It is also up to the Senate Democratic office holders to do the same.

    You Paid For This!

    Say it!  Say it proud, say it loud!

    That is my bumper sticker for today.  And my prediction for this month.  

    Obama in 2012: Because There Might Not Be Much Left by 2016

    by funluvn1 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:41:37 PM PST

  •  Why fall for the trap of polls (8+ / 0-)

    The election is the best poll.The President won and his message was clear.Trying to buy into the narrative of polls is a diversion from the result of the election.The President has a mandate and does not need any CNN or Gallup or Whatever Polls. The MSM is trying to create another hype.In fact, they need first to adjust their polling to the new reality.

  •  i went to high school with cliff fiskel (3+ / 0-)
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    I've already forgotten who the Republican candidate was in 2012

    by memofromturner on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:02:03 PM PST

  •  Note: All CNN polls... (3+ / 0-)
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    have a sample size of R+23.

    •  CNN called the presidential race a toss-up or too (1+ / 0-)
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      close to call.
         And yet in the 12 swing states where the race was determined, the president carried 11 out of 12 states, by a 4 point margin, and almost 2 million votes.

         CNN misled us, or at least they tried to mislead those who knew better.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:15:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  This one doesn't feel right to me (0+ / 0-)

      Can we get someone to unskew it a bit?

      Mitt Romney is filthy rich. And if he lost all his money, he'd still be filthy.

      by frsbdg on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:08:41 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Good, then. Let's Not Make a Deal. (10+ / 0-)

    The only deals we should even consider making are ones that would extend unemployment benefits, since that actually is an urgent matter that will hurt people if it's not dealt with by the end of the year.

    As for everything else, I'm with Krugman: Let's Not Make a Deal.

    Code Monkey like freedom / Code Monkey like peace and justice too
    Code Monkey very nerdy man / With big warm fuzzy bleeding heart
    Code Monkey like you!

    Formerly known as Jyrinx.

    by Code Monkey on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:11:38 PM PST

  •  Good news for McCain! (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, elwior

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:16:32 PM PST

    •  If we trade cuts to the safety net (1+ / 0-)
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      eps62

      to offset the tax pain to the rich, then yeah, it actually will be. Republicans will instantly be in a better position for 2014.

      The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries.

      by Words In Action on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:12:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Yet the question remains (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elwior

    Does reaching a deal = success or failure?

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:38:36 PM PST

  •  Just heard on (8+ / 0-)

    CBS News Democrat Mark Warner who is part of the gang of eight, spew Republican Talking points on Social Security.  He said that Social Security needs to be addressed in the budget talks because people are living longer.

    He forgets that back when Reagan was president SS taxes were doubled to take care of people living longer. Currently it is the wealthier that are living longer. Social Security is not adding to the deficit. If they want additional revenues then the caps should then be raised from $110k.

  •  Caption for the included photo (2+ / 0-)
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    Obama: "John, shut the *&%@ up, the 47% voted for Willard."

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:51:53 PM PST

  •  Tea Party Republicans will ignore the CNN poll (0+ / 0-)

    Where is the FOX lie-poll when they need it, to support their failed policies?

  •  One thing really heartens me in all this. (1+ / 0-)
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    eps62

    It is Obama's legacy in 4 years of not making promises he doesn't back up--no matter how formidable the odds against him.

    I've got my fingers crossed for this round.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:37:49 AM PST

  •  Those CNN polls are sooooo skewed! (0+ / 0-)

    Aren't they?

    "...pero mi corazón me aconseja, que los nacionalismos - ¡qué miedo me dan!" - Enrique Bunbury (El Extranjero)

    by JustGiaco on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:40:56 AM PST

  •  There is no confusion (0+ / 0-)

    From the diary:

    There's some confusion at work in the public, if this CNN poll is to be believed. On the one hand, "seven in ten say the GOP has not done enough to cooperate with Obama." And yet, "nearly half say [Obama] is not doing enough to cooperate with the Republicans, although seven in ten want him to compromise with the GOP even if he has to sacrifice some of his beliefs."
    This isn't confusion, this is just showing the worthlessness of polls on political subjects.  If you do a public poll, and the people are being polled on a political hot topic, you can guarantee that a) 30-40% of the people will be in favor of the Republican view, as they are Republicans, and b) 30-40% of the people will be in favor of the Democratic view, as they are Democrats.  The remainder of your results are going to come from people who are largely uninterested in current events, and are going to be most receptive to being swayed by emotional frames and sound bites.  Half the people think Obama is not doing enough to cooperate with Republicans?  Some large portion of that believes the President is a Kenyan radical socialist who won the election by giving away free phones.  Is it any surprise they think he hasn't compromised with their team enough?  

    Consider the ACA polling.  When you ask, are you in favor or opposed, it's a partisan split.  When you start drilling down into individual components that have not been publicly debated, gigantic consensus in favor of the components.  That's not confusing, that's exactly what you'd expect.  

  •  GOP......the 'Edsel' of political parties. (0+ / 0-)
  •  What Americans know is that (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Friend of the court, eps62

    Paying the bills is not socialism.
    Tax cuts do not pay for themselves.
    Investors will go for a profit no matter how high taxes are.
    Social Security does not cost one red cent of income tax money.
    Low tax rates for corporations and the wealthy are the entitlements, not the social safety net.

    "Now, people ask me all the time how we got four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one-word answer: Arithmetic. " Bill Clinton

    by Amayupta yo on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:46:27 AM PST

  •  name game (0+ / 0-)

    Dems need to "name" their plans better--how about--raising the fat cat tax rate?  How about eliminating the fat cat cap on FICA?  

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:48:45 AM PST

  •  This is because Obama keeps reaching out. (1+ / 0-)
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    I know there are many on the left who hate the fact that Obama keeps reaching out to Republicans, and they'd rather be entertained by fiery speeches attacking the other party. But, polls like this are the result of Obama making effort after effort.
    The American people are now seeing who's at fault. We can set aside the media's "both sides are doing it" cop-out.

  •  The "mandate" isn't the thing. (0+ / 0-)

    The thing is, this is a popular policy and Obama is forcing Republicans to own their support of tax cuts for the wealthy, even as they squeal about government waste.  The tax cuts for the wealthy haven't created more jobs.  And everyone knows that the budget cuts will be real, legit "job killers".  So now, the GOP has to call shenanigans on itself.

    Get in on The Action

    by Benintn on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:52:44 AM PST

  •  Time to move on (1+ / 0-)
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    Churchill

    Dick Morris and friends ought to be banished from TV after their sorry performance in predicting this election. The world of the vast right wing conspiracy and the Tea Party radicals driving the agenda of the Republican Party really is a fantasyland. Conservatives not only denied the accuracy of their "skewed" polls before the election, they are acting like nothing changed and that President Obama didn't "really"  twin a resounding landslide mandate earlier this month. American voters rejected the conservative agenda. Time to move on. -  pp

  •  can McCain&Graham stop Rice from being Sec St? (0+ / 0-)

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:54:52 AM PST

  •  can 2 Senators stop a cabinet nomination? (0+ / 0-)

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:55:09 AM PST

  •  IF Obama doesn't want to lead then he should leave (0+ / 0-)

    and let Vice Biden do this.  

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:02:59 AM PST

  •  President Cave-In is getting ready to do it again. (0+ / 0-)

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:03:17 AM PST

  •  And if the safety net is harmed, Democrats will be (1+ / 0-)
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    blamed. And it could be a hard thing to recover from before the midterms, particularly if we do not get effective filibuster reform and a working means of leveraging heavy, constant public pressure on the GOP Congress to ensure a steady flow of legislation to 1) strengthen the Middle Class and young voters/workers, 2) implement green technology programs, 3) reduce defense spending, etc., 4) reduce the impact of voter suppression (and gerrymandering) going forward.

    The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries.

    by Words In Action on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:04:24 AM PST

  •  Dems've got 'em by the balls but will they squeeze (2+ / 0-)
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    I'll believe it when I see it.

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    Ideology is when you have the answers before you know the questions.
    It is what grows into empty spaces where intelligence has died.

    by Alden on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:09:12 AM PST

    •  They managed to lose the public's faith (2+ / 0-)
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      by 2010. It's certainly possible they'll do so for 2014. And failing to squeeze now would be a strong step in that direction.

      The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries.

      by Words In Action on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:15:26 AM PST

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  •  Friendly Reminder to PO & Congressional Dems. (0+ / 0-)

    We need to keep reminding Dems. that our side holds all the cards in this negotiation.  Besides having the majority of the public on our side if there is no deal, we are also in a better position in 2013.

    For one, we can offer a tax cut for the first $250,00 of income without the linkage to > $250,000 tax extension and force Republicans into either passing it or come out against a tax cut bill.  Secondly, from an overall negotiation sense, we will have greater numbers of Dems. in the House and Senate in 2013, and hopefully have enacted filibuster reform, improving our negotiating position.

    So there is no reason for us to accept an even mildly shitty deal in 2012!

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:33:49 AM PST

  •  Republicans trying to take hostages again (1+ / 0-)
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    Election? What election? They are up to their same old tricks:

    Nice country you have here. Shame if anything were to happen to it.
    The "fiscal cliff" is an entirely political crisis, dreamed up by Republicans, so they can take hostages again. It has no basis in economic reality, or any other reality. It's an entirely inside-the-beltway, manufactured crisis.

    If Obama and the Democrats yield again to this transparent political terrorism, shame on all of them.

    “Americans are fighters. We're tough, resourceful and creative, and if we have the chance to fight on a level playing field, where everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot, then no one - no one - can stop us. ”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:51:19 AM PST

  •  There is no blame (0+ / 0-)

    The Congress and Executive have been failing us for decades.  

    There is no advantage.  There has not been a Federal Budget since 2009.  

    Shame on all.

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:52:42 AM PST

  •  Better framing on taxes would be... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... "taxes on wealthy people should be kept high so there'll be more money in paychecks than in hedge funds".

    Have you noticed?
    Politicians who promise LESS government
    only deliver BAD government.

    by jjohnjj on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 08:02:30 AM PST

  •  Truth in numbers (1+ / 0-)
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    Isn't it ironic that the billionaires can drop tens of millions in negative advertising to defeat the president in order to avoid a marginal tax increase of....4%?
    "Fiscal cliff" and "job creators" are as much b.s. as  Kenyan Muslim, unskewed polls and corporations are people my friend.  
    McConnell and Ryan keep trying to  say we can  fiddle with deductions a little and  create revenue without touching rates.  W. called this "fuzzy math", and  he was right, the numbers don't add up.
    Austerity is not working in Europe, it won't work here.  

  •  It's time to get our money back (1+ / 0-)
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    For over 30 years, the rich and the super rich have manipulated public policy to benefit themselves.  They've taken the greatest portion of the returns to work and they've been more than stingy in what they've let their stooges in Congress give to the workers who created the wealth.  It's long past time to put a stop to their scheming.  Tax, tax, tax and more tax.  Working Americans have to get their money back.

    Building a better America by hammering the Right

    by Joe Steel on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 08:18:47 AM PST

  •  Throw the bums out! (1+ / 0-)
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    What would be truly delicious would be to see a whole raft of recall elections in the districts whose Republican reps work to raise taxes on everyone, especially the poor.  You really think that would happen?  You don't suppose the damfools in their districts really LOVE these guys, do you?  Nah, didn't think so.  Otherwise they would vote for the other parties from time to time.

    While I'm at it, one more thing:  "...36% saying taxes on such high earners should be kept low because they invest their money in the private sector and that helps the economy and creates jobs."  Now just where are the wealthy fat cats creating those jobs?  In China and India!  The last time I looked, China and India aren't the United States.

    Go for it, Obama and Democrats!  Let those fat suckers feel the pain for once!

  •  please remember (0+ / 0-)

    to add 4-5% to just about any mainstream poll you see nowadays, since they routinely underestimate the progressive view by about that much. (case in point, with a couple of exceptions all the national trackers had a tie the day before the election, or Romney up 1, and Obama won by 4, not to mention that virtually every too close to call election went to the Dems.)  worst example of pro-GOP polling may have been the Mark Takano race in Riverside county, where no poll showed him up by more than 2% and he won by 19%

    So that means Americans support taxes on the wealthy by a 60-35 margin, not 56-35....

  •  BS (0+ / 0-)

    The whole debate is complete theatre.  The revenue increase proposed by Obama by "taxing the rich" (at best 80B) is a drop in the bucket compared to the hole we are in.  The Republicans are suggesting minor revenue increases, but only if we don't call them taxes - just BS of another form.  Both are playing politics.  Does anyone really believe in eanest that Barack Obama has any interest whatsoever in reducing the deficit?  He talks about compromise, but I have yet to seem him actually compromise on anything, ever.  It seems that throughout his life, he has never really demonstrated the ability to work in partnership with anyone in the political arena.  I have never seen him compromise on anything, with anyone, in the public arena.    He has no intention of compromising with anyone, just waiting for the right time to get his opponents to take the blame.  

    Perhaps there are those who cite a mandate.  To them I ask, is any "majority" opinion a "mandate?"  What if 60% of the population wants to murder 40% of the population - does that constitute an ethical imperative to actually do the unspeakable?  The current trajectory of our spending far exceeds our ability to generate revenue, and as such the scope of this pending fiscal disaster (regardless of how the can gets kicked down the road) involves devastating problems in number and severity.   To enter into such a fiscal mess is the most unethical thing we can do as a nation.  Unlike the small vision ethical issues that derail all of us by focusing on one group at a time, this fiscal mess will hurt every single one of us, and will destroy the world in which our children will languish.    

    Whatever our hot button issues are, we should all be able to rally around the fiscal crisis and keep leaders on both sides honest.  Right now, both sides are dead wrong.

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